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    [HowTo] SO-DIMMs Extreme: Boost 1600 to 2133 and beyond / JEDEC & XMP

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by James D, Jan 4, 2012.

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    That's... just not true, sorry. Memory controllers don't work that way any more and that was to do with FSB frequency.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jan 13, 2012
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    Meaker - James
    OK
    I have picked for example Intel® Core™ i7-2600K Processor OK?
    I have checked that CPU supports Memory Types : DDR3-1066/1333

    For instance ; if desktop lover going to build Tower PC and with quite nice 2600K cpu and he will choose RAM which is ; I picked Quad channel and THOSE RAMS runs AT 2400MHz !!!
    How you gonna explain that, to somebody that just not gonna work ???
    Or it is going to work but not correctly ?
    Dominator® GT with DHX Pro Connector ? 1.5V 8GB Quad Channel DDR3 Memory Kit (CMGTX8) - Quad Channel Intel Memory Upgrade Kits - Intel Memory Upgrades - Memory by Platform
     
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    Mobile CPUs are running at lower voltages across the board, on a desktop to get the ram moving that fast you are going to run a higher IMC voltage.

    Also the quad channel sets are for the X79 platform so that's only one bank per channel, it's harder to run fast memory at 2 banks per channel.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jan 13, 2012
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    Some ? how do you know? and how?
    if u saing some managed give the link how can u mess with timings ?
     
    GalaxySII, Jan 13, 2012
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    What are you using to change the timings?
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jan 13, 2012
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    I guess I am blessed with a good unlocked bios. :D

    It's the only way - though you could try Intel XTU 2.1
     
    GeoCake, Jan 13, 2012
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    I am running kingston pnp 1866 along with 2820 over 4 months and I had no issues whatsoever games working well
    I actually realised that you do not need strong GPU for games that is the gimmick too same as with big CPUs big RAMs or big GPUs
    What I can say what revolution and big real step occurred in IT industry is SSD drives .. nothing else ..

    Yes true
    I spoke to one member owning alienware and having same BIOS as I have so Insyde H2O and he said this BIOS is the same in all laptops
    and it's up to laptop makers what they will set in BIOS
    So he also said he is working on HIS OWN program to modify Insyde!
    I have contacted him few weeks ago but with no replly ..
     
    GalaxySII, Jan 13, 2012
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    I just heard it. I wrote this but it was a typo in word heard. As I understood someone who wrote it meant that it will work on higher bandwidth but won't get all advantages working at full.

    Jeee, really PokeLOL??
    AND DO YOU SEE THIS:
    THIS
    THIS
    AND THIS??????

    And you did not give an answer me in that thread as like guy whose post you linked. And now you ask us in thread created by me why don't we go to that thread again??? Where is logic??? :confused:
     
    James D, Jan 13, 2012
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    Thanks for the links James D. With those timings Corsairs DDR3-1866 looks very good, I might think of spending that extra $50 over DDR3-1600.

    The timings are spot on 10-10-10-27 and the command rate is 1T for 8GB kit that's ridiculous.

    That's like saying the ram is 9-10-9-27-2T @ DDR3-1886, Corsair did a great job on this memory!
     
    Nemix77, Jan 13, 2012
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    Sorry, my bad. :rolleyes:

    I think the reason why they are no SPD screens is because I can't see anything at all on that tab. Everything is just blank... I'm probably not the only one to see nothing here.

    Timings can be changed in the unlocked bios, however the blue hyperx will resort to only 1333 at custom timings whereas the plug and play versions (grey) will automatically run at 1600 with custom timings. PnP versions are thus superior.

    Yah, Corsair have better timings than HyperX at default. And they overclock automatically as well (Pnp), so defo go for them. Not sure how they would fair with custom timings though, wish I could try ;o

    Maybe I will, but 1866 is pricey in the UK. Anyone got any good UK sites selling them?

    At the end of the day, the speed gain is stupidly minimal from stock 1333 RAM, lol.
     
    GeoCake, Jan 14, 2012
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    OK Guys and James
    I upgraded cpu and ram
    I've done stress tests and all passed OK
    No throttling



    Adding on more screen
     
    GalaxySII, Jan 14, 2012
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    JEDEC number 2 and 3 look rather interesting, congrats on getting all the ram working.

    Does he memory tab of CPU-Z show your command rate as AIDA seems to suggest you are at CR2.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jan 14, 2012
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    Cpu-z is not 100% precise and that is latest version shows am on 2920XM
     
    GalaxySII, Jan 14, 2012
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    CPU-Z and all the others report it wrong. Thaiphoon burner is the only software that reports correct JEDEC on my Kingston 1866 RAM...
     
    Prema, Jan 14, 2012
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    Command rate is 2, is that normal? I can remember seeing it was 1.
     
    pau1ow, Jan 14, 2012
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    Yes the memory controller will usually relax certain timings when fully populated.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jan 14, 2012
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    no HW info reports best
     
    GalaxySII, Jan 14, 2012
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    galaxy, the first screenshot is 1.58, the second is 1.59.

    Jason
     
    ganzonomy, Jan 14, 2012
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    man I know THAT IS WHY I immediatelly downloaded new one and show there are no differences that means they didn't solve their bugs !! ooh dearr
    [​IMG]
     
    GalaxySII, Jan 14, 2012
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    Looks like you have 16GB inside, right? I think if you put only 8GB you will have 1T
     
    James D, Jan 14, 2012
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    No I had Kingston 8GB and I had still 2T according cpu-z
    And looks like its wrong again

    here is HW info with 8GB kingston and it is 1T as you said ..

    [​IMG]
     
    GalaxySII, Jan 14, 2012
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    If you don't mind, can you download Thaiphoon Burner and use it to save a your RAM's SPD, and then post the .thp file in this thread?

    Thaiphoon Burner - Official Support Website
     
    5482741, Jan 14, 2012
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    I see Kingston on 1333 works on 8-8-8-23.

    I remember someone posted that CPU-z with Hyperx shew 2T while with Corsair 8GB it was 1T

    I use AIDA DMI settings to watch
     
    James D, Jan 14, 2012
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    One guy in another forum wrote :
    The more slots you use the harder it is to run 1T. 2T is more stable, 1T is slightly faster (2-3%).

    EDIT : http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/176007-12-dram-command-rate-explained

    This is all what it got ..
    [​IMG]
     
    GalaxySII, Jan 14, 2012
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    Ahm...maybe stupid question but did yout hit "read" and selected the stick? :eek:
    (then the report button should list the spd at the bottom).
     
    Prema, Jan 14, 2012
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    HEheh yes this soft doesn't work for me friend sorry ..
     
    GalaxySII, Jan 14, 2012
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    Dude HWinfo (latest beta) doesn^t even get the 933Mhz right for the 1866...see here for others:

    http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2561/timingsh.jpg

    AIDA64, CPU-Z,SISOFT SANDRA...only Thaiphoon Burner got them right. ;-)


    You did you also boot with F8 driver signing disabled and ran Thaiphoon with admin rights?...sorry again :eek:
     
    Prema, Jan 14, 2012
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    man I don't have time messing with that sorry
     
    GalaxySII, Jan 14, 2012
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    No problem, :)

    at least now we know why it didn^t work. The basic version requires Test Signing Mode and UAC to be disabled and needs administrative rights to install Thaiphoon Burner's kernel-mode driver. :rolleyes:
     
    Prema, Jan 14, 2012
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    I have UAC disabled since I installed Win.
    administrative rights - where in Thaiphoon properties - security ?
     
    GalaxySII, Jan 14, 2012
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    right click on it - Run as admin. But doubt it will help
    Maybe it just doesn't support it
     
    James D, Jan 14, 2012
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    No it doesn't work cos Ill get message
    [​IMG]
     
    GalaxySII, Jan 14, 2012
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    run cmd (command prompt) as admin with this command "C:\Windows\System32\cmd.exe /k %windir%\System32\reg.exe ADD HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System /v EnableLUA /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f" without quotes and try taiphoon again. This is last I can advice.
     
    James D, Jan 14, 2012
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    Oh well got it working
    u should say straight : restart win 7 and keep hittin F8 and select Disable Driver signature for one session.

    [​IMG]

    Yeah I ran security policy in first place and in local policies and security options I have enabled admin account staus but didn't help .. so I read last part of that message and prema was talking about F8 and I was hitting F8 while was running that his soft then I realised that restart windows and boot win 7 via F8
     
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  37. James D

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    Smart. I can't add you more rep now.

    I remember member 5482741 asked .thp dump from Taiphoon.
     
    James D, Jan 14, 2012
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    So anyone still interested in the DDR3-1600 version Jedec timings?

    I have them on hand but still contemplating on the DDR3-1866 version after seeing those Jedec timing screenshots.
     
    Nemix77, Jan 14, 2012
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  39. TURBODUDE!!!

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    The dump is already in TB's database.

    P.S. I have never seen such a poor SPD from Corsair.
     
    TURBODUDE!!!, Jan 14, 2012
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    I am :) as I am planning to upgrade to 2x4 cheap Corsair 1600 ! Please post SPD in CPU-Z ! (would like to see the CR)
     
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    I didn't know it was added yet.

    I'll check.

    Edit: I could't find it.

    Thanks. Can you also choose to "save dump" and post the .thp file in this thread?
     
    5482741, Jan 14, 2012
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    Can some link me to a screenshot of Kingston's HyperX DDR3-1866 taken with Taiphoon.

    PS. I don't understand the numbers but why is TURBODUDE!!! saying the SPD is poor?
     
    Nemix77, Jan 14, 2012
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    Nemix77 will you do a screenshot of CPU-Z spd ? :)
     
    pau1ow, Jan 14, 2012
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    Sorry, nothing.
     
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    Here it is:

    ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting

    ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting

    This is on a Y570 with HM65 chipset and i5-2520M CPU, I haven't yet ran Memtest86+ so consider yourselves very special.

    For anyone getting the ram: Corsair's packaging is horrible, make sure you open the bottom first (no need to open the top) in order to get the ram out; opening the top of the package does nothing.

    Another note is the ram has no heat-spreaders but I'm suspect that Corsair uses 30nm chips on the Vengeance in order to keep production cost low and run the memory at lower timings without the need for heat-spreaders.

    All in all, money well spent and the memory works as advertised.
     
    Nemix77, Jan 14, 2012
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  47. James D

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    No black-gold heatspreaders? Really?
     
    James D, Jan 14, 2012
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    I just nicely used scalpel cut sticker and that was it .. unpacked RAM
    What u been struggling with ? :confused:
    Why do u need heat-sink ? its not helping at all it is just vision effect .. (kingston)
     
    GalaxySII, Jan 14, 2012
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    If this is what decreased price of it comparing with HyperX then fine... I think.

    @Geo. Looks like 1866 and 1600 have a difference in heatspreaders....
     
    James D, Jan 14, 2012
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