AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

Found this in reddit. This is retarded...

Basically tech websites are doing this type of crap.

 

For a few hundredssss of bucks you get an extra 1fps!!!!


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I saw many taking about Threadripper gaming performance, they said it will not be the best option for gamers, I'm not sure yet about that.

 

Wow, seriously? What site were they calling out for this one?

 

TechRadar. They modified the graph a bit already hahah.

 

I bet.

 

3Dmark Vega 64

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From pcmasterrace. Looks like Nvidia is fully supporting Ryzen (more pci lanes baby!). Intel needs to watch out lol! Cannot wait for the next Intel beast that will come out from this competition.

 

AMD is a class act here! Also, Intel cannot add PCIe lanes until Ice Lake-X at the earliest, as Intel had a platform agreement to allow for two generations of support. If they release Cannonlake-X with more, then it scraps the older boards and screws up the platform. That means AMD enjoys that for the entire time until the head to head on Ice and Zen 2. Read an article on this either last night or this morning (the data on Intel not adding lanes until then is mine).

 

More discussion here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...99-xeon-vs-epyc.805695/page-123#post-10580756

 

They might be able to squeeze some more from the MB chipset maybe. Like you said though, they are certainly not likely to put them on the CPU.

 

That doesn't matter. The DMI 3.0 is a bottleneck, at 3.9Gbps. Intel is doing deceptive advertising saying they have 24 pcie lanes to the chipset because of the bottleneck to the CPU. You cannot use those like the direct CPU lanes!

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RX VEGA 56 and RX VEGA 64: It's Finally HERE! (Unboxing Only)

AMD RX VEGA 64 Unboxing Plus First Looks And Hands On!

Unboxing RX Vega 64 Liquid - Reviewer's Edition

Radeon RX VEGA 56 & VEGA 64 Unboxing!

AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 Unboxing Preview

Unboxing AMD RX Vega

Vega Unboxing

Radeon RX Vega 56 Embargo Pushed up and Prioritized over Vega 64

 

Liquid Nitrogen Overclocking with Threadripper @ 5.2GHz

 

Rx Vega 56 & Rx Vega 64 Overclocking Benchmark Leaks (Rumor)

Not mentioned what the tests / games were, only these results in % over / under a 1080:

No "score" for the liquid cooled Vega RX 64...check the unboxings, some got the liquid cooled Vega RX for review...watch their channel, I know I will

Monday is the embargo release day for performance results, hopefully it's just like we see here, or better.

 

http://www.pcgamer.com/gskill-announces-3600mhz-and-128gb-memory-kits-for-threadripper/

 

RX Vega - Expensive(?) + Epic Mining Card? (Rumor)


RX Vega Price Gouging - AMD Speak Out


AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 Liquid unboxing

 

Cancelling my Asus Zenith pre-order wasn't the best idea. It is sold out at Newegg.com, so I have to wait a few more days to order it.

 

Haha, thats the same board I am eyeing. I am waiting for some more blocks to come out at this point though.

 

Vega Gone Missing? New X399 Boards, Mega GTX 1080 Ti & More!
Hardware Unboxed
29 minutes ago
Good news, the all nighter is on!
https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/896560361687666691
My Dad got the card this morning (big thanks to Dad!) and it’s now in my test system for an epic benchmark session
Hoping to have a 20+ gaming benchmark video ready for the release tomorrow night, also hoping I won’t look too wreaked on camera tomorrow

 

So basically the Vega RX 64 is the same performance as a GTX 1080. In that case what's the point in choosing it; I heard it consumes more power than the GTX 1080, is it cheaper at least?

 

Probably a bit cheaper and good for mining. Amd can't charge same prices vs. Nvidia for about same performance. If they did, it would be the same as shooting them self in the head. Or ask for problems.

 

I agree with you it's not a great proposition when you take all the goddamn hype into account. But;

Vega is a more forward looking architecture and when/if its full feature suite is optimised for - hbc, dx12 with async compute, dsbr, tbr, fp16 shaders etc - I think it'll be clearly faster than 1080. IMO it depends on whether they can stay on top of the driver situation, and whether they can get devs to optimise for Vega (that didn't happen early enough with Fury)

Next gen consoles being AMD powered will help, you'd have to think console ports will be better optimised for Vega over the next couple of years due to shared technologies

I think it'll be just like Ryzen, launch reviews will be "meh" but in two or three months it'll shift to a more positive general opinion once the low hanging fruit optimisations work through in updates and the bugs are worked through.

I just hope that AMD have enough so those +@%£*ing miners don't buy them all. But I spose AMD and therefore the whole market wins either way as the worst thing for us all would be a broke AMD and Nvidia monopoly

 

These comments are based on rumored benchmark results, so it might all change when the information embargo is lifted Monday, and we get results from lots of sources.

If you check the chart even the RX 56 OC matches 1080 performance. 1080 OC is a bit better, but either RX GPU will be a good match for Ryzen and ThreadRipper for top AMD GPU performance - pick your price and your power usage

The RX 64 will perform better, draw more power, cost more, just like the difference between 1070 and 1080.

The chart doesn't list the RX 64 liquid cooled model performance, it draws more power and costs a bit more, hopefully it pulls away from the air-cooled version enough to make it worth while for the extra cost.

We may not get accurate performance comparisons between RX 64 air and water-cooled right away, as I don't think anyone has both to review at the same time.

As with most new GPU's, it's going to take time for the reviewers to get a handle on how to get the best performance from them, and AMD and game developers need time for optimization of drivers and games.

The MSRP is rumored, not announced, IDK if Monday is going to reveal the price, but the reviewers will get to publish first benchmark results.

Given the supposed mining performance, there likely will be limited quantities for gamers, even with AMD's efforts to get them to gamers first, so if you want one get it when you can, they might go out of stock quickly everywhere and continue like that for a while.

 

UseGoogle translate http://m.sweclockers.com/nyhet/24258-nvidia-onskar-amd-valkommen-tillbaka-med-ryzen-threadripper Nvidia want to sleep with Amd

 

It's interesting how Nvidia pairs the *only* consumer GPU faster than AMD GPU's with AMD ThreadRipper, at the same time recognizing AMD's superior CPU performance and Nvidia's slight edge in GPU performance

I doubt there will be many building a new computer that will want to pair an Nvidia 1080ti with an AMD CPU when the AMD RX 64 liquid cooled comes close enough in performance.

Why give Nvidia the cash when AMD went through all that trouble to make such nice GPU's, providing us all an alternative to the Nvidia monopoly?

 

Price is fixed. The MSRP is correct, although certain retailers plan to gouge at release. Newegg and Amazon confirmed selling at the MSRP at release. That means prices are roughly the same as their green counterparts. But, there is new and futureproofed elements to these cards which do help (that HBCC, for instance) the makes it something to consider.

It definitely should be. Anthony, another Auzzie reviewer with Tweaktown, had his card flown out to him as well and will have the hashrate in his review tomorrow. Also, with AMD, due to the HBCC, it can move anything that cannot fit in the HBM to the SSD, which will likely mean you will not get an out of memory message if you mine. It is a hell of a value, if the hash rate is 60-70MH/s

It isn't the miners you have a problem with, it is the people that buy them, then increase the price to double and resell them, thereby driving up market price artificially and making it impossible for others to get them at a decent price. Although shortages happened, look at it from a business standpoint: 1) you have aging inventory which likely wouldn't be purchased by gamers which has cleared the inventory channels, allowing you to recoup that cash instead of doing an inventory write-down (think RX 200-400 series cards) (this is great for R&D and working capital); 2) because the 400 and 500 series were so similar, they were competing against themselves, mostly, at that price point (Nvidia has the 1060 there, but...); and 3) the real gripe with miners is they make the market uncertain as to how many cards to produce without leaving a large, aging inventory, especially with the market getting flooded AFTER mining with those cards is not providing enough return. This last one is your real gripe!

See above on the MSRP. It is set, just retailers are gouging ahead of time because of miners. Also, there will only be limited amounts at release. Further, they are releasing the 56 two weeks later so that miners blow their load on the more expensive product while giving the excellent price to performance ratio to the gamers. Then, just a week later, third party cards should be released, which will alleviate some of the inventory thinness in channels, thereby meaning we'll have a fair supply over the coming months and it isn't as much of a worry unless you live in a card-strapped country (which then, I feel for you).

 

Prices have been announced, along with the "packs", but we don't know the % split between packs and single cards yet, or how access / pricing is going to be controlled - AMD is said to be trying to get retailers to only sell at MSRP and not let pricing increase - I wonder if AMD will pull back on supplying vendors that gouge?

The scalpers are always an issue, with the mining advantage there's likely even more reason for scalpers to take interest.

I'm hoping limiting sales to 1 or 2 per person will help a bit, but I know scalpers send out teams of people to get around that too.

I hope AMD doesn't hold back on continuing production and floods the market with them while the demand is high, now's the time to cash in - before Nvidia pumps out a response for the weak willed performance junkies

Good news for AMD if the coinage miners can get good results on a wide range of currency, then even if Nvidia comes out with a response it will likely not match AMD's mining advantage.

 

Read. Use Google translate once again

 

I think even if it is the same as 1080, it is a good thing. It promotes choice and that is what we need right now. Games like Doom 2016 where the Vulkan API makes AMD cards perform much better than NVidia so even if the numbers look the same, architecturally there will be innovation that will differentiate the GPUs.


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Even Nvidia says they don't see them as a gadfly. Also, with AMD sold out to miners, it improves Nvidia's standing with gamers. The only reason to complain is because of the CapEx required to restock inventory. They had thin quarters on inventory during the first and second quarters because they sold so many products. Boohoo for Nvidia. It just means adjusting production. The first half of this year, especially the second quarter due to Ethereum, saw huge amounts purchased.

But, when inventory is right, it is the pricing that then hurts consumers. This comes in two flavors: 1) retailer gouging and 2) scalpers that buy up the entire supply from retailers, then relist at a higher price, sometimes with the same retailer. This artificially drives up price to miners, limits ability to sell, but clears official inventory channels. But now the companies must compete with those scalpers, which we don't get accurate inventory information on, making decisions on production more difficult. Etc.

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I disagree with limiting sales to 1-2. TR can use 4-6 cards, so that would be a smarter limit for those looking to complete a build using 48 PCIe lanes just on graphics cards. That is 2x16 lane cards and 2x8 lane, or 6x8 lane rigs.

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You disagree because you want to buy a bunch for mining yourself

1 or 2 gives gamers a shot, most only want 1 and the 2nd for a friend so they don't both have to wait in line. Maybe a few will do Crossfire for gaming.

That's the only way to limit the effect of miners and scalpers is to limit per visit purchase quantities, even if it's not as effective as we would like.

 

From a business stand point, it doesn't matter who buys it. A sale is a sale. It just means increase production, revenue, and profits. In fact, AMD even said they increased production.

Also, if you understand that mining has the compute power, globally, of multiple supercomputers working together to create a new, secure, decentralized currency and that this decentralized production of the currency actually helps protect its nature of being decentralized, it makes a lot more sense. Now, if I went further, it would get into the politics of having an unaccountable, privatized central bank without oversight that can print money at will and manipulate currency, as well as the hard currency of the world being the petrol dollar, inexorably linked to oil production, impacting wars, the environment and changing to renewables, etc. (I'm not a libertarian, although that last description may seem like it).

But some things are more important than gaming.

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Ohh, them's fight'en words!!

Nope, avarice and greed are not more important than gaming.

Letting GPU's burn through maximum power all day for an imaginary monetary value is not more important than human happiness.

Because as we all know, "Mining doesn't buy you Happiness"

 

Yeah, AMD normally increase performance through driver updates as the architecture matures - more so than NVidia I think. ajc9988 just posted that it's gonna be the same price as the GTX 1080, so in that case there's no particular reason to avoid the Vega 64 unless you're upset by the increased power usage. It's not a thrilling proposition, but I guess as a consumer you wouldn't be disappointed with choosing it over the GTX 1080 - slightly more performance (hardly) and the same price offset by slightly increased power usage - it's a MEH, but not a disaster.

 

No, I'm talking long-term implications. Like allowing large, risk taking institutions to fail. By getting rid of the moral hazard of finance and bail outs, you can return sanity and proper risk analysis to the market as they lose their safety net. By getting rid of the petrol dollar, and having a currency that can replace it, you don't have to worry as much of the devaluation of currency due to the transition to renewables. This also lessens wars over control of oil rich nations. It allows for the acceleration away from dirty fuels in a quicker time frame without the problems of stability. Etc. This can, if done right (many ways to go wrong though), increase global happiness.

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I think AMD must make two versions of GPUs for consumer one aimed at mining and other at gaming. Doing that the TDP can be brought down. Now, the increased power comes because they are okay at gaming and great for mining.

 

If that's the case, then you'd think they should definitely be doing that!

 

Actually, they've examined it. They do plan on Vega mining cards, but availability depends on country. They also looked at knee-capping hash rates, but it effected FPS. So, what they need to do is optimize cards specifically for mining that can comport with all nations and compute beyond what the gaming card can do. It's a hard scenario for these companies.

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If anyone noticed having both AMD and Nvidia GPUs, one thing that nvidia excels is, their driver require less CPU calls (w/o telemetry) than AMD. AMD GPU drivers uses too much CPU cycles than nvidia. I dunno if anyone noticed. But the cpu usage is cut by 50% on crimson drivers than their .net based Catalyst Control Center.

 

So what we see at launch tommorrow is what we're gonna get & what we're gonna stay with?

 

Ah, that pipedream again, and I'm not referring to the oil pipeline

You do know that's already been tried a few times, and look how it worked out in Iraq, Libya, and earlier efforts that never got off the ground.

There's no way a destabilizing currency of any kind is going to go unnoticed or unchallenged.

Forget about it.

There may be electronic currencies "allowed" to work out the issues, research the best methods, but they'll all go to zero when the actual power in charge decides on having their own, the previous attempts will either be zero'd out or transfered as a fraction of their imaginary value.

Best to invest in tangibles, convert that funny money to real currency as fast as you make it, lest it go to zero when the transition occurs.

There are no guarantee's backing up any cryptocurrency, for good reason.

 

For a time. Also, I think unlocking the mining potential would be a way to combat Nvidia's unlocking the compute restrictions on the Titan Xp.

This is where the risk is involved, but some exchanges do allow direct transition from Bitcoin to gold, as well as currency.

I get your point on those that tried and failed, which also include Syria and Russia is currently trying as well. The difference is those are countries, not a decentralized currency. But that is why there is fear over potential regulation coming down the pipeline. Also, there may be a time when the central banks, after proof of process, create their own Crypto, which then leads to them manipulating value once again.

But this is why it is all in the works.

 

It's the other way around. AMD provides full access to functions, Nvidia historically doesn't, demanding a "tax" on certain optimized performance.

The AMD open access does allow the mining to be optimized, and now Nvidia will need to decide if they will unlock all their cards, or stop at the Titan Xp.

Like you said AMD decided to not lock down mining performance as that architecture change would affect gaming too.

IDK how it's going to work what with both gaming and mining demanding cards, it will come down to which can supply more cards to the markets demanding them.

I doubt AMD wants to get into the cryptocurrency game as far as building optimized cards specifically tuned for mining. Too much volatility and potential downsides, no stability of demand to rely on.

Maybe we will end up with AMD Coinage as well as Nvidia Coinage, so that we can trade for GPU's

 

Sorry, I misstated what I meant. I meant driver optimizations that allow for better utilization for crypto, not unlocking like Nvidia. I do apologize.

 

Didn't realize you guys were talking about crypto in here. NEO ftw


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It's hard to discuss graphics without discussing it to some extent. Hell, even STH uses the downtime of their servers (nights and weekends) to mine Monero (CPU mining) to cover costs.

 

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And so it begins...ends?

The SEC is finally starting to regulate Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies
Jul. 29, 2017
http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-price-security-equity-sec-2017-7

"When it comes to regulation, what exactly is a cryptocurrency?

Is it a currency? Is it a piece of software? Is it more like an equity? And if it is an equity, does that mean it should be regulated like any other security?

The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) recently weighed in…"


US regulators just dealt a blow to the most hyped area in tech investing right now
Jul. 26, 2017
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-sec-rules-digital-token-sales-securities-dao-violated-law-2017-7

"On Tuesday, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) said that "ICOs" (Initial Coin Offerings) can sometimes be considered securities — and as such are subject to strict laws and regulations.

For the uninitiated, ICOs are a fancy new way of fundraising enabled by digital currencies like Ethereum — participants invest money and receive digital "tokens" in return. Thus far, it has been largely unregulated, with some ICO crowdfunding events raising hundreds of millions of dollars — leading some observers to argue that it is a massive bubble.

But the SEC's warning means that this free-for-all may not last forever. In a statement, it said (emphasis ours):

"The Securities and Exchange Commission issued an investigative report today cautioning market participants that offers and sales of digital assets by 'virtual' organizations are subject to the requirements of the federal securities laws. Such offers and sales, conducted by organizations using distributed ledger or blockchain technology, have been referred to, among other things, as 'Initial Coin Offerings' or 'Token Sales.' Whether a particular investment transaction involves the offer or sale of a security — regardless of the terminology or technology used — will depend on the facts and circumstances, including the economic realities of the transaction."

In other words: It doesn't matter how you dress it up, if it looks like a security and smells like a security, the SEC is going to treat it like a security. And that means sales must be registered in advance — though not all token sales will necessarily qualify. The devil is in the detail."

From https://cryptoderivatives.market/ " Please do not trade here US citizens"

BITFINEX kicking out people from USA - google search

Bitfinex Drops US Customers - article from 2 days ago, 5 day + 90 day warnings
"Bitcoin exchange Bitfinex has just announced that it is pulling out of the US retail market due to the challenging regulatory climate. US customers have approximately 90 days to discontinue all trading, and US holders of ethereum ERC20 tokens have only 5 days to stop trading them on the exchange."