AMD have launched Mobile Kaveri with FX-7600P leading the pack

It doesn't have 270 that's just the dual graphics, the dGPU is just an underwhelming R5 230 but the R7 GPU in the FX 7600P is much faster than anything in the 8700 series.

 

To be fair, it's an Acer. I wouldn't set the bar too high for them with any brand of CPU, be it AMD, Intel, or VIA.

Is this the picture you were talking about with the bump?



I'm okay with it if that's it. It wouldn't stop me from buying it.

Wait, now I'm confused. The dedicated one is the 230 and the integrated one is the 270? Since when did an integrated GPU have a higher model number than a dedicated one in the same series? It kind of raises the question of what the point of the low-end dedicated one is. To pair with low-end Intel GPUs with very weak integrated graphics perhaps?

 

No the 270DX is dual graphics (aka crossfire), the R7 in FX-7600P has no name but it would be slightly faster than R7 265 and almost twice as fast as R5 230, it should perform similar to 8770M which even has GDDR5 memory.
As for why use the weak GPU that is the R5 230 is I would guess the lower end A8-7200P would get a nice boost from Dual Graphics. I wouldn't even bother turning on Dual Graphics on FX-7600P, you would be lucky to get a slight performance improvement in some cases yet the frame output will be inconsistent.
The perfect dual graphics combination with FX 7600P would be R7 265 (combined name R7 275DX).

 

Good day! I could tell that this is not the _first_ FX-7600P laptop that has surfaced.
I have been monitoring the situation with FX-7600P for a month. ASUS X550ZE has appeared just yesterday.
However, at German warehouses and other European stores, there're already 4 MSI models with FX-7600P

1) GX60-5CD81FD (0016FL-SKU2) -- about €900 -- 39.6 cm (15.6") screen, Free DOS , DVD-SuperMulti
2) GX60-5CD16H11 (0016FL-SKU1) -- about €1100 -- 39.6 cm (15.6") screen, Win 8.1 , DVD-SuperMulti
3) GX70-5CD81FD (00176L-SKU2) -- about €1000 -- 43.9 cm (17.3") screen, Free DOS , Blu-ray Writer
4) GX70-5CD8H11B (00176L-SKU1) -- about €1200 -- 43.9 cm (17.3") screen, Win 8.1 , Blu-ray Writer

Prices are approximate, and could be lower in your country if you have lower taxes.

These specifications are the same for all models:

* AMD FX 7600P APU
* AMD Radeon R9 M290X discrete GPU with 2 GB VRAM
* Full HD screen with resolution 1920x1080
* Hybrid storage: 1 TB 7200 rpm hard drive together with 128 GB solid state drive
* WLAN 802.11n , Bluetooth 4.0 , Webcam

More technical details could be seen under this Facebook post:
https://www.facebook.com/gamingmsi/posts/746255912104913


(click on picture to enlarge)

According to my information, they would be selling them in 1-2 weeks if nothing changes...

P.S. If you want to see it with your own eyes, you could visit Cyberport.de website ,
type FX7600P in search bar, search and open laptops in new tab, then use Google Translate for links.
Some websites have quietly removed these leaks from their online listings though

 

I am glad that MSI has decided to make a version with Free DOS,
that will help to save a lot of money - €200, about 20% of total price :

15.6" with FreeDos costs €900.
15.6" (same hardware as ^^) with Windows costs €1100.
17.3" with FreeDos costs €1000.
17.3" (same hardware as ^^) with Windows costs €1200.

Price difference is always €200. It looks like this Windows is Windows Ultimate.

I would like to get FreeDos GX60-5CD81FD or GX70-5CD81FD. I have no desire to pay anything to Micro$$oft :
not because I am going to pirate Windows, but because I am a Linux guy and prefer fully free software
like this beautiful OS without any closed source elements - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trisquel
Could use those saved €200/whatever to donate to free software developers for their selfless efforts and spent time

P.S. our city government has switched to Linux, and it already helped us to save more than $10 million dollars :
Linux adopters --> Germany

 

Very nice find you guys! Slowly the FX-7600P models are coming. Here's something cool, 32 GB!!! That is awesom, but only 1600? Must be incorrect on MSI.

 

Performance of RAM depends not only on memory frequency, but also on CAS latency.
Those RAM kits which have high frequency (like 1866MHz) also have slow CAS latency like CL11.
Overall performance of 1600MHz CL9 RAM is very close to 1866MHz CL11, if not better!

So, for best performance, I would suggest getting 16GB (2x8GB) memory kits which are:
low voltage (1.35V), 1600MHz _and also_ CL9.

* Kingston - HX316LS9IBK2/16 - about $162
* Corsair - CMSX16GX3M2B1600C9 - about $174

Although Corsair RAM is about 7.5% more expensive in this case, its latency is a bit faster:
full CAS latency values for it are 9-9-9- 24 (vs 9-9-9- 27 of Kingston)

That is going to cause about 5% difference at RAM benchmarks, in my opinion.
Corsair and Kingston are quite similar here in price/performance ratio

 

Actually it's better to go with 1866MHz CL10 ram, but there is also this thing http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-Performance-2133MHz-CMSX16GX3M2B2133C11/dp/B00H33JU3K/ref=sr_1_94?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1411132513&sr=1-94
Corsair Vengeance 16GB DDR3L 2133MHz (Which FX 7600P supports) with 11-11-11-27 timings, and how is it still 1.35V after all that.

 

I see that you are correct: 1866MHz CL10 is ~5% better, and 2133MHz CL11 is ~9% better than 1600MHz.
However, if it is true that memory is going to be downclocked to 1600MHz, I am not sure if the CAS latency would be reduced as well...

For example: you have good 2133MHz CL11, but if description on photo from MSI's report is not a mistake and laptop would downclock it into 1600MHz CL11 memory, it would be significantly slower than its 1600MHz CL9 counterpart.

Please clarify my doubts

 

The only thing about the GX70 is that the GT70 destroys it! AMD mobile CPU's are too much of a joke compared to Intel ones.. Worst idea ever to put them in a gaming laptop..

 

Too late, a m290x with a huge bottleneck with that fx 7600p is no match for a i5+860m or i7+860m, what is more, what would happen when Nvidia launches the 960m?

 

You are just wrong man, FX 7600P is as fast as a dual core I7 in well threaded applications, it's the quad core i7s that it can't compete with, but i5 + 860m doesen't stand a chance.

 

Yes, you have said it, as fast as a dual core i7, and that with luck.....which is worse that a i5

 

A10 Pro-7350B 2.1 GHz:

HP EliteBook 745 G2 Notebook Review - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

"AMD's quad-core processor would then be on par with an Intel processor such as the Core i5-4200U. The single-thread performance would still lag behind considerably. The EliteBook's available performance is, however, on the level of a Core i3-4010U processor in total."

If you're playing games that use 1-2 cores, yeah, you'll have some problems.

 

AMD mobile line haven't been updated for a long time, which could have given you an impression that they are always inferior.
Please check the benchmarks of FX-7600P : they are better than a few i7's and many i5's. Much better, if compared to old generation!
Moreover, there are plenty of AMD fans like me who would buy this laptop without hesitation. So it was a successful move by MSI

 

You are realizing that you are comparing a 35W TDP processor (7600p) vs 15W ones? and still struggles to beat them

 

Actually there are comparisons with 37W Intel parts, and although AMD is lagging in a handful of areas, it's not by the amount almost everyone seems to like, e.g. completely useless.

 

Some of the TDP goes to the IGP. Based on the FX 7600p's core count and clock rate, it has a similar or better performance than the Radeon 8750M assuming no TDP throttling or memory bottleneck.

Only the fairly expensive Iris Pro IGPs with the L4 cache can compete. The Iris 5100 (without cache) has a performance similar to a GT 620m, according to notebookcheck.


I would've bought a 13" or 14" with the FX 7600p since I didn't need a dedicated GPU for light gaming, but found Intel's offering underpowered or overpriced (Iris Pro).

However, they were not available back during August, so I had to find a substitute before college started.

 

That is true, but is also true in case of the Intel.

A 840m would perform equal or better and your can pair it with a decent proccessor

 

I'm fairly certain that a 840m (or even an 830m, 25% faster than 730m, which itself is equivalent to Radeon 8750m) and an i7 ULV is going to be a bit more expensive than a single-chip solution.

 

I didn´t talk about ULV; but i5(non ULV)+840m

 

And this is why AMD needs to work with their partners to get products out relatively quickly after the product announcement. Admittedly, we don't know if the problem was the partners dragging their feet, or limited availability on AMD's end and the announcement being unrealistically early. But it's certainly appeared to be slow, and that slowness is costing sales.

 

Or talk to their Radeon board partners to see which one would like to take the AMD reference laptop as a way to get their foot into the laptop market. I think just thinking of this could put pressure on the laptop manufactures to put out a good AMD product else face more competition and would work better then trying to sell themselves under the Radeon brand as their graphics board 3rd parties already have the distribution and contacts needed to run with things. Convincing a 3rd party like XFX to sell the AMD reference laptop with that configuration and then let them derive further models from that would definitely keep the laptop manufacturers from slowing things down unnecessarily.

Of course if the problem is on the chip manufacturing side the only advice is to not dance around for the press so early, let the preview benchmarks and first impressions and the like come out a month before consumer availability, not a season.

 

So it is been about half year past since release, which laptops are available wirh fx7600p APU?

 

I'd also like to know if there are any FX-7600P laptops (without a discrete GPU) available for purchase in UK.
I've considered getting my nephew a laptop which is relatively cheap but still capable for a wide variety of tasks (including gaming), and considering how AMD has HSA supported in Kaveri for future software, etc... I think an APU like this would be perfect for him.

Granted, if there was a much higher HSA support in the professional software community, I'd probably even consider getting Kaveri myself (though for now, I'm opting to get more or less top of the line 15" laptop with a high end GPU such as 970M/980M or possibly an AMD equivalent (I'd rather go with AMD due to Mantle, OpenCL, etc - though the R9 M290X is a rebrand of a rebrand of a rebrand (very old)... on the other hand... it 'might' be more reliable than Nvidia, considering how there have been reports of Nvidia high end series suddenly stopping from working right after the warranty expires.

 

This is a very good point. While it looks like MSI is updating their AMD gaming rig to FX-7600P + dedicated GPU, really, the place where the FX-7600P would shine is on its own. True, the MSI rig will have better graphics, but outside of Vishera on the desktop, AMD's CPUs aren't what you're looking for in a higher-end gaming rig (and even then, Vishera's only really competitive if the games you are playing are much more parallelized than the average game these days - GalCiv3, perhaps). FX-7600P without a dedicated GPU would have better battery life, lower price, and still be pretty adept at gaming. Add a few hundred for the dedicated GPU and such, and it's not such a good deal anymore. After all, no small part of the cost for the FX-7600P is due to its top-of-the-line and way-better-than-anything-Intel-offers-below-$1K graphics, and you're losing out on that value when you add the dGPU.

I am glad to see MSI is updating their AMD gaming rig - there's not a whole lot like it out there - but it isn't my ideal, either. So in the meantime... it's my 7-year-old Intel CPU + nVIDIA GeForce 8 that I'll keep taking to LANs.

 

You're also losing out on battery life/power consumption, heat and weight, it's really only worth it if you're expecting to be working through enough graphics to need both APU and discreet GPU on a regular basis.

Basically the AMD reference laptop was almost exactly what I want, I just hope we'll actually see a sku remotely like that, with particular emphasis on the 1080p screen and the SSD instead of a spinning drive.

 

I am amazed your 8600M GT is still alive! I killed 3 of those back in the day haha! It wasn't powerful then I can't imagine how it fares now? You play only old games?

 

Is not that bad, i can play to Skyrim on minumum at 1440x900 with mi 9650m gt ddr2, which is the same GPU with higher clocks

 

I still use my 9600m GT GDD3 (undervolted of course via vbios).

It's still functional... and quite ok for what I use it for... and no, I don't just do 'old' games on it (well, it depends on what you think of as 'old').

Star Trek Online for instance and Star Wars The Old Republic both play at 'High' settings pretty good on this gpu (when there aren't huge amounts of people gathered around).
Then again, I don't game a lot lately... and most of the newer games I'm not interested in since they don't really offer anything of... well, interest.

Dragon Age: Origin plays quite well on my gpu at high settings and 800p... but can that be seen as an 'old' game given that it's from 2009?
Personally, I don't know.
Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3 all play great on this gpu too... but then again, they aren't too demanding to being with (plus... PC gaming depends upon optimizations - which in this day and age are next to non existent).

Plus, there are various new Indie games that I find myself playing here and there... those are quite new and of pretty good quality... but they don't need high end graphics to run in the first place.
So... whether the games are new or old... my 9600m GT is almost 6 years old now, and it still runs fine (the only thing falling apart is the backlight... which I just confirmed to be the problem today and needs to be replaced - was thinking on putting a LED replacement instead... any ideas on how to do it cheaply?
LCDparts.net seems rather good, but $80 for that conversion does seem a bit... steep (then again, on the other hand, I'd also get a much brighter screen with that which wastes a bit less power and will last a lot longer).

 

The ASUS X550ZE has popped up in a few Canadian retailers, this may be a repeat of that aussie site that had the MSI offering up for a while but at least it gives some pricing ideas for the SKU.

X550ze-dh101-ca W8.1 15.6in A10-7400p 8g - X550ZE-DH101-CA

 

Yeah, I'm (pleasantly) surprised that my original 8600M GT is still alive, too, particularly as it's seen heavy use over the years. Nowadays I primarily game on my desktop. But I do still use the 8600M GT for LANs. There, games primarily intend Civilization 4 (easy to run), Killing Floor (which it usually runs fairly well), and Europa Universalis IV. The latter officially requires a GeForce 8800 or a Radeon X1900 with 512 MB of VRAM. But it does run on my 256 MB 8600M GT. It's not nearly as smooth as on my desktop, but it is playable and I've played many hours of it on my laptop. Ultimately, it's a game where being able to react quickly is not very important.

But it is true that I'm generally not into the very latest games. Gameplay is more important than graphics to me. And there are also financial benefits, best explained by XKCD:



Nevertheless, I am coming close enough to the 8600M GT's limits that I'd very much be interested in an FX-7600P laptop. Since those still aren't available hardly anywhere, I'll probably just overclock the 8600M GT the next time I play EU4.

I used to overclock it back in 2007 and 2008 when it didn't really need it. When I got it, it was actually pretty powerful - the 8700M GT and 7950 GTX were faster, and the 7900 GS about equal, but after those the 8600M GT was the next-fastest card (ATI was not doing so great then). It wasn't until November, 2007 when the 8800M GTX came out that there was a card that was much more powerful available. I stopped OC'ing for the most part after Soldergate, when I figured it probably wouldn't survive until 2010... but considering that it's now late 2014 and it's successfully gone up to 600 MHz core clock before, there's probably not much to be lost by OC'ing now that the performance difference might actually be noticeable.

Yeah, the 9600M GT GDDR3 is probably about 25% faster than my card (which is the DDR2 version of the 8600M GT). Although also prone to Soldergate, at least in some batches, it should be decently capable as long as you aren't too demanding of it. By my reckoning, having looked at benchmarks, an approximate GPU ordering to compare these old cards to recent integrated ones is:

Intel HD 4000 (Ivy Bridge, 2012)
8600M GT (2007)
Intel HD 4400 (Haswell, 2013)
9600M GT (2008)
AMD HD 7620G (Trinity, 2012)
Intel HD 4600 (Hawell, 2013)
-- big gap here --
AMD FX-7600P (Kaveri, 2014)
Intel Iris Pro 5200 (Haswell, 2013)

So we got about 5 years before integrated graphics caught up, and if AMD hadn't decided the future was fusion way back when, it probably would've been 6 or 7 instead. But what it means is that if a developer is making a game in 2014, and want people with 2012 or newer integrated graphics to be able to run it, it probably runs on an 8600M GT as well. So you can get quite a bit of life out of one of these old GPUs if you're okay with decreasing performance as new games come out, and if it doesn't fail early like nVIDIA ones often did back in 2007 - 2009.

But it won't last forever. And neither will Iris Pro being more expensive than I wish to spend (either it will fall in price, or my desire to get better graphics will increase, or both). So even though Iris Pro is only a couple percent better, AMD had better get some FX-7600P laptops out there eventually!

As for the screen backlight... mine also failed before my GPU. I plan to repair it eventually, but I'd already picked up a whole new identical laptop for $125 or so shipped on eBay after accidentally frying the motherboard. So when the screen failed 10-11 months later, I was able to use the screen from the second one, too. It might wind up being cheaper to buy a used copy of your laptop on eBay, salvage the screen, and then part out and sell the rest than buying just the screen. But it probably also would require more time and trips to the post office.

 

Dude I had two dead 8700M GT and now an 8800M GTS in an old HP workstation. I kept them cool, never OC'ed, de-dusted and repasted regularly. How does your card survive for so long. Q _ Q

 

9600m GT doesn't seem to suffer from the same hardware defects the 8xxx series was prone to (some of the 8600m GT cards weren't affected... while majority of the 8xxx series was).

Generally, I clean my laptop regularly, repaste once every 2 years (or once per year), and I keep the system undervolted (plus my GPU is overclocked slightly).

I think it might also depend on how often you use the GPU...

 

Maybe is also because 8600m was 80nm and 9600m/9650m was 65/55, i clean mine at least once a year (normally in may or june to prepare it for summer) 6 years old and still peferctly fine

 

Is it possible to undervolt these old Nvidia cards and how do you do it? Flash a modded vBIOS? I know the C2D can be Dual-IDA overclocked and undervolted in ThrottleStop.

 

Yes, I undervolted my 9600m GT through a bios flash (I've lowered it to 0.89V, and even managed to squeeze about 15% to 20% overclock while undervolted).

There were some issues at the time with undervolting the 8600m GT, but I think others were able to do it.

At any rate, I was thinking on replacing 9600m GT in my laptop with a 240M GT (MXM II).
It would result in roughly 50% performance increase... though, I'm not sure.
For the moment, I'm just messing about with fixing the backlight... I ordered a MATTE screen for my 5930G (made sure it was for my laptop), but alas, it was apparently defective.

 

Deks, GT240M is a nice card, and it runs cooler than 0.89V 9600M GT if I recall correctly. Good luck with your 5930G.

 

Not that I want to derail the thread any further (because I actually do find AMD's HSA prospects intriguing), but I'd like to ask... if I do upgrade to 240M (which would certainly be great because I could easily wait for another 5 or 6 months until AMD releases HBM based gpu's)... would I lose HDMI?
It was stated that a 240M MXM III seems to be plug and play... so, technically, my Acer should support it... though I dunno if HDMI would be affected (its not really critical for me to have, but it can be useful at times).

 

Well the new AMD's GPU's won't work in this.... Its too outdated....So no point waiting.. MXM3.0A been totally left high and dry after the GTX260M was released.. Everyone went to the 3.0B format... You shouldn't lose HDMI but I'd make sure the vBIOS of the 240M is an Acer one to minimise any issues..

 

Deks,

5930G supports MXM2 only; HDMI (and VGA) will work flawlessly. There are some GT240M MXM2 on eBay advertised for 5920G or 5930G, they are definitely compatible.

 

I wasn't mentioning AMD's new GPU's to be used in my Acer 5930G (quite obviously, the MXM interface is II, while most new gpu's are on MXM 3.0.B, plus the C2D cpu is too outdated for that either way).

I mentioned upgrading my Acer 5930G with 240M (MXM II) now because it would provide about 50% more speed in terms of graphics so I can wait another 5 months and buy a NEW state of the art laptop when mobile GPU's with HBM (or stacked memory) come out (because, upgrading to Maxwell would feel a bit underhanded to be honest because we're at a brink of moving away from 'traditional' hardware setup - so I'd prefer to experience a humongous increase in all areas - besides, I'm ok to wait a bit longer for that to come out).

My primary concern about using 240M in 5930G was the possibility of losing HDMI (since I plan to give that laptop to my sister, and she might find HDMI useful) and incompatibility... however, the MXM II version of the GPU should be compatible (as it was already stated), and there's no reason to think HDMI wouldn't work.

 

Magic? Golden chip? I don't know, but I'm not complaining. It did quite well at 600 MHz overclocked for several hours last weekend, and stayed cooler than I expected.

Even if AMD eventually does have an FX-7600P laptop without a dedicated GPU as well, I'll probably keep this laptop awhile just because it's served me so well over the years.

The unfortunate thing is it's come to the place where it's now an "if" they release it, not "when".

 

I'm not holding my breath and neither should anyone else at this point. Rumor has it Carizo (L) is right around the corner anyways (December, yeah right!).

Its obvious Kaveri mobile and Mullins were dead on arrival. Where'd they go? Who knows and why?

 

Hey guys, just joined up because of this thread. Been following this thread since page one, thought I''d pop in and say sadly I've just given up. Bought the Acer V5 with the A8-5557m and no dedicated GPU in it last year when I needed a quick work laptop and was completely blown away by it's gaming performance, It can do 90% of games at 720p in the low to med settings, often with high textures. It does all of this staying cool and at a reasonable price. Well I was really impressed so I thought an FX 7600p without a gpu and with a 1080p screen would be perfect for my own in home streaming and light gaming needs on the go when I'm not on my desktop. The review model looked like the perfect machine for me so I started looking around to buy one....

Well I found you guys and I have to say your tireless work and great knowledge have been a huge help this really is the only source of info on Kaveri Mobile at this stage, the FX 7600p has surely achieved phantom status. Sadly It's become apparent that they aren't going to bother using the 7600p for what it's designed to do or even what they suggested it'd do with the review model. I spent a month emailing Acer back and forth and they had no idea what it was, in the end I got a proper reply when I emailed their CEO who got their research team to get back to me and the answer was they just weren't sure but the 1080p screen was probably a no and the 7600p would likely be put with a gpu.

Well a couple of months later and you guys kept me up to date with what each company was doing with Kaveri Mobile and what they were doing was not much. Oh well, I kept coming back to this thread but that's it for me now, I give up, I don't understand showing a product and not really releasing it. It's no good to me what it can do If I can't get it. I've emailed AMD a lot and most of the companies they work with but I think I'm just going to get something else now, I really like APU's in laptops, I think they work wonderfully for my needs but If you can't get a good one that does what it should it's irrelevant.

Just thought I'd say thanks for the work keeping on top of this and I will definitely use these forums to find the right laptop.

 

Any AMD CPU is DOA... No match for Intel.. And with the graphics advantage AMD had being erroded by intel with iris pro and broadwell, it will be even worse..

 

Phantom status is a good way to put it. Looking back at the sample model, it would be great... FX-7600P, 256 GB SSD, full HD screen, and quite possibly $100-$200 below Iris Pro prices. But indeed, if it never comes out, it doesn't do anyone any good. Four months later, it's natural to have to wave the white flag and find something else that's good instead.

According to what few benchmarks we have, given its phantom status, the FX-7600P is within 5% of the Iris Pro 5200 graphics-wise, but the price is likely $150 - $200 less for the CPU itself (if it were ever actually released). Sure, the CPU side of it is less powerful, but it's a tradeoff I'd be happy to make for a mobile gaming machine, which is pretty much just what I'd want in a new laptop nowadays. But, while Carrizo in December does not seem believeable, it is starting to look like the FX-7600P may not be available, at least by itself and not with a dedicated GPU, until Carrizo replaces it.

No wonder AMD has so many fewer fanboys than Intel if their product launches go like this. I'd expect it to be lower regardless given the differences in CPU performance since the Core 2 Duo came out, but launches like this can't help.

 

As long as AMD keeps the APUs cost competitive, graphic driver development adequate and resolve the memory bandwidth bottleneck, they'll be fine on the graphics side.

On a side note, it's hard to find an Iris Pro laptop that cost less than $1000. Many of them are priced high enough that they're competing against laptops with i5/i7 + dedicated GPU (such as Radeon 8750m, GT 730M or GT 840M).

Notenookcheck noted that the Iris Pro is susceptible to TDP throttling when both the CPU and IGP is stressed. That makes it even harder to compete against dedicated GPUs in its price range.

 

Guess Intel fanboy número uno doesn't know that Kaveri graphics absolutely demolish Iris Pro.

 

I wouldn't go so far to say 'demolish', but definitely 'surpass'... especially at higher resolutions.