Forget Huron River, 22nm Ivy Bridge on the Way

Sandy bridge has 1600MHz support on all desktop chipsets (iirc), and definately on mobile quads i7-2720 and up

 

Haswell better bring some serious graphics improvements. But, then again, 30% improvements could make Battlefield 3 playable...akk the waiting game is so addicting!

 

I know that. It's not enough, though. HD Graphics 3000 barely keeps up with last-gen's low-end cards, and therefore behind the Geforce 410M (I think) and the Radeon HD 6400M series. While the gap won't be quite as large, the low-end GeForce 600M and Radeon HD 7000M cards it will be competing against will still be far enough ahead to justify buying them. They'll never catch up to the mobile mid-range if they aren't more aggressive than this.

 

Except that not buying a GPU is still cheaper.

 

Well I guess one advantage would be the smaller chip size to 22nm itself. So, we may see quad cores showing up in more 14in(specially the more compact models), and even 13in device.

 

Yep there's still plenty of room for improvement on the mobile range, I expect they'll use 22nm to release 35W quad-cores in the mainstream segment and maybe 45W that'll have higher frequencies.

 

It appears Ivy Bridge will be teamed up with panther point, Intel 7th generation chipset , panther point will support windows 7 and 8 with usb 3.0 not vista or xp though:

Ivy Bridge 22nm has DDR3 1600 support

Intel To Natively Support USB 3.0 With Panther Point Chipset

Cheers:
3Fees

 

I love Ivy Bridge.

 

What about IVY Bridge support for DDR4 Memory Any news? I realize DDR4 isn't even out yet but from what I understand it will be available at some point in 2012 I think. I did recently read a article about Samsung making its first DDR4 memory module.

 

I dunno if its worth waiting for ivy bridge or not if I have ULV C2D machine. I don't really need a new notebook, but I do want to upgrade(and windows tablets are tempting to me). Plus, I doubt by the time Ivy bridge comes out manufactures some how decided to use better quality screens than what the average is now.

 

DDR4 might be ready for Haswell in 2013, but Ivy Bridge will likely use DDR3.

 

Intel’s Ivy Bridge 22nm Processors to arrive as early as 2H 2011

1 step closer to Haswell. Haswell might be shown off, but release is still CES 2012.

 

Damn it, the waiting game is going to kill me.

 

that cant be possible!!!

Now I will inevitably have to delay my purchase again! I was only going to buy at may or something, but if this is true I will have to wait more, and I dont know if the laptop would still be alive

 

So, if they show it off in the June when can we expect them to be out? I was going to wait until late july-august and see whats out then. SB is sounding like it could be DOA.

 

As noted, expected to be out sometime in (late?) 2012.

No point waiting...

 

I think ivy bridge releasing in june is bull. I think it will follow the same schedule. Production in 2H 2011 and release in Q1 2012. They will definitely want to give close to an year for Sandy Bridge to thrive. Plus it will take a while for 22nm to ramp up.

 

I don't trust the person who wrote the news. He also said Ivy Bridge would feature 24EU while according to the last elements of information it'll be 16.

 

Don't trust anyone who writes anything on SB for a little while... it's mostly speculation.

 

It's probably true, but you're misunderstanding it. They will have a prototype chip in June to show off at conferences -- they practically have to because getting this prototype is only half the battle. After they have it, they still have to verify compatibility with hundreds of different chipsets, provide the drivers and BIOS firmware to dozens of manufacturers, then actually produce millions of these things and bin them according to quality. And after Intel's work is done, the laptop manufacturers still have to match the new CPU with a chassis, contemporary GPUs, etc. etc.

Briefly: you can safely buy Sandy Bridge in the spring. Just because Ivy Bridge will be demoed in June doesn't mean it will be available any time before CES in January 2012 (the only way that happens is if Llano and/or Bulldozer are powerful beyond anyone's expectations and Intel is forced to push the 22nm parts to remain competitive).

 

Yes that follows the usual schedule of intel, production starts at H2 those are sent to OEM so they make things happen and so forth. Its that the article lead to believe that this was changed, and the real launch would start now. Maybe it was because I was sleepy but I was lead to that.

And probably thanks for the correction, I never like to get the tick always the tock.

 

SB is a tock, and IB is a tick. Die shrinks are always ticks and new archs are tocks.

 

yes and getting ivy would be such a bummer in my plans to own the tock wouldnt it?

 

Ivy Bridge could be showcased in May or June. Does this mean an early release !?

Maximum PC | Report: Intel to Showcase Ivy Bridge CPUs at Computex 2011
Intel May Show Ivy Bridge CPUs at Computex

 

No, Intel always showcases its CPUs in June, when they have their platform refresh. Production will start in September and shipments will begin in late November - early December so that the ODMs will have time to integrate the chipset and other components in their laptops. Mass availability will remain as always ... January 2012.

There is chance that the high-end CPUs will come out earlier, that is December 2011. But that's about it.

 

Not true, in the past cpu launches were in the summer.

 

Of course in the past things where different, I bet in the 80s Intel didn't release a new generation of CPUs every January.

For the past 4 years Intel releases a new generation of CPUs in January of every year with a mid year refresh in June-July and I am more than certain that they will continue with this pattern in the future.

Besides, the 22nm process for Ivy Bridge is far from mass production:
Intel invests $2.7 billion to update israeli fab for 22nm chips- The Inquirer

There is a chance that they will be able to make some CPUs on 22nm earlier, as in H2 of 2011, like the 6 and 8 core desktop CPUs, but for the high volume production needed for the mainstream CPUs they are not ready yet.

 

As someone who wants to see AMD compete better with Intel in notebooks, Intel looks to be in a great position for the foreseeable future.

 

Ya, I wish AMD would bring their A+, 4.0 GPA game. They are ALWAYS 1 step behind Intel! That only adds more credibility to Intel being the Processor Leader/Innovator.

If AMD can release a processor that Intel is years away from making, then I can see AMD as finally being an on Par Competitor with Intel.

Let the micro-wars begin!

 

Interesting, what im wondering is in desktops, with SB 1155 out, kinda still straighting out, and having the 2011 socket coming (around july), wonder what would the december2011/january ivory bridge will replace, or will Intel still have two sockets parallel to each other, at least on desktops. I was planning on upgrading mid year but might wait the next release if its coming that early.

 

Well, their Fusion line does look promising. Look at Brazos, with only a 9W envelope it beats Atom in every benchmark out there. Imagine what they can do with 65 and 95W envelopes. Intel won't leave them a stagnant target of course, but AMD isn't a write off yet, far from it.

 

Ivy Bridge uses the same sockets. The first ones will be mainstream CPUs for LGA1155.

 

Very little. It is very rare for a CPU architecture to be capable of scaling well across more than one order of TDP magnitude. This is why Intel made Atom and why AMD has split its processors into Brazos and Bulldozer (well, and Llano, but that's just a die shrink of no-L3 cache K10.5 with an on-die GPU).

 

Chief River is Ivy Bridge notebook platform

 

Chief River notebook boards support SNB and IVB

So as said in the comment on Fud, it means no issues with dealing with excess stock of Sandy Bridge processors.

 

And inflated prices on Ivy Bridge... Dual-edged sword here.

 

Latest Intel roadmap confirms PCI Express 3.0 for Ivy Bridge

 

Thanx for the info. Sandy Bridge was supposed to have PCIe 3.0 but never got it.

This might also mean a new MXM port.

 

I just took a tour through this thread. This kind of techy speculations and insights sure are interesting

But I don't think its very smart to wait for the other generetion just for the sake of being better. It should be a matter of your need, if you feel like it's time to replace your beloved pc.

As its seems to me, one of the greatest advantages of Ivy Bridge would be its IGP... that's nice for the whole scenario, but its not a big deal for me, since I would rather go for dedicated graphics.
Maybe some years ahead I'll like to have a more efficient portable solution, so then it will suit me, but for now all I want is a powerful tool for work and leisure.

I'm going for a Sandy Bridge. I'll be advancing from a dual core to a quad and that seems like pretty good to me


Anyway, as some friends have said pages back, sooner or later we'll reach the quantum limit and I believe that is really hard to foresee how things will turn then. I know, possibly it's not the case with Ivy yet, but I really think that most of those chip companies promises relies both on their real technological advances as on marketing and speculation.

I rather get a nice machine now than waiting for 2012, when the world is likely be over

 

Ivy Bridge is another great step for laptops. 35W quad-cores sounds appealing. Unfortunately I can't wait until next year but I'd like to buy a Snb laptop with easily upgradeable CPU.

 

Well on desktops Sandy Bridge Socket 1155 will be compatible with Ivy Bridge cpus, but idk if Sandy Bridge laptops will be able to take Ivy Bridge mobile cpus.

 

Just the most expensive ones will allow the upgrade to Ivy (the ones with HM65 chipset).


EDIT: Take this with a grain of salt. I have the impression that I read so, but can't find any reference right now.

 

what are the sources?

and the HM65? most expensive chipset? I would bet on the ZM68, not on the HM65 which is reminiscent of the HM55, so much old tech got there, and that was one of the problems that it got.

 

Sorry, I would not have any reference now...

But I've read that (most probably during my researches on the Sager notebooks) and I've read that some of them (using that chipset, or maybe other if my memory is mistaken) would be able to upgrade. Others (cheaper ones, with other chipset) would not be able.

I don't know of any other chipset for mobile Sandy Bridge beside those two.

 

actually nobody knows if SB and ivy bridge will use the same socket, it was from hoping to certain, and now there are specific chipsets too.

 

Ivy will use the same socket as Sandy Bridge but is not compatible with Cougar Point chipset, so you will probably need a new motherboard anyways.

Ivy Bridge 22nm sticks with socket 1155
22nm Ivy Bridge CPUs Compatible with Sandy Bridge Chipset - Softpedia
Ivy Bridge 22nm works with H67 and P67

 

Cougar point are H and P chipsets

 

Yes a bit confusing those two articles from Fudzilla. The last one is the last published and serves as a clarification i think. They say it is pin and software compatible, but doesn`t mention hardware compatible.

 

I sincerely dont buy it, fudzilla has a lasting reputation of fud, so I take that with a sea of salt.

not to mention that they dont even know that the QM series are performance chipsets or the Q series for that matter.

 

Intel to support USB 3.0 alongside Thunderbolt, coming with Ivy Bridge in 2012 -- Engadget

I guess they changed their mind?