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    AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Rage Set, Dec 14, 2016.

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    Ryzen 3 1200 vs. 1300X - Is the X worth it?
     
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    Not impressed, Definitely not a mobile chip.
     
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    Its probably not BGA which is great, right?
     
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    I posted that here a while back, and it's to be expected that the GPU performs right around a 1060, but the CPU with 2x the cores/threads outperforms all the laptop / desktop CPU's for tests that benefit from more cores/threads.

    It's an odd combination, a better one would be the Ryzen 7 1700 + an Nvidia 1080, or a 1070. At least until AMD can fit an equivalent or better GPU into a laptop.

    I wish it cost a bit less too, the pricing is around $2000, should be around $1500.

    Not bad for a first laptop, and so soon after the Ryzen release too :)
     
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    I think it would have been better with a R5 1600x........
     
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    Prices for pre-order in UK 1400 pounds.
    https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...amd-ryzen-5-1600-gaming-laptop-lt-24l-as.html
    @Papusan: With this Intel will bring LGA CPUs to laptops ASAP.
     
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    They will offer R5 1600 and R3 1200 models too :)

    "Asus brags that the gaming laptop “is practically a desktop under the hood,” and that's no stretch. Top-end configurations include AMD’s versatile 8-core Ryzen 7 1700, with variants based on the 6-core Ryzen 5 1600 and the as-yet-not-officially-announced quad-core Ryzen 3 1200 also available. Intel’s mobile processors tap out at four cores, so it’s doubly surprising to see AMD’s laptop endeavors kick off with a full-blown 8-core chip. "

    Asus debuts the first-ever Ryzen laptop with a mobile Radeon surprise, too
    The Asus ROG Strix GL702ZC is an all-around AMD hardware showcase.
    http://www.pcworld.com/article/3199...laptop-with-a-mobile-radeon-surprise-too.html
     
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    I prefer the 8 core. But I doubt this will change Intel at all @Vasudev. But, let's hope Clevo follows suit (and MSI).

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    Hey that's great news, a bit better at $1850 USD right now. The first pricing I saw was around $2200, so the price is dropping closer to reality.

    Another $300 less and it will be around the price of other 1060 laptops.

    The 8 core CPU does offer more multi-core performance than a laptop CPU, or laptop desktop CPU's, so I guess they need to charge a premium.

    Maybe the R5/R3 will bring down the price.
     
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    I hate to be a pain, but come on where are the x399 boards. I can only find links to build either through Cyberpowerpc or Ibuypower for threadripper along with Alienware.

    https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/AMD-Threadripper-Configurator
    https://www.ibuypower.com/Store/AMD-Threadripper-Configurator

    http://segmentnext.com/2017/07/27/amd-ryzen-threadripper-pc/
    http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/alienware-area51-r3/

    https://hothardware.com/reviews/alienware-area-51-threadripper-edition-hands-on-preview
     
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    The next time they can potentially be released is Sunday, the siggraph kick off (unless AMD waits for Monday).

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    I thought it seemed odd the pre-order for the x399 Motherboards was well before the release date for the ThreadRipper CPU's :)

    I mean, what are you supposed to do with the motherboards without the CPU?

    If the MB makers didn't figure this out on their own, maybe the retails did and are all holding back on releasing the x399 motherboards for sale until the CPU's are off embargo and can be sold too?

    Can you imagine the wasted time the retailers would have trying to explain to customers why they can buy the x399 motherboard, but not the CPU's? The retailers are likely holding back to avoid that mess.

    Maybe the pre-orders will be up this week, and maybe availability will arrive early and pre-orders aren't necessary...
     
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    It still is a pre-order for the 8th of Aug. Thing is we could get to choose a board at least based on price and even just price out a system. I know with the Ibuypower I have gone through the configuration and am looking at over $4,000 for the system.

    I was thinking GTX 1080 TI but since I am not a gamer should I just save and get a RX580?
     
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    For today, yes, the RX580 (1060 level performance) is more than enough if you aren't a gamer. Even if you are a gamer, you can run everything with it, reducing eye candy on the tougher graphics games.

    Then you can add a second or third RX580 later if you like for Crossfire fun.

    Or, wait for the soon to be announced RX Vega series.

    A 1080ti is very expensive, and way overkill if you aren't needing highest demand gaming graphics.
     
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    Powered by AMD: Fnatic League of Legends team discusses their new Ryzen™ processor-based systems

    Photoshop Speed Test v1 - AMD Ryzen 1500X 1600X 1700X
     
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    Does Ryzen Threadripper Have 32 Cores??

     
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    So, after looking at that Cinebench score compared to the one AMD released, I think AMD was using 3200+ memory, considering Dell is speced at 2933. There could also be firmware utilization at play here. But this does suggest that there will be a range above and below the 3000 score previously shown, with the Dell showing 2900, or around that.
     
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    Will AW A51 be using LM paste under delidded CPU or just plain old thermal paste on heat spreader?
    Using Quality Paste will improve the scores by 2-10 points and liquid cooling AiO will allow XFR tech to boost above 4GHz easily.
     
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    So, no, they will not use liquid metal thermal paste between the IHS and the heatsink/cold plate. They use an AIO with either a 120 or 140mm. I doubt AMD used liquid metal either in their example, although they may have had better cooling. Because of this, I'm guessing it is the firmware, the ram and settings, or a combination.
     
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    I doubt they used LW but they could have used ICD, I know I will. With this being such a large contact area that may be a pain to properly implement.
     
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    With the size, I'm thinking an X is the best method of application. I use a line on mobile chips (like the 2760QM). I use a dot for the desktop mainstream Intel chips (when not using liquid metal). But, because this chip is a rectangle, I really think that an X may give the best coverage.
     
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    I am worried about the thick paste and proper spread implementation. I guess the best thing to do is experiment. :)
     
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    If you look at the video of AW running R15 the CPU was settling in at 3.5 GHz. I think AMD was running 2933 memory as well, keeping within stock specs, There could be many other setting too cause a 200 point difference.

    My excitement lies in at 3.50 point at stock means a non overclocked again 3.5 or 100 MHz over base, to achieve the score. A solid 4.0 GHz OC on all cores could be 3600 as a score.
     
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    What you could try is heading water, put the tube in a bag, then put that in three water. Then you just move quickly. I have also done rubbing the tube back and forth in my hand until my hands are very hot and the tube seems warm before applying. Reason I saw an X is to give slightly better coverage of the edges and to prevent much from squeezing out of the sides before reaching the long edges. But, experimentation...
    I noticed that, too, but the speed was varying, iirc. It wasn't getting anywhere near 4GHz, but I'd place 3460 with all cores at 4. 3600 is possible, but don't know the scaling yet...

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    How much GPU can Ryzen 3 handle? 6 cards tested!
     
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    Testing My $555 Ryzen 3 1200 Build in 7 GAMES!
     
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    I am ready to be disappointed in the benchmarks of Vega already. Unless the water cooled version is very cheap I can't see getting excited at all. Again if it is only a GTX 1080 type card then street $450 for air and $550 for water cooled.
     
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    I should note too, the press is no happy with Linus given the exclusive looks etc.. Well he is a personality being used to unveil a product, nothing else as far as I can see. In fact while he is busy doing that others of the press are busy gathering info we all want to know and see.
     
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    Using him creates absolute hype. It is a genius marketing move.

    Love him or hate him, he simply has an enormous fan base.
     
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    Sonntags Q&A #11: Recorded (en)
    ThreadRipper Delidding discussion 05:15 - Wait for Embargo lift, says AMD.
     
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    Oh, I think it is funny. He calls it tech tips but where is a single tech tip? I rarely go to his stuff as a first for information as he has very little comprehensive coverage. His stuff can be entertaining but usually not that informative.
     
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    Ryzen Build - Live! (2.5hrs from now, 10am PT)
     
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    His and a few other youtubers' channels started off as helpful but now it is nothing more than an infomercial. His Intel X299 rant did come off as genuine though.
     
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    At least he'll be reviewing the new X399 boards.

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    Do not really care about LN2 on any CPU. Again, IMHO, Linus here is more a spokes model than getting an exclusive
     
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    No, check the air overclock, where the scores on geekbench made the 6 core look like the 8 core score. It's the second page.

    As to Linus, it is social media, as mentioned, but also him preparing to rip Vega HARDER than the other reviews, which was mentioned on the WAN show. Magically, the video they referenced never went up and he was at AMD HQ within the week. So it also was to stop publication of a review that they had to offer something. Linus is positioning his company very well for the future. Also, I haven't seen impressive deep dives from the companies complaining for awhile. Guru3D was reporting it, but you saw TT complaining hard. Now, recommending to LTT to start doing deeper dives wouldn't be bad with their risen status, but that is going even further into what I want to see versus why this happened.

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    I'll put my feet in AMD's shoes and I'd would do the same if I were launching a global product like Threadripper. LTT has an enormous social following, within a certain age demographic.

    Some would argue that Threadripper isn't aimed at them but word of mouth is key. AMD needs all demographics to chip in and LTT will help with some of that. Call it what you want "selling out" but it's smart business. Gorilla marketing via social media is cheap and can be highly effective if done correctly.
     
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    I think it is the lack luster Vega that has caused them to use LTT. Better to have him as your cheer leader than how he was with x299 at Computex. The added benefit of having him for TR is not lost either. I wonder if this will earn him a fanboy title?
     
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    http://oc.jagatreview.com/2017/07/a...verclocking-mengejar-skor-cinebench-r15-4000/
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    Ryzen Threadripper 1950X has:

    • 16-core, 32-thread
    • 3.4 Ghz Base Speed
    • 3.6 Ghz all-core Turbo
    • 4 Ghz 4-Core Turbo
    • 4.2 Ghz XFR (Xtended Frequency Range)
    • 64 PCIe Lanes ( 60 usable, 4 to chipset )
    • Quad-channel DDR4, with speed support DDR4-2666 or more
    • Designed fully-unlocked , for Overclocking CPU and RAM
    • 999 USD retail Price

      AMD also seriously says that they are not messing around with this Enthusiast class platform, and specifically choose the best quality die to squeeze the clockspeed Threadripper out of the box. AMD says only 2-5% of the best chips of all their chip production will later become Ryzen Threadripper 1950X .

      Cinebench R15: 4122@[email protected]
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      This was Lucky Noob Alva
    http://www.pcworld.com/article/3211...ors/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1900x-pricing.html
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/11678...1920x-august-10th-new-1900x-549-usd-august-31

    $550 FOR THE 1900X - 8-CORE. 3.8GHz base/4.0 boost / +200XFR.
     
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    http://oc.jagatreview.com/2017/07/a...verclocking-mengejar-skor-cinebench-r15-4000/
    Looks like an embargo lifted.

    Edit:

    Ryzen Threadripper 1950X has:

    • 16-core, 32-thread
    • 3.4 Ghz Base Speed
    • 3.6 Ghz all-core Turbo
    • 4 Ghz 4-Core Turbo
    • 4.2 Ghz XFR (Xtended Frequency Range)
    • 64 PCIe Lanes ( 60 usable, 4 to chipset )
    • Quad-channel DDR4, with speed support DDR4-2666 or more
    • Designed fully-unlocked , for Overclocking CPU and RAM
    • 999 USD retail Price


      AMD also seriously says that they are not messing around with this Enthusiast class platform, and specifically choose the best quality die to squeeze the clockspeed Threadripper out of the box. AMD says only 2-5% of the best chips of all their chip production will later become Ryzen Threadripper 1950X .
     
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    ajc9988, Jul 30, 2017
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