AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

It's going to be a big shift but also a big wall for AMD to get over when having notebook partners dish out models for the 4000 series. Hoping to see a huge wave for AMD into the notebook market.

 

AMD mentioned they have 100 laptop designs incoming with Zen 2 mobile.
I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean 100 units of a same design.
Likely different designs spread across several different OEM's (maybe most of them?).

 

With the arrival of Ryzen 4k CPUs... 2400/2666 RAMs are getting kicked off making way for 3200 RAMs!
http://forum.notebookreview.com/posts/11000920/
New Lenovo product update shows 3200RAM are used along with the Ryzen4k CPUs.

 

Granted I'm still a few years off from buying a new laptop, but I hope by then that there will be beefy workstation-class machines with the successors to these chips, with multiple 2.5" bays (maybe U.2 by then) in addition to M.2 slots.

 

For anyone interested Micro Center has 3960x and $100 off TR4 mainboards when purchased together.

 

Umm it could likely be due to MSI tweaks to GPU firmware rather than it being AMD’s fault , there have been similar issues with certain modified firmware versions of certain Nvidia GPU laptops as well, if I recall some laptops with GTX880M couldn't use reference drivers without issues and my own experience with an Asus X550LNV with a 840M which would drop clocks like a rock intermittently with later Nvidia reference drivers (I needed the newer drivers for certain games).

There's a reason why both AMD and Nvidia say to be careful when using reference drivers on laptops (in most cases its actually just fine, despite the warning) because if OEMs make firmware changes on certain models like I faced with the Asus X550LNV you may have issues and they'll pretty much tell you to go to your OEM to resolve it.

 

I believe that the laptop manufacturers outthere may hv tweaked their "latest" drivers to make their components perform little less up to specs when compared to component maker. This is to avoid end users busting up that component if they're using it in full performance mode that eventually ends up claiming warranty service or replacements to final product maker.
The company i worked for supplies machine components to machine makers. However, the machine makers tune it a little low below our supplied parts specification. The machine maker wins by saving on service and replacement costs. The suppliers like us, loses in support by end buyers because of our component poor performance.
And that last part... could be the same scenario that u see now on your GF experience.

Final product manufacturers are conservative mostly.

 

ASUS ROG Zephyrus G15 Review



Performance seems good, however, I find the stock thermals in this thing to be unacceptable.
93 degrees C for the CPU, and 86 degrees on GPU.

When she removed the thin black sheets from the vents which were inside the chassis, temperatures dropped by 5 degrees celsius on the CPU and 10 degrees C on the GPU.

In her query to Asus about this, the company replied that the sheets are there to lower temps on the kb and other internals on the motherboard, but subsequently she said the kb temps remained unaffected and total temperatures for CPU and GPU (which were lower) seem to go contrary to Asus claims.

I'm actually disappointed that Asus went this route.
Thin chassis again which compromises on performance.

Yes, removals of those thin black sheets drops temperatures to more acceptable levels, but seriously, they still seem a bit high on the CPU.
I wonder if Liquid Metal application would further drop temperatures and WHY is the GPU (1660ti with 60W TDP) running cooler vs the CPU (4800HS which is rated at 35W TDP? Sure, Zen 2 can overshoot its TDP, but not by much, certainly NOT over 60W when they boost for short periods and settled down back at 35W on all core boost - and this seems relatively bad for people who want to do productivity on the go).

Also, the laptop only has 1 RAM slot for upgrade (the 8GB is soldered to the motherboard).
Why oh WHY?
15 inch laptops should easily have 2 RAM slots which should support upgradable memory. Also, only 8GB soldered to the mobo?
What is this, 2012?

Where are other laptop OEM's with Zen 2 mobile and Navi GPU's?
Dell is due to release one yes, but no other OEM (except MSI who only have 4800H and 5500M as an option with bad thermals) has come out to say they will use Navi.

Sick to death with NV as the only dGPU option and bad cooling solutions.

 

Open question: why are people disappointed with Zen 3 getting *only* 15% IPC? That is roughly inline with what they got the year before (depending on how you calculate Zen2 over Zen or Zen+).

Next, why are people complaining that Zen 4 IPC might be closer to 7-12% instead of higher?

When you multiply out the IPC, not adjusting for frequency changes, you get a nearly 40-50% IPC (since IPC is often calculated versus the prior gen, you compound it so that you get 1.15*1.15*1.10=1.45, or 45% IPC approximated over Zen, which is really good for about 4 years of progress or so).

Granted, everyone is expecting Intel to have 7nm and ocean cove or whatever by then (I have my doubts on process, but the IPC does have a potential to hit 40-50% also over the same period, except Intel's process speed is broken on 10nm and may not recover with 7nm AND that is over skylake whereas Zen was closer to just over Haswell).

Not asking this to inflame Intel vs. AMD, just tea leaves and doing my normal view into the future. I'll still likely get Zen 4 over whatever Intel has out by end of 2021, but am open minded (Haswell and skylake before going to Zen TR).

Am I missing something?

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I'm perfectly fine with the rumoured IPC increases.
Would it be nice if they are higher? Of course, but we need to temper ourselves in expectations and what's possible for the platform. And besides, AMD seems more focused on improving IPC and overall uarch rather than focusing on clock frequency alone (on both the CPU and GPU)

 

Something to do with the AMD wording about major/significant IPC improvements each gen, where ~15-20% or more was implied.

 

Industry average is 7%. Just 7%. That is double that two years in a row.

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I'm excessively sceptical of Intel managing 40-50% IPC jump.
Sure, AMD was able to do 55% IPC jump with zen1 over bulldozer, but AMD was essentially fixing a flaw in the design of previous uarch more or less.

Sure Intel has far more resources than AMD and Jim Keller joined them, but I don't know whether we can expect such a large jump in performance... Especially because Intel also has a ton of security problems they need to fix (which usually impact performance).

Their performance claims for existing platforms didn't exactly pan out as they hoped.

I guess we'll have to wait and see how the situation unfolds.

However it's quite interesting how AMD is steadily progressing IPC, clocks and efficiency at the same time

 

People got way to excited about it, before it was carved in stone and now got their pitchforks out. IMO 7-12% gain is still impressive, when you realize how good AMD stuff has gotten as of recent.

 

Intel can. Remember, Intel has had designs on shelves waiting for process node to catch up. This is why they FINALLY started to backport designs. We had skylake relaunched how many times? They had other core designs they continued to tweak, just the process was never ready and was broken.

IPC can be high, but 10nm does not hit low to mid-5GHz. So Intel runs hot and sucks down power. Doesn't mean bad, just what it is.

Rocket lake is a backport of sunny or willow cove to 14nm with 10nm graphics. You then have ocean cover beyond that. Intel getting 40-50% IPC by ocean cove IS possible. But 10nm speeds are broken and who knows if they will hit 7nm in late 2021 or 2022. But I said ignore the process node, which includes frequency that can erase IPC performance gains.

Now, Intel has had skylake since 2015. Over 6 years going 50% IPC over 3 designs, similar to AMD, I don't see why anyone doubts that possibility. It seems incredibly doable.

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Roughly 17% is apparently expected for Zen 3 according to the following:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.te...red-flaunting-monumental-ipc-gains-early.html

But that's still technically rumoured (or partly because AMD did confirm 50% increase in scientific tasks, whereas integer performance has been boosted 10% to 12%.
Not just that, but since the latency will be greatly reduced due to a more unified design, performance is expected to increase. This of course doesn't take into account potential clock frequency increase... it will be minor due to using the same (albeit improved) node... so rougly 100Mhz increase... maybe 200MHz.

However we do know that upcoming rDNA 2 which is to be released this year will result in 50% higher performance per watt.

 

I'm going off of 15% quoted by adoredTV and redgamingtech in the past two weeks.

https://adoredtv-com.cdn.ampproject...0-15-increased-ipc-32-mb-of-l3-cache-per-ccx/





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Ask and it shall be answered (except on price; come on AMD).

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15715/amds-new-epyc-7f52-reviewed-the-f-is-for-frequency

That is 4 chips with 1 cores per CCX for the 8 core chips, 8 chips with 1 cores per CCX for the 16 core, and 6 chips with 2 cores per CCX for the 24 core variant.

Cannot wait for Zen 3 with this. These server chips for the 8 and 16 core variants reach 3.9GHz boost. They have monster 128MB and 256MB L3, respectively. With Zen 3, the CCX becomes the CCD, cutting the jumps to I/O die in half while heat balancing cores simplify as you go from 4 cores per CCX to choose the top two cores to 8 cores, which allows for better heat balancing potentially helping with boost.

That does help here a bit, with the cores being physically spread out, but cutting out a round trip still decreases latency to go to another CCX. That means Zen 3 will have the top 2 cores chosen, with access to 32MB fully for each core.

But these chips are nice except for price (noting it is many more chips than just 1 for 8- core or 2 for 16- core).

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Der8auer - XMG APEX 15 w/ 3950X + LN2

 

The Best Budget Gaming Laptop of 2020 - ASUS TUF Gaming A15 (AMD Ryzen 7 4800H, RTX 2060)


Translation: yet another Asus gaming laptop with GARBAGE COOLING.

Looking at those CPU temps during gaming (95 degrees C), I dread to think what would happen if you did productivity work which maxes out BOTH the CPU and GPU at the same time (most likely scenario: thermal throttling and potential shutdown).

Who is in charge of the cooling design?
Seriously... the GPU alone (with much higher TDP) is by 15 degrees Celsius COOLER than the much more efficient 4800H rated at 45W.

EDIT: If the temperatures on the CPU and GPU reached 75-80 degrees Celsius with moderate noise while both components are running at 100% simultaneously, that would be 'within spec' and 'quite acceptable' for a machine of this calibre.

 

Lenovo's new gaming laptops include an AMD Ryzen 4000-powered model
https://www.engadget.com/lenovo-legion-and-ideapad-gaming-laptops-130050280.html

Nice... however, Lenovo doesn't have exactly good history when it comes to good implementation of AMD hw into its laptops.
For one thing, AMD APU's were frequently paired with single-channel RAM and bad quality components (screen included).
That said, they also skimped on the cooling. In the case of pure APU (lower power U Zen series), Lenovo actually used a single pipe cooling option for the AMD apu, but had a dual-pipe one for the Intel version (without dGPU).

I'm a bit sceptical on how Lenovo decides to execute these units but I guess we need to wait and see (and once again, no indication that they will use AMD dGPU's such as 5500m, 5600m or 5700m - only NV options for now).

 

Well, things aren't looking good, in my opinion. According to @OWNORDISOWN, Lenovo sent him the details of the new lineup. There's only one AMD powered notebook and it's not a premium product. It even has worse GPU and screen options than the Intel equivalent in the same segment. If these specs turn out to be true, then the gimping is worse and so obvious I'd be embarassed to present/justify this myself if working for Lenovo.

 

And here I (and some other people) thought that OEM's will turn around and do Zen 2 justice.
Guess, we were wrong.

Oh well, a few other OEM's are due to release Zen 2 mobile hw so it might be worth to wait and see what comes out of that (if something does).
If nothing does, then Zen 2 laptops (or at least this generation of laptops) simply won't cut it for me in regards to cooling or the components I actually want (nothing to do with AMD, but rather poor OEM designs and choices).

I seriously don't understand how people can look at Asus Zen 2 laptops and not see that the cooling is utterly GIMPED and inadequate.
Similarly with Lenovo in its choice of hw.
Its absurd... and no one (sans select few people - myself included) are calling OEM's out on it.

 

Product page for the Legion 5 is now up in Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand's website.
Battery size is optional.
And only Intel based Legion 7 gets bigger "ScreenScape" of 17inch.
As for dGPU there seems to be some kind of conflicting info between Lenovo product pages and the PSREF official documentation.
https://psref.lenovo.com/Product/Legion/Lenovo_Legion_5_15ARH05
...We'll have to wait till May to see, when the products appears in official Lenovo website ready for order.

Btw, Australia's Lenovo website currently hv the Legion 7 15inch product page created without pricing.

 

The problem is AMD as a name is not yet synonymous with real high performance computing products yet. The OEM's know this and act accordingly.

 

It's kinda hard for them to break that stigma, hopefully this changes.

 

Because so machines still hold to antiquated AMD hardware having a machine stating AMD inside is not a sign of high performance. Once they disappear and AMD inside means something real then things will slowly change.

 

Hey guys, just wanted to ask a question pertaining to XMG APEX 15 (with Zen 2 CPU).
Since its a laptop made in Germany, and I live in UK, aside from the shipping fees, would there be any extra import and tax duties I'd have to pay for?
UK is still (technically) part of EU, so all the movement of goods from EU are free... but not clear on whether UK charges import duties anyway.

Was thinking I could configure it with 3900 CPU and RTX 2070 refresh (would have preferred Navi, but they don't offer it), and it looks like its the only machine on the market with decent cooling in it.

 

I just had a pleasant e-mail conversation with one of XMG reps at Bestware (the german website).

Long story short, I asked them if they would be able to design same laptop but with RX 5600M and RX 5700M on offer.
The reply was that it wasn't possible on the XMG APEX 15 (which wasn't clarified), but he did go on to say they will get some more AMD devices in the future.

On that note, I fired off a reply with a question pertaining to if they knew of any possible import fees I might have to pay should I order the laptop from them and get it imported to UK. They said that the delivery within EU should be without any customs or taxes.

In that same email though I asked on the upcoming AMD devices and if they might have them before August.
Was told that they should have them by July.

I also mentioned to them the possibility of offering both 15 and 17 inch variants using Renoir Zen 2 and 5600m and 5700m along with desktop CPU's in the 65W range.
Furthermore, I suggested that they could possibly take notes from Acer and their Predator Helios 500 PH517-61 which used Desktop Ryzen 2700 and V56 (limited to 120W) both of which could reach and sustain their maximum clocks with the laptop NOT exceeding 75 degrees Celsius or being noisy (in fact I explicitly mentioned the laptop was quiet).

And on top of that I expressed my concern that very few OEM's seem to design adequate laptop cooling, and suggested they could possibly consider carbon composites for future cooling designs as opposed to just copper.

The reply was:

" Thank you for your kind message.

The release will be done until Juli, no worries at all.
I forwarded your message to our product managers. I don't know how much influence we have on the devices but it can only be better than say nothing."

I find this a bit more encouraging.
Don't know if it will actually have an impact, but as he says, its better than not saying anything

 

YES!

I was able to find and order the monster Predator Helios 500 PH517-61 on ebay. Refurbished (as in the order was cancelled and saw little or no use).

Main reason for purchase: content creation (massive compute on V56 with excellent potential to be OC and UV to reach GTX 1080 levels without exceeding its 120W TDP - NV can't really match this with their RTX models in laptops) and occasional gaming... plus of course AMAZING cooling and little to no noise during full stress of GPU and CPU at the same time.

I was actually leaning towards the XMG Alpha 15 with Ryzen 3900 and RTX 2070 (and it seems the machine is sporting decent cooling - plus the CPU power alone is easily A LOT more powerful than 2700), but I didn't like NV RTX GPU in it with lower compute to be honest, and I don't want to fall into an endless waiting game (again).

Of course (giddy time over)... I'm still interested to see which OEM's come out with Zen 2 mobile hw and what kind of cooling they integrate.
The only thing left to complain about is Acer's lack of foresight to upgrade the BIOS which would include support for Zen 2 (but it would be equivalent to beating a dead horse, so I won't mention it again).

I decided to cancel the ebay order for PH517-61, mainly because I reached a decision that XMG would be a better value for money (despite RTX 2070).
It would be £200 more expensive than the Acer, but I can get Zen 2 3900 CPU (which is roughly 20% faster in single core and about 80% faster in multi-core), along with 3200MhZ RAM and XMG also said they will include support for Zen 3.
Plus, XMG offers 24 month warranty with pickup and return (I don't have that kind of guarantee with Acer).

Problem is, after sending the cancellation request via ebay (about 3 hrs after purchasing it), the money had already gone through, and I got an automated response saying the seller is out of the office until 30th April and may not be able to reply (which doesn't sync with the delivery date of between 25th to 27th April).

The laptop hadn't been shipped (and doesn't register as such), and I'd prefer avoiding it being shipped in the first place and just get the refund instead so I can go for the XMG.
Any ideas on how this particular situation can be settled?

The laptop appeared on ebay listing literally today. I find it very odd that the seller would just register as being out of the office during the listing period.

 

Perhaps in the future, games will take advantage of higher cores counts as well.

 

I'm not sure I fully understand the following sentence.
What did you mean by 'so machines still hold to antiquated AMD hw...'?

AMD hw is hardly 'antiquated' and don't suffer from same security bugs as most Intel CPU's are.
Yes, the previous U series (prior to Zen 2) were a bit slower and were limited to 4 cores and 8 threads, but they still offered comparable performance to similar Intel hw and were/are more than viable for MANY people.

 

Not the processors/chipsets, the hardware around them. Monitor panels (including resolution and brightness and accuracy, keyboards, touchpads, materials used, etc.).

 

I think he/she is referring to all those processors from the Bulldozer to Excavator era where AMD was really hammered pretty hard by Intel, which kinda got AMD a bad rep due to also a combination of the 1 Floating Point Unit / 2 Integer Unit per module mess where every two cores shared the same integer unit which some saw as deceitful and Windows & other OSs’ inability to really take advantage of the architecture in early days.

They started losing to Intel in the Phemom/Core era. It takes a while to regain lost reputation. There’s usually a decent lag period before people take notice (not everyone is an enthusiast like the people in these forums, or very knowledgeable in the corporate side, incentives aside, at least in regards to some of those making the purchase decisions) AMD is getting its reputation back and sales are definitely showing. Now hopefully they can sustain their competitiveness like in the Athlon/Athlon64 era.

At the same time Intel can still use its past glory/reputation to maintain sales, they’re still in such high demand that they may even use TSMC to offload some production if I recall. Intel also has much much deeper pockets to be anti competitive in terms of incentives to OEMs as seen in the past.

 

I'm aware of AMD's past with Bulldozer and how the general public may see AMD... however, the first bit of sentence which he wrote didn't make much sense to me.

Oh well, maybe I'm just getting caught up in unnecessary detail.

 

Hmmm... Ur words makes me wonder, are u still stuck in the Athlon gen.2 era, or gen.1 era, or even the best, being a fan from blue camp to troll here stirring debates?
I wouldn't deny, the Athlon 2 era where the CPUs were shipped with late stage Win Vista till Win7 were indeed slow... Me too was disappointed with that system with my Fujitsu with Win7. However, I still didn't give up on the red camp products, and still followed on.

 

Uhm, no.

See:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...laris-navi-gpus.799348/page-754#post-11006297

 

Had u ever dwell into the desktop AMD CPU compatibility with new gen hardwares?
And if u see AMD CPU or system does work well with other new generation hardwares, why in laptops can't?

It all goes into the manufacturers attitude to AMD, consumers attitude to AMD as well as the biggest competitor's attitude to AMD.
Ever dig deep into how much incentives does INTEL share with it's manufacturers?

If One sees another as a threat, the One will do it's best to weaken it's competitor. Would u give a sharp sword or a blunt blade to a competitor whom will hurt yourself?
Hence, the easiest way is thru hardware engineering and design that's made for the competitor. When that "toned down" system is made, the rest is settled with "old stuff best compatible" with AMD. Impressions is then made, followed, and carry on.

How sure can u be?
U've done it thru desktop builds?
Or experience it thru laptop configurations pushed out by manufacturers? Which could hv be "toned down by blue incentives"? Does this doubt ever comes into ur mind?

https://web.archive.org/web/2007101...rld.com/article/id,122255-page,1/article.html

INTEL had been regarding AMD as a threat since XP time!

 

It doesn't matter how many posts you can make here. It seems you still missed the point.

 

The problem is old stock is still out there that some OEM's wills till put together machines, or there are still a lot of old stock. this does no good to boost consumer confidence and rid the stigma.

I am no fan of any camp, although I was an AMD fan. I am a fan of competition. I have mainly owned AMD systems over the years. So I do speak from first hand experience. I just would like to see the stigma go away.

 

While the IdeaPad 3 with Ryzen CPUs is not listed in some Asian Lenovo product page yet,
Germany gets the launch for order IdeaPad 5 with configurable choice!
https://www.lenovo.com/de/de/laptops/ideapad/s-series/IdeaPad-5-15ARE05/p/81YQCTO1WWDEDE0/customize

Entry lvl 6core/6threads 4500u CPU with 8GB ram, 256gb SSD and 70Whr juice bar is competitively priced @ 555euro! 585euro with 4600u 6core/12thread CPU!!!
Here's what are the options for buyers to configure themselves.
https://psref.lenovo.com/Product/IdeaPad/IdeaPad_5_15ARE05​

 

Yes, I've seen old stock of bulldozer type laptops still out in the market... which is very odd.
By this time, no old stock of such kind should actually exist anymore except Zen 1 and Zen + obviously.

Sadly, I'm thinking we are still seeing leftovers from Intel's domination days as they have a relatively strong presence in the mobile arena (despite the fact that even zen 1 mobile solutions were already quite capable, powerful and efficient).

There is some potential evidence suggesting that Intel may be giving some OEM's incentives to not use AMD hw in mini PC's... but not necessarily anything in mobile space (although, this could manifest itself in another capacity, such as poor config choices, etc.).

Lenovo also hadn't given AMD Zen 2 a proper configuration it seems (at least from what we saw of their announcement).

Dell is still a no show with Renoir and 5600M/5700M (even though they should have come out with them by this point).

No other OEM (apart from MSI which is stuck with 5500M) is offering higher performance mobile Navi dGPU's which have been out for months.

But I've seem OEM's still treating laptops in general very badly in regards to cooling.
Asus and MSI in particular have badly executed cooling in 15" and 17" solutions with Renoir... allowing the CPU to reach 95 degrees Celsius when fully stressed.
MSI have also gave the Bravo (renoir version) an anemic battery.

Its as if they are intentionally sabotaging the highly efficient hw inside... meanwhile, if they use NV gpu's, the GPU is almost always running 10 degrees lower than the CPU. What the heck is up with that? This is most evident in the Asus (and also on the MSI Bravo which uses 5500M).

How can a GPU which is rated for 60-80W TDP have lower temperatures than Zen 2 APU such as 4800H which has a TDP of 45W?
Or better yet, the 4900HS which has a TDP of 35W?

Some people have actually argued the hw is designed to operate in that temperature range and is within spec (and something to be expected in a laptop)... however, most of us here know from well over a DECADE of experience that such high temps in laptops usually result in thermal throttling/drop in performance, and that the rest of the components in the system probably couldn't handle those temperatures in the long run resulting in very possible malfunctions (heck in some cases even the CPU and GPU cannot handle them).

The absolute allowable maximum for highest temps I'd allow on a laptop would be 80-85 degrees Celsius when fully stressed on both CPU and GPU... though obviously, I'd prefer 75 degrees C as a top maximum temp.

People argue that laptop size plays a huge part in how efficient the cooling would be... and they are correct to a point... but we know that a well designed cooling with adequate amount of cooling pipes and active fans (not to mention exhaust vents strategically placed) can be made for virtually any laptop to properly cool it and prevent thermal throttling (this using existing materials and not necessarily far more efficient materials such as carbon composites).

Then there's also the fact a LOT of OEM's out there don't even use thermal paste in an appropriate manner for laptops (some of the high temps of Zen 2 laptops from Asus and MSI could be a result of that - but that still doesn't excuse lousing cooling assemblies).

 

Some new entry-level Ryzen CPUs based on Zen+ and Zen 2 have been announced, and the B550 chipset is being launched in June.

 

Looking promising.

 

Intel will continue to dominate the premium gaming laptop market, Frank Azor confirms; no Ryzen 4000 and RTX 2070 or RTX 2080 laptops anytime soon
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-2020.830221/page-64#post-11006825

From the link in my post... Effectively, Azor has confirmed that OEMs have relegated the Ryzen 4000 series to mid-range gaming laptops like the Zephyrus G14.

 

There's probably a g̶r̶e̶e̶n̶, i mean good reason as to why that happened.

 

The issue is this is a small market. There will be a few machines but I doubt OEM's want to have even more machines on the market. Since thr market is not enlarging then if you double the number of choices for each model the sales could be cut in half from the choices. this could cause some major headaches for them.

 

For the past 10yrs, or during Windows XP transition to Win Vista, AMD had fallen sick and bed-ridden until Bulldozers and Excavators comes to wake it out from the sickbed. However, by the time AMD can stand stabily on their 2 legs, INTEL had grown to be a very muscular figure in the industry that consumers around the world hv more trusts on them than the "sick" AMD they see.

Now AMD had Risen...Ryzen, to be a fit figure in the computing arena, but they are not muscular yet. To be muscular, they need supports from manufacturers. But the manufacturers had been enjoying incentives from INTEL that they adopt a very soft and conservative approach on giving support to AMD that we don't see lots of AMD gears in the market that boosts consumers confidence... AMD's internal lags in driver support and developments adds more discounts on the confidence of their GPU products.

While AMD had gain a little standing space, Qualcomm had already gained their wide exposure in the mobile computing world thru small portable devices. The same goes to MediaTek. It's just a matter of time that Qualcomm or MediaTek will impress the world that their CPUs can power a mega sized laptop, let users work for a full day, play for half a day.

Or perhaps... mega size portability doesn't need a computing system to add stress on consumers' back with heavy internals? The new age of portable computing sprout is slowly popping everywhere and growing!

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Security Researchers Turn Radeon GPU into a Radio Transmitter with 50ft Range to Steal Data techpowerup.com | Today, 04:12

Thursday we brought you a story of an improbable but ingenious cybersecurity attack vector called Air-ViBER, which uses fan vibrations to transmit data to a nearby listening device in an air-gapped environment. Another team of researchers, led by Mikhail Davidov and Baron Oldenburg, developed an equally ingenious but more insidious attack vector - rapid manipulation of clock speeds of an AMD Radeon Pro WX3100 GPU to turn it into a tunable radio transmitter; and ferrying data off as inaudible and invisible RF transmissions. The graphics card itself works as a radio transmitter, the computer needn't have a WLAN device.

What's worse, the signal has an impressive 50-foot (15.2 m) range, can pass through walls, and can have a far higher data-rate than the fan vibration hack. Even worse, the attack doesn't require any special hacks of the GPU driver or physical modification of the graphics card in any way - only a tool that can manipulate its clock speeds (any overclocking software can do that). Luckily, overclocking tools are privileged applications (requiring ring-0 access), and in most machines it springs up a UAC gate unless the overclocking software installs a driver and service that runs in the background (this installation requires a UAC authorization in the first place). If someone managed to install privileged software on your computer, you have bigger problems than a graphics card that likes to sing. Find technical details of the hack here, and a video presentation here.

 

The latest news on DELL's move on Ryzen CPU...
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-...iGPUs-and-high-quality-displays.462616.0.html
...unless we see somekind of benchmark test leaks on Dell device, for the moment, we should take this as a pinch of salt.