Forget Huron River, 22nm Ivy Bridge on the Way

Intel's Sandy Bridge Architecture Exposed - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

 

any dx10 capable hw can't be fixed function.

 

That's what the article is talking about. Look up AMD's UVD, it does more on the fixed function pipeline before its offloaded for compute on the EU/shaders. Sandy Bridge does the same thing as UVD.

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PCWatch explains that Sandy Bridge brings the architecture on par with AMD/Nvidia.

 

Hmm, I must have been confused then. What other GPU improvements are in Ivy Bridge then? Sites like Ars Technica are claiming it will make low-mid end GPU's obsolete.

 

If you believe Anandtech, Ivy Bridge will have 25% more EUs, bringing the total to 16.

If you believe Semiaccurate, Ivy Bridge gets on-package memory which would significantly improve memory bandwidth.

There's probably other small changes that Intel will obviously keep close till launch.

 

With both of those things it could certainly compete with lower to mid range graphics cards, but GPU's do have a much faster turnover rate than CPU's. Not sure how much I trust SemiAccurate though, they tend to be hit or miss. Anandtech is pretty reputable.

 

china to manufacture intel chipsets for ivy bridge (sorta) -- you heard it hear first

According to salty, unnamed 'industry sources' Intel has decided not to produce the chipsets for its Ivy Bridge processors in-house and instead place orders with Taiwanese fab giant TSMC. Apparently this move will lower production costs and enable Intel to concentrate more on new nodes for CPUs.

The Panther Point chipsets are expected to enter production in the second part of 2011 as the Ivy Bridge processors, the first made on 22nm technology, are planned for an early 2012 launch. The upcoming chipsets could be made on TSMC's 40nm process since the 28nm one will probably be booked by companies like AMD and Nvidia for their next-gen GPUs.

Intel to outsource Panther Point chipsets to Taiwan? | Electronista -- had to dig to find this ref, my original source was just a sourceless reference in an australian (thus the word "salty"?) forum

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also:

CEO Paul Otellini said that the company's "Ivy Bridge" processor, a 22-nm chip, is on schedule and will be delivered in the second half of 2011. The chips are already in sample production, he said.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-a...s-for-22nm-Ivy-Bridge-15nm-Atom-Chips-585696/

 

The second link is old. Ivy Bridge is now rather expected to be released at CES 2012.

 

it is old, august of last year. but it is of note that they were at that time already in sampling. unless there is a mishap in the fabs, they should be in production by about august of 2011. -- and it is just antisipation that leads people to say ces 2012 .. it makes sense, but intel hasn't actually changed its tune about ivy bridge yet.

 

I think intel more or less officially stated it was scheduled for delivery in late 2011. Which means CES 2012 for consumers.

 

So are mainstream quad-core Ivy Bridge processors going to be more energy efficient than dual-core Sandy Bridge processors?

 

unless they really splurge on GPU eu's (like, more than 24), I bet

 

I'm sure nVidia will find a way to use those "saved" minutes or hours with their cards.

 

Has any info been released about what mobile chipset or socket will be needed for ivy bridge? I want to get a sandy bridge laptop with a HM65 chipset and hopefully be able to upgrade to ivy bridge if possible. From what I've read on the desktop side, a new socket will be needed.

 

I've heard the opposite, that the same socket will be used for desktops.

 

After doing some more searching, I may have been misinformed. So for the desktop, there are 2 sockets for sandy bridge - LGA 1155 and LGA 2011. Both support sandy bridge and ivy bridge but only LGA 2011 supports the new 8 core ivy chip?

Aaaand it would be safe to assume that current mobile sandy bridge laptops will support ivy bridge upgrades, but there's no confirmation on this yet?

 

This was the rumor a little while back, that the processors would be upgradeable. But this was also when it was being said Sandy Bridge would definitely support USB 3.

Since we knew so little about SB in the months leading up to its release, it's easy to think the same is likely for IB.

 

I am looking forward to Ivy Bridge.

I think it will be my next CPU.

It may be possible to have socket compatibility, but it's not in Intel's tradition to do so.

 

I'm looking foward to Ivy Bridge because it would be a great backup as a switchable graphics (dx 11 support and 2x the shaders that sandy bridge has).

 

I bet we will be able to hit 4 GHz on the high-end mobile Ivy Bridge CPU. That's what I am mostly looking forward to.

Yeah, switchable graphics are also really nice, but we have to see how they work this year. We still haven't seem them implemented on large scale.

 

Yes it is, with Intel you have always been able to upgrade a Tock to a tick:

Core Duo to 1st gen Core 2
Core 2 65nm to Core 2 45nm "Penryn"

These should be next:
32nm SB to 22nm IB
22nm Haswell to 16nm Rockwell

 

As far as I know, you couldn't. I know there was some compatibility between Yonah and Penryn but that only worked for a few CPUs.

The rest you couldn't because of the different FSB that the CPUs were design to work.

As far as I know, you can't upgrade a T7700 CPU to a T9900 isn't that right ?

 

No, T7700 is 800 FSB and T9900 is 1066 FSB...also depends on which chipset. PM/GM965 won't accept 1066. Some PM/GM45 will take 800 FSB processors.

And to the top statement I hope you meant Merom and Penryn..

 

It is for die shrinks, such as Westmere and Ivy Bridge.

 

No, but you can upgrade it to to a T9500 (the most powerful Penryn CPU with an 800MHz FSB), although that doesn't work for all laptops. I know for a fact that it's possible to do this with Compal IFL90, but it requires a BIOS update first.

 

Technically the X9000 (2.8GHz, 800MHz FSB) is a little more powerful than the T9500. SLAQJ or SLAZ3... dunno which is the PGA though.

 

It'll also cause your notebook to be able to cook eggs from the heat coming out of it. =) T9500 is the most powerful non Core 2 Extreme CPU for 800 FSB.

 

FSB isn't part of the socket, though. The socket stayed the same (well, except for some early C2D that was Socket M instead of Socket P). And I think some chipsets could take a T7700 and a T9900... although it's more like they were designed for the T9900 and could coincidentally take a T7700.

 

That's what I am trying to say. It's more like backwards compatibility rather than forward compatibility.

Earlier I did mean Yonah and Penryn. I know this because I've tested it. I had a T2400 and upgraded to a T7600.

 

I was being a bit nitpicky. I was pointing out that there _was_ socket compatibility, but upgrades weren't possible because of other reasons... in this case chipset/FSB. I'm not sure I can agree with incompatibility being in Intel's tradition, but I don't know that we really have enough examples for a baseline one way or the other.

 

Hows this for a bombshell?

Intel/NVIDIA bombshell: look for NVIDIA GPU on Intel processor die

The author does get a bit carried away, there won't be an on-chip Nvidia GPU, but the news is correct. Intel can use some of Nvidia's patents for the Ivy Bridge GPU, Nvidia can use some of Intel's for their own ground-up ARM processor (project denver).

 

Not really a bombshell. Intel worked out basically the same patent deal with AMD after their settlement...except AMD got to keep their all important x86 license. I wouldn't expect anything huge (e.g. an Intel-made Nvidia-based IGP) to come out of any of it.

Had Nvidia gotten the x86 then that would have been a bombshell. Don't believe JHH when he says he didn't want it, or the chipset business. That's why he filed suit in the first place...the $1.5billion was just the consolation prize.

 

I doubt we'll see fruit from this deal until Haswell or Rockwell. All the more reason for me upgrade to SB this year...

 

I've seen a bunch of you saying that you can upgrade first-gen C2D to second-gen Penryn. Well, you're wrong... sort of.

Merom started off as Socket M and later changed to Socket P. Penryn was only available in Socket P. So if you had a Socket M machine like my old Compal HEL80, you couldn't go to Penryn at all. If you had a newer Merom Socket P machine then you could generally go to Penryn if your manufacturer supported it in their BIOS (or if your BIOS were a type that we could mod to add the support).

Ivy Bridge doesn't seem like an improvement to me. Haswell please.

 

As I said, it doesn't work for all laptops. I don't think anybody said that it is always possible to upgrade Merom to Penryn, just that you can do it on some machines.

We know very little of Ivy Bridge and even less of Haswell. Wait a bit before drawing conclusions.

 

Ivy Bridge = most likely 35W quad-cores & 45W hexa-cores for high-end (or higher clocked quad-cores), along with a better integrated GPU. Nothing major (aside from Lightpeak support?), more incremental, but still welcome.

 

Some people simply said it could be done, and some only mentioned the FSB limitation. Nobody said it could ALWAYS be done but the socket info was still left out. It is important. More of a problem than the FSB thing.

 

*cough* I mentioned the sockets here.

 

16 graphics EUs in Ivy bridge

 

That's disappointing. 24 EUs would have made it a lot more competitive against low-end solutions.

 

Don't really mind tbh.
It would be a nice on top of very refine SB.

 

Ivy Bridge USB 3.0 will support 7/8, no Vista or XP.

 

Any computers that come with USB 3.0 are also going to come with Windows 7 (obviously excluding linux notebooks/ macbooks) so I don't see that being an issue for anyone. Installing 64bit XP on a notebook two years from now would be pretty silly.

 

installing win xp 64 is always a silly move

 

I haven't through this whole thread yet, but could this mean devices like the 11.6in Timeline X or Vaio Y with a quad core cpu(higher end models) and reasonable battery life, or is this for higher end devices like the Hp 25x0 series or Vaio TT?

 

Ivy Bridge brings quad to he mainstream, which is currently mostly populated by 35W parts, upper 25W parts and a single ULV (17W) part (even that's unlikely). I suspect that the ULVs will be treated to clock speed increases, giving us much higher turbo speeds.

Now this doesn't mean that we'll be automatically be able to transcode videos as fast as current quads, clock speeds, bus speeds and cache will be a limiting factor. I don't even expect to see real-world differences until we hit the next shrink in Rockwell.

 

DDR-1600 Support

Hopefully it applies to notebooks too...

Also, Intel’s Next-Gen Ivy Bridge to Offer 20% - 30% Performance Boost Over Sandy Bridge

 

The graphics in IB will only be 30% faster? Horrible move. Intel's back to square one in that case, and Intel graphics are yet again total crap.

 

Well 30% faster than SB, which is 2 x faster than current Intel HD graphics...

 

Forecast : Ivy Bridge will bring a great bump for notebooks (similar to Nehalem/Westmere -> Sandy Bridge but disappoint in desktops. 20% leap in performance is both not very impressive (when intel says 20% it should be really 10-15% usually) and doesn't mean much. What kind of apps, etc ? Also, since Sandy Bridge brings quad-cores with high clocks it doesn't leave much room ; are they going to add cores and bring hexa-cores to mainstream ? But then what are the benefits of 6 cores CPUs for the average users ?