AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

@Papusan ; @triturbo ; @Rage Set ; @tgipier

I present to you the first six-core ryzen cinebench score:

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-1600x-cinebench-r15-performance-confirmed/

Edit: I also got the motherboard power on the MSI Titanium wrong. It is 24-pin ATX, 8-pin EPS, 4-pin ATX and a 6-pin for the PCIe, meaning it has more power to the MB than the Asus. Also, the ram speed support may need to be revised down from my earlier statement. But still just 10 phases.

 

So, indeed 6core cpu's will be 8 cores cpu's with 2 cores locked.*aftermarket modding intensifies *

 

I think my skepticism is faltering a little more. Like the article pointed out, the last Ryzen Cinebench leaks have been very sketchy. This score does level a punch right into Intel's gut. So my plan is the 1800X and possibly the 1600X or 1400X. The Great Proc War is coming.

 

This is why I tried not to share the old cinebench table that had no screenshots or way to confirm. But this picture actually shows it named and performing. Granted, I've had my overclocked skylake get that score, but am going to overclock Ryzen also... So new high benches will be had! I'll get the 1800X for everyday and will pick up the others to bench and resell at some point.

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AMD pretty much always has stellar "leak" performance, I'm waiting for the user results and performance reviews before investing.

I've still got the tail end of the last generation of competitive AMD CPU's running - 10 years later...

I'm always optimistic before release with AMD, but it's been a long drought since the expectations of pre-release met the reality of actual performance at release

 

"The main reason for this development stagnation in the desktop PC processor market is primarily the lack of strong competition in the form of other manufacturers, e.g. AMD"

"The laptop market situation is even more extreme. While AMD at least provided a theoretical competition for desktop PCs"

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-s-Development-over-the-Past-Six-Years.197824.0.html

 

A plethora of Ryzen motherboards. https://videocardz.com/66116/amd-ryzen-motherboard-update

 

This almost makes me want to build an AMD desktop again. If only they would give the middle finger to the ole mighty M$, and support Win 7.

I really like the last paragraph!


Intel scores borrowed from Tom’s Hardware, AMD scores borrowed from the Futuremark database

• AMD Ryzen: ZD3406BAM88F4_38/34_Y — Eight-Core CPU
• AMD Ryzen: ZD3301BBM6IF4_37/33_Y — Six-Core CPU
• AMD Ryzen: ZD3201BBM4KF4_34/32_Y — Quad-Core CPU

Lets start with the multi-core overall physics score. The 8 core, 16 thread Ryzen CPU overclocked to 4.0GHz manages to outperform every single other CPU tested, except Intel’s 10 core $1700 i7 6950X. Running at stock clocks the CPU was within striking distance of the $1199 i7 6900K and held a two thousand point lead over the i7 5960X Haswell-E 8 core flagship.

It should be noted that scores for the Intel chips in the above chart are borrowed from a Tom’s Hardware review and are 2000 points higher than the scores found on the official Futuremark database that the Ryzen scores are borrowed from. If we borrow the physics score for each Intel CPU from the same Futuremark list, Ryzen CPUs would outperform each of their Intel counterparts core for core and clock for clock.

 

Saw those, but so much info is lacking. Also, I've seen some differences in reported and actual ram speed support. But, looking back through, it looks like Ryzen may have weak memory controllers connected to them. We'll know more when press day happens, followed by NDA lapse...

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http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-am4-motherboard-round-up-msi-gigabyte-asrock-asus-x370/

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I agree with you completely, however, I haven't seen leaks from prerelease AMD proc's that were this competitive in a long time. The funny thing is, on this forum and others, I still rather careful in giving AMD any kudos. Although, in my office, all I do is talk AMD's numbers with my employees and how Intel is in some trouble. None of my clients are interested though.

 

Have you or anyone else heard about TBolt 3 support on any of these mobo's?

 

I honestly can't remember because I wasn't looking for it... Sorry. The more likely place to find that was CES articles (early January) or articles on specific boards in the past week or so...

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I'm just waiting for Vega 10 to drop around May/June as rumoured, give me performance near to 1070 with cheaper price, and I'll be ready to go full red for my desktop

screw the blue and green

 

Also, the ryzen 1600X cpu-z bench was done right after this, but if done before this, may be worth noting:
http://www.cpuid.com/news/48-cpu-z-for-ryzen.html

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Your insane, try 1080-1080Ti at about $600-800. Read my post on the changes to the cache system, HBM, the controller for it, and then doing tiles like Nvidia which gives Nvidia part of their performance, and similar changes in how you choose for their cards. This is a performance card, not a low to mid card. How it fares with Pascal release two we get this year, we'll find out later. But 1070 performance and cheaper price, unlikely.

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I should rephrased my sentence. Actually I don't really mind if it's cheaper than it's green counterpart, as long the performance and overclockability is there. I'm just tired with nvidia atm and wanted to give amd a chance after so many years

Cheaper or not we can't say for sure right now, but I honestly doubt it will be more expensive than nvidia's launch prices for pascal

 

Expect it to still be best at number crunching (bit coin mining), meaning a pop in price, then low availability for about 2 months.

The performance should surprise. All people writing articles say comparable with 1080. Some venture a Ti rival, considering the changes and them expecting the mimicking of tiles to give a significant boost, as amd said (not the Ti rival, but the tiling.

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That's just sad. I guess they want $5000 CPUs. Remember how grIntel's top offering was $999 for quite a while? Have you looked at the prices of their latest tops (with little-to-no competition from AMD)? Make a guess where the prices would be with no AMD at all.

 

Ryzen CPU pics. http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-processor-pictures-final-heat-spreader-design-shown/

 

It's good that they've mentioned the reason I don't like LGA, it seems I'm not alone. Another plus for Ryzen

EDIT: There's a minus though - at 1331 pins, don't know how they've arranged things, but it is likely that we'll never see 40x PCIe out of AM4, maybe even AM4+ if they keep the pin count. I hope that I'm wrong and they did their math, after all this socket is supposed to last 4 years. We'll see.

 

The question is... Will AMD use the same trash under IHS as Intel's mainstream chips? Or will they use traditional solder?

 

They have been using solder for all the IHS designs, it would be really strange if they switch now.

 

I agree with @Mr.Koala. They likely haven't switched from solder.

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That is a concern of mine, but I am betting an AM4+ will bring some changes. I started thinking about why they left some things off, like quad channel support, more PCIe lanes, etc. Those would have added costs. If the cost is too close to Intel's, many would forego and not look at AMD, even if the scores look good. So, some of that may come in future releases after they develop a more dedicated market share. But, it also suggests that it may not be incorporated until Zen+, am4+, or beyond and that a new motherboard must be bought unless they created these boards for later quad channel support (while further pcie lane support is impossible without a new board).

This is an article for you!
http://en.yibada.com/articles/19513...-reveal-as-release-date-will-happen-april.htm
Still, take with a grain of salt. Ryzen is the main leaks and Nvidia is trying to do a sideshow to steal the limelight. We'll see what happens if Vega is shown off next to Ryzen.

 

It's going to be a great spring/summer for building a desktop!

 

https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel/intel-amd-ryzen-competition
An article on AMD and Intel competition that is good. I submitted the following comment to ask for a correction/clarification:

So, one correction: HEDT is separating from server chips this next generation. Look up the socket for the new Skylake-X (Skylake-E), then look at the monster socket for the FPLGA with over 3000 pins. If they do separate the two, so that to use pearly chipset you need a server board and different socket, then they are more scared of the 32-core/64-thread ryzen based server chip taking away their marketshare. It would not be rushing first with the HEDT products. If you could research that and amend the article to reflect that, it may change your conclusion. Just trying to be helpful.

Edit: Also, another article comparing Naples and Intel server chips: ( @tgipier this I believe is what you mentioned you hoped could OC )
http://wccftech.com/intel-lga-3647-socket-skylake-ex-knights-landing/


Intel Xeon E5-2600/4600 V5 (2S/4S) Intel Xeon E7-8800/4800 V5 (4S/8S) AMD Naples Platform (2P)
Family Branding Skylake-EP Skylake-EX Naples
Process Node 14nm 14nm 14nm
PCH Lewisburg PCH Lewisburg PCH SOC
Socket Socket P (LGA 3647) Socket P (LGA 3647) SP3 LGA socket
Max Core Count Up To 26 Up To 32 Up To 32
Max Thread Count Up To 52 Up To 64 Up To 64
Max L3 Cache 35.75 MB L3 38.5 MB L3 64 MB L3
DDR4 Memory Support 6-Channel DDR4 6-Channel DDR4 8-Channel DDR4
TDP Range 45-160W 110-160W 35-180W

 

AM3 was 938 (CPU) pins, so there are almost 400 more now, but it also lacked iGPU, so a few pins would go into this direction. I agree though, there's room for improvement and they'll act just like they did with the RX 4xx line-up - shooting at 85% of the market (as per their slides) first and now we're waiting to see how Vega is performing and what market segments would cover. As for quad-channel it would require more power so that's something else to consider (bumping the TDP up, so not as impressive as 95W chip vs xxxW (it is marketing and I hate it, but it does wonders for everyone else, so it's good that they are upping their game)).

 

Sorry, saw this posted in overclock.net. Go to 41 seconds and watch the Intel offices part. Then jump to 1:41!



Edit: if this didn't make me laugh so hard, I wouldn't have shared it! Not trying to do the fanboy thing, but still, hilarious...

 

LOOOOL. +rep

 

That is great! Oh Lord let the hype be true, please!

 

just a week more to go

at this point I'm most curious at the temperatures and overclockability, since the leaks had been pretty consistant about single and multi core performance

 

Looks like amd has hit it out of the park with zenith, if you go by the leaked benchmarks

I wish clevo had a version of p750dm with ryzen.

 

Must have typed that from your phone...lol

I have been looking at water coolers, and visiting sites that sell this stuff, like xoxide, frozen cpu, for the first time in 7 years!

Just posted real quick at xtreme systems to see what my sig says....

C3 Phenom II 965 BE (0941CPMW)
Msi 790Fx-GD 70
2x2 gb OCZ AMD Black Edition 1600mhz DDR 3
2x MSI HD 5850's OC edition X-fire
2x Western Digital 250gb 16mb cache Raid-0
1x Seagate 1 TB Data
SILVERSTONE|DA700 700W RT Power Supply
Koolance INX-720 (Koolance 345 block)
LianLi pc-60fwb

 

AMD Ryzen 7 1700X Thrashes $1,000 Intel Core i7-5960X In Latest Benchmark Leak

"Bottom line? Things are about to get interesting again in the CPU market"

http://hothardware.com/news/amd-ryz...e-i7-5960x-benchmark-leak#LGlx42dtuxhJ9Gp0.99

 

Damn you! I wake up, look at the news, and want to share it with the world and you beat me to it! What kind of evil man are you?!?! LMAO!

Anyways:
On to new news: The 1700X Cinebench R15 benchmark and score in Firestrike Physics:
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-processor-tested/

Forbes gives a comparison chart of the Cinebench score here:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyl...faster-than-intel-core-i7-5960x/#7a939a1262fe

 

Maybe cutting down on hours you sleep? 4-5 hours should perhaps be enough

 

Who needs 6-7 hours anyways? That's what coffee and energy drinks are for, right?

 

AMD Ryzen CPUs Support 3600MHz DDR4 Memory http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-cpus-support-ddr4-memory-speeds-3600mhz/

 

Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. AMD 6.63% shares appeared to ride higher Tuesday on reports its Ryzen 7 1800X could ship as early as March 2. However, an AMD representative told Benzinga that the pointed release date was mere speculation. Drew Prairie confirmed the company’s previous assertion of a product release in “early March.” - Source

I hate howevers.

 

I'm kinda concerned with AMD's ability to keep up with the demand of these chips, assuming every leak about performance and price so far is true

 

This is why they amended the wafer supply agreement that I talked about a couple pages back. It also means market prices may drive higher if in short supply. I'll get mine before the gouging, but after reviews.

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I'm thinking they will be in short supply for a while after the initial surge.

 

There was a leak/rumor that they are prepared to flood the market. Let's see if it holds anything.

 

Flood the market, make Intel scramble to cut prices. I may get one on release day, and take a chance that they are as good as we think they are. The 1700x is sounding like the "bang for the buck" chip, and may just go with that one. Do I really want a desktop again? It will get Windows 7 for sure.

LOL, posted on techspot, and looked at my signature.....

Athlon [email protected],Asus A7V8X,512 mb pc3200,Vantec Aeroflow/H2O soon,Radeon 9700 pro,

 

LOL.....thats hilarious +rep

 

If going desktop, consider grabbing a silicon lottery or binned cpu, second highest tier, depending on how many that are binned fall into that category. Specifically, that for the 7700K is picking the best one in four. The best one in 20 costs almost double.

So take the shot, or get a good one to start...

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How do you go about getting a binned cpu? I have always wondered how these OC guys get their hands on these. I have never been ultra serious about OCing, I just go to newegg and order one up. Always thought they had an "in" with a distributor or something.

 

I was on my phone :/
I'm going to build another desktop after like 12 years
1700 + B350 should be good enough for my workloads - mostly SQL and R.

i was seriously thinking of getting myself a Precision 5520. now i'm thinking a ryzen desktop and Surface Pro 5.