AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

And the competition can start
http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-x-core-i9-7920x-7900x-7820x-7800x-x299-leaked/

 

So, the quad chips are abortions, especially if they have the temp spike of their siblings and because only dual channel, etc.

The 12-core still runs $1500 and will have higher IPC than Ryzen, as well as better OC, but it doesn't give speeds. You get a boost of 4.3 on the 10-core, but with 2 more cores and looking at BW-E 10 core, you had a little under 4.2GHz on air, a little under 4.3 on water on average. HW-E did better, but, let's call it 4.6 average on air for the 10 core and assume Intel, because of competition, left less overclocking headroom on the table, which makes sense because even 4.6 12C air I'm calling hard to believe, but water is believable (with a San good custom water solution considering it took a chilled water relative to ambient to get the 6950x to 4.6 for some benches for Fugger, but Skylake is a better OC architecture).

Meanwhile, AMD's 16-core chip Whitehaven is looking at 3.6-4.0 on water, at a cost of $1,000-1,300. Lower IPC, 512mb L2, compared to Intel's new 1MB L2, but with 32MB L3 cache (Guru3D, others said 64MB, but 32 makes more sense), and the same or 4 extra PCIe lanes.


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Nah, Ryzen and Naples all the way, Intel still hasn't learned and is continuing it's price gouging.

 

We need numbers from Intel

 

The only *numbers* we need from Intel are *lower* prices

The Intel performance can't be high enough to justify those prices in comparison with Ryzen's cost/performance.

 

Everyone seems to discount the obvious. That is these AMD machines will be rendering monsters. The entertainment industry is going to eat them up for CGI, animation, etc.. This will then add up to allot of high end free advertisement for AMD that for quite some time has been exclusively Intel's.

 

yea AMD octa core laptop would be nice, but i'd still prefer intel due to higher clocks and higher IPC, at least for now until ryzen catches up next yr with ryzen2 or ryzen3.

 

I had to do some major editing here for off topic and infighting. Please be adults and stay on topic!

 

https://segmentnext.com/2017/05/13/amd-ryzen-threadripper-cpus/

 

I'm excited for the 16th!!!

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Probably that will hold the announcement or at least some more info, CES baby............

 

Sooo, what specifically happens on the 16th?

Closest event of interest for AMD is the AMD Financial Report:

AMD to Host Financial Analyst Day on May 16, 2017
http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2259862

Or, is it something actually of technical interest?

 

I don't think its May 16th that would matter too much.
I think it's Computex (May 31st) that might be the more realistic information release day:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...ar-rx-vegaryzen-whitehaven-could-be-revealed/

Btw...
What's the highest core count that we can expect for mobile APU Ryzen and Vega?
Right now, Raven Ridge APU is sitting at 4c/8t with Vega (and HBM?).
Not bad, however, why doesn't AMD also offer 65w 6c/12t and 8c/16t CPU and dedicated GPU in laptops?

If 65W is something they are shooting for in mobile, then the 6c/12t (1600 for example) and 8c/16t (1700) are doable and could be offered with MXM gpu's (Vega version that is due to replace Polaris perhaps?).

 

I am sure the hope is further information on the sighted engineering samples of the Whitehaven cores and the like. Possibly some official announcements too., chipset release date etc. It could be all a bust too, just no further information, but we can hope.

I'd agree reveal date of 5/31 sounds more realistic but it still would be nice to get some further information, maybe leaked/teaser benchmarks???????

 

In all honesty I was hoping that Vega would have already been released by now.
I have to agree with the premise that AMD is very late with it in response to Nvidia's top-end... but then again, as I already mentioned before, Vega architecture (or at least the iteration of Vega that will be released soon) could easily be just the first batch.
We know a few specs details but no real world performance numbers or how high Vega could clock, or just what it's new capabilities are.

Guess it's an all AMD desktop for me right now, followed by a new all AMD laptop (provided the OEM's get themselves off their rear ends and create a proper one).

AMD already showcased their own built laptop design and what it could do. Virtually no OEM design approached it in quality to be honest.
Hm... perhaps AMD might eventually expand on this and directly offer their own laptops as opposed to going through OEM's that could easily still be in Intel's pockets.

 

Ok, May 16th is the roadmap reveal, meaning we will find out when we will get to 7nm. This will effect forward lookers willing to get Whitehaven this year of the rumor of 7nm next year is true. It also is to see if they are sticking to the 20% increase in IPC as well. It's where they see themselves headed (starship).

You are right on computex for the releases on Whitehaven, Vega, Naples, etc. That is extremely exciting. But I also want to know the future plans.

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Is this what you were trying to alert us about?

AMD Taking The Covers Off Vega, Navi & Zen+ On May 16th
http://wccftech.com/amd-taking-the-covers-off-vega-navi-may-16th/

"AMD will finally be disclosing more information about its next generation CPU & graphics architectures Vega, Navi and Zen+ in 10 days. The company is set to unveil its long-term CPU & graphics roadmaps for 2017 and beyond in a little over a week, sources close to AMD have told us. If you’ve been waiting to hear more about Vega, Navi & Zen+ make sure to tune in to Wccftech on Tuesday May 16th.

I should make it very clear that this is not going to be a product launch. AMD’s CTO Mark Papermaster, RTG Chief Architect Raja Koduri and Computing & Graphics head Jim Anderson will all join CEO Lisa Su on stage at the company’s headquarters in Sunnyvale to discuss AMD’s long-term vision. Vega, Navi and Zen+ cores will take center stage. This will not be a Vega launch.

Spoiler: ...more details...

AMD’s Building Blocks For Ambitious 14nm & 7nm Roadmaps – Vega, Navi, Pinnacle Ridge/Zen 2 & Beyond

The Graphics Roadmap – VEGA & NAVI
Vega is set to come out some time before the end of June and will have its own dedicated launch event. It’s the successor to Polaris and the company’s second graphics architecture to feature stacked memory. There’s so much to talk about when it comes to Vega that we simply can’t get into it here for the sake of brevity. If you’re interested in learning more about it check out our Vega Architecture article.

Navi is AMD’s third generation graphics architecture designed under the umbrella of the Radeon Technologies Group. The graphics architecture will build on the power efficiency principals of Polaris & Vega. Navi is believed to be the first GPU microarchitecture conceived entirely under graphics guru Raja Koduri. It will employ “next gen” memory, likely third generation stacked High Bandwidth Memory or GDDR6 depending on the product to boost performance and efficiency.

Navi is the first graphics architecture from the company built on GlobalFoundries’ upcoming 7nm FinFET process. Based on what GlobalFoundries has so far publicly disclosed regarding the 7nm FinFET process, Navi should land sometime between 2018 and 2019. You can expect more details regarding Navi’s timing on May 16th.

Pinnacle Ridge/Zen 2 & Future Zen+ Cores
AMD’s CEO Lisa Su confirmed last year that the company is working on several generations of CPUs to succeed Zen which are set to come out over a 3 to 5 year period. These future CPU microarchitectures were referred to by the CEO as “Zen+”."

 

Ryzen 7 1700 & GTX 1080
What does it take to play Prey @ 1440p ?

 

Perhaps I am a little confused by all of these codenames but based off the link @TANWare shared, Threadripper is for the enterprise/server markets and Whitehaven is for the HEDT consumers. I am waiting on public announcements before I add the information to the first post.

 

It is going to be super exciting.

Intel has literally pushed all of their deadlines and going for maximum i9 coverage ASAP and AMD has yet to release their newest GPU divison or their top-end Ryzen CPU's.

Crazy if you ask me! I am in for some absurd competition the next 1-1½ year(s).

 

Don't hold your breath that 65W 6c/12t will be pushed for Mobile. 45w will still be the limits, same as Intel will offer.

 

Even at 45W 6C can be useful, and we do have laptops that can push a lot further.

 

As far as niche hybrid desktop/latops I am sure eventually there will be at least one. As far as a mainstream laptop it is up to AMD to get the chip down to the mobile market specs. I do not think a 4c,8t Ryzen variant for mobile would generate much buzz.

Now a 6c,12t might but then AMD has to take on Intel on yet another front. This despite the fight to get it too market. I think they are great where they are now with Ryzen and looking forward. That is too taking on further HEDT with Whitehaven and testing the markets with Vega.

 

From AMD's competitor Core i9 7900X and 7920X Benchmarks-Guru3.com

"As stated it isn’t much, but it does confirm the existence of Core i9, indicating that the info that leaked last Friday is to be very likely.

 

Ryzen 5 1400 + GTX 1050 Ti
What does it take to play Prey @ 1080p ?

 

But, a 16 core with 3.5 base and 3.9 boost. I think Intel is being told to suck it!

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57546/amd-ryzen-9-1998x-threadripper-16c-32t-3-9ghz/index.html

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AMD Might Launch At Least nine High-end Ryzen 9 Processors-Guru3.com

 

Another 'confirmation' (if you can call it that for Ryzen).
http://www.pcgamer.com/amds-ryzen-9-threadripper-cpu-lineup-leaked/#article-comments

And also, some more concrete information about vega it would seem:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-vega-16gb-1600mhz/

If that's the top end Vega they are offering as a single chip, then it could potentially (and easily) overpower 1080ti.

Also, would 1600MhZ be on active cooling?
And if so, does that mean that liquid cooling could achieve some more (say like 1800MhZ or 2000MhZ)?

 

My god.

It has started all over again.

I never hoped this day would come, but yet here we are again.

 

Yeah, but they both 'fake' more cores: Intel with Hyperthreading and AMD with SMT. Those fake cores are still good, in fact on the Intel hyperthreaded CPUs they're all fake cores, just 2 fake cores sharing the processing power flexibly of one real core, I'm assuming it's very similar with AMD's SMT.

 

Well it seems to scale well between SC to MC. I am not sure why they would pair it with a GT740 though.

On the Ryzen front though;

https://www.techpowerup.com/233333/amd-ryzen-9-threadripper-lineup-leaked
http://hothardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-9-threadripper-cpu-lineup-41ghz-16-core-32-thread-beast
http://marketrealist.com/2017/05/will-ryzen-help-amd-to-gain-market-share-over-intel/

 

If we take into account current Ryzen pricing (ranging from 4c to 6c and 8c CPU's), it is possible that they will maintain this progressive increase as opposed to make it exponential like Intel does.

Now, I wouldn't be surprised if the 16c/32t ends up in the $700 - $800 range... or at least under $1000.

And if that pans out... they would likely be able to take away a good portion of the market share from Intel (unless Intel can price their upcoming ones in a similar manner - and I don't think that this will necessarily happen).

 

You really seem to low ball AMD. The flagship, likely $1200-1300. The 1998 (no X) is $999, minimum, for the 16 core. Adjust all pricing accordingly for all skus between there and the 8 core. That is my guess. Remember. This matches BW-E IPC.

Edit: Also, remember if this is like the lower Ryzen 7, then you can overclock the lower chips to the speeds of the higher. That means the non-X will hit 3.9, if not higher, for 16 cores most likely. That at $1K is a great value. You then scatter the 14, 12, and 10 skus throughout the $600 range from $1000 to $400. That makes more sense than the crap you are suggesting, while leaving profit margin and heavily eating into Intel's market. So what are you talking about?

 

It is hard to speculate being as we do not know the board prices yet either. You also have to take into consideration now setting up a system will most likely require the user to build as a 4 memory chip configuration and possible other considerations.

I am sure there will be a premium just hopefully not an Intel inspired one.

 

HEDT is quad channel, mostly, so definitely four (luckily I own, but you get way better bandwidth). Board prices will be about the same, with a slight AMD discount, with it already being obvious that board manufacturers are already saying, "look at this awesome X299 platform." (Although, that may be NDA or Intel being scared so asking partners to push). Intel pays (not literally pays, most likely, but, historically, has made them more money, so has caused these companies to spend more emphasis on Intel) for them to blow off AMD, just like they blew off Ryzen for Kaby. But, that proved consumers liked Ryzen with the board shortage and they do NOT want to be caught with their pants down with threadripper!!! Board manufacturers will get the blame and consumers will wait as this is not solely gamer based platform, meaning if they don't do the right thing, they get ****ed!

There will be a premium, but it is related to the cost of putting two dies on one chip, not an Intel premium. That is where they capture the value and make Intel look horrible!

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I, unlike others, discount nothing until I can get a hold of the hardware myself. While I doubt there will be an Intel'ish markup I still play the wait and see game like many others. On that note I like to dream too, just not in a such verbose manner.

 

Intel is the clear looser in this game. Will get less money and less sold units vs. before. The customers is the winner!! More options, more normal prices to the better for us all. Only hope same will happen for graphics.

 

Did you see the rumored Ti competitor at $600@ 1600MHz?

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https://www.techpowerup.com/233358/amd-ryzen-9-series-threadripper-cpu-socket-detailed

 

The MCM is why I predict a bit extra premium. Some say it is a copout. But it is what it is. Either way, the chips look sweet!

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AMD Epyc is the name of Naples

 

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-shows-off-epyc-processor-aimed-datacenter-market_194618

 

It's official...Ryzen Threadripper. Up to 16c/32t.

I'm also curious about Ryzen Pro.

 

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/processors/43676-amd-just-announced-zen-2
http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-2-zen-3-7nm-cpu-architecture-details/
So, AMD mentioned that it has plans for a 14nm+ process, a 7nm process for Zen 2, then a 7nm+ process for Zen 3 by 2020 on their roadmap. GloFo is taking customer designs for 7nm chips in the second half of this year, risk production starts first half of 2018.
They are predicting Intel levels of IPC growth of 5-15% improvement.

My prediction: When they said 20% for Zen+, they were meaning the 14nm+ design. The 14nm+ process is what is planned for first half through Q3 of 2018. This will erase all gap between Skylake (and possibly Kaby) and Ryzen's successor if they meet or beat the 20% promise for Zen+. Intel counter's with CL and says we are so great, but the gap is less than Ryzen and Kaby or TR and SL-X. Then comes the move in Q4 2018 to 1H 2019 to 7nm Zen (could be earlier by a couple quarters, but I'm not over rushing them nor Intel). Intel counter's with Icelake at 10 with FIVR. Doesn't matter because with the IPC and core count AMD overtakes the field. Intel still has better logic density at the 10nm node and is at 10nm+ process at this point, which still does not outperform coffeelake, but is more dense because smaller node. So, 2020, you square off Tiger, the 10nm++ beast against the 7nm+ Zen 3 beast. Seriously, need I say more. This confirms my prior prediction (most likely). Enjoy!


Edit: remember, the 14nm++ IPC of coffee is higher than 10nm cannon or 10nm+ ice. Only 10nm++ tiger with FIVR well jump ahead significantly. So, it will depend on where AMD delivers on the 20% increase in IPC. I'm guessing this was playing with the improvements on the 14nm+ process and architecture, not the die shrink to 7nm, but could be wrong. The roadmap have no guidance in this regard. But, moving to 7nm also brings upwards of 50% increase in core count and AMD is working with software partners to not just support more cores, but to scale regardless of the number of cores present, making the future addition of cores worth more when they move to 7nm.

 

Wohoooooooo. computex is gonna be interesting.

http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/amd-unveils-expanding-2017may16.aspx

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/amd-ryzen-mobile-laptops-vega-performance-price-release-date

edit: I am no thermodynamics guru. Perhaps someone else can speculate if the cooling will be made easier?
Meaning is it easier to cool a single unit with 150 w TDP or 2x 75w TDP? My first thought was that the extra space that is free'd up by combining gpu/cpu would give more physical space inside to improve cooling.

I mean everything from ports, heatsink, fan placement etc just sounds like the internal can be made a whole lot more efficient in terms of thermodynamics?

Or as we say in sweden:
Am I somewhere else bicycling?

 

AMD 2017 Financial Analyst Day Live Stream !!! Vega revealed!!!
3+ hours streamed, with gaps - so jump forward to find the next segment, might be missing some from the first segment - I'll watch for a more complete capture - see spoiler

Spoiler: Content starts at 1:07:00, event in English, commentary in various

At least we can see the beginning parts, hopefully a full stream will come from AMD soon.
Переводим лайвстрим АМД / AMD financial analyst day | 1080p 60FPS | RU/EN/GER

(image and quotes from GamersNexus article and video below)

AMD demonstrations included a Linux code compile at 15.7 seconds to complete on 2x Epyc CPUs ($???), which AMD matched against 2x Intel’s E5-2699A v4 ($4938.00 each!!) at 22.5 seconds. Both of these tests were done in dual-socket configurations.

A later test matched Epyc ($???) in a single socket configuration versus Intel’s E5-2650 v4 ($1166.00 each!!) in a dual-socket configuration, showing a complete compile time of 33.7 seconds on Epyc and 37.2 seconds on the E5 CPU.

AMD Vega: Frontier Edition in June, Gaming Likely Later - article
http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2914-amd-vega-frontier-edition-in-june-gaming-later

Vega beats P100 in Deep Learning Benchmark, is that enough to match V100?


AMD Vega: Frontier Edition in June, Gaming Likely Later

 

Intel denies story of license deal with AMD
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-denies-story-of-license-deal-with-amd.html

"Intel has thrown cold water on a report that it might license graphics technology from AMD. They returned with a straightand simple denial. AMD earlier on already refused to comment on a report by Fudzilla.

But Intel tells Tiernan Ray "The recent rumors that Intel has licensed AMD's graphics technology are untrue."

In a statement sent to Tech Trader Daily by an Intel spokesperson, the company said "The recent rumors that Intel has licensed AMD's graphics technology are untrue." A rumor had spread on Tuesday that AMD had won a deal to license its graphics technology to Intel, as related by Fuad Abazovic of Fudzilla, who wrote that an AMD-Intel deal was “confirmed,” without citing sources. When AMD failed to disclose any such deal yesterday, during its annual analyst meeting to discuss its technology and financial outlook, the AMD stock was punished Wednesday.

Barrons asked Intel if the company has any further detail on whether it has definitely decided not to license technology from AMD. The company said no further detail would be provided.

Source: Barrons, Investors Hub

Spoiler: Looks like it was false rumor

AMD SIGNS A LICENSING DEAL WITH INTEL, STOCK SOARS!


AMD Stock Surges on Intel Licensing Agreement
Today's agreement will allow Intel to access AMD's graphics Intellectual Properties.
Giovanni Bruno May 16, 2017 4:14 PM EDT
https://news.thestreet.com/story/14137922/1/amd-stock-climbs-on-intel-licensing-agreement.html

 

"Greetings, /r/AMD! By now, you will have heard: we at the Radeon Technologies Group at AMD just announced the Radeon Vega Frontier Edition.

We know you must have a ton of questions, and we want to answer them.

This Thursday, May 18 at 2 to 3 PM PST, we’re doing an AMA for you to ask anything on the Radeon Vega Frontier Edition. Raja Koduri ( /u/gfxchiptweeter), Senior VP and Chief Architect of Radeon Technologies Group, will be hosting the AMA, so be sure to join us this Thursday.

See you then!"
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6bklro/we_are_radeon_technologies_group_at_amd_and_were/

Maybe sneak in some Ryzen, Epyc, Game Vega questions too!!

 

This seems more questions of enterprise level computing meaning FE and Epyc. Not too sure about just Ryzen but maybe Pro-Mobile (Epyc Mobile?)?

 

So we don't know the cost of (future...) Epyc and we're comparing to processors that were brought out last year by Intel...

Doesn't seem that much to cheer about (yet)?

Sure; the ~43% slower Intel code compile is very interesting to see... and a single socket beating a dual socket platform is also eye opening too.

But I know that AMD (just like any other manufacturer would...) is hand picking it's 'scores' to show Epyc in the best light.

For myself? Showing faster in a ~15 second 'benchmark' is nothing when real world workflows are thrown into the mix.

When is Epyc coming out and at what price? At that time we may or may not have something to cheer about. Even then; Intel still needs to give us an 'answer' AMD's Epyc to state whether AMD indeed beat Intel. I hope the newest processor is superior (at least at intro...) - but leaving important info out and cheering blindly is not going to go well for those that want the highest level of performance - when they're ready to buy (again).

Intel is in the hot seat for sure though; whatever performance they were holding back on will now flood the market; bonus for all consumers.