4980hq BGA to rPGA processors

Probably stock for system managed 7700k, not something with throttlestop or some other equivalent.

Either way, punching up is always fun

 

i was talking stock stock, not "papusan stock"

 

Depends how they test, what bios version was used etc. And as well if they have the skills (I mean the reviewers)

https://hothardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-7700k-and-z270-chipset-review?page=6

 

Then let's just say jaybee fat fingered and meant to say 6700k lol

Either way I've got plans for the heatsink it's just a matter of time. If we can get the cpu to play nice in the ranger I would be very relieved and excited lol

Don't know if overclocking the memory will be able to net me those 50 points though, never done it on a laptop before.

 

Yeah you kill stock 6700K

50 points will be hard target to reach with only oc'd ram.
I'm not sure it's possible with such a big leap with DDR3 for older Mobile. But you will probably get a ok increase in scores if you compare not the best vs. fastest sticks possible for your laptop.

Here is some bench info for DDR4 with 8700K

Intel i7-8700K Coffee Lake Memory Benchmark Analysis

 

Yeah its going to be tough since ill basically have to mod the XMP profile as BIOS ram OC doesnt actually do anything iirc

 

huh? who told u that @Bios ram oc doesnt do anything

btw, also depends on chipset apparently: https://www.computerbase.de/2017-01...e-i7-7700k-i5-7600k/2/#diagramm-cinebench-r15

962 cb15 on Z170 at stock from a reputable german review site. but true, still not beating the 7700k at 955 cb15, i remembered it incorrectly

btw, i maxed out at 1125 cb15 at 5.1 ghz

Sent from my Xiaomi Mi Max 2 (Oxygen) using Tapatalk

 

Didn't do anything on my ranger but I may just need to try out the other portion.

One section is just for changing the ram speed but the other that becomes available in the unlocked bios is for timings and speed iirc. Messing with the ram speed didn't change anything but I didn't spend too much time with it because it as the stock kit and I planned to replace it with what I now have.

It runs 1.35v but I want to look into changing that to 1.5v or 1.65v for a higher overclock.

 

Haswell loves high clocked RAM, but L4 cache comes at the price of a IMC that doesn't play well with highly clocked RAM. Kinda a Ryzen situation in a way.

 

Then we push for tighter timings on the ram.

My i7 4980hq arrived, going to eat first, then get my ranger posting (doesnt want to post eDP, maybe a bad cable). Then I will try installing the i7 4980hq provided its in good shape.

EDIT: CPU pins are just fine, physically CPU appears to be completely as desired.

Now to get my Ranger posting lol

EDIT2: Ranger is posting, turns out the eDP cable was bad. Probably removed it too many times and one of the leads broke. Installed the backup and where up and running with the 1070, just need to mod the INF.

Testing the i7 4980hq in just a moment.

EDIT3: Ranger does not post with the i7 4980hq. I think that it will need the microcode inserted into the BIOS for it to work. But that is my best guess based on other reading of others experience with the chip.

 

@Papusan @Mr. Fox @Ashtrix

Would you guys be able to put me in the direction of who has the proper skills to insert Crystalwell microcode into the Rangers BIOS?

Thanks!

 

Calling @Prema

Do you know someone that could possibly slip in the Crystalwell Microcode into the Ranger sBIOS?

Thanks!

 

@TheReciever Apologies for the slow reply, I'll look at this over next few days see if I can help.

Javers

 

Hey no problem man, I just live on here so time doesnt pass as quickly lol. I've got plenty of things to work on in the mean time to kill time so no rush. Just wanted to get someone in the know to see if its plausible.

If not, there is always the t440p Ive been eyeing for a while and it claims to be a drop in upgrade (with the loss of mDP though). There is precedent of it working on reddit and some of the thinkpad forums which is odd because Lenovo loves to whitelist everything.

Thanks for taking a look!

 

Ok taken a quick look, and if ive got it right (as you suspected) the Ranger bios does not include any microcode for CPUID 40661. Below is a version of my original A14+ with Microcode rev 1B for Crystalwell added.

Completely untested so have recovery method on standby! But fingers crossed it boots for you. If successful, we should pull together all the other mods / great work people have done to the Ranger bios since it was unlocked

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnQkhyPppV58iug7x2SOZQYuGwHg4w?e=9KQGAx

Javers

 

Yeah I had something like that made (compilation of mods, that is) but it was lost when I was mistakenly banned from the forums.

Im going to get some food in me and review the recovery method here on the forum and then give a shot.

Cant thank you enough Javers!

Would you have any idea why the t440p is basically plug n play with the 4980hq?

Got the recovery method ready, and replaced the bios.bin file.

Just working up the courage now

EDIT: flash was completed successfully, shutting down and installing the 4980hq

All or nothing

 

Any updates?

 

failed POST with 4980hq, 4 beeps. Which I think means motherboard failure? I dropped the 4930mx back in rebooted no issue.

Im guessing its going to be a little more involved than a microcode injection.

@javers
Maybe you could take a look at the t440p BIOS and see if anything in there might give a clue? I looked into picking one up just to put the 4980hq into in case it ultimately fails with the Ranger and found that for those that it worked with, it was a drop in upgrade.

The last thing to consider is that the CPU was simply DOA as well but no way to tell that one presently...

 

Yup will do, I've also just noticed the rangers successor (although bga) did come with the option of the 4980hq so i'll take a look at its sBIOS too see if that gives any clues.

I presume the 4 beeps was exactly the same behavior as without the microcode being loaded?

Javers

 

Yeah wouldn't post the first attempt either but also I had speakers disconnected so not sure of it was 4 beeps or not

 

Alright guys, a small update.

I installed the 4980hq into a t440p laptop I just purchased. It boots and runs Pop_OS just fine no issue in the slightest.

Runs perfectly, so the issue comes down to the Ranger for its use.

 

Going to keep the T440P?

 

Of course, I am going to get familiar with Linux and C++ using it, its why I got it. I meant to install the 4700mq that I had sitting in the closet but figured I would give the 4980hq another shot and presto, 10 minutes later the t440p is running no issues.

 

So with the 4980hq I am able to play Stellaris and CoH2 pretty well on the 720p panel. I have the 1080p LG IPS panel ordered so I will test again when it gets here.

This is mostly going to be a typewriter / l2code / KDE orientation machine but since I am using the 4980hq vs the 4700mq a little gaming seems to be on the table for some of the lighter stuff.

 

So it seems that the CPU isnt wired for mDP output via its platform.

Would this prevent the Ranger from booting? It would surprise me to need a headless mDP adapter to pass post for a CPU lol

 

Ok that's good to know - I'll try and take another look at this soon. Maybe we need more than just microcode and there's some modules that are going to need injecting / replacing. Hopefully the known working sBios of the t440p will have the answer.

Javers

 

Its worth noting that none of these processors output mDP thus far. I dont think it should matter for the Ranger as most of us use dGPU for our I/O but just wanted to make sure its out there...

 

Hi @TheReciever

Had a bit of free time on my hands recently, so been looking at this again. No real progress to report but below is a comparison of the t440p bios and the version for the aw17 I tried making for you.

Code:

BIOS platform - InsydeH2O

        [EFI  Drivers - Find and Extract]
Intel RST GUID 382F560D-17A9-4887-BD9C-EB439C1CC482
Intel GOP GUID 7755CA7B-CA8F-43C5-889B-E1F59A93D575
Lx Killer GUID 62EB36E4-61DC-4861-9451-45AB2D3EFABA
Intel GOP VBT GUID 878AC2CC-5343-46F2-B563-51F89DAF56BA

        [OROM  - Find and Extract]
VBIOS in GUID 8DFAE5D4-B50E-4C10-96E6-F2C266CACBB6
OROM in GUID 4C316C9A-AFD9-4E33-AEAB-26C4A4ACC0F7
OROM in GUID 501737AB-9D1A-4856-86D3-7F1287FA5A55
Press any key to continue . . .

                      Main Menu
            [Current version in BIOS file]
1 - Disk Controller
     EFI Intel RST for SATA      - 12.9.0.2006
2 - Video OnBoard
     EFI GOP Driver Haswell      - 5.0.1037
     RAW GOP VBT HASWELL         - 176
     FFS-OROM VBIOS HASWELL Version 2178
3 - Network
     EFI Lx Killer Undi          - 1.0.0.5
4 - Other SATA Controller
5 - CPU MicroCode
     View/Extract/Search/Replace
O - Other Option ROM in FFS
0 - Exit
RS - Re-Scanning
A - About

╔═════════════════════════════════════════╗
║        MC Extractor v1.40.0 r137        ║
╚═════════════════════════════════════════╝
╔══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗
║                              Intel                               ║
╟─┬─────┬────────────┬────────┬──────────┬────┬──────┬────────┬────╢
║#│CPUID│Platform ID │Revision│   Date   │Type│ Size │ Offset │Last║
╟─┼─────┼────────────┼────────┼──────────┼────┼──────┼────────┼────╢
║1│306C2│ 32 (1,4,5) │FFFF0006│2012-10-17│PRE │0x5800│0x2A2000│Yes ║
╟─┼─────┼────────────┼────────┼──────────┼────┼──────┼────────┼────╢
║2│40660│ 32 (1,4,5) │FFFF0011│2012-10-12│PRE │0x6400│0x2A7800│Yes ║
╟─┼─────┼────────────┼────────┼──────────┼────┼──────┼────────┼────╢
║3│40650│72 (1,4,5,6)│FFFF000B│2012-12-06│PRE │0x5800│0x2ADC00│Yes ║
╟─┼─────┼────────────┼────────┼──────────┼────┼──────┼────────┼────╢
║4│306C3│ 32 (1,4,5) │   22   │2017-01-27│PRD │0x5800│0x2B3400│ No ║
╟─┼─────┼────────────┼────────┼──────────┼────┼──────┼────────┼────╢
║5│40661│ 32 (1,4,5) │   1B   │2019-02-26│PRD │0x6400│0x2B8C00│ No ║
╚═╧═════╧════════════╧════════╧══════════╧════╧══════╧════════╧════╝

Code:

BIOS platform - PhoenixSCT

        [EFI  Drivers - Find and Extract]
Intel GOP GUID 28B5A45C-CC5D-4221-9DFF-86B0F42DDC01
Intel 1Gb GUID 79F90154-83F4-478C-80BF-878AC32E0A2C
Intel GOP VBT GUID 6047B8EC-6D17-45C0-9BCF-63D164B41AB3

        [OROM  - Find and Extract]
VBIOS in GUID 29206FC2-9EAB-4612-ACA1-1E3D098FB1B3
VBIOS in GUID 0AFCDD7A-345E-415E-926D-C5971B580400
VBIOS in GUID 8AAAD659-AE13-4ED5-BA64-ACE28292275B
VBIOS in GUID B92457DF-2DD1-42B1-8B78-4C7C8C7876E1
OROM in GUID 6048B8EC-6D17-45C0-9BCF-63D164B41AB3
Press any key to continue . . .

                      Main Menu
            [Current version in BIOS file]
1 - Disk Controller
2 - Video OnBoard
     EFI GOP Driver Haswell      - 5.0.1032
     RAW GOP VBT HASWELL         - 170
     FFS-OROM VBIOS HASWELL Version 2179
     FFS-OROM VBIOS HASWELL Version 2171
3 - Network
     EFI Intel PRO1000 UNDI      - 5.5.19
4 - Other SATA Controller
5 - CPU MicroCode
     View/Extract/Search/Replace
O - Other Option ROM in FFS
0 - Exit
RS - Re-Scanning
A - About


╔═════════════════════════════════════════╗
║        MC Extractor v1.40.0 r137        ║
╚═════════════════════════════════════════╝
╔═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗
║                              Intel                              ║
╟─┬─────┬───────────┬────────┬──────────┬────┬──────┬────────┬────╢
║#│CPUID│Platform ID│Revision│   Date   │Type│ Size │ Offset │Last║
╟─┼─────┼───────────┼────────┼──────────┼────┼──────┼────────┼────╢
║1│306C1│ 32 (1,4,5)│FFFF0013│2012-06-14│PRE │0x6000│0x2B13E8│ No ║
╟─┼─────┼───────────┼────────┼──────────┼────┼──────┼────────┼────╢
║2│306C2│ 32 (1,4,5)│FFFF0006│2012-10-17│PRE │0x5800│0x2B73E8│Yes ║
╟─┼─────┼───────────┼────────┼──────────┼────┼──────┼────────┼────╢
║3│306C3│ 32 (1,4,5)│   27   │2019-02-26│PRD │0x5C00│0x2BCBE8│ No ║
╚═╧═════╧═══════════╧════════╧══════════╧════╧══════╧════════╧════╝

What strikes me as odd is that GOP, VBIOS modules etc in the AW17 are all newer than those in the T440p and oddly the T440p doesnt have microcode in it for cpuid 40661, so really not sure how that can boot the 4980hq at all! Unless maybe the took some of the microcode out in the latest bios (attached detail is for v2.54).

Can you recall which bios version youve had the processor working with in the t440p?

Javers

 

Not of the top of my head but I can check later today when I'm not using the laptop for work

 

Is the Ranger using an AMI bios?

Btw link is not working. Anyone got a current link?

All I'm finding is the desktop socket versions .

 

Supply is no longer available, the chips were mostly pulled from dead macbooks IIRC

I still have one in my t440p but Im probably going to sell it if my 4700mq still works. I dont need this chip in my t440p.

 

After looking at a block diagram of the Ranger, looks like eDP port is still wired to the iGPU. Seems that could be a problem due to the iGPU not having its DP lanes wired improperly in the 4980HQ. If you want to try again (I don't think you will want to but hey) try a LVDS screen or booting to the HDMI port.

 

I've seen them on ebay a few times, they seem interesting if the price is right. Linus has a video about them, but with the newer ones (7820HK iirc).

 

Can now confirm that the 4980hq works in the E6540, so I suspect the earlier test of the E6440 was just a lemon.

Currently reinstalling Windows 10 at the moment. I would try other OSes but the bandwidth at my current location is rather lacking.

Felt like giving it a go since I came across an E6540 with the 8790m for fr99.

 

Can confirm the following thus far.

4980hq works currently in the following:

T440p
E6440
E6540
M6800

M6800 was tested this last weekend, Precision is proving to be annoying at the moment. Will continue to test until I get Windows installed and see what I can push on the CPU in that platform.

 

Hey, I’ve just moved my 4980hq from T440p to M4800 and I’m just getting fan spin for 3 seconds and no post, also the status LEDs are white, and the battery LED is flashing white.
Any idea?

 

Nope, never tested in the M4800 never had the chance to.

Try removing some RAM

 

Ahh okay, I figured the M6800 should have identical compatibility right, thanks for your reply btw.
I reassembled it with the original 4810MQ and it is quite the ball ache to swap CPUs around. So I will try this again when my Quadro T1000 arrives.
What did you have to do to get it running on your M6800? Which BIOS version and was the Crystal well microcode insertion required?

 

No mods of any kind were attempt on that system, it still resides in the system until I find a P157SM-A on the cheap to try it out with as I am not a fan of Dell as much as I used to be.

Not sure on the BIOS version, will have to get back to you on that one.

 

Ahh ok i see, what do you dislike about the Dells?

Thanks, let me know when you can, I've just updated to the latest BIOS version hopefully that fixes my problem next time I try installing it

Also, is your M6800 the eDP or LVDS variant?

 

Take a deap dive into the madness How Dell cripple performance explained by....

 

The Alienware 17 R1, or at the very least the one I had wouldnt go past 118w on the MXM slot, also could never get the 4980hq working in the R1 either so my dreams of a last hurrah of a DDR3 system fell short quite a bit. I do still like Dell machines of that era as parts are very plentiful which was the only reason for going with them over the P157SM-A which can be more expensive/harder to find parts at times. More importantly at the time though I was using the built-in screen as the main so if I didnt like the keyboards layout I generally write off the laptop altogether.

My M6800 is the LVDS variant, probably going to sell it as a barebones here soon, have a couple of things to test first before I do but otherwise I need to let it go. Keeping the CPU though, I still want to give that project another shot with the P5200 which falls under MXM 3.1b dimensions. If I find a system on the cheap and not servicing my car lol.

I would advise against updating to the latest, security patches tend to hurt the CPU performance by up to 15% in the worst of cases but typically was 5% to 10% from what I can recall.

 

Thanks man, I'll check it out

Ahh, understandable, thanks for sharing. This M4800 is my first Dell, I really like it tbh. These laptops are so well built and if this 4980HQ + T1000 setup works I will have no reason to switch for a while
Any idea why the 4980HQ couldn't work in the R1?
In regards to bios version, I guess I will try downgrading to something prior to January 2018 (Spectre/Meltdown) if I can. Good call man

 

Have a nice ride

Don't forget Delete mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll in windows 10 (newer Windows version means newer microcode will be added) http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-1230#post-11054133

 

I personally really like the keyboards on the M6800 and older models, and are pretty sturdy due to their denser exteriors. That being said, an absolute pain to work on due to the inverted board layout.

Could be a couple of things, one thing could be chipset. It might have worked under SG/Optimus mode but thats not a means I consider for a primary laptop due to its shortcomings. The other could be due to the CPU not supporting Displayport signals due to the adapters design. While it wouldnt be used anyways under PEG/dGPU mode perhaps it might still check for it during POST.

Who knows, thats one of the reasons at some point I plan to get a P157SM-A as that laptop functions only under Optimus mode. A P157SM-A, 4980hq and P5200. It should make for an interesting combination which is the only reason I am drawn to it. Luckily for now Ether mining has drawn my focus but that wont last forever.

 

Ahh thank you very much, I never knew about this mcupdate thing. I'll do it tonight

agreed, after switching from a ThinkPad to this M4800 the sturdiness and keyboard are honestly impressive in comparison. i have never used a laptop that feels this reliable and solid. I'm sure your m6800 feels like an absolute beast of a unit.
That clevo looks pretty cool, one of the better looking 4th gen pga laptops, I personally couldn't because it has no trackpoint I look forward to seeing this 4980hq+p5200 build though. gotta show us 3dmark results if you do it

 

Someday yeah I might get around to it, maybe beginning next year or something who knows lol

 

Looks like my 4980HQ has finally died. It was working fine in my ThinkPad then I tried putting it back in the M4800 with various RAM configurations and it did not boot again with the same symptoms: indicator lights white with battery indicator flashing white. I then moved it back to my ThinkPad T440p and it failed to boot Windows properly and hasn't been able to get beyond that. I can use the BIOS but OSes do not load. I've tried removing RAM. Any ideas?

 

Dunno, I would probably reinstall windows

 

Kept crashing on the Windows usb installer and hanging on the windows boot screen, it can only really navigate through the bios. It passes the lenovo CPU diagnostic tests but hangs at 0% on the memory tests so I assume there is an issue with the CPU's memory controller..? I used memtest86 and it just crashes when put through CPU testing

RIP lived a good life february 2019 - october 2021