AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-threadripper-preorder-processor-ryzen,35111.html
Pre-Order on TR 1950X and 1920X is supposed to start Tomorrow (31st).

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1900x-1920x-1950x-official/

 

Introducing Radeon™ RX Vega

Spoiler: Individual clips

AMD Invents, and Our Offering is More Than the Sum of its Parts

Radeon™ RX Vega: What is High Bandwidth Cache Controller?

Radeon™ RX Vega. Defy Convention

Radeon™ RX Vega: Why Radeon™ Freesync Technology?

Radeon™ RX Vega: Future-Proofed for VR

Radeon™ RX Vega: Pro Tech for Gamers

Radeon™ RX Vega: Great Partnerships, Great Games

Radeon™ Pro SSG Professional Graphics – The World’s First GPU to Break the 2 Terabyte Memory Barrier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vxpt43ZR8s
Radeon™ Pro WX 9100 Workstation Graphics – Limitless Creation at Your Fingertips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K42Fg248mZQ

 

AMD RX Vega - Everything You Wanted To Know!!

VEGA AND THREADRIPPER SPECS & PRICING!

AMD RX Vega 64 & 56 Power Draw, Price, Specs, & DSBR

Six Finalized Threadripper Motherboards Detailed

VEGA PRICING! NEW $550 THREADRIPPER CPU! AMD Tech Day Info Dump

AMD Vega & Threadripper - PRICING & SPECS!

TASERFAA… er… THREADRIPPER Official Release Stuff

NVIDIA… WORRY! RADEON RX VEGA Official Specs… Vega 64 + Vega 56

 

FULL AMD VEGA RX Presentation | AMD Capsaicin 2017

Published on Jul 30, 2017
FULL AMD VEGA RX Presentation at Capsaicin 2017 Event on July 30. AMD presented the new Raden VEGA RX Graphics card with amazing performance. AMD also launched VEGA Nano video card. It is world first Vega Nano Graphics card presentation. VEGA RX gives you 10 TERAFLOPS performance for afordable price! Also AMD unveiled RADEON PRO WX 9100 for $2,199. AMD demonstrated VEGA SSG card with 2 TB graphics memory for the price of $6,999. There is also WORLD's FIRST demonstration of AMD's P47 PETAFLOP RACK! This is the full version of AMD Capsaicin 2017 Event at SIGGRAPH 2017 Conference on July 31.

 

Did you notice the one video where they ran cinebench and it matched the 7900X. They wondered what happened, then realized they were playing Dues Ex: Mankind at the same time @4K@60Hz.

 

And, then shut the game down to run the test again and the $999 ThreadRipper 1950x beat the 7900x by 20% as expected.

Even the lower end $799 1920x beats the 7900x.

AMD Threadripper prices undercut Intel's Core i9 by as much as $1,000
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3207747/components/amd-threadripper-prices-and-release-date.html


@ $549 the 1900x ThreadRipper looks like a natural to bump up from 8-core Ryzen 7 to 8-core 1900x ThreadRipper.

I wonder if some ThreadRipper 1900x 8-core can OC far enough to almost match the 7900x?

 

3.8GHz base, 4GHz boost, 4.2xfr. I'd say it will do fine. Meanwhile, way more PCIe.

My only question is will AMD allow forced crossfire. If they will, then that looks as good or better for a water cooled system.



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http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-art...AMD-CrossFire-Using-AMD-Radeon-Settings.aspx#
Key notes on Crossfire. It seems you can force it once again.

• all display outputs are connected to the primary (master) card and outputs on the slave card(s) are disabled.
• AMD CrossFire™ only works in full screen mode.
• AMD CrossFire does not operate in applications running in Windowed mode.
  
• AMD CrossFire option can be toggled on or off and the setting will be applied to all games and applications.
  
• There are six AMD CrossFire modes to choose from within the game profile in Radeon Settings:

1. Disabled: The application runs in single GPU mode.
2. Default mode: If the application has a driver profile it will be used. If a driver profile does not exist, the application will run in single GPU mode.
3. AFR friendly: The application will run in multi GPU mode with resource tracking disabled using alternate frame rendering. Each GPU will take turns rendering frames. AFR friendly makes assumptions that the application was built to be multi GPU aware and could cause image corruption if it was not built that way.
4. Optimize 1x1: The application will run in multi GPU mode using alternate frame rendering, but with optimizations for 1x1 surfaces.
5. AFR compatible: The application will run in multi GPU mode with resource tracking enabled using alternate frame rendering.
6. Use AMD pre-defined profile: This mode allows the use of an existing driver profile and applies it to the current application.
   
   Shame on windowed because with a multi-screen setup and the power of a TR 1950X driving it, there would be many benefits running it in windowed mode! So close to having what I want...
   
   Edit: Some report that forcing it does nothing, even though allowed. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/42kbkl/does_crimson_still_allow_you_to_force_crossfire/
   https://community.amd.com/thread/208914

Edit2: compatibility list:
http://amdcrossfire.wikia.com/wiki/Crossfire_Game_Compatibility_List

 

AMD announces Radeon RX Vega 64 series
https://videocardz.com/71430/amd-announces-radeon-rx-vega-64-series

ASUS Republic of Gamers Announces Strix RX Vega64
https://videocardz.com/press-release/asus-announces-radeon-rx-vega-64-rog-strix-series

AMD announces Radeon RX Vega Nano
https://videocardz.com/71478/amd-announces-radeon-rx-vega-nano

All VEGA-based graphics cards released today
https://videocardz.com/71488/all-vega-based-graphics-cards-released-today

AMD Radeon Vega graphics cards explained
https://videocardz.com/71487/amd-radeon-vega-graphics-cards-explained

GIGABYTE Radeon RX Series Pictured Vega 64
https://videocardz.com/newz/gigabyte-radeon-rx-64-series-pictured

MSI Radeon RX Vega 64 pictured
https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-radeon-rx-vega-64-pictured

 

AMD stock is crap today, you would think with Vega out and TR for preorder it would be doing good, but NO.

 

Pretty standard stock trading tradition, Buy on Rumor - stock goes up, Sell on News / Delivery / Reality - stock goes down.

Enjoy the happy news of the new product releases, rather than the OT boring stock news.

What is this a business site, or a technology site??

 

LOL

 

So TR and Epyc are awesome but vega makes up for it

keen to see how vega handles professional , specially DNN/AI scenarios

 

We still don't have Vega's official benchmarks, so we don't know how it will perform with the newly released drivers.

In all reality, we do know several things about AMD's gpus:
1. They are overvolted - resulting in higher total TDP and power consumption - plus, gaming TDP does not necessarily correlate with maximum reported TDP of the whole GPU.
2. They can almost ALWAYS be undervolted - especially the later samples as they are usually of better silicon quality in comparison to reference GPU's - so the overall power consumption of an average Vega GPU will probably be much closer to that of Pascal.
3. Vega was apparently pitted against both 1080 and 1080ti in blind tests, and in both, it seemed to have suffered from less stutter - had higher minimum framerates - and in this retrospect I can see why AMD might be targeting/optimizing for this segment, seeing how achieving 200+ FPS is of little consequence if the minimum FPS is next to garbage, resulting in stutter and ruining gameplay - plus, recent release of newest Crimson drivers (which seem to be specifically tailored for Vega) might show us higher overall performance than what people seem to be expecting - and it would be interesting what future drivers will bring to the table for Vega.
4. AMD also has a Vega GPU with 220W TDP and Vega Nano at 150W (the 220W one can probably be undervolted to match or be close to 1070 power consumption - if targeted to that GPU, while Nano is likely underclocked and possibly voltage adjusted out of the box).

So, for all intense and purposes, this was basically a paper launch with official release set on the 14th August.
Wonderful... more waiting for official numbers.
And if AMD releases new drivers for Vega in the interim, I don't think reviewers will necessarily use them (as they have a tendency to frequently test new GPU's with outdated drivers).

 

Might be stability related, a lot wait until a driver has been confirmed before running performance tests based on the assumption that it's a stable driver.

 

Why say things like that that seem to completely dismiss AMD Vega / RX GPU's when they clearly appeal to the largest market segments?

The Vega64 is faster than the RX580 / 1060 / 1060 Max-Q / 1070 / 1070 Max-Q / 1080 / 1080 Max-Q.

The Vega56 is faster than the RX580 / 1060 / 1060 Max-Q / 1070 / 1070 Max-Q / 1080 Max-Q(?).

And the prices come in well under the Nvidia GPU's.

Only the 1080ti and the other Nvidia way overpriced GPU's are faster, and that's a very small part of the market.

 

Can we ever be certain that drivers are stable?
Whom actually uses 'stable' drivers these days from AMD?
Beta is usually what they have available and those seem to be as stable as anything else for the most part.
There's that and the fact that RTG is releasing new (stable) drivers at shorter intervals, so as I said... by the time Vega is fully released, we might see far better drivers that make full use of the Vega hardware perhaps (that is if the current ones are unoptimized, and apparently, it seems AMD confirmed they are).
This could inadvertently hurt Vega's reviews if reviewers end up making benchmarks with older drivers that are still unoptimized.

 

Yes, but some people will complain about something else:
Power consumption.

Even now, some are saying that Vega's targets (1070 and 1080) consume half as much power for same gaming performance, and that it took AMD a large amount of time to get there vs Nvidia (granted, they are neglecting the fact that AMD is strapped for cash which probably contributed to a late release).

I can see their point though as Vega has a rather large die, high transistor count, is on a new manuf. process, but in their eyes 'only' achieves 1070 and 1080 level of performance in gaming (unconfirmed as of yet of course because its all based on Vega FE performance which had unoptimized gaming drivers) without taking into account AMD overvolting to increase yields, or that non-reference GPU's are likely to undervolt better and bring down power consumption while stabilizing the GPU and prevent throttling which would also increase performance.

As I said... reviewers likely won't help the matter as they will never mention these points.

 

As with Nvidia lately (for months and months) there has been a constant onslaught of bad drivers with broken features and worse performance back and forth, so hopefully Nvidia's trained people to be patient for driver fixes and performance fixes.

AMD could, but hopefully won't, do worse than Nvidia

Also Ryzen's performance improvements from firmware updates, game updates, (OS Updates?) have also trained people to expect lower performance at release than after a few rounds of updates.

It's a beautiful world for AMD.

Intel's gonna need to buck up and do it's best to avoid dirty tricks to make up for low performance, same for Nvidia.

 

Intel is the power sucking king right now, so I think they will draw the most "heat"

The Vega power draw may improve, as it already has from the FE release - the power saving features were completely disabled for FE and are enabled for RX Vega - FE should get firmware updates to fix them.

Maximum power draw is a thing, but often as with Peak Temperature readings, you can over think and fixate on the peaks when the average and in between peaks are much lower.

I think we need more graphs and real usage monitoring.

Not saying Vega is going to be cured of it's power fixation, just saying as will all tunable things, AMD will continue to improve as it can.

Hopefully the "aura" of Vega power draw will keep away the mining community, that's one good benefit for gamers

 

So, you forget, somehow, the lack of HBM2 in the market until now.

 

They need to add windowed crossfire support pronto. Many of my games are supported and I'll bet on Red so long as blocks will be made for the cards (watercool) and performance is at the level of the 1080. The reason is future optimizations with the HBCC, optimizations in games, and that it always takes a bit for AMD to tune the drivers, but the performance does go up, usually, by six months on the market (more bug fixes due to the market reporting to them). Power won't be an issue until going beyond two cards, which I'll wait for 7nm sometime around 2019 for that.

 

If a feature is important to you, use the avenues open to comment and reply to AMD now. AMD are taking input even more then ever, now's the time to tell them so they will do it sooner than later

 

I mentioned that in a comment to its social media page (which they do watch). I also left it as a feedback comment to its page on how to setup crossfire.

 

Nope. Not forgetting about it.
But given what we know of HBM technology in general, it's supposed to induce power savings vs GDDR5 of about 60% (that's with HBM1), and with Vega, all some people see is a 'double power draw' over 1070 and 1080 without proper perspective.
Also, didn't Nvidia use HBM2 already for its GP100?
While technically not 'mainstream', it's still on the market (and has been before Vega technically).

I'm all for Vega, and would probably get it myself if I was getting myself a desktop, but I'm opting to wait for the Asus Strix laptops with Ryzen and RX 580.

 

I was looking at Ibuypowerpc and you can't make a TR with Vega.

 

So are you going custom?

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Except the Nvidia card wasn't widely available at all. Considering you have no card count on theirs and the limit of 16,000 cards on AMD's side, that means no availability. It was only supposed to be widely available Q3 and after. All that has been seen to date is limited availability.

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Be it a custom build of Boutique, yes. I want certain specific items. The main board and ram speed etc.. I configured a system several times and end up each time just under $4,500 or so. I just finally got done with newegg.

There it would be $4,413 with tax. Still no Vega GPU though. Primary advantage here is 4266 MHz compared to 3200 MHz 32 GB.

 

I'm leaning toward the taichi board, which has the highest supported ram speed. I think that will be the biggest boon. Plus, the board has a good price.

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Neither of them are actually released or shipping yet, a few more days for TR, middle of August for Vega, or something like that...

 

August 10th TR, 14th Vega

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MSI® HOW-TO Install AMD Ryzen ThreadRipper CPU (TR4 Socket)
Wild, I don't think they used anywhere near enough paste... I think a 4 dot method - one over each chip (4 total), or do a thin spread over the whole IHS... gonna need a bucket 'o paste

 

I am going to pre-order the Zenith Extreme mobo even though my Rampage V E10 mobo literally just bit the dust a couple of days ago. Either that's a sign to go with TR right away or to stay away from Asus. We'll see.

 

Introducing: Aorus X399 Gaming 7 + AMD Threadripper

 

AMD Pre-Order Processors and Computers

Got that in email from AMD today

newegg RYZEN THREADRIPPER FEATURED ITEMS
https://www.newegg.com/TRPRESALE/PromotionStore/ID-2029058

Spoiler: More outlets, worldwide

Check the AMD link for updates, this is just an early snapshot of available outlets. Hopefully AMD will keep that page up to date, but if it's just like this list when you check, look around for another list at AMD.

North America

United States
CyberpowerPC (desktops)
Cybertron (desktops)
iBuypower (desktops)
Maingear (desktops)
Origin PC (desktops)
Velocity Micro (desktops)
Amazon (1920X processor)
Amazon (1950X processor)
Newegg (processors)

Western Europe

Denmark
Proshop (processors)

Finland
JIMMS PC Store (processors)
Proshop (processors)

France
CDISCOUNT (processors)
CYBERTECH (processors)
LDLC (processors)

Germany
Alternate (processors)
ARLT (processors)
Caseking (processors)
Cyberport (processors)
Mindfactory (processors)
Proshop (processors)

Norway
Komplett (desktops)
Proshop (processors)

Sweden
Dustin AB (processors)
INET AB (processors)
Proshop (processors)

United Kingdom
Ebuyer Limited (processors)
Novatech Ltd (processors)
Overclockers UK (desktops)
Scan Computers (desktops)
Workstation Specialists (desktops)

Eastern Europe

Romania
Emag (1920X processor)
Emag (1950X processor)
PC Garage (1920X processor)
PC Garage (1950X processor)


Russia
Digital Razor (desktops)

Middle East & Africa

South Africa
Evetech (processors)
Rebeltech (processors)
Wootware (processors)

The United Arab Emirates
Gear-up.me (processors)

Greater China

China
JD.com (processors)

Asia Pacific

Australia
PBTech (processors)

India
MD Computers (processors)
Prime Abgb (processors)

Korea
YoungJae Computer (desktops)
Polaris Com (desktops)

Singapore
PC Themes (desktops)
PC Themes (processors)

 

Even though I'd like the E-ATX, the Asrock board supports faster memory and, as TANWare pointed out, Asrock had the best board for X370 on overclock, but had a bios that if you didn't set things in the right order, it would wipe your memory settings (see buildzoid rant).

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All the MB makers are going to go through growing pains with x399 just like x370, and we don't know if any particular boards are "bad" yet, so pretty much pick what you like and report back how it goes.

Or, wait for a month or two for things to shake out

 

A couple reviewers, this time, will have 2-3 boards to review on initial release, adding more later. That is a nice bonus on this release...

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As with Ryzen, faster memory speeds improve performance

Update: The video has been made private, good thing I did a screengrab of the results (below). I'll watch for a re-upload and update here. Maybe another pre-embargo lift slip up, like der8auer's video, they should all come back and AMD lift's the ThreadRipper performance embargo.

AMD Threadripper 1950X RAM Timings - Standard vs Hi-End Memory in Cinebench R15

ThreadRipper 1950x 2400mhz vs 2933mhz memory effect on Cinebench R15 results

 

When I went on Asrock's website, I only saw the same 3600+OC like on the Asus Zenith board. I thought about one of the Asrock boards but it seems at launch all of the X399 boards are similar. While I pre-ordered, I still want to wait for reviews and even the reviews won't really say how each mobo will pan out months from now.

 

Asus is 3200+, not 3600+.
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-ZENITH-EXTREME/specifications/

Memory
AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ Processors
8 x DIMM, Max. 128GB, DDR4 3200(O.C.)/2800(O.C.)/2666/2400/2133 MHz ECC and non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory *
Quad Channel Memory Architecture
** Refer to www.asus.com for the Memory QVL (Qualified Vendors Lists).
* Hyper DIMM support is subject to the physical characteristics of individual CPUs.

 

HardOCP.com- Exclusive RX Vega Interview with Chris Hook


Radeon RX Vega arrives | The Full Nerd Ep. 28 (1 of 2)


A cheap Threadripper? | The Full Nerd Ep. 28 (2 of 2)

 

AMD Capsaicin at Siggraph 2017 (Official AMD Channel)

 

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X399 Taichi/index.us.asp#CPU
Turns out the 1920 has a baseclock of 3.2GHz:

CPU Support List
Socket Family Model Power Core Frequency Cache CPU Rev. Since BIOS
TR4 Ryzen Threadripper TR 1950X(YD195XA8UGAAE) 180W Summit SP3r2 3.4GHz 8MB B1 All
TR4 Ryzen Threadripper TR 1920X(YD192XA8UC9AE) 180W Summit SP3r2 3.5GHz 6MB B1 All
TR4 Ryzen Threadripper TR 1920(YD1920A9UC9AE) 140W Summit SP3r2 3.2GHz 6MB B1 All

 

That's interesting, at release I noticed all the sku's were "X" CPU's, now ASRock show there's non-X 1920 too, but has AMD released / announced that model yet, if so what is the price difference - less than $799 I assume. Looking...

 

We discussed this awhile back. Some took a product sku list and decoded it to show non-X variants. This confirms that sku analysis, then adds the baseclock on one chip. Considering the 8 core 1900X is $550 and the 1920X is $799, I'm going with $650-700.

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Edit:
Ryzen Threadripper 1920(3.5G,140W,L3:32,12C,)
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-ZENITH-EXTREME/HelpDesk_CPU/
Asus lists 3.5GHz base. So, we will need to see. But both companies list those three chips.

Edit 2: Also, Asrock's bclk overclocking chip is the same model used on the X370 MBs-

But likely different firmware to run it.

 

I know nothing is shipping just would like to pre-order so that I can get it setup.

This goes to show why the AW was only in the 2900 or so score. Get rid of the embargo already. We need info to make our preorders.

 

Here's another score by TR.

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Edit: better image. This is 4GHz with 3200MT/s ram:

 

Not OC'd at all?