Which is better

I would say that in my laptop i gained guite much with changing the original paste on GPU with IC7, it was pain in the to take it apart (P7811-FX). But the original paste was sand dry under the heatsink. It grubled to pieces when i lifted the heatsink. And at that point i had used my laptop for 4 months since i bought it from Best Buy. And one other thing, when i accessed my GPU, the outlet venthole of GPU Fan was almost blocked by dust. And i am a neat person , keep my entire living clean. Maybe that massive temperature gain from previous paste was little bit smaller and one of teh main villans here was the dust

Capper5016- is that T9900 wort upgrading, i mean from P8400 to T9900? How much performance you gain in games? I know that current P8400 holds 9800M GTS back a bit. But is that T9900 overkilll or just the right CPU ? And why do you undervolted it? From your sig.

 

I'm still doing some stress testing, but will put together a little write up when I'm done.

Using RMClock I'm kinda baffled right now. With the P8400, IDA was not available, and I lost the half multiplier. With the T9900, when I enable IDA the multiplier says x12 (The default T9900 is 11.5), and CPU-Z and everything else says 3.06GHz, which would mean the 11.5 multiplier is being used. Also, IDA is supposed to use one core and allow the other to rest when not needed, but under Orthos both cores are at 100% while using IDA......very strange.

As to performance so far (just my observation), the CPU is a great upgrade. I've got it undervolted to 1.075 @ x12 (IDA) and 1.025 @ x11, with the temps idling at 27C and jumping to 56C after an hour of Orthos.

Once I find the best stable voltages for each multiplier, I'll put it through my benchmarking suite and share the results.

 

Introducing myself - Andrew from Innovation Cooling

Capper5016 must like you people as he has recommended this forum for a IC Diamond giveaway. So if it is OK with the management we can do so.

Reading Over the posts it seems That this will be a smaller group than I usually encounter but more multiple components may be tested so my thinking is to offer 10-20 of the larger ICD24 tubes depending on the response. The gentleman's agreement here is that you post your test result with before and after test results in a reasonable time frame 30-60 days? in a separate results thread.

Register on this thread then send me a email [email protected] with your snail mail address and I will mail a sample of IC Diamond your way

Andrew

Innovation Cooling

 

Well I have a brand new p-7801u and have been considering applying ICD7. I use my machine for many applications all day/every day... regular office type stuff, video encoding, media center type stuff, and some gaming. I would be happy to be apart of this 'test group' and provide temp feedback.

I'll send you an email with the info you requested.

Thx.

 

raston -OK we are on a roll here we have 2 already

 

Well i have put IC7 on my P7811FX's GPU and CPU. Have yet not tried it on the Northbridge. I ran today Orthos ~1h.30min. And those are the results so far.


As you can see from the pictures the NB peaked at 67C and ran from there on around 65 C. So the magical number is to break that 65C, somehow i dont trust those peak numbers. It ran more than an hour on that 65C. So hope that IC7 will beat that.

I'll put this on my northbridge also, and see if those temps will be better compared to the current thermal pad.
Can i apply myself to that testgroup and get a sample of IC7 anway? Altough i already have owned it...? Running little low on that magical stuff after those tests

 

Sure - As long as I have the before and after results

 

And here it is:


And it is proven, IC7 is better than stock thermalpad in P7811-FX. 61C vs 65C. I refreshed the CPU paste also (temps also improved), removed the old IC7 (3 months used) used 90% alcohol to clean core and cooler. I had a little worries when i apllied the IC7 to my NB, because i added it first to CPU again and then to NB, but it ran out just tit before the amount i wanted to add it to NB. But i said to myself, it has to do! I was all out But as you can see it worked out just fine. But i need more IC7 now. And the darn thing is that i can't buy it locally here from Estonia. Last time i orded it from Germany. I hope IC Diamond can help me out here ?

 

great send me your address and Ill send you a tube next Monday. I am on the road this week so I will see you get it next week

Andrew

 

While I dont have my laptop at the moment, I would love to take part in this, it should be back within the month. Is this an offer only available to US residents?

 

Canada I'll Take it

 

Here are my NEW tests I conducted after applying IC DIAMOND 7 by replacing antec formula 5. MAX TEMPS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. (see pic)
THE LEFT BEFORE ICD7 -- RIGHT AFTER ICD7

 

Quick question.
I've seen a spike in my temperature for no apparent reason, could the reason possible be the paste has been destroyed?
Never thought about it until just now.

(For example, I use to get 70C on my gfx not overclocked, and now I'm atleast in the 90C if not higher)

 

Most thermal pastes have a liquid base, which over time can evaporate (Sometimes you'll hear people talk about a powdery residue). So yes, a thermal paste can lose effectiveness or be destroyed over time. If its very generic thermal compound, or poorly applied, that can have an affect to.

 

Does ICD7 lose consistency over time?

 

http://www.innovationcooling.com/Reliabilty1.htm

 

Hi,
I have a new P7801u and would like to participate in the trial. I emailed you already but could email you again if you need.

 

.I have been on the road all week and have to confess I am not much of a road warrior. In any event I will sort out the emails this weekend and ship on monday.

Andrew

 

I guess I'll give this a try.

I've gotten the NZXT to try and cool my lappy. It has, but I'm still seeing extremely high temps. (58 on my CPU, which it by far the highest it has ever been)

 

haha no rush if its free, take ur time

 

People should start getting their samples soon -

 

Awesome, I'll have my result up the day I get it probably.

The only problem is getting to the damned gfx. I basically took apart my laptop today trying to get to it (and the fan/heatsink in the top left corner) and after about an hour, and 3 guides, I gave up.

There are many guides to disassemble the FX, but none that go far enough to get to the gfx. I got to the point where I was afraid I would brake something if I went any farther, so I gave up.

 

Probably, you missed one hidden screw, uner the laptop and under the rubber feet cover. If you get that screw, its very easy to open the laptop. It snaps out from its lockings very easily, and you can push them back together with same ease. It took me 3 tryes, when i finally got it open. And another 3 tries when i got it back together. Always somethins was missing or left over

 

Thanks IC Diamond! Got may sample yesterday. Unfortunately going out of town this weekend so won't be able to try it until next week. Will post my findings. . .

 

Thank You IC_Diamod! I received today the IC Diamond paste you sent me. And i noticed you sent me the bigger tube- IC24, i had a smaller tube before. Im happy

 

lol your in estonia and yours beat mine! mine is gunna take a while lol..

 

lol, yeah thats weird. But he sent me the confirmation email 20'th of April. Thats 10 days ago. So it makes sense. It game with regular mail, and was in my mailbox with newspapers

 

Wow it seems that ICE diamond is better than arctic silver 5. I just sent him an email asking for a sample since I cant buy it here in Mexico.

 

Its better than AS5 for sure, because i have had both and IC7 beats AS5 hands down.

 

Will be getting my laptop within the next two weeks, hopefully I can still jump on the boat! Will send IC Diamond an email ASAP.

 

Well, I finally got around to Appling the ICD7 to my CPU, NB and GPU (and yes I just applied a good sized glob of the stuff, no shim added). This stuff works great and if you ask me a lot easier to apply then AS5 or MX-2 which is what I replaced. No need to spread it thin, just put down a good sized glob and squish it with the HS, couldn't be any easier.

Thanks IC Diamond for the sample!!!

Here are my results:

Before at 23c ambient with MX-2 under load with Ortho Small FFT’s
TZS0 Max: 54
TZS1 Max: 54
Core 0 Max: 33
Core 1 Max: 38
GPU Max: 42

After at 27c ambient with ICD7 under load with Ortho Small FFT’s
TZS0 Max: 56
TZS1 Max: 56
Core 0 Max: 35
Core 1 Max: 39
GPU Max: 46

Before at 23c ambient with MX-2 under load with Fuzzy Cube
TZS0 Max: 48
TZS1 Max: 47
Core 0 Max: 26
Core 1 Max: 32
GPU Max: 67

After at 27c ambient with ICD7 under load with Fuzzy Cube
TZS0 Max: 47
TZS1 Max: 47
Core 0 Max: 26
Core 1 Max: 30
GPU Max: 70

I guesstimate a 1-4 degree change for the better with ICD7 over the MX-2; it’s hard to tell due to the difference in ambient temps. Unfortunately it gets pretty hot here in Arizona and I keep my thermostat high to save on the electricity bill! A difference of 4 Degrees Celsius in ambient temperature is quite a bit. So even though my numbers with ICD7 are higher, if you take into account the difference in ambient temps it still runs cooler then the MX-2.

I’ve also attached a spreadsheet that contains my temperature results throughout my modifications to my laptop for additional reference. As tested, both the MX-2 and ICD7 included the following modifications on my laptop: raid 0, undervolting to 1.113v and a custom built cooler.

 

Outstanding!!!!

Mods/Admins....could we maybe merge the two threads for easier tracking of the results........and maybe move this from the Gateway Forum to a general forum to get max participation?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=4740965#post4740965

 

yes plz merge together nice idea capper

 

Just maybe merge the other into this because I believe that IC Diamond is monitoring this thread for his stats.

 

azrickster

Averaged the core temps then subtract the ambient to normalize the data

I get -5 C on the first run

-2.5 C on the second run for an overall average 3.75 C ? Look okay to you?

Second run core 0 is 1C below ambient - not sure it matters as it is kind of all relative with these Temp monitors unless somebody has a different opinion?

 

No argument here IC Diamond.

 

I use Ceramique and it works great, plus no conductivity at all

 

Ceramique is a middle of the road solution, and most good thermal compounds are non-conductive these days (ICD7, TX-2, MX-2, Shin Etsu). I think you'd be extremely impressed by the temperature difference switching out that Ceramique with ICD7.

 

I am istalling CPUs on a bunch of Gateway P-7805 and have been using Dynex thermal pastee (which was ok). ICD imrpoved the temps dramatically. I would recommend it to anyone.

 

I'm currently using ceramique after installing a x9100 into my m860tu... temps are okay so far but I'm looking to try a new thermal paste.

Has anyone found Ice Diamond 7 anywhere in Canada?

 

not sure have u tried ebay yet.........

 

Check out our dealers list

That AS guy follows me everywhere, lol

 

I am updating all forum results to date for the website, 10 forums 336 user tests, Including this one.

I thought you might be interested in our progress. I am going to be doing a separate laptop webpage with results here and from other forum giveaway laptop tests of IC Diamond

 

I just dont see what the big deal is, do you really get any king of benefit from running 4 C cooler? I dont know, can someone explain to me why this would be worth while on an FX?

 

Cooler temps = good

So any way you can lessen thermal stress (the constant cooling and heating up of computer parts) is always a good thing.

Its not much, but even a few degrees cooler over the life time of an electrical componet is a pretty nice deal. Plus in an ideal world the cooler you can keep componets the higher and more stable the clocks can be

Thats why people have invested so much into better heatsinks, bigger fans, better thermal goop, water cooling, phase cooling, liquid nitrogen direct injection cooling, etc

 

Yeah but Im talking about a Gateway FX, an entry level gaming rig that wont be worth a crap two years from now, why go through so much trouble to extend its life if its already going to obsolete well before it dies? Now I know some people have heat issues with thier fx and thats all fine and well, but to lower your GPU heat from 75 C to 70 C isnt worth the hours of work involved. And dont tell me it will give you more stable OC. You are more likely to become unstable because of voltage before heat on these things. I just dont see the point..

 

The $5000.00 Dual 280GTX Sager will also be pretty obsolete in 2 years. Remember the poor 7800/7900 users from 2 years ago

As to why. You realize that some people are still using laptops from 6+ years ago right? Not everyone has an obsession with the newest of everything. So having a laptop last at the level YOU need is sometimes a pretty big deal.

The most hard core game I actually play is Neverwinter Nights 2 and Dawn of War 2... I have no need for even an 8800GTS, but i wanted it. I could probably happily game on my 6860 for 4 or 5 more years before enough newer games were out that i liked that required an upgraded system.

I just like new things

As to the OC, you would be surprised how many 68xx users couldnt get their x7800 to 3.0gHz because of thermal issues. So yeah sometimes 5ish degrees helps.

Normally yeah having a system run 5 degrees cooler is basically useless, but like any other thing you do with computers its there to push a boundry.
Why did you ever run a benchmark on your "crap" 7805? You know it has NO hope to set any records... but you wanted to see just how far you could go huh. Some people are that way with temps as well.

Plus why would it ever concern you how much effort or time someone else puts into a system? I've put ALOT into mine and i'm quite proud of every single tweek i've done.

 

I just recived some of the ID7 as a sample tube in the mail... but havnt had a chance to test it yet cause im in Germany for the next few weeks... Ill test it though when I get back and post benchmarks as I agreed too.... until then I am using AC Ceramique... which works pretty well so far

 

Well I see it being useful for X7800's And yes I see your point about pushing the limits, but I guess i just dont care to go this far. Oh by the way has anyone gotten any better 3Dmark than 9903 with a stock 7805? Im just curious

 

--Edit: Already took apart my laptop last night and put it back together. Amazing experience and great fun. Also my GPU temps went down from 95 degrees while gaming to 70 degrees MAX. :_)

--Update: After a couple of days of the TIM settling in the max temps I am getting are at 67 degrees after hours of gaming. Very Impressive. Btw I used some Silver compound called Dynex that I bought from Best Buy. So far it's performing very well, although I'm ICD7 might perform better if I applied it the same way that I applied this paste.