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    2.5" / 9.5mm hard drives OVER 1TB

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by spandexninja, Dec 21, 2012.

  1. TBoneSan

    TBoneSan Laptop Fiend

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    Here is the link. I was mistaken. Its from Rakuten Japan. Thats about US$140 at the moment.
     
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    And expensive, although it is nice to see price per gb on ssds dropping.

    I just placed my order for this Newegg.com - Hitachi GST Travelstar 0S03563 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 2.5" Internal Notebook Hard Drive
    along with this ADATA XPG SX300 ASX300S3-64GM-C Solid State Drive - Newegg.com
    Ill use the msata as a caching drive for quicker boot/shutdown times and speedier windows performance, and the reviews on the hitachi indicate it is the best HDD available for the size.
     
  4. cdoublejj

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    How does the Hitachi compare to a WD10JPVT? My laptop only has 1 internal sata port.
     
  5. Diamondback Six

    Diamondback Six Notebook Geek

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    Well, I noticed that WD has a 7mm 1TB two-platter for slimmer notebooks... check out the WD10SPCX ( Untitled Page )

    So, if they can do that with TWO platters, logically if they so chose with a little development they could easily do a three-platter 1.5TB. ESPECIALLY since right now their subsidiary HGST ALREADY HAS... Check out the Travelstar 5K1500, 1.5TB in a 9.5mm case but only doing 5400rpm.
    Travelstar 5K1500 | HGST, a Western Digital company

    If you like your drives faster, they also have the 7K1000, a 1TB at 7200rpm. Travelstar 7K1000 | HGST Storage Also a 10K-rpm 1.2TB enterprise drive, but it's another 15mm... if I had a laptop that could take 15mm's I'd plop a WD 2TB in one slot and the Hitachi 1.2 @ 10K into the other... then again, what would be the point of the 10K on a dual-HDD PLUS dual-mSATA system (say, Sager NP8275 or NP9380) when I could put the speed-critical stuff on an SSD and add another terabyte?
     
  6. TBoneSan

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    Like a mentioned above, there is also a Hitachi 9.5mm 1.5TB out now. It's 5400 rpm though.
     
  7. cdoublejj

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    and then the drives would over heat and die because they are made for sever environments. .... then again reduced load, cut a hole in the bottom of the laptop for the drive to poke through and using thin ribbons of some sort to strap it in, it might work.
     
  8. cdoublejj

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    i have heard there have been cases of Credit Card Info theft on Ratuken lately. Also if it's out now then hopefully there is a 7200 version around the corner in late 2013.
     
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    Dusk Star Notebook Consultant

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    Too slow for video editing, but should be great as a storage drive.
     
  11. cdoublejj

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    what do you consider fast enough?
     
  12. widezu69

    widezu69 Goodbye Alienware

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    For those with an abundance of money, how about 4x 1.5TB HGST 5k1500 in a Drobo Mini:

    Drobo Mini

    6TB will net you about 5TB with single disk redundancy. Seems good for a reasonably portable array back up :)
     
  13. JKnows

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    Why cannot manufacturers increase 500GB/platter density since 2011?
     
  14. superparamagnetic

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    Physics. Specifically the superparamagnetic effect.

    PMR is near the limits of what densities it can theoretically achieve. Another technology needs to be developed to to move past that. We may see 667GB or even 750GB/platter with PMR, but probably nothing beyond that. Pressure from SSDs also means that companies are investing less in R&D so I wouldn't hold your breath for increased platter density any time soon.
     
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    I thought the issue now with 2.5inch drives is minaturization of the complex head assemblies needed to read ultra dense platters. IIRC, 3.5inch drives have had 1tb platters for a while now but the support hardware needed was difficult to minaturize.
     
  16. cdoublejj

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    They made a recent break through with sodium not to long ago, with in the past 3 years.

    that sounds about right.
     
  17. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

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    According to Drobo it would be about 4TB storage with single disk redundancy.

    The thing I don't like about Drobo is the proprietary file system. Someone I know had his Drobo fail on him. The only way he could access the data is if he bought another Drobo.

    And it's not that portable. It is still a decent size and requires a separate AC plug and adapter. That setup will cost you $1000 with the four 1.5TB HDD's. If you don't need portable for that money you can buy a nice NTFS 4-bay Smart NAS with 3TB hard drives, or build your own WHS, and get 2-3 times the storage. And be able to pull your drives and access the data. Plus have remote access to your data from anywhere.
     
  18. superparamagnetic

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    A 3.5 inch platter has about twice as much area as a 2.5 inch platter, so in terms of areal density a 3.5" 1TB platter is equivalent to a 2.5" 500GB platter. We'll see >500GB/platter on 2.5" drives when we see >1TB/platter on 3.5" drives.
     
  19. JKnows

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    I read some older articles on the web and found about HAMR technology, which was expected by 2012 in commercial products. Evidently something went wrong, because today we are in 3rd quarter of 2013 and these drives not exist yet. Wonder if they deleted the project or just delayed?
     
  20. ruymbeke

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    Hello,
    Amazon have the "HGST Travelstar 5K1500 2.5-Inch Mobile 5400 RPM 9.5mm Internal Bare Hard Disk Drives 0J28001"
    for $150 but as of now there is only 16 left... (I am actually surprised that Newegg does not have it yet...)
    Cheers,
    Gilles
     
  21. King of Interns

    King of Interns Simply a laptop enthusiast

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    I will be years before a 2TB SSD is $150 dollars! Sad news if they don:t release a 9.5mm 2TB HDD soon.
     
  22. ex.treme

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    I'm still waiting for 2 TB 2.5 9,5 mm drive. We can buy Hitachi 5k1500 in Germany ebay for 110 Eur, but it is only 50% bigger than my 1 Tb drive..
     
  23. Krane

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    This is like asking why can't they make cars that go 500 mph? Answer: they can. But it would 1) be enormous; 2) cost a fortune; 3) burn fuel like there's no tomorrow; 4) be the size of a semi and finally, 5) require a team of engineers to maintain it. Would you want to own that?

    Simply stated, it the rule of diminishing return. They work on a technology until it peaks, and then they start working on the switch to something else. We are in that transition now.
     
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    That's going to be a long wait my friend, currently Hitachi 5K1500 is the biggest 9.5mm drive and to wait for something bigger internally would take another 6 months at the least.

    Personally I wouldn't go for anything with over two platters on a hard drive with the exception of the 5K1500 which had three platters but has a feature called "dual stage actuator for track miss registration improvements that aid in data integrity and reliability", it also has 32mb cache and is spinning at 5400 rpm (the faster the disk rotation the less reliable with more platters than two platters).

    Currently the 5K1500 is quite expensive and only worth upgrading if you really need the hard drive space, personally I'd wait until they release a Touro Mobile USB 3.0 version of the 5K1500 and drop the price before I'd get one.
     
  26. ex.treme

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    Nemix77: That is not good news. I need more space on my internal drive. I don't like moving and managing with external drive :)
    I thinking about 5K1500, but in our country is n/a. Near where i can buy is Germany. And like you said, it's very expensive upgrade. From 1 TB to 1.5 TB will cost me about 100 $.
    I would like do upgrade directly to 2 TB 9.5 mm drive. Also is another choice, remove SSD from second bay and replace with 5k1500, but i like SSD speed :)
     
  27. Nemix77

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    IMHO the 7K1000 1TB and the new WD Blue Slim 1TB (5400rpm, 7mm) drives are the two best drives out on the market right now if you're looking for hard drives 1TB and over.

    The WD Blue Slim is just as fast as a 7K1000 but it's dead silent 20dba/21dba from WD's specs, it's also more expensive when compared to a 7K1000.

    If you can get a caddy for your laptop and put your SSD into the ODD slot (with caddy) and then get two WD Blue Slim 1TB's and run them in RAID 0, you'll have the best performance/storage space/silent hard drives on the market period!
     
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    there is also a 7200 rpm 1tb 2.5" 9mm drive but, i don't think it's a WD.
     
  29. jgstew

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    I ordered a HGST Travelstar 1.5TB 9.5mm drive here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EDIU5IW?tag=j1105-20

    Working well so far in the optical bay of a 13in MacBook Pro with an OWC Data Doubler, but I do wish I could have purchased a similar or larger sized hybrid hard drive instead. The new Seagate 1TB Hybrid Hard Drive was not going to cut it since I had already filled a 750GB version too quickly.

    I also wish I would have ordered these for my Drobo Mini instead of the 750GB Momentus XT, which did not perform well with it.
     
  30. Atom Ant

    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    The time has finally arrived, 2 TB 2.5" 9,5 mm drive is real;

    Samsung Spinpoint M9T Mobile Hard Drive

    They slammed three 666GB platters into the design. Hope this mean 1332GB 7mm drives are coming too :rolleyes:...
     
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    As impressive an engineering feat that is, I can't help but wonder how much it will affect power consumption.
     
  32. King of Interns

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    Fantastic! I can finally upgrade!
     
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    is it 5400 rpm? if so maybei can hold out fora 7200 rpm version.
     
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    Yeah, it's still 5400rpm. Remember though that sequential read and write speeds will still be excellent - comparable to if not better than a 10000rpm 1TB drive. And for someone with a SSD primary drive, who'd be using this for mass storage... I really don't care what the random read times are.

    Data sheet for those of you who may be interested.
     
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    Holly , I can finally upgrade!
     
  36. cdoublejj

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    well my only chance at an SSD is an express card SSD, also don't' those reads and writes go down once drive is mostly/almost full? my 1 Tb has like 125 free gb left.

    also is newegg or amazon selling it yet? (didn't see any thing on newegg yet)
     
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    I have been waiting for a 2 Tb drive! I plan on replacing my scorpio black 750 if price is fair
     
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    you know what make us froth at the mouth? a 7200 rpm hybrid drive version.
     
  39. King of Interns

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    What for? Surely an SSD plus 2TB standard drive combo is better :)
     
  40. cdoublejj

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    the Acer 5920G only has 1 HDD slot. specially if you want to keep the optical disc drive. the only solution i know of is an express card SSD and those are really pricey.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161554
     
  41. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    And non bootable, at least not by default. Maybe with some sort of loader. Anyway, I'm expecting WD, or precisely their HGST division to jump in before I buy. What do you think guys, with this helium technology could we get 3 plater drive with 1GB per plate?
     
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    unless we figured out a way to put some sort of mini mata SSD in side via soldering that other sata port in our 5920s it's either a Expresscard ssd via load on internal hhd, or just plain old internal hdd.

    also there was a break through with salt that had some sort of effect on the density.
     
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    I wouldn't hold my breath for the helium drives. Get it? Ok, I will let my self out. Serriously though, it is unproven technology. So it may fail soon even though it has a five year warranty. And the benefits may be over rated. I find it best for others to be hardware beta testers.

    As for regular drives, I also am waiting for the 7200rpm version.

    Salty hard drives were announced two years ago http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/10/hard-drive-space-salt/ Who knows how long it will take to come to market.
     
  44. Dorian Gray

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    I wouldn't hold my breath for that either. There has been a slowdown in 7200 RPM introductions, probably because the high-performance dollars are now being spent on SSDs. Seagate even announced it would entirely abandon 7200 RPM mobile drives by the end of the year.

    The largest 7200 RPM 2.5-inch drives are stuck at 1 TB (Travelstar 7K1000). The largest Scorpio Black is still at 750 GB (and still sounds like a jet engine, but that's a separate complaint… ;).
     
  45. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    Time will tell, although it seems that indeed 7200 RPM is pretty much gone. As for the drives, I don't know what you mean, I have both and there is pretty much 0 difference.
     
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    I hope 7200 RPM drives won't completely disappear. The last man standing (HGST) might get enough sales to make it worthwhile to continue to invest in the technology.

    If you work with large files (e.g. video, photos, etc.) you need a huge amount of storage and you want high sequential transfer speeds. In this scenario SSDs are prohibitively expensive and their main performance advantage – very low random access times – is wasted. 7200 RPM disk drives are the sensible choice here.

    I have the 7K750, 7K1000 and Black, and I've had other 7200 RPM 2.5" drives over the years. My old 60 GB 7K100 was very noisy, but in the last few years 7K Travelstars have consistently been quiet. The 750 GB WD Black is a lot noisier – and the noise is an irritating 'whooshing' sound that is tiring to listen to. Maybe it's less noticeable if it's buried inside a large laptop computer.
     
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    The press release claimed it was available immediately but i can't find the samsung m9t for sale anywhere
     
  48. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    The following statement from the linked article does not compute, by my calculations:

    "Right now, the highest density HDDs have an areal density of around 750 gigabits per inch, but HAMR could expand this out to a whopping 4 terabits per inch. To you and me, this means we could see 60TB drives within the next couple of years."

    I 'only' get about 20 TB. And "inch" must be square inch, of course.
     
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