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    [HowTo] SO-DIMMs Extreme: Boost 1600 to 2133 and beyond / JEDEC & XMP

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by James D, Jan 4, 2012.

  1. jaug1337

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    I wish I could do this with my 333Mhz ram... lol
     
  2. residualvoltage

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    Thanks James D your too kind. Yeah that is impressive if your 1.35v ram is doing 2133 at stock volts... I agree with James attempt the CL10 on the 1.5v... I mean these 2(4gb sticks) are just plain Jane Dell Samsung 1600mhz 11-11-11-28... but at 12-12-12 on 2133mhz and a baseclock overclock like John did they made it to 2270mhz no prob so I decided if they had that much play at only 1.55v then why not try tighter timings :) Seems when I tried lower than my 9-10-10-25 moving to 1.6v or 1.65v didn't stabalize :) Its one notch from CL8 though in the timing table of thaiphoon burner so thats probably why i couldn't get farther... lol CL8 just gave me the beeps lol :)

    any ram supported by Thaiphoon Burner can do this. If you don't have adjustements in bios for ram frequency and or voltage you can still buy Thaiphoon burner and set just slightly lower timings at 333mhz and still see nice benefits... barring the ram you have has some room to overclock.
     
  3. James D

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    It will be impossible to repair ram stick. I tried :)

    333 means 2.5-3-3-7. Once I lowered 512MB stick to 2-3-3-7 i worked.

    But once I did the same on 1GB tick (costs 40$) it was blue screens and lock ups. I was VERY LUCKY to successfully load OS and reflash stick before OS crashed again. And it actually crashed 10 second after I reflashed. it was my 15-th attempt or so. Laptop did not load OS with hot plug.

    But he can try to boost it to 400 Mhz... if chipset supports it. And he doesn't need to pay for software for such old laptop. There are free programs which support such old lappies.
     
  4. HTWingNut

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    That's the thing. No way to control voltage in my machine. Samsung 1.35V chips running at 2133MHz CAS 11 1T, all stock timings from 1600MHz actually. Did some Prime95 RAM torture test for 30+ minutes with no errors.

    Here's results. Someone I know has a license to Aida64 so just used that.

    [​IMG]
     
  5. residualvoltage

    residualvoltage Notebook Deity

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    nice I passed 35 hours memtest no errors... seems these Samsung chips are very good... hmm I'm guessing no XMP option either then... as this has voltage parameters... but I think they don't get used I haven't been sure. I set mine to 1.55v in XMP and also in bios... not sure if the XMP truly adjust the volts though. Either way 2133 11-11-11 is a tight timing anyway. its already 1CAS lower than the fastest JEDEC standard of 12-12-12-36 @ 2133. :)
     
  6. HTWingNut

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    I'll do a longer memtest though, just to make sure.
     
  7. residualvoltage

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    Cool I wonder if games are improved by this... every other aspect i have noticed is faster... I know IGP 2133 is blazing vs 1067-1600. i dont have an Aida license so it says demo on half of those reading :| anyone want to see any bench/test done like Aida etc on my 2133 CL9?
     
  8. James D

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    What do you mean no way? :)

    Messing with Vengeance.mp4 - YouTube

    Pay attention to 49-th second. Byte 6. 00 means 1.5 volts. 02 means both 1.5 and 1.35 operable.

    Don't forget to correct checksum. Good Luck.
     
  9. residualvoltage

    residualvoltage Notebook Deity

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    yes nice James I forgot about that... good luck HTwingnut this may be all you need :) Thats right my corsair can be set to 1.35v and could run at that on the Cosair low volt 1600mhz timings... not important though as I plan to stick to 2133mhz :)
     
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    So who is running at 2133MHz on a non extreme Sandy/Ivy bridge CPU (not XM)? And have you noticed any performance gain?

    Thanks
     
  11. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    HT is running it on 3610qm...great gains for the igpu and snappy system. :)
     
  12. HTWingNut

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    Yep, still trying to find time to do testing of HD 4000 at 1866 and 2133.
     
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    Cool. Would love to see comparisons, preferably on bigger jumps, example 1333 to 2133 since I`d imagine 1866-2133 won`t give you as much?
     
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  15. James D

    James D Notebook Prophet

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    patric. You obviously know that if you have different ram in computer then it will work as fast as fast is the slowest ram.

    @HTWingNut Did I help you with voltage?
     
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    Haven't tried. Prema's helping me tho.
     
  17. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Hey James congrats on the sold CPU! :)

    HT can't flash the new profiles, because SPDTool doesn't work on his chipset.
    Do you have any link for the Taiphoon Burner Demo that allowed flashing for him?

    @patric will do tomorrow on my mobile now. Those RAMs should have a 1600XMP by default...
     
  18. James D

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    Thanks Prema :) Wish to sold last one which I don't need :)

    Sure, But tell him (if he will not read it here :)) that he should try to flash it on as old laptop supported by DDR3 as he can. Old Taiphoon doesn't support at least 1 year old laptops or doesn't support almost all of them.

    @patric I added 2 XMP profiles. Both are 1.5V. 1600 and 1866
     
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    The processor's max ram speed is 1333mhz IIRC.

    Unfortunately they don't according to CPU-Z. All of them were JEDEC and the highest setting was 800mhz

    [​IMG]
     
  20. James D

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    Here you go. I thought I attached it before but no, 7z is wrong type here.
     

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    Is it possible to for the 1600mhz/1800mhz to run @ 1.35v?
     
  22. James D

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    Who did tell you that it will run on 1.35V.? :confused:

    I created both profiles with 1.5V. While I did not changed anything else except adding XMP profiles.
     
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    The stock voltage of the RAM is 1.35v so I'm just wondering if it is possible to that it will run 1.35v while on 1866mhz or higher.
     
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    Been very busy but my 8gb two sticks of 4gb capacity Samsung that I posted about running 1.55v 2133 9-10-10-25 has been running for maybe two weeks maybe more no probs in any games under load on IGP. Been gaming a bit on it due to a gpu repair due. I have seen improved texture bandwidth and other stuff as I have seen subtle fps improvements even though initial reports had said very little benefit in faster speed faster timed ram. The bigger thing I noticed is there is less lag as games scenes try to load the next area in the backround. This is on the Intel HD3000 and actually has been 100% stable for me. While I had been doing some comparisons I went ahead and tried just a few comparisons of 1067-2133mhz and at different cpu speeds too. Been to busy to get anything into any sort of organized chart or anything... but I have seen substantial differences. Not had enough maxxmem or other comparisons yet to say anything concrete but... 1066-2133 seems to show any where's from 10-12gb bandwith on Winsat up to 28gb easily on 2133mhz. I posted a 32gb run but seems it's a peak and not quite the norm at 2133mhz. Set at 2133mhz and 800mhz sandy's idle showed maybe 4-5gb bandwith and then very fast doubled and tripled... Something like 1.5 ghz - 10gb, 2ghz -15gb, 2.5ghz - 20gb, 3ghz - 25gb, 3.5ghz- 28gb. Not exactly but example of how it seemed to scale. Seems only 3.2-3.7ghz is needed to just about max our ram throughput. Much higher shows definate gains but seems to not be as much. This was in winsat mem command. Via Maxxmem seemed to still see fair benefits the higher cpu speed I went to, more so than winsat but after 4.5ghz maxmem gains started to be not nearly as much as going up to 4.5ghz. In maxxmem I noticed as cpu speed was raised over 4.5ghz the largest gains started to be in the COPY stat rather than the read/write stats... but latency went ever lower with each cpu speed bump.
    Gains were not evident in very slow timings in memory bins compared to the one above it. Ie 1600 tight timings does have fair advantage over 1866 with pretty slow timings.etc. Take all I said with a grain of salt all ram handles different including the cpus and chipsets that run them.
     
  25. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    OK, since the Samsung 1.35v can do that, why not.
    This one is with 1600/1.35v,1866/1.35v & one with 1866/1.35, 2133/1.5v

    ENJOY & let us know how it goes! :D

    EDIT: FIXED, I shouldn`t do too many things at once! :D THX@JAMES :)
     

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  26. James D

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    @Prema. 1 of profiles isn't changed I guess. It doesn't have any XMP profile.
    And I wouldn't do 1866 1.35V unless he uses netbook.
     
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    Will test after work today, thanks Prema.
     
  28. Prema

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    Yaeh let us know what the Adata can do?
    All these low voltage RAMs look very interesting to say the least. ;)
     
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    Wait, how do I flash this?
     
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    has anyone tested high density 8GB ram for overclocking?
     
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    [​IMG]

    Thanks for the help guys.
     
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    1861.7MHz? :confused:
     
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    What cloud? I don't understand what frequency you are talking about?
     
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    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Your memory is running at 980.7MHz, but its dual so its running at 1861.7MHz. Shouldn`t it be 1866MHz?

    EDIT: Math fail. Its running at 1961.7MHz :confused:
     
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    980x2 = 1960mhz, its overclocked twice.

    1600mhz strap -> 1866 strap, 100mhz base -> 105mhz base.
     
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    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Not shure if I understand what you mean, but probably correct :p
     
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    1866/2 = 933mhz

    I'm running at 980mhz.

    980x2 = DDR3 1960.
     
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    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    aha now I understand. So yeah, you aren`t running at typical profile speeds :)
     
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    Yes, overclocking the base clock increases the speed of everything. CPU, RAM, SATA and PCI-E.

    So increasing it 5% has overclocked my ram by 5%.
     
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    Prema,

    The ADATA cards aren't posting. I even changed the voltage to 1.5v. Even on a simple 1.5v 1600mhz it even doesn't post. I think I'm missing something here, can someone double check.
     
  41. Prema

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    OK try those :)
     

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    Flashing it right now. Will let you know in a little bit. Hopefully it posts.
     
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  44. Prema

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    Ah OK, then I know what it is...there are different XMP revisions...your Notebook requires the older standard, give me a sec...

    EDIT: OK flash this table and see if the 1600 sticks if you select the profile. Then I can make the other speeds also. :)
     

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    I want to overclock my RAM to 1866mhz.
    With my 9150EM, I got the stock 8gb 1600mhz RAM from Xotic. I also have 8gb of Corsair at 1600mhz. If I mix these two and then OC, will I be okay?
    Or should I downgrade the RAM to the 1333mhz, sell it, and use the money to buy another pair of 8gb Corsair sticks?
     
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    Same thing even though I set it using XTU. :(
     

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    has anyone tried overclocking high density memory like 4x8gb?
     
  49. James D

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    No need to sell it. you can mix...99% that it will work fine.

    Look like nobody. I would say it is possible but do NOT OC it as high as usual RAM
     
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    So flashing it with these profiles will be fine? I just want to make sure so I don't mess anything up.
     
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