Can one upgrade the gtx 980 on clevo p870dm-g to the GTX 1070 mxm?

Yes I did notice it's not as wide as the P870DM2/3. But with MSIs 1070s, like you stated, it may be possible to deal with that issue.

The problem with the Clevo 1070 cards is that they require a power? cord... And are also larger in size than the MSI 1070. And I believe that the P870DM doesn't have those cords. I dunno if the 980 (not the 980m) had the same type of cord but I think it's different.

Anyway, when you are done testing them in the p870dm, reply to me(and everyone) here please, and with pics. Would be my next buy if it works.

Well, that appears to be GREAT news. Can't wait for it.

 

The Clevo pascals *could* be wired to work from the P870DM ports since those aux ports are just powers and grounds (2 of each in DM for 4pins, 4 of each in DM2/3/KM1 for 8pins into the card, with what looks like a pair of loopback pins for detection on the 10pin mobo end?)

The bigger problem is that there is no source of Clevo cards that isn't expensive. I got my MSIs cheap, cheaper than taobao, as in hindsight it seems they were the early revs with the TB issue being dumped on ebay.

We'll see whether Eurocom continue that trend because if the upgrade cards are $1000 each then its the same conundrum that there always has been, at that price it's getting close enough to "may as well sell the P870DM and buy a new unit"

 

Just noticed... Eurocom sells a 1070 for 700€ and a 1080 for 1000€... I did find on ebay a couple of 1070s for 500€ but no SLI connector and it's not brand new condition either. If they do mantain those prices, then yeah, I might as well just sell my P870DM with SLI 980ms for like 2000 and buy a brand new DM3-KM instead...

Well, still, because of form factor and the fact that there are far more desktop upgrades than laptops(also laptop GPUs are not sold on your everyday PC shop, it's much rarer to find, ofc due to what I said before about the desktop-laptop upgrades), we can't really expect them to put the 1080 laptop at the same price as the 1080 desktop but to put it at TWICE the price... Makes me cringe just thinking about it.

 

Now, now, now. Rather than give you a spiel about how your cards are more battery efficient, I'll just point to the fact that the 980M SLI is still a very capable card setup and doesn't require intense throttling or a jet turbine to keep it cool. In all seriousness, nVidia took the easy way out on this generation and decided that doubling TDP was acceptable design. Is it really acceptable though? Think about it. It shouldn't be. The cards should be approximately the same size and have similar cooling requirements. That's the elementary design challenge behind any piece of technology: to maintain the size and power requirements while increasing performance.

nVidia needs more than anything to wake up and not accept mediocrity. But until they do, Eurocom will be there to supply the cards we can swap into our P870DM models. And to the extent of my knowledge, the Z170 chipset is still featured in the P870DM3. So if you really wanted to, you could drill some extra USB 3.0 ports in your laptop. I don't recommend it, but the option is there.

 

You need cards always go to @woodzstack

 

Sorry, wrong, Pascal is way more efficient than Maxwell... I'm running power boosted 1070s on woosy heatsinks from 2012, that struggled to keep stock 980Ms under 90C when retrofitted into the same P370EM, and I'm getting similar 70-80C temps to my super OCed (1350+mhz) 980Ms on much larger P870DM heatsinks and fans

The notebook 1070 in its usual 115W form uses only slightly more than a 980M and offers nearly double the performance.

I don't need a crystal ball to see the 1070s will run ice cold when they finally get into my P870DM (well, at stock, until I overclock the fubeguck out of them)

Heres the heatsinks side by side:......

Double the fin depth
Bigger, more heat pipes
Unified full plate design (cf/ 2 piece)

The 1080 wasn't the first 200W GPU either, you should compare it to the 980DT not 980M. While Nvidia annoyed everyone by dropping the reference mxm design, fact is it's a struggle to fit enough circuitry and components on the board to reliably handle 150W (stock). The MSI 1070s I have couldn't make the 3.0b size of 82x105mm and they are absolutely bloody chockers - hardly a square mm without a component! Have a look I think its post #2 in my upgrade thread (sig)

 

yup, I got these covered, if anyone needs. Just click on my avatar and start conversation or ask in a thread.

 

Well, you should compare the Pascal laptop GPUs to the 980 non m. The one that's indredibly large and eats 200W. A Pascal 1070 from MSI is nearly the size of a standart mxm 3.0b card and offers considerably more performance, and it's about 120W of power. Even the Clevo cards are still far more efficient at 150W but offer even greater performance. The 980m is only 100W yes, but the 1070 is just slightly above it and offers almost twice the performance
I made the comparison to the 980 non m because the Pascal GPUs were supposed to be very very close to their desktop counterparts, which was basically was the 980 non m did.

 

Heard that in November there would be new 1070s (1080s as well?) MXM cards...

So I see that there are new GTX 1070 mxm kits, like this one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Clevo-P570...933858?hash=item1a37d63122:g:8GAAAOSw~l1Z5mhX

Are there any of these but for the P870DM-G ??? And with SLI connector???

 

We have 2 cards available one is Gsync and another one is non Gsync. Both do not have SLI connectors. We have also GTX 1060 available. Check our Clevo Upgrade configurator for details. Each GPU upgrade kit comes standard with GPU with proper VBIOS + X-bracket + screws + thermal pads + ICD 7 + customized drivers.

 

Is there an Nvidia licensing issue or Nvidia stipulation limiting providing SLI connectors on Pascal MXM cards? SLI connectors seem to have all of a sudden disappeared on the Pascal MXM cards available as upgrades, as compared to last generation Maxwell cards. I haven't seen a 1070 / 1080 with SLI connection available except as pulls from SLI machines.

 

There is very limited real estate space for SLI connector on our standard MXM3 82x105mm cards so we decided to drop SLI support and rather focus on O/C to get higher performance.

 

Then if SLI is dropped, only a 1080 is an option for me.. and many other people. So... Is there going to be a 3.0 mxm gtx 1080 available for old clevo laptops? Mainly the P870DM?

 

MSI GTX1080

 

We are working of smaller size 1080 MXM3 cards that should fit into P87xDM model.

 

Same size as your GTX 1070 or longer?

 

Does this include the prior mentioned 1070? You stated earlier that we'd be able to get 1070 SLI for our P870DM's.

 

Nope, there is no SLI connector on both 1060 and 1070 cards.

 

It seems people have forgotten why you can't do SLI with the MSI 1070.

But to refresh your memory: I was looking into the possibility of doing so with the P870DM-G and it's practically not possible. Why? Because the MXM slots are too close together and the tab of the slave GPU overlaps the master GPU.

Unless you feel like shaving off a bit of that tab on the slave GPU I don't think I'll bother because you could damage some of paths that are below the surface of the PCB.

EDIT: Don't even get me started on G-Sync (or should i say the lack thereof) either considering I have done the upgrade, modded my 980DT heatsink, and I haven't had any issues since.

 

I feel practically taunted by the fact that those cards have an inlet about the size of the jutting tab...

 

the reality is forget SLI.

 

Question: Do the MSI and Clevo cards actually have different specs for performance? I'm aware that's a silly question, but I need to ask anyway.

 

Yes, the MSI has a lower TDP of 115W to Clevo's 151-170W. See my sig if you don't believe me.

 

As ghosts said, they are 115w TDP, but are designed to handle far more. Assuming you don't get a buggy (unstable at >1.013v) 1.0 revision card, the downgrade in TDP seems to be to fit in MSI's 230W AC power profile, because the cards are designed for 151-170W, and can be TDP modded and run without any risk. Mine's at 195W TDP, but when the TDP is unlocked, you need to take manual control of the core clock so the card doesn't boost so high, it hits TDP limit, voltage drops, and it hits an unstable clock from the TDP throttle and crashes.

Example:
195W TDP, +200 core +700 RAM, voltage locked at 1.031v point, stable, faster FPS in witcher 3 than below, only hits pwr limit very occasionally, never voltage reliability.
+150 core +700 RAM, voltage/clocks not locked, FPS is *lower*, hits VREL and PWR limits often, randomly crashes in W3 despite lower fps.
So its important to take control of the clocks and voltage point and lock the clocks there so the core doesn't boost to where its unstable for the voltage.

 

Wow...so even if we do get a singular 1080 upgrade, it's still nerfed compared to what the stock newest Clevos would be getting. That's...honestly even more disappointing than lack of SLI.

 

No-one's been able to try yet anyway... of the various 3rd party options like Aetina or Zotac none are available, and the MSI ones are weird layouts that noone's modded into anything, and Eurocom's exhibited nothing but talk of a standard form (mxm 3.0b) 1080

1070 with SLI port exists in the *almost* MXM 3.0b size MSI (see my sig) but they are the 1.013V capped rev1.0 ones that Falkentyne mentioned above (its no practical detriment though; thermal and power limits constrain maximal performance well before voltage)