2.5" / 9.5mm hard drives OVER 1TB

those were the 2tb SSDs i was speaking of.

 

Sweet!
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What is available now? Is it just 15mm 2TB drives?

 

think so, only recent change is 7200rpm 1TB 9.5mm are available now.

 

bump... Is there a 2.5" 7200rpm 1gb+ hard drive yet that is 9.5mm and not 15mm?

 

The HGST Travelstar 7K1000 is a 1tb 7200RPM 2.5" 9.5mm drive that uses 500Gb platters. Since a similar design (WD blue 5400RPM) drive can achieve 120mb/s max and 60mb/s min sequential speeds, I estimate that given the 7200RPM spindle offering 33% boost. I expect a 30% ish improvement in sequential speeds (i.e. 156mb/s and 76mb/s respectively). Obviously, there should also be an advantage in access times

 

so just a matter of time (not much) before dual 600-800+ GB platters and we get 1,5-2tb drive.

 

Well, it's always just a matter of time... the question is how much!

 

Now it is real deal; the HGST Travelstar 5K1500 is the industry's first 9.5 mm, 1.5 TB mobile hard drive and features the industry's highest capacity in a standard 9.5 mm design.
Unfortunately 3 platters instead two, but still 9.5mm;


Availability
Travelstar 5K1500 drives are expected to ship in June.

 

Wow.. Go Hitachi! Their 1 tb 7200 rpm drive has been amazing for me so far.

 

How many RPM?

 

5400RPM, I think they basically shrunk the arm mechanisms to be able to cram 3 (500gb) platters in a chassis with 9mm Z height. I don't think it will be 7200rpm until they can optimize the spindle motor as shifting 3 platters is hard work.

 

The 7200 RPM drives are too noisy, so I do not mind it is only 5400RPM. But why cannot they manage higher density than 500GB/ platter? The first 500GB/platter drive came in 2010, 3 years later we are still struggling there...

 

HGST do have 7200RPM 2 platter 1TB drives in 2.5inch but I think it will be more difficult to do 3 platters with acceptable power and engineering requirements.

 

Its not just about the size of the drive but its efficiency as well. Anything below 7200 RPM is just to slow for my purposes of video playback. That's my basic first requirement and everything else is secondary.

 

the WD green 2TB drive fits in my 1762 secondary drive bay, and it is possible to cram into the optical bay drive just so you know

 

Noise and power? My laptop is already upgraded past it's cooling capabilities and I think that won't so much, now give me my 3tb 2.5 9mm drive please.

 

Wow great. Up to 1.5TB. Just an extra 500GB needed to consider upgrading Perhaps by the time we see a 2TB 7200rpm 9.5mm drive that is 2 platters SSD's will be cheaper lol

 

3 platters in a 9.5mm drive is a fascinating development. With the 500GB platters having come out around 3 years ago, how long can it before before it's possible to get 667GB on a platter? It would seem that should be possible within the capabilities of PMR without the need for Helium, HAMR or BPM. Any thoughts on that?

 

Its not just the capacity and the density but speed as well. With today's demand media requirements 7200 should be the benchmark standard. Anything else is just too slow unless you consider solely storage drives.

 

Not really. A 500GB platter at 5400RPM is about the same speed as a 375GB platter at 7200RPM. Access time is somewhat slower on average due to having to wait longer for the disk to rotate under the head, but head seek time and serial read speeds are about the same.

 

Its also bloody difficult to get a 500gb platter to spin at 7200RPM, especially multiple platters.

 

Currently, the largest-capacity hard drives that will fit in notebooks have one terabyte of storage space, and the largest-capacity SSDs that will fit in notebooks also have one terabyte of storage space. Given the greater ease of increasing storage capacity of SSDs with shrinking fabrication die sizes, I would guess that you're likely to see many more high-capacity over a terabyte SSDs in the next few years than hard drives.

 

Not unless the price continues to drop, and substantially. SSD are still 8Xs more expensive than HDD (and may always be?) The price benefit of a large capacity HDD is just too tempting to ignore.

Maybe for you general uses but not for video. And with HD content being the norm nowadays, my 7200 HDD can just barely makes it in under the wire. The higher speed RAID array is what's recommended for HDD when editing HD content. I'm sorry, but a 5400 RPM HDD would just not make the grade.

 

this is actually a different case, since we currently have an idea of "acceptable price" for a hdd at a specific capacity, in which the price drops every year, under the same case SSD price drops as well, in which in n years time, the cost/GB of an SSD will meet the current cost/GB of a HDD, new platforms come out too, in which by that time, people in that generation, will no longer treat SSD as a luxury boot only item, but instead replace the concept of HDD with SSD, and concept of SSD with future products, rendering traditional HDD technology an abandoned idea, similar to IDE hdd at this time

also you might have to consider the elemental limiting factor of a HDD, which dies down to its single platter storage limit at its finest engineering state (down to chemical molecular state)

similarly for SSDs, the storage limit down to its molecular state is potentially much higher than that of a HDD, same theory for future technology, new chemical element with better developping potential compared to previous element, and there we come out with new SSD-by-that-time drives with storage capacity considered "small but extremely powerful"

remember how we used to have maximum 20Gb consumer drives couple years back at the size of a 3000Gb drive currently? thats how we amplify the SSD drive size by that amount of years, perhaps exponentially too

 

I have the HGST 1TB 7200, and it works just fine.

 

Charts, benchmarks 2012 Mobile HDD Charts, [01] Read Throughput Average: h2benchw 3.16

The Travelstar 1TB 5400 is faster than the Travelstar 500GB 7200.

 

As do I (a pair actually) , and their the quietest, fastest and coolest most efficient HDDs I've ever owned.

 

This is roughly what I was talking about. The technology behind SSDs is developing much more rapidly than hard drive technology, so it's likely that there will be 1.5+TB SSDs before there are similar capacity hard drives in a small enough form factor. Despite the significantly greater expense over hard drives, SSDs will in the next couple years have the advantage of not only much better performance, but also higher storage capacity. With both high performance and high capacity going for them, SSDs will be seen as a better option than hard drives in virtually every situation. There's a reason why Zsolt Kerekes of StorageSearch.com believes that eventually storage manufacturers won't be able to give hard drives away, since they will have lost their value.

 

another point to add is, as history repeats itself, the extrance price and capacity should be very similar to that of a SATA hdd, and since I'm not familiar with IDE drives, I suppose when SATA hdd first came out, it is also about the same entrance price and capacity as the IDE drives, and as history has proven, we dumped the IDE drives by the time SATA drives became more competitive by delivering better performance, now I suppose SSDs will do the same in the future, where people will dump the SATA hdd just like how they did on the IDE drives, and new entrance with more advanced tech will appear

 

Same here.

One guy said that's not true because it takes longer for the head to read the data because of the data density and accuracy.

I'm not sure whihc story is true but, my 1tb 5400rpm drives runs just fine, probably something in between both stories.

No, there already is a 2tb SSD.

 

consumer class please, and strictl SATA only, we have very limited PCIE slots

 

the 2tb are sata, though they are 15mm thick

 

2TB SSD u mean? or 2TB HDD....

 

which do you think? HDD. the largest affordable SSD at 1tb is the m500 at 0.6 per gb, the rest is usually a 1+ ratio

 

from what I see on a 2tb ssd it is 2.5 per gb..... and yes look at my signature, the 2tb thinggy

 

15mm high drives don't count in this discussion since they don't fit in (most) notebooks. Since the focus is on notebook storage, that commonly means 9.5mm or thinner and 2.5" or smaller drives. Yes, there are 2tb enterprise 15mm high 2.5" hard drives and up to 4tb 3.5" hard drives, and there are also PCIe SSDs that have multiple terabytes of capacity. But none of that affects what can be put in a notebook.

 

yeah lets hope with the 9.5mm 1.5tb we can some some 12.5mm 2tb or larger

 

Yeah exactly! Then I can finally upgrade and have an internal backup of all my data and wife's and an external one too. Happy days!

 

I could have sworn I read somewhere were some SSD was selling enterprise SSDs @ 2TB and not to be consumer available.

 

there are actually a couple of models but one of them I remember uses a Dual SF-2281 implementation over internal RAID0. Really crappy speeds though, HDD like sequential with access times of an SSD, the m500 is far superior.

 

Unfortunately, there is no evidence to point to the likelihood of that. In fact, its more likely the peak has already been reacehed and will diminish from here on.

 

See here: matt komorowski
and here: Would you pay $7,260 for a 3 TB drive? Charting HDD and SSD prices over time
and here: $1/GB SSD Arrives
regarding price per gigabyte. SSDs are following a very similar, and possibly slightly accelerated, drop in prices when compared to hard drives. They are also following a much more rapid increase in transfer speed. A typical notebook hard drive has increased performance by roughly 5x in the last 10 years, whereas commercially-available SSDs have increased performance by 10-20x in the same time period. Both these trends point to SSDs becoming increasingly more attractive options as time progresses (until something better comes along).

 

You know they made like a 12TB hdd with SALT right? there was an article floating around for a while a year or so ago. THey found sodium allowed them to make finer density platters just not sure if they figured out how to put that in to production.

 

Hello,
Going back to the original topic of this thread,
does anyone have find yet where to buy the new
HGST Travelstar 5K1500 ?
Thanks,
Gilles

 

Seems to be Vaporware so far...............

 

YES PLEASE!

 

You can buy it here from Amazon Japan. If your in the US I'd say its only a short matter of time before it shows up.

 

Would you mind providing a link? Can't find it at amazon.co.jp...

 

THIS site claims to have it, though I'm not sure about their trustworthiness. Comes with a 2.5" drive slip (like you'd put a external hard drive in), and a 3 year warranty.

And it takes a month to ship