AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

Same here. Going back to desktop and getting something lighter and more efficient on the move.

 

hot off the press

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-ryzen-goes-preorder-today-info-and-event-benchmark-videos.html

 

It's Here!!

Pre-order online now - Feb 22 - (today!) ...Release date is March 2nd


AMD RYZEN 7 OFFICIAL LAUNCH - ALL THE DETAILS!


AMD Ryzen 7 Release


RYZEN will cost HOW MUCH?? AMD drops the bomb


Hello Ryzen! CPUs, Pricing and Launch Date FINALLY Revealed


AMD Ryzen Teaser: Official Pricing, Specs & Scores!

Spoiler: Hitler Finds Out About Ryzen Benchmarks

 

someone slap a hot metal rod in intel's face already

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155115799236473&id=23542086472

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Links for Amazon here: https://www.pcper.com/news/Processo...r-Starts-Today-Specs-and-Performance-Revealed

Can start ordering at 1pm according to them.

 

1700X looks sweet, I see no reason to pay another $100 for the extra Mhz when you can overclock, now just waiting for the conclusion on OC capability.

 

So, still purchasing a binned chip. But last night, purchased a 1400W dissipation S&A CW-5200DH water chiller for it! Get ready for some numbers to fly!

 

A few on various discussion forums are now speculating that the X chips might have a higher chance to be better binned than the non X, since they need to support XFR

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11143...or-under-330-preorder-today-on-sale-march-2nd
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3171...ntels-core-i7-at-a-fraction-of-the-price.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3172...-preview-ryzen-7-outperforms-intels-best.html

So what if already binned, the other companies bin within the bin, meaning you get a chip that is higher out of the pack.

Edit:
@Papusan I need you in to comment on a 1601 cinebench score on the Ryzen [email protected].
Even comparing not with the numbers they showed today in the presentation for the 6900K (most likely dual channel ram), it beats the higher 1542 number from PCWorld's analysis. That should say something!

 

Happy to know the majority of us is right, for sure I'm dropping some big money on my Ryzen build.

My possible config:

• R7 1700X
• B350 mobo
• 16GB/32GB DDR4 RAM
• FirePro S9010 (previously bought in eBay)

Should be a safe bet.

 

I'm leaning to an X370 setup:

1800X
MSI X370 Titanium
32GB Trident Z 4133 (4x8gb scavenged from my 6700K build, BTW, know anyone that needs a 6700K and M8E)
EVGA 980 Ti (moving the TT water 3.0 ultimate over to cool it)
EK monoblock (evidently because of using the same phases, the z270 monoblock will work with it)!
S&A CW-5200DH w/ 13L/m and a cooling range down to 5C


Any thoughts?

 

eye-ing

1700X
Asus Crosshair VI Hero
Undecided RAM, 16GB is the sure amount
Undecided GPU, will wait for Vega 10

 

Definitely better than mine, especially on graphics and cooling. I'm kinda low on budget so have to cut a few corners, hopefully it can be done within HK$4500-5000, the previous HK$4000 budget is just impossible for my config.

P.S. Heard a horror story on my friend's £3000 water cooled system, basically some coolant leaked and the whole system went down for months. I demand a low-maintenance system so water cooling just isn't for me. The new Wraith cooler looks very sexy for a stock cooler though.

 

A Cooler Master Ryzen compatibility table for their coolers:
http://www.eteknix.com/cooler-master-announces-amd-ryzen-am4-compatibility-list/

Cooler Master Press Release with Compatibility table:
http://www.coolermaster.com/company/press-release-M1701190001f278-20170119.html?page=1

It looks like the Cooler Master Maker 8 fits (but check with mfgr), which is the cooler I am looking at for the 1800x.
http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-air-cooler/masterair-maker-8/

Cooler Master AMD Socket AM4 Upgrade Kit Announced
Confirms AM4 CPU Cooler Compatibility
https://nasilemaktech.com/2017/02/14/cooler-master-amd-socket-am4-upgrade-kit/

Order Cooler Master AM4 upgrade kit here:
http://www.coolermaster.com/we-are-ready-for-your-am4-socket/

I've had good and bad Liquid cooling experiences, so I try the best air-cooling available first to see if I can live with that for "normal" OC'ing.

Any other air-cooling suggestions for the 1800x?

 

I understand. I'm taking the water 3.0 ultimate from my last build, the ram ($400 USD) from my last build, the case from my last build, the video card from my last build, the PSU from my last build (basically everything except the MB and CPU from my last build), then adding the industrial water chiller, the monoblock, the CPU and MB, etc. This means getting good compression fittings and using quick disconnects on the chiller to easily replace the liquid in the system. Because the GPU is using an AIO and I am using a corsair ram fan, I should be fine with no leaks.

Edit: BTW, my water 3.0 ultimate is setup in push/pull with 6xnoctua iPPC 3000 fans!

Edit 2: Here is my last build:

Asus Maximus VIII Extreme, G.Skill 4133MHz - Running 3733MHz (MB limitation)@1.47V@ 14-17-17-36-280 with Corsair CMXAF2 Ram fans, EVGA 980 Ti Classified (OC specs to come), [email protected]@1.42V everyday stable, Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate AIO (push/pull 6xNoctua iPPC 3000), EVGA 1600 Ti PSU (for later SLI setups), Thermaltake X9 Cube, Intel 600P NVME

 

I've been looking for the same thing for Corsair's AIO coolers. Some are compatible, some need an upgrade kit. https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cases_cooling/corsair_releases_socket_am4_compatibility_info/1

 

It's almost certain AMD will do its own binning, especially in the beginning when fab is less mature.

With that said, the spec gap between the two is small.

 

http://semiaccurate.com/2017/02/22/amds-ryzen-7-1800x-beats-intels-i7-6900k-half-price/

"Cinebench may be seen as a non-representative benchmark for some but SemiAccurate is confident that Ryzen’s performance will hold up across a wide range of benchmarks. This last bit may explain why Intel PR sent out a last-minute 'call us before you write' email to most of the press, but not SemiAccurate, after hours last night. You could infer that they are suddenly really worried about something. In case we read that wrong, they should be."

 

Lisa Su mentioned Ryzen Mobile at 23:36 mark, for 2nd half of 2017



pretty interesting.... A Clevo with R7 inside anyone?

 

Looks like you can already pre-order motherboards and CPU's on Newegg.

 

In Linus's coverage there was a benchmark demo station with 2 laptops included, and I almost passed out

Turns out they were showing the effects of simultaneous load + streaming and lag / dropped frames on 7700k vs 1700:

Spoiler: Starts at 7:30

 

You and me both, but shortly after I realized the real reason.

I do hope, but it is unlikely. Why? Just read the above post, or here it is for convenience (clevo sold themselves a while ago, so they got a special order as well):

I guess this video was spot-on then:

Let's clean-up, shall we?

 

@tgipier , @Papusan , @triturbo - great article on comparing dual and quad channel on an Intel 6-core!

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2982...e-shocking-truth-about-their-performance.html

 

Stolen from Undervolter at Overclock.net

 

It's a shame he is not with AMD anymore. But why Tesla tho....

Dr Lisa Su deserves credits as well

 

As I've said before, he is like Mary Poppins! He goes to where he is needed to move the industry, as a whole, forward! That includes Tesla which is trying to create systems for self-driving vehicles!

Edit: Su pulled shelved tech from years ago and integrated into a magnificent showing!

 

Hnnng. $330 65 watt TDP 8 core. Imagine those things or one of the 65 watt 6 cores instead of i7 7700Ks in notebooks.

The notebook market might finally be getting hardware competition after all these years. I look forward to a Ryzen + Vega notebook in the future.

 

That is reporters, not experts, playing with LN2... So far, it goes 19MHz lower than the top frequency record on hwbot:
http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_6900k/

Also, that score is higher than the world record on the 6900K, which is 2146.




@Johnksss@iBUYPOWER @Mr. Fox @Papusan @bloodhawk - Thoughts?

Edit: adding content from two later posts for anyone else that later reads this post:

To be fair, the intel chips cited above pull 1.54V on dry ice for the 6900K 5220 MHz and 1.625V for the cinebench score, running at 5.1GHz. One potential reason for the high voltage on the AMD is that they just set the voltage high to show an over 5.0GHz score. The other explanation could be that it takes more voltage to accomplish the same, meaning AMD, once again, tuned the voltage to the maximal heat/multiplier ratio and above that, it gets very hot very quick and requires more voltage to get there.

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_6900k/
http://hwbot.org/submission/3352024_paralyzer2005_cpu_frequency_core_i7_6900k_5220_mhz
http://hwbot.org/submission/3249358_darkvenom_cinebench___r15_core_i7_6900k_2146_cb

In light of my idiocy, new comparison:

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_5960x/
http://hwbot.org/submission/2921913_the_overclocking_knights_cpu_frequency_core_i7_5960x_6655_mhz
http://hwbot.org/submission/3233876_the_overclocking_knights_cinebench___r15_core_i7_5960x_2445_cb

Now, the [email protected] ryzen score versus the 2445 world record on the 5960X, with the 5960X running at [email protected] is very telliing. You get way higher top frequency on Intel, but it says that in the right hands, the 1800X may still edge it out in some benches!

Edit 2: The voltage used on the Ryzen chip is 1.875V!

 

That's interesting, indeed. It certainly looks promising and offers a ray of hope where there was only gloom and despair before.

It will be even more interesting if it becomes relevant. (Relevant as in a full bore no compromise desktop Ryzen CPU available in a Clevo laptop.) I'd still want to have an AMD GPU that was worth a damn. But, I don't know if we will ever see one again. It would need to be a better overclocker than NVIDIA's best GPU before I would want it. I have a hard time with the concept of pairing an AMD CPU and NVIDIA GPU(s). I know it works, but it's like an unholy marriage or something.

 

I may grab a setup and run some updated benchmarks with it. I'll need to actually check with my teammates to see if that is really worth it though.

 

Earlier, I posted some articles for D2 in this thread. Turns out they adopted the tile method like Nvidia and said it gave an extreme boost in performance. Also it discusses the new HBM controller and hints at the potential for heterogeneous memory usage. So, it may not be that far behind for their flagship, especially since it supposedly touts a 12.5TF output. They also changed the processing. It is an article worth reading.

Edit: @Mr. Fox - here are the articles!


Decent article. First I heard about the L2 cache utilization was like 3-6 months ago (I want to say August, but no sure). But this discusses some of the stuff from this month, including quite a bit of comparison to Nvidia's way of doing things, etc...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11002/the-amd-vega-gpu-architecture-teaser/3

Here is another article - http://semiaccurate.com/2017/01/17/amd-talks-vega-high-level/

To be fair, the intel chips cited above pull 1.54V on dry ice for the 6900K 5220 MHz and 1.625V for the cinebench score, running at 5.1GHz. One potential reason for the high voltage on the AMD is that they just set the voltage high to show an over 5.0GHz score. The other explanation could be that it takes more voltage to accomplish the same, meaning AMD, once again, tuned the voltage to the maximal heat/multiplier ratio and above that, it gets very hot very quick and requires more voltage to get there.

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_6900k/
http://hwbot.org/submission/3352024_paralyzer2005_cpu_frequency_core_i7_6900k_5220_mhz
http://hwbot.org/submission/3249358_darkvenom_cinebench___r15_core_i7_6900k_2146_cb

So, until I know a bit more on the voltage and why set that high, I'd hold off on a setup, even though I'm looking at that CW-5200DH setup (bought that chiller last night) and an 1800X. I'll still wait to see average overclock before purchasing the MB and CPU.

 

@ajc9988

That benchmark its pretty much irrelevant to me as it doesnt even to cover certain softwares.

I do like where this is going.

I wont touch an AMD chip, but if thats get intel releasing Skylake E better, its all good news to me.

 

You're cracking me up with that.
Do you know why that is? And why they chose that chip to compare?
I will give you the part about it being cheaper though.

But....That chip comes nowhere remotely close to a 5960X. This is why there are no real benchmarks showing on hwbot for a 6900K. Who wants to bench a losing chip? They did that for hardware points not world record points.
http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_5960x/

 

What can I say, off my game this morning, but thank you for pointing that out and making me laugh at myself!

 

All good my friend!, but you see how they tried steering everyone away from this point. If you want the title you need to go after the best. And the 6900K was a waste and not the best. Didn't you and I talk about this before and you asked me if I was getting one....Way back when? I could be wrong there, but I said nope because that chip couldn't beat my current chip.

Edit:
Side note: We shall wait for the real scores to come out later though....Maybe AMD did pull a rabbit out of their hat and are really on to something. Me personally....I'm not any part specific. So if that is better then I'll jump on the AMD train, but it needs to be better at at least 70 percent of all benchmarks to make that viable to me.

 

In light of my idiocy, new comparison:

http://hwbot.org/submission/2921913_the_overclocking_knights_cpu_frequency_core_i7_5960x_6655_mhz
http://hwbot.org/submission/3233876_the_overclocking_knights_cinebench___r15_core_i7_5960x_2445_cb

Now, the [email protected] ryzen score versus the 2445 world record on the 5960X, with the 5960X running at [email protected] is very telliing. You get way higher top frequency on Intel, but it says that in the right hands, the 1800X may still edge it out in some benches!

Edit: and yes, we did have that conversation awhile back!!!

 

I think you better take a closer look at that picture.
My 4k monitor seems to show that as being [email protected] on that AMD chip. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. So no way is that chip running on some standard heatsink and air. LOL

 

It does say 1.875V and in the post with the pic, I mentioned this was reporters playing with LN2 after the main press event. But it is always good for people to know what is being said and compared!

Edit: also, one reporter that has been playing with his sample on DICE and LN2 said in passing NO COLD BUG...

 

To be fair, the intel chips cited above pull 1.54V on dry ice for the 6900K 5220 MHz and 1.625V for the cinebench score, running at 5.1GHz. One potential reason for the high voltage on the AMD is that they just set the voltage high to show an over 5.0GHz score. The other explanation could be that it takes more voltage to accomplish the same, meaning AMD, once again, tuned the voltage to the maximal heat/multiplier ratio and above that, it gets very hot very quick and requires more voltage to get there.

Okay, I miss read that part in bold italics. Sorry!
It might have made more sense to add the 1.875V in the equation.

 

@Johnksss@iBUYPOWER - no problem. This is the part I mentioned it:

But I should have put that voltage where you mentioned I should have...

 

It's all good. Nobody is off. We all want to see AMD be successful. That would be amazing.

I don't read those tech articles too much because I do not care for hypothetical analysis. I only care about results. I definitely want NVIDIA to get rag-dolled by AMD real bad. But, I hate being disappointed, so I will wait until I see the overclocked benchmarks. (I don't care about stock performance either. If AMD were to beat NVIDIA stock but can't keep up once the overclocking starts, then it's still a decisive lose for AMD.)

I like what I see developing with Ryzen, but unless they can deliver a CPU and GPU combo under the AMD banner that trounces Intel and NVIDIA, I will not likely jump on the bandwagon. If they do, it will be wonderful and I will be among those joyfully celebrating the underdog's destruction of their unhealthy monopoly. If that then makes its way to mobile monsterbooks like the P870DM3, then I will be even happier.

 

Well, you only have a week until the Capsaicin and Cream event with the unveiled Vega details....
http://wccftech.com/amd-confirms-rx-500-series-preview-capsaicin-cream-l/

 

Only time will tell..... Until then....I'll just hold on to this 5960X, even though they say the 1700x beats it at stock.

 

Yep, Holding on my 5960x until Skylake E or Kaby Lake E.

Until AMD makes an chip that actively competes with 6950x/12 core intel with quad channel, I doubt I will look their way.

Same goes for GPU.

 

Well, with the way they constructed the chip, it is made in groups of four cores. This means they may do a 12 core in a year or two. It doesn't make sense quite yet because this release is about showing competition and that they are viable. They also don't know how much they would get on sales. Most likely, Naples opteron chips may have a 12C/24T or 16C/32T chip that may peak your interest, of course based on if it is unlocked...

 

Now give me that 1800X in a Notebook. I'd jump on it almost immediately! Don't know why i should stay with Intel just for the higher prices. If that thing works, it's bought. 8 cores, 16 Threads in a Notebook at an acceptable price... holy cow!

 

AMD has never had a 8/16 in a laptop before......So.........Can they make it happen in a reasonable amount of time.....

 

Even if they wouldn't do it. Clevo could.
Just imagine the possibilities for advertisement: First full fledged Eightcore in a Notebook!