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    Alleged Intel Core i7-8086K 40th Anniversary Processor Leaked and Benchmarked – 6c/12t , 5.1 ghz !

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by wyvernV2, Apr 15, 2018.

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    so thus far we have the lowest clocking 8700k stable at max. 4.8 Ghz (according to silicon lottery). which makes sense, considering that one core max. boost of 8700k is 4.7 ghz and since intel doesnt determine the best core like AMD does they have to ensure that all cores are capable to achieve 4.7 ghz stable.

    so with the 8086K we have a single core turbo of 5.0 ghz, thus the absolute worst clocking cpus would be at 5.0-5.1 ghz all cores. thats 200-300 mhz more than the 8700k.

    curious to see if the max bins will also be able to push 200-300 mhz, thus resulting in golden chips doing 5.5-5.6 ghz with ambient cooling solutions (8700k golden chips being 5.3 ghz).

    problem here is that theres only gonna be 50.000 cpus available worldwide, so not much room / volume for golden cpu bins to pop up anywhere but the most exclusive / "thicc" wallets capable to pay for them

    Sent from my Xiaomi Mi Max 2 (Oxygen) using Tapatalk
     
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    Well, it looks like Intel figured out how to take their $350 8700k CPU, skim the top binned 8700k's, and squeeeeeze another $100 out of their most loyal customers.

    Leaving the bottom binned 8700k's...for everyone else. :(
     
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    The way I look at it is that if I win they sweepstakes, I'm getting the squeeze on intel.
     
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    challenge accepted ;) :D

    although were not in direct competition due to different regions haha :p

    afaik the drawing of the winners is due next monday, right?
     
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    I've already seen one chip that can do 5.4Ghz on a YouTube video, if we see more at 5.4Ghz all core or higher, I will be all over this chip. Until then if it's a guaranteed 5.0Ghz or 5.2Ghz chip, meh I have that already with my 8700K and it's not even delidded yet.

    Plus the limited edition, anniversary thing naming thing is cool IMO. Ahh Marketing 101. Such a sucker I am.
     
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    Yes, that is the important of this processor! I do not have any desktop to put in, but I purchased immediately one, because it is a really special one, only 50.000 of them are made. I will either build a computer based on it or if Ebay prices will go up to $1000 I will sell it.
     
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    lol i hope this statement was meant ironically :D
     
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    No, people are giving $1000 for first gen Iphones and still more than a million exist worldwide and they good for nothing. This CPU is limited, anniversary and very capable.
     
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    well yeah, but the iphone is quite iconic and was basically revolutionary for general smartphone design. what does the 8086K bring to the table? other than commemorating a completely different chip that ACTUALLY revolutionized computer hardware?

    the fact that its a limited edition is not sufficient for it to go to staggering heights on the resale market...
     
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    That is the cool factor, this I7-8086K carries the name of the CPU, which revolutionized computer hardware and it is released on it is 40th birthday. Imagine 50.000 limited edition Iphones on the 40th birthday of the first gen ;). Their price would be insane.
    However if that $1000 price tag won't happen, I will still have a rare Intel CPU in my desktop, that I gonna build.
     
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    not saying its not a cool cpu, it definitely is. just doubtful that it will reach a popularity thats anything close to the original iphone :)
     
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    Not only is the 8086K *not* a real 8086, the 8086K is part of the long span of now insecure without slowdown patches in the firmware and OS that pull it's appeal right down to zero...especially after the new architecture CPU's release.

    After the new CPU architectures release noone is going to want to power up the broken Intel CPU's from the generation of insecure CPU's.

    You can't imagine it now perhaps, but try to imagine you had a choice between a much faster CPU, with new instructions, a new powerful architecture, with advances outside that of the repaired secure implementation.

    Add to that not needing to deal with the problematic and ever changing firmware and OS patches, with new vulnerability discoveries coming out regularly, which will stop when the new architecture is released - no more attention needs be paid to the broken old CPU's.

    Like the 8700K / 8086K.

    Zero Interest. Coming soon. :)
     
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    Dude, the top 8086K Ultra's are $47 - $212 USD "better" than the top 8700K Ultra. :D

    Core i7-8086K @ 5,2 GHz - Ultra Edition - $1,119.12 USD
    https://www.caseking.de/en/der8auer-core-i7-8086k-5-2-ghz-ultra-edition-hpit-525.html

    Core i7-8086K @ 5,1 GHz - Ultra Edition - $954.18 USD
    https://www.caseking.de/en/der8auer-core-i7-8086k-5-1-ghz-ultra-edition-hpit-524.html

    Core i7-8700K @ 5,1 GHz - Ultra Edition - $907.06 USD
    https://www.caseking.de/en/der8auer-core-i7-8700k-5-1-ghz-ultra-edition-cpbu-161.html

    Google currency conversion used from Euro to USD.
     
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    So are we talking already about the $1000 price tag? One more thing to say near this processor; maybe this is the fastest CPU that can be used with Windows 7 ?
     
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    well, youll have to consider several things:

    - Euro € pricing is always WAY higher than USD pricing, ull have to consider the insane taxes and just ridonculous conversion rates (which are nothing like the official rates)
    - the prices are very dependent on the scarcity of each bin. since the 8086K is a limited edition and its MSRP is 425 USD and thus higher than that of the 8700K, uve got two more reasons to pay extra
    - dont forget that the "special" editions offered by caseking include custom IHS, which in the Ultra Edition is made of pure silver. that drives the price up even more

    @Atom Ant so its just 1k USD because of the above mentioned factors. going with silicon lottery might get u a much better pricing, but with regular IHS. or just get a regular retail CPU for the MSRP :)
     
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    Not English speaking, but good info in the screenshots, new info of interest. He has a couple more interesting videos about the new 8086K on his channel, and I expect him to put out more videos.

    Lucky_n00b Vlog: De-lidding Core i7-8086K
    Jagat Review
    Published on Jun 10, 2018
    The Core i7-8086K still uses a TIM similar to its other Coffee Lake, so serious overclockers wanting to get maximum overclockability must do de-lidding and replace their default TIM.

    Lucky_n00b Vlog: Extreme Overclocking Core i7-8086K @ 7.3 Ghz+
    Jagat Review
    Published on Jun 10, 2018
    Here is a short extreme OC session from Core i7-8086K Limited Edition, using LN2 cooler.

    Lucky_n00b Vlog: Hands-on Overclocking Core i7-8086K - Lowest Vcore @ 5Ghz
    Jagat Review
    Published on Jun 9, 2018
    Core i7-8086K Limited Edition has a Turbo 1-Core rating that can touch 5 Ghz. Well, how low CPU Voltage (VCore) does this unit need to achieve 5Ghz all-core overclock? Will this show significant difference with most 8700K?
     
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    The Intel Core i7-8086K Review-anandtech.com
    In our ‘stock’ results, this analysis bore fruit. In most benchmarks, the 8086K was on par with the 8700K. In a few, like CineBench R15 ST, it took a lead and afforded a new record due to the high frequency, but in others it seemed to perform worse, such as Blender and WinRAR, likely due to the thermal performance and response of our specific chip.

    Weird results.
    [​IMG]
    The 8086K gets a new fastest single core score in CineBench R15 ST, but falls slightly behind the 8700K in MT.

    Intel Core i7-8086K: Unboxing, Hands-on, Overclocking-oc.jagatreview.com
     
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    who cares? we will switch that off anyways and continue with our regular overclocking program. business as usual :p
     
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    i7-8086K delidded and overclocked to 7244 MHz - Computex 2018
    der8auer
    Published on Jun 6, 2018
     
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    Intel charge $200 usd for that feature for i9 Mobile. If this being reality, don’t be upset if Intel will demand a few bucks extra for coming 8 core LGA. Mooore features means you will have to pay more than needed. And from what I have read of rumors that 8 cores will be branded i9 :oops:
     
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    yep, read that as well @i9 branding. still, they cant just charge whatever they want now that AMD is back in the game :)
     
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    Lol GN spent all of 14 seconds discussing 8086K ( @ 10:17)

     
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    Intel's Latest Cash Grab Stunt - The 8086k Review
    BPS Customs
    Published on Jun 17, 2018
     
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    Silicon Lottery numbers on the 8086K binning are up:

    8700K vs. 8086K (% of cpus able to reach stable clocks)
    4.9 Ghz - 99 % vs. 100 %
    5.0 Ghz - 86 % vs. 100 %
    5.1 Ghz - 50 % vs. 92 %
    5.2 Ghz - 17 % vs. 60 %
    5.3 Ghz - few and far between / < 1 % vs. 14 %

    Overall Average: 5053 Mhz 8700K vs. 5166 Mhz 8086K = +2.2 % / +113 Mhz
    Overall Median: 5100 Mhz 8700K vs. 5200 Mhz 8086K = +2.0 % / +100 Mhz

    Link: https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all

    so looks like Intel kept all the good 8700K cpus to themselves until now.... :p on average one can expect to reach about one multi higher with the 8086K vs. the "regular" 8700K.
     
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    They harvested them over the last few months, recently the 8700k numbers have actually improved. But i'd rather pay intel £30 for that binning than a random company twice as much as the CPU retails for.
     
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    I would get the 8086K, they were binned. While I think it's somewhat shady that anyone that purchased an 8700K in recent months may have gotten a shafted product, I still would get the binned one for a tad more. Luckily mine is a cherry picked sample.
     
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    No, all the reports so far I've seen have the 8086k performing the same as 8700k, including that video I posted (below) where his original 8700k did 5.1ghz and his new 8086k also did 5.1ghz.

    2% "improvement" on a single batch of Silicon Lottery 8086k samples compared against the average of the entire run of 8700k's is nothing, noise, and to suggest that it indicates "better" bins in the 8086k is misleading.

    More likely the production process has improved from beginning shipments of the 8700k until now, and both 8086k and current 8700k are benefiting from the process improvements.

    If you need that class of compute, get an AMD 2600x, if you are looking for more compute performance through multi-core then get a 2700x or a ThreadRipper 1.0, or for even more headroom for work product throughput wait for the ThreadRipper 2.0.

    Intel couldn't even be bothered to come up with a nice presentation collectible plaque, sculpture, or even a nice presentation box. Intel gave nothing in trade for $75 more than an 8700k, nothing but flapping lip noise, nothing but baloney.
    The 8086k is clearly marketing BS, an insult to the legacy of the 8086, and Intel should be ashamed.
     
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    I'd take it, thats an easy choice lol
     
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    It's almost like AMD doesn't realize just how much they are winning against Intel.

    EDIT: Intel responded via its official verified @IntelGaming twitter account, saying:

    ". @AMDRyzen, if you wanted an Intel Core i7-8086K processor too, you could have just asked us. :) Thanks for helping us celebrate the 8086!"

    AMD really outta leave the dastardly plots and snide remarks to Intel, Intel are just so much better at it. :D
     
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    I was looking at a per month chart, tracking binning over time. They are still worse than launch.
     
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    That would mean that the quality of silicon has dropped over time since the original release, making the available pool of 8700k's "binned" to re-badge as 8086k's of poorer quality than release 8700k's.

    That must be why the "binned" 8086k's are no better than a random pick of 8700k's, answering why the 8086k stock and OC performance is no better than a randomly selected 8700k.

    What a rip-off the 8086k is turning out to be...no better than a random 8700k, yet being sold for $75 more than a stock 8700k.
     
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    From what I have seen the 8086k is around a bit better than the release batch where they were being more picky.
     
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    More FUD.

    For the truth, see https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/1412/core-i7-8086k-overclockability-silicon-lottery-stats/
     
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    You are partly correct as explained in the article @Donald@HIDevolution posted, the first batch of 8700k's were particularly good, but there were improvements in the subsequent 8700k production batches as sampling showed.
    The "FUD" started with @Meaker@Sager :)

    I was responding to his hypothesis that the 8700k quality has gotten worse since release:

    "I was looking at a per month chart, tracking binning over time. They are still worse than launch." - @Meaker@Sager

    He was responding to my post where I posited that the 8700k had gotten better OC binning results over time due to improved processes - better yield and better quality silicon.

    " More likely the production process has improved from beginning shipments of the 8700k until now, and both 8086k and current 8700k are benefiting from the process improvements."
    Thanks for confirming I was correct in my estimation in the first place, the 8700k silicon got better as Intel improved their process over time. And, Meager was partially correct, the first 8700k batch were cherry picked for best showing at release.

    Core i7-8086K Overclockability Silicon Lottery Stats
    https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/1412/core-i7-8086k-overclockability-silicon-lottery-stats/

    " 8700Ks Got Better
    There have been speculations that Intel is taking out the best binned 8700K to sell as 8086Ks, leaving only inferior silicon to sell as 8700Ks. Silicon lottery numbers for the 8700Ks show that this is not the case. In fact, the 8700K binning has improved since December last year.
    8700k got better.JPG
    The high percentages from November last year can likely be attributed to Intel taking extra caution due to higher variations in early silicon which can also help explain the low availability of initial Coffee Lake SKUs from November."
    Reviewers are finding out first hand that the 8700k and 8086k random picks have the same performance and OC headroom - no 5.3ghz gems reviewed that I have seen:

    The 8086k Review
    8700k and 8086k both max OC @ 5.1ghz

    BPS Customs
    Published on Jun 17, 2018


    A couple of Silicon Lottery test bench 5.3ghz gems after sifting through trays of 8086k's doesn't mean anything if reviewers and real owners aren't finding them to review.

    There is No fear involved, no Uncertainty, and No Doubt, it's a waste of $75 to buy an 8086k gambling on getting better performance than a random pull from new 8700k stock.

    Good luck to those of you willing to gamble your $75 on an 8086k on a chance for a 5.3ghz+ gem!!

    If you do, please come back and let us know what your best stable OC is on your new 8086k. :)

    Update: Here's another attempt to OC an 8086k, results? 5.1ghz... at high voltage, so they settled for 5.0ghz all core OC.

    Intel's Core i7-8086K CPU reviewed
    Lucky number five
    https://techreport.com/review/33786/intel-core-i7-8086k-cpu-reviewed

    And, their 2 part video, at Part 1 @ 1:06:10 "...the $75 upcharge is just not worth it"...of course he was a bit bummed at that time that he wasn't able to OC to where he wanted...listen in to his frustration and disappointment...

    Core i7-8086K unboxing and benchmarking, part 1 [Livestream archive]
     
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    Depends on the person. What you like doesn't always be the same for others... https://uk.hardware.info/reviews/83...e-best-choice-overclocking-i7-8086k-at-53-ghz
     
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    Hey, nice find, finally found a 8086k @ 5.3ghz :)

    It was at 1.44v and thermal throttling on water cooling, but at least they got a benchmark run out of it. Too bad no power consumption measurement to compare to "boxed 8086k". And, no gaming benchmarks at 5.3ghz either - just "boxed 8086k", probably not stable enough at 5.3ghz to get reliable results.

    It's all down to tuning, and delidding too - anyone notice that Silicon Lottery has stopped selling non-delidded CPU's?

    I used to recommend getting the top available bin of non-delidded SL CPU and delid it yourself for much cheaper than a higher bin delidded sku - usually you can get another step or 2 up in OC by delidding.

    Now all of Silicon Lottery's 8700k / 8086k CPU's are delidded only.
    Silicon Lottery CPUs all delidded only.JPG
     
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    yep theyve had that for a while now @delidded only. people were asking for pre-delidded cpus to be covered under warranty since most if not all SL customers would go ahead and delid their cherry picked cpu anyways.
     
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    Nice rant...but...for 'real' user data...

    We are consistently getting 5.1GHz at 1.2v static, on all 6 Cores, with temps below 90C. This is locked on all 6 Cores with the @Prema BIOS. These are stock Intel® Core™ i7-8086K 6 Core – 12 Thread Processors, not Silicon Lottery.

    Ok...fire away...I am ready for your next wall of text and other FUD.
     
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    that is veeery sweet. especially since ive found my p95 + avx thermal limit at exactly 1.2V VCore on my SL 7700K (still without thermal throttling) :) at that VCore, itll "just" do 4.8 Ghz though :p 5.1 i can do stable without any crashes as well, but just for benching. anything AVX or transcoding long-term and temps go out of control.
     
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    Its been a "u" shape, on the first batches chip makers tend to be pickier and use the most premium wafers to help avoid production issues. Then as time goes on the production line does get optimised but the clock rate may not reach first batch levels again (the yields and cost for Intel will be much better though ;) )

    See the charts, for most people it's not worth the extra but for a tweaker in a thermally limited environment where you can't just slap on a water cooler then it's a nice boost.
     
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    Core i7-8700K Overclocked to 7.34 GHz (3c/3t) on Z270 Chipset, Bags SuperPi Record
    by btarunr Jul 3rd 23:14 Discuss (65 Comments)
    German professional overclocker Dancop got the Intel Core i7-8700K processor to work on an ASUS ROG Maximus IX Apex (Z270) motherboard, something that's not supposed to work. CPU-Z screenshots seem to confirm this unholy union between the 6-core "Coffee Lake" processor and a 200-series chipset motherboard, using a custom "0084" BIOS dated 11th June, 2018. Dancop then proceeded to overclock the chip to 7344 MHz using extreme cooling, and 2x 8 GB (dual-channel) DDR4-4000 memory. This bench-stable build was then used to bag a SuperPi 32M world-record.
     
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    unholy union my a$$ :rolleyes: THAT is how its supposed to be! and looking forward to 9th series CPUs on Z170 boards! :p :D
     
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    Intel i7 8086K vs Ryzen 7 2700X Showdown - Is Stock 5GHz Worth It?
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    Published on Jul 11, 2018
    Today we compare the Intel i7 8086K, 8700k, and the AMD Ryzen 7 2700X CPU's in a productivity & gaming benchmark showdown!
     
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    Live: Overclocking i7-8086K Past 5GHz
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    This is our tenth live stream! We are overclocking the Intel i7-8086K CPU past 5GHz. Tune-in to see how far we can go!

    The Untold Story of Liquid Metal: 8086K Power, Noise, & Thermals
    Gamers Nexus
    Published on Jul 12, 2018
    We tell the 'untold story' of liquid metal, showing how we can use delidding to cut noise levels perceptually in half.
    We delidded the Intel i7-8086K and overclocked it, applyling Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut liquid metal as a cooling solution instead of thermal paste. For this testing, we'll walk through i7-8086K (and 8700K) volt-frequency results, thermals, power consumption when stock and overclocked (5GHz, 5.1GHz, 5.2GHz, etc), and noise reduction as a result of liquid metal application.
    Article is forthcoming.
     
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