[HowTo] SO-DIMMs Extreme: Boost 1600 to 2133 and beyond / JEDEC & XMP

Yep. I suggest to leave 1 stick in the laptop, write to it. Then power drain laptop. and boot it.
If it still doesn't help then either memory is protected or... you choose wrong SPD device.

 

I'll be getting 2133mhz kingston dimms in my 16F3 so look forward to tweaking the settings

 

Frankly I doubt you wil have much success with it.
Kingston does not produce memory chips while I believe at this moment no one created anything much better than samsung 30 nm chips. I would behappy if someone posted here pics of chips from HyperX 2133. As I know they are same bad as first 1600 HyperX modues. Do not work on many models of laptops at all and who knows why: incompatibility or big fal rate.
My main idea is to get laptop from USA which I bought and finally try to OC Samsung to higher than 2133.... though doubt it will boot on 3610QM with bigger frequency.

 

8gb of Samsung 30nm Chips can be had on eBay for $60 shipped worldwide. Great value. Basically for $120 + thaiphoon burner you can have 16gb of very fast ram (probably the fastest if you can get 1.65V to it). I would pick some up if I didn't need to buy a lot of things for my car.

 

I have a Samsung Series 3 (NP300-U1A) with Intel Core i3-2357M which I got for $200 from Staples last year, and it has been great, but I am having hard time to play media files encoded in 10bit h.264 in 1080P format. (voice out of sync with video)

It seemed that it was not limited by the cpu performance, and I think it might be related to the memory bandwidth (single channel -- only one SODIMM slot available); currently I bought Corsair vengence 1866 DDR3 memory, but it only runs at DDR3-1333.


it is possible to have i3-2357M to use the memory at DDR3-1886 speed with SPD mod?


Thank you

 

@shimman, this processor maximum supports 1333 Mhz and I doubt you can change the CPU.
So if you can send back that RAM AND GET MONEY BACK then do it.
Next time ask for help before you do smth, not after.

If your laptop really has only 1 SO-Dimm slot then you practically can't increase its performance through hardware. Maybe just RAM with better timings (CL7 instead of CL9) but it will not give you too much. And I doubt you can find 8GB sticks for that. Maybe present one but its too expensive for just timings.
On the other hand there is slight chance you could increase it using different codecks.
Download KMPLayer, maybe it will help you.

 

Hi James D,

Thanks for your suggestions. The memory module that i got is the 8GB unit rated at ddr3-1866. funny thing is that cpu-z reported this module is set by spd to support 1846 at cl=9 & 1230 at cl=6, and 2050 at cl=10. system is currently running at 1333 at cl=9.

not sure whether the cpuz is reporting the spd info correctly or not, but if they were correct, that is an interesting setup. i like to try thaiphoon burner, but i think i should stop investing further.


Thanks for great info & kind help!!

 

Your CPU wont let the memory run faster i'm afraid.

 

Hey James,

I've decided I want to flash my Vengeance 1866 to 2133 with TPB, would you know if the latest version of TBP works in Windows 8?

Flashing firmware/BIOS for any hardware component is big deal for me and I want to minimize the risk of fail/bad flashes as much as possible.

Can anyone confirm TBP works 100% normally with Windows 8?

 

Can you post a link to these?

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LMAO...a car only needs gas and insurance to get you from point A to pint B unless of course you're supin' up to get a chick, if that's the case focus on the car.

 

@ALL. I was lazy but now I guess I have to edit first post considering the fact that new speed standarts came in and new better RAM came too.

About corsair 1866. OCing is always a risk and as I recall not everybody had success Ocing it to 2133. So unless it is not the only reason I would think a long time before buying thaiphoon only for this task.
I am not a reseller or somehow contributed to it but I am a fan and will find information about Windows 8 support.

As of now I say that Samsung 1600 1.35V is great and it is possible to make it 2133MHz one. Many people have already done it a looong time ago. 1.5V older version is Ok too and some people also made it work even higher using thaiphoon + bclk overclocking.

 

Hey can the default tables be written to the samsung 1.35V sticks or does it all have to be done through XMP? Every time I try to write it ignores the timings on the basic table and I can only get XMP profiles. Can I get round this lock?

I assume it's the PSW that's been enabled in which case I am out of luck?

It's just annoying because my notebook can boot a single stick in 2133mhz by SPD (Kingston hyper-X) but if I program exactly the same timings in XMP mode not even one stick will boot :/ (1866mhz XMP works fine).

 

My laptop has 4GB 1333MHz CL9 integrated memory and a free slot. How smart is to tighten integrated memory timing? I want go down to CL6. If laptop fails to start could I boot with adding an untweaked Memory stick into the free slot, than restore the integrated one?

 

@Meaker, could you post a photo or link what RAM did you buy from eBay? I heard some of them are pulled from Macbooks. Did you buy it sealed in plastic?

@Atom. It is VERY BAD idea. Don't play with internal/integrated/soldered RAM.

 

Yup, bad idea especially for integrated RAM since it cannot be removed. Just this week I flashed both my Corsair Vengeance 1600 CL9 2x4 GB RAM to 1866 JEDEC and my 6475b would not get past the Windows splash logo with both slots occupied. So I removed a stick and put in the OEM stick in and it still could not get past the Windows splash logo.

What I ended up having to do was start the computer with just the OEM 4 GB stick and start TPB, then while the computer was still ON, insert one of the CV sticks in and tell TPB to read just that dimm. I closed and restarted TPB, then flashed the stock SPD profile. Finally repeat the same for the other CV stick and I was back to working condition with both CV stick running at 1600 CL9.

Point is, with the integrated RAM you risk bricking your entire computer, not just the RAM. I assume the only way to fix this would be a new motherboard or desolder/solder new RAM chips or whatever chip actually stores the SPD data (doesn't seem worth the risk to me).

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@ James D

What about HyperX 1866 and 2133's what CAS can those do with Thaiphoon running @ DDR3-2133?

For the Samsung's 1.35v, what CAS can they do @ DDR3-1866 with Thaiphoon?

Edit:

If it can increase my chances of getting Vegeance DDR3-1866 to run @ 2133 with Thaiphoon, I can install Windows 7 onto my external to flash with success.

 

Mine was in the cardboard samsung packaging.

EDIT: Whoops, found the bios setting I needed to change to set the timings in it and force the speed I want.

 

Ordered Samsung's Extreme Low Voltage 8GB, thanks all.

 

Thanks, I'll keep it mind, because would not worth to brick my whole new computer. In the Timing Table Editor were you use Autosetting-->DDR3 Speed Bins or manually adjusted timings? Have you tried also just tighten timing on the 1600MHz RAM modules? There is an auto setting for CL8 with choosing DDR3-1600G. In the same place I planned to apply DDR3-1333F for my 1333MHz module...

 

I have 1600mhz modules on 11 timing, 2 different types:

From Hynex and nanya technologie.

I think i have some luck:
Timings are 12-12-12 And also changed some others timings, scaled up on 2133mhz
Running prime95 for 1hour and 30mins and nothing went wrong ( took a few trials anyway to find the stable settings) and I see it as stable. (some people say 24 hour but i geuss it's just a waste of my time)

Only on problem, when i turn of my computers it always jumps back to 1600mhz factory settings.....


Sjoerd

 

DaviRicardo. Make your Corsair Vengeance work at 11 timings. From 2 ets of this RAM only 1 stick per set was able to work at CL10 timing.
And plase attach that profile you flashed recently. I will check it.

 

Has anybody have links for TPB profile Samsung @ 2133 CL10-10-10-?

If possible I'd like several TPB profiles with tightest CL10 timings @ 2133 and most stable CL10 @ 2133 with 1.55v.

Thanks in advance,

 

This the most I could get out of my 4x4GB sticks:

 

Thanks for the reply Meaker,

I cancelled my order for the Samsung 30nm chips, I'm going to wait on Samsung 20nm DDR3-1866 chips CL12 @ 1.35v coming in a couple months.

The newer 20nm chips should theoretically do DD3-2400 CL11 @ 1.55v with Thaiphoon Burner (which is what I'm looking for), I'll be happy even if the new 20nm chips do DDR3-2400 with default CL12 timings @ 1.55v (which they should be able to do 100% stable).

Thanks again,

 

I edited first post. Now it has more information and simple lay out for newbies.

@Nemix, your expectations are too good to be true. Don't know about new Samsung but 2133 at CL10 looks too high.
As about RAM voltage. I know that voltage level in SPD can be set only to these 3 values: 1.5V, 1.35V, 1.35V/1.5V.
If you want to set different voltage then you can use XMP profiles which gives you more settings to play with. However discoveries of latest memory chips (since 2011 or 2012) of different brands shew that increasing voltage over 1.5 gives almost no benefit. Surprise-surprise.

@Meaker. Looks cool that you have 1866 at CL9! Good job! Is this with BCLK OCing? So can you set 2133 Mhz using BIOS or not?

 

I can but only if I take the base clock down to 95.5mhz giving me about 1010mhz memory speed which is not worth the hassle and it needs much looser timings.

The above is at 105.5mhz base clock and I am testing 106mhz.

 

@ James

I was dreaming that someone got DDR-2133 CL10 with 30nm Samsung chips, DDR3-2133 at default timings should be able to run stable @ 1.5v correct?

I got the final specs for the 20nm Samsung chips coming out in the following months:

http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...note_ddr3l_backward_compatibility_rev11-0.pdf

They are 20nm Samsung chips running at DDR3-1866 CL13 with 1.35v, so my guess of them having default CL12 was off (too high expectations).

Still very good and worth the wait for me since I think they will be able to achieve DDR3-2400 CL13 with 1.5v all the while running cooler than current 30nm Samsung chips (which max out at DDR3-2133 CL11 with 1.5v).

 

The problem is some motherboards just are not designed to work with the 2133mhz strap, it's not the memory but the motherboard holding it back.

 

I'm gonna go ahead and try flashing my Corsair's DDR3-1866 to DDR3-2133 with Thaiphoon Burner to confirm my motherboard can indeed handle speeds up to DDR3-2133.

If all goes well, then I'm set to wait for the Samsung DDR3-1866 20nm chips.

I would still happy with Samsung 20nm chips running @ DDR3-2133 with super tight timings and cooler temps.

 

Nemix, make CL14 timings at first. If they go well then use CL13. Flash only 1 stick at a time. And even if 1 stick works well it doesn't mean that 2 sticks together will.

About your question... it depends on what default timing do you mean.

As about official documentation in that PDF. Samsung always writes waaay bigger timings there just insuring themselves.

 

has anyone seen the new 2133 so-dimm from Kingston?

Newegg.com - Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3 2133 Laptop Memory HyperX Plug n Play Model KHX21S12P1K2/8

 

yep, as far as i know they only work in alienware machines (m18x R2 & m14x R2 confirmed, others dont know), mythlogic reported those sticks to be incompatible with clevo laptops

 

Add to that list Asus G55. I was shocked myself when found.

 

which list would that be? functioning or non-functioning?

 

To what could i get my kit in my sig? Could i get that to CL10 and 1866MHz (any problems with the i5 there?). Might download Thaiphoon burner as it seems very interesting to get 1866MHZ ram and run tests with it

Can i just use that program without any problems on my laptop? Seems almost to easy to be true :thumbsup:

 

I wouldn't be surprised if it was in non-functional Do you need proflink?

Daniel, 8GB sticks can not be overclocked. At least I wouldn't hope so much.
As for other... Unlocked BIOS lets you do almost the same. If you want I can do it for you but it is always a risk so I don't guarantee anything.

 

Ah thats a pitty you cannot OC 8gb sticks Could you OC it with the bios? Do you have a modded bios file for the GE60? WOuld my bios needs to be flashed?

 

@dalielschoon. I give up. I can't answer all that through forum. Use skype

 

@Meaker, Just found info from the one who you hear, luoxia. He claims he OCed Samsung 1.5V chips st 2133Mhz at CL9-10-10-24 timings. Strange that you can't make your RAM work at 2133Mhz....
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...mory-setting-software-p170hm.html#post9040258

 

Here you go. It is Russian but there are a lot of pictures CPU is 3610QM BTW.

 

say what? the included cpu-z screenshot says that these sticks are rated for up to 2666 mhz??? that cant be right... i choose to stay skeptical in this case


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I am more experienced than you in this. And such mismatch of SPd is already written in this thread. You should look at the memory tab where real intime frequency is shown. 1066Mhz means 2133mhz correcte on 2 percent because of difference in fsb (98 instead of 100). However you are free to be sceptical to whatever you want

 

Its the integrated graphics doing it. It cant handle memory speeds above 1ghz.

 

easy chief, im not here to discuss experience or qualification im just skeptical since mythlogic as a clevo reseller stated that those sticks arent compatible with current clevo models. also, reports from other nbr forum members with clevo machines backed that up, since they couldnt get those 2133 PnP sticks to run in their laptops. so forgive me if one russian link, albeit with screenshots does not convince me enough yet as to go out and buy those sticks myself

cheers!

edit: aaaah, misunderstanding! u were still talking about the Asus G55 i just noticed! haha, sorry, here i thought we´re talking about the clevos its all good

 

we need to come up with a way to make clevo either unlock the bios of the p170em or make it so we can use higher memory like the new 2133 that came out

any ideas on how to do that?

 

hmm.... prema mentioned something about an internal XTU check in the P170EM BIOS, that gets confused with higher-rated JEDEC sticks like the 2133 PnP Kingston. he said he could disable that, but not sure if that would help letting those sticks run properly. in the end, ull also have to consider if the IMC is capable of handling those speeds with more than one stick installed...

 

If the MoBo doesnt support it there is little you can do. Btw why would you want to go to 2133. Why not run on 1866 with tighter timings? Gives the same result isnt it..

 

1. Unfortunately my 6475b is not allowing anything faster than 1600 CL9. I've added XMP profiles but that doesn't do me any good. What I have done is copy the timings of the XMP profiles and used them to make JEDEC ones. Still, I cannot get over 1600 CL9. I am not very experienced with this subject of computers. I've been mostly learning from trial and error (and from this thread itself). I've had TPB for a about a year now and my license is about to expire so I'm trying to get some last minute learning in before I can't use it anymore.

2. The profiles I was using were the ones anyone can download from the THB SPD browser (1600 and 1866, 4GB, DDR3 SDRAM, SODIMM). You can download and examine those yourself. But if you can't for some reason just let me know and I'll upload them anyways.

3. I could never seem to have figured out who my CV DRAM manufacturer was. It doesn't say Micron on there like the one's in the OP and I've tried hunting down the chips by the numbers written on the top of the chips. I also tried contact Corsair and that was not helpful at all.

Part numbers on the chips look like this to me:

256MB00JG
NAG0421205
E 698C148 7



I want to try new RAM, as I'm growing tired of the CVs.

I've tried using the latest TBP with W8Pro 64bit and it behaves strangely. I was using Windows 7 compatibility and set to run as Administrator. For me, sometimes it would fail to read the SPD data from the SMBus. Other times when it did read, it would read incredibly slow (as well as write incredibly slow). When the SPD data was read, it was not complete, had weird characters/symbols/digits instead of displaying the correct information. For me, TBP didn't work well in W8 like W7 did. With that said, TBP does NOT work normally under W8, yet.

Under W7, it works perfectly, its fast (read/writes), identifies the SPD information accurately and application performance is consistent most of the time. I'm glad I've got both OSes for these kind of situations.

 

@david. I believe licence of ThB is not time limited...
I created a profile for you. Test it very well. If you think it is somehow not stable tell me. Test it with AIDA stress test, Cinebench maybe and of course Memtest 86+ for a night.