AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

Amd-radeon-rx-vega-shortages-will-last-until-october.

"As you can see, Digitimes also mentions that Nvidia Volta chips might have been delayed from late 2017 towards Q1 2018. here again I can only speculate that in that case the reason would be the lack of competition." Aka back to zero!!!



Btw. And who would purchase used graphics on the web nowadays? Save a few bucks and maybe you are the happy owner of the nice powerful graphics 1/2 a year. I'm sure you know it ain't used on mining

 

Adequate quantities, new partner cards, and holiday sale pricing, just in time for Black Friday and Holiday shopping

 

And playing the HBM2 lottery Yeah, As well buy a used graphics on the web. Maybe you get a nice deal

 

Buying used products for Xmas gift giving is typically frowned upon, the retailers need new product sold, not resales of old product by owners.

 

Coverage doesn't really matter if you don't have a full microfin assembly running through the coldplate.



Maybe on one hand they did redesign the plate to be 100% coverage and larger fin area, but on the other hand it's also easier to just use the existing fin design and just enlarge the plate.

 

The fin plate internally also needs expansion, not just the external cold plate, and expanding the EK block plate while allowing screw holes to be in the heat path is a bad move.

These water block guys need to be spending more than 30 seconds on these designs for new larger surface area cooling plates / fin assemblies.

 

Ikr.

Waiting for gamersnexus to tear it down xD

 

Cost of HBM2 vs. GDDR5 & Why AMD Had to Use It

 

Inno3D Warns that mining can break Warranty on their GPUs
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/inno3d-warns-that-mining-can-break-warranty-on-their-gpus.html

"Well, that was bound to happen. Inno3D is the first [GPU] manufacturer to warn cryptocurrency coin-miners that they are possible voiding the warranty on their cards. See, graphics cards are not design to do full load 24/7/365, and that is exactly what miners are doing.

We're pretty sure that the RMA return rates have gone up ever since the mining hype started. Inno3D is the first to issue a warning. Thing is though, if a card breaks down after all that abuse, how would Inno3D ever figure out that it was used for mining?"

It brings up the question, what is the lifespan of a graphics card with normal usage? I had this discussion once with folks from Nvidia, and in their believe with pretty hefty daily gaming that would average out roughly at 5 years. At one point the GPU will start leaking. If you place that 5 years into perspective compared to what miner are doing with them, I dunno maybe the cards are bound to die after a year or less?

So, while this info is not listed at their website, a reddit user recently bought a (GTX1060 6GB Ichill x3 V2), Inno3D is adding a sticker onto that packaging that makes the message clear, as spotted on reddit."
https://www.reddit.com/r/EtherMining/comments/6vypif/inno3d_warns_that_mining_can_break_warranty_on/

"I can see other AIB partners following this protocol, I just cannot see how they would validate the fact the card was used for mining."

Tequila Posts: 569 Joined: 2003-03-08 #5466399 Posted on: 08/25/2017 03:16 PM
"Most major manufacturers have added this by stealth to their warranty agreements, for example, PNY:

THIS WARRANTY SHALL NOT APPLY WHERE PRODUCT(S) ARE USED TO ANY DEGREE, OUTSIDE OF NORMAL INTENDED USE, WHICH SHALL INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO �MINING� (e.g., Cryptocurrency, Data Mining, Mining Farms).

http://www.pny.com/support/technical-support/geforce-graphics-cards/warranties-policies
http://www.pny.com/File Library/Sup.../GeForce Graphics/3-Year-Limited-Warranty.pdf

I think surely this would also make 'gaming' GPU's used for Machine Learning (or CUDA programming) also void of warranty, but as others have stated, I would find this difficult to prove."

If there is a devastating life span reduction for desktop GPU's when mining, just imagine how much stress mining and other 24/7 compute puts on Laptop GPU's (and CPU's).

 

I agree, GPU's are not meant for this amount of abuse. The other side is buying a used card that was used for mining/. How much life is left in that used card?

The other thing I would like to see is undervolting of the vega 64. I mean in that around 200 watts it seems the Vega56 was running so great how well would the Vega 64 be at say 225 watts? I think AMD way overshot the expected output of the cards. There is no way of getting 1080 TI performance so why bother trying just to fail?

 

Very nice as they sell 31% more Graphics Cards Thanks to Mining I'm sure they will go in + although with some fryed cards in return

 

On the contrary, those huge numbers of sales to 24/7 Mining use opens them up to huge costs in warranty support.

If you are using GPU's for mining, read the warranty for those disclaimers about not supporting such usage.

There's no way companies are going to pay out on burnt GPU's doing mining now.

 

The question is which of those who will lose in the end. The Customer or Seller. The big hope must be that the cards lasts longer than the warranty Or.. And the Customer sell it before the card go up in smoke. The end user will loose

 

The point to take away is, if the GPU vendor doesn't have faith in their build quality to mine 24/7, and has a warranty disclaimer for mining, look for a better built GPU to buy for mining.

 

Yoo expect the customers will pay more? Cheap in, mining and try sell with minimum loss

 

If a GPU has no warranty support for mining, you'd be foolish to purchase that GPU for mining.

Heck, now that I think about it, I don't think I'd want to buy it for gaming either. If the GPU maker doesn't have enough faith in their GPU design and build to stand behind 24/7 use, why would I want that GPU?

Inno3D Warns that mining can break Warranty on their GPUs
Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Yesterday at 3:00 PM.
https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/inno3d-warns-that-mining-can-break-warranty-on-their-gpus.416506/

"Another question comes up from this... If manufacturer of "dead because of mining" graphic card can obtain from NVidia telemetry data send by NVidia driver and/or GeForce Eperience (never did a check: can graphic card SN can be inserted into graphics card BIOS?) and use it as a proof that GPU was (ab)used 24/7 for months/years for mining?... just wondering, hmmmm...."

"This says to me that Inno3D cards quality is poor and I should never buy them. Seriously, graphic card should work for those 2 years after purchase no matter what you do with it, today`s electronic devices are advanced enough to just lower clocks and voltages even when put into cramped case. If their product cant live thru 2 years of 24/7 usage then they should just stop cutting corners with component quality... Bad PR move on their part...."

 

RX Vega Owners Thread, Tests, Mods, BIOS & Tweaks !
https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/r...s-mods-bios-tweaks.416287/page-3#post-5466617

"Sapphire Vega 64 liquid cooled owner here. Ask me anything lol...

Stable at 1837 Mhz on stock voltage. What I find very interesting here is increasing memory clocks far outperforms GPU clocks. This is likely due to throttling on the GPU core but not the memory. In both tests power profile was set to custom and +50% power limit. That first score is memory set to 1100Mhz with no increase in voltage. The second is 1837mhz core and the third is stock.

*bonus overclocked and overvolted Fury X score.



Compare some of the GTX 1080 overclocked scores here: https://forums.evga.com/GTX-1080-FT...t-your-GTX-10701080-scores-here-m2513575.aspx

Looks like its still a performance winner by even the most massively overclocked 1080s"

 

Initial setup of my TR build with an AIO and the idle temps fluctuate between 29 to 44C. This is an open air setup though with a single 200mm (front case) fan running. No OC (I wouldn't dare do that with an AIO). I'll run some benchmarks soon.

 

Do any gaming GPUs have warranty support for mining?

 

Check the ones sold as mining cards

Otherwise, non-mining specific cards would be covered unless explicitly stated as not supported under warranty.

If the failure rate is high enough for suspect mining usage cards, and a vendor add's a warranty disclaimer for mining, that tells me to stay away from those cards for any use.

 

I forgot, which board did you get? I just pulled the trigger on the Asrock Taichi.

@LunaP - In case you didn't know about this thread on NBR!

 

Asus Zenith Extreme

 

Nice! Coming soon we'll need to see pre-loop and post-loop to see what each of us gets on our OC...

 

Congrats on the purchase BRO. These procs are amazing.

Later on tonight, I'm going to add in my fans, repaste with better TIM and try 3.9 all core. I'm planning a two loop system, cpu/gpus separate.

Tip: you have to use a lot of force to secure the proc into the socket. It's a b**** to get in

 

Nice. I'll being using the TT 3.0 Ultimate until I get the parts for the custom loop and will be busy until around mid-September, so it will take a bit to get my numbers, although the CPU and MB will be here by the end of next week. Don't forget to turn off HPET! It seriously hits performance. Also, Lunap mentioned in the overclock.net forum on forcing wintimer resolution to 1ms (as an alternative to turning HPET off). But there is tons of troubleshooting going on over there and new beta BIOS for your board. http://www.overclock.net/t/1636566/...me-x399-threadripper-overclocking-support/130

I'll likely be using the Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut when the parts finish coming in. I'm planning single loop, at minimum 2x480s.

 

F1 2017 Benchmark, Vega 56 vs. GTX 1070

 

Cooling Threadripper - Noctua TR4 NH-U14s U12s vs 240mm AIO

 

An ALL-AMD Gaming PC from DELL??


It looks like Amazon has already sold out of that particular $950 configuration, and are now offering one higher and one lower cost configuration:
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_qz_back?sf=qz&rh=i:aps,kell+Inspiron+Gaming+5675&keywords=Dell+Inspiron+Gaming+5675&unfiltered=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1503873826

" The computer it self runs great. The CPU is a beast and is easily ...
By Amazon Customer on July 23, 2017

Recently purchased through Dell with the ryzen 1700x and rx 570 through a promotion. The "500" series cards they are putting in these are really just 400 series of amd that have been flashed in the bios to read as 500's. The computer it self runs great. The CPU is a beast and is easily overclockable. The motherboard is garbage. It is a dell variant of the x370 boards that work with and ryzen. All of dells bios are locked past basic settings so there's no way to actually check the setting on your cards or if they tampered with anything else. This is still a good deal for the CPU and build of the computer. It is sleek and runs pretty quiet for the most part. The blue lighting also does look very cool. Just very discouraging that Dell would try to pull a fast one on there customers thinking they are too stupid to know and better."

IDK if this is true, given it's a comment on Amazon

But, it's something to look for when you buy it, perhaps even ask Dell in an email, chat, or ticket to get an official answer on record before you buy it.

There were people posting that they could flash 5xx firmware on 4xx GPU hardware, so it's thought to be possible...but not a good idea as the 5xx hardware has been beefed up to maintain higher power requirements, so don't do it to your own 4xx GPU

 

That...that's legal?

 

IDK if it's even true, given it's a comment on Amazon

But, it's something to look for when you buy it, perhaps even ask Dell in an email, chat, ticket to get they answer on record.

There were people posting that they could flash 5xx firmware on 4xx GPU hardware, so it's possible...but it could be an unhappy Dell customer turned wise guy trying to dis Dell

 

Better advice... Skip Dell!! You could risk a new cancer firmware down the road. With no possibility for re-flash to a working firmware!!

 

This is exactly what AMD needs. That is to get them out of the hands of just enthusiasts to the general public.

 

Yup, Dell sells "millions" of computers, and there are plenty of PC's much more expensive sold with far less computing power as the Ryzen + RX 580 at the same price.

And, the BIOS locked down will be a relief to parents trying to keep their kids from "messing around" with the family PC

 

Miners Losing Warranty?? + Vega Stock Update!

 

Ghost Recon: Wildlands Benchmarks - Threadripper 1950x and 1080TI - 1080 | 1440 | 4K
Check out the OSD showing 32 CPU threads

 

Level1 Linux - Setting up PCIe Passthrough on Fedora on (X299 and) Threadripper systems
2 hours 23 minutes...

 

Exactly what Dell needs too, pawn as much junk off as possible. Linus tested Inspiron 5675, I retrieved the Regulatory Compliance Sheet from Dell. It listed all three power supply options as having passed 80Plus certification (otherwise knows as EM / ECO models)

Spoiler: EM models have an 80 Logo

AC460EM & D460EM (80Bronze) appear on the regulatory sheet below

Now that the government's been fooled, they pull the old switcheroo & ship out junk non-80Plus rated models (as they do with Aurora R5/R6 & all Graphics Amplifiers using same 460watt model ... ewwww) --> non-80s are Dell's easily spotted junk AM models, see screenshot above of Linus' PSU (AM models failed to even get the entry-level 80 Rating, which is a step below Bronze, hence the loss of an 80 logo). Open fraud like that should be illegal

Spoiler: DM1RW AM Model Label

No love for Aurora owners: junk non-80 DM1RW spotted on eBAY
#JustSayin

 

A decent system for undiscerning folks on a budget who don't want to build their own! Ha, no, that's not a negative statement really - as Linus said they'd be looking to sell a heap of these to the mainstream, good for AMD, it's decent for what it is!

 

Andddd the XFX - AMD Radeon RX Vega 56 is sold out, except at Bestbuy.com who wants an extra $100. I guess I am sticking with Nvidia for now.

 

I looked at 6 and 7am and didn't see it, so stopped looking. Just wait until Oct., when the market delivers more cards and the bios is more refined. Better experience anyways.

 

Now they are sold out too at BB

 

Gigabyte Aorus x399 Gaming 7 Review - Threadripper Build Episode #1


WTF are all of the X399 Reviews?

 

It looks like the RX 580 is back down to $349 at Microcenter, 2 models at that price available now:
http://www.microcenter.com/search/s...645&NTX=&NTT=&NTK=all&page=1&sortby=pricehigh

 

I am seeing that price everywhere and surprise, surprise it is available in a lot of places now. I told Brad about it and I think he purchased one. Unfortunately for AMD, I wanted two of the 56's for my Rage Red build but it looks like that won't happen.

 

Maybe it will, just in S*L*O*W**M*O*T*I*O*N*

 

FINALLY, my EK TR block is on its way to me. I have some consumer SSD's (960 EVO, 850 EVO and more) coming in and most of my compression fittings and new reservoir will be here this week. I am going with soft tubing for this build as it will be a waste of time to build intricate rigid lines that won't be seen due to the placement of the mobo in this case.

Thanks to @ajc9988 I realize why my computer slows down periodically - damn Asus software.

 

Dang...

 

If only every game ran as well on AMD cards as Doom does.

 

1950X/1080 at stock -

Cinebench R15 - 2965 points

Firestrike - 19,992 - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/13482034

 

Pretty much negates using the Asus software, especially if you wanted the fan control on it, because of it turning on HPET!