Forget Intel Haswell, Broadwell on the Way

well at 22nm it still isn't an issue yet so let me know when we get to 10/7/5nm because i dont see an issue at 14nm either..wont be a huge difference

 

May not be an issue for you now; but isn't this exactly what some are complaining about with Haswell chips? For almost a year now?

 

IB and haswell have almost no difference so i dont know how people can be having major problems

 

IB doesn't have FIVR which seems to be the main source of Haswell's increased heat over IB. Still using cheap thermal paste between the IHS and die on desktop Haswell surely doesn't help either.

 

Again talking mobile here and any person with a desktop that overclock s delids I never delidded my 3770 because it is none k and runs super cool with a 30 dollar heatsink and no case fans in a room that is 80-100 degrees. The IVR is only 2 watts so MEH still no issue in my eyes.

 

Intel disagrees with you.
Intel admits Ivy Bridge chips run hotter- The Inquirer

The use of thermal paste instead of solder excaberates the condition. Why would they do this knowing the chip is going to run hotter anyway? I don't know but perhaps the smaller die is more fragile to the heat of the IHS soldering process.

Performance laptops (non-extreme) have been designed around a TDP of 45W-47W over the last few years. A die shrink will increase temperatures at the same power so what to do.Run the cores at a lower power to keep in thermal spec. This can mean if the performance laptop is still designed around a TDP of 45W then that leaves room to add more components on the CPU such as more cores or/and push the SoC design. Given this it shouldn't be a surprise as to why there has been a steady migration of integration of external components such the NorthBridge and an increase in integrated graphics.

For late comers to the thread this is in answer to

 

Still there is no rational cause of smaller Nm causing an issue yet if designed with half a brain. Is it marginally worse than 65 Nm.....sure but again no real issue. When we hit 10 Nm or less I bet that is when issues arise. Crap 30 dollar heatstinks still work and every single laptop still runs fine assuming they werent built by an idiot...aka g51j and Samsung's cheap netbooks with 10 mil aluminium heatsink..that was on a SB gpu and it sucked

 

Intel Brushes Aside Rumor of 14nm 'Broadwell' Delay

 

Lets hope broaswell gets delayed....
so I dont't get buyers regret in the summer.

 

is that a tribble?

I might just for go everything :/ Wait til 2015 for New GPU/4k screen/CPU :/ Depending on money i might just buy the GPU and throw it in old desktop but depends on performance and price...i just have a feeling 14nm and 20nm are going to be around even longer than 22nm and 28nm which means early adapters will be better off than normal :/

Really need the faster single thread for my old games and 4k for the old games :/ Bah!!! might just get my AK instead and practice over the summer instead of gaming :/

 

Ok so I had no idea what a tribble was, so using my pattented search pattern I have found some possible definitions:
1. Some nerd thing from star trek.
2. A layer of fat surrounding a womens waist that is pushed upwards when wearing from fitting jeans.
3. A particularily deviant act involving three females and one male.
What old games do you wanna play? I would think that modern intel cpus would do well.

 

Generally Star wars empire at war is fine with modern CPUs.
Rome total war eats crap at 3.8GHz IB at 10-30 FPS (large battles with max units 15-30k)
RCT3 gets 10-60FPS with 3.8GHz IB
i think there is another game too and i am sure there are other i haven't tried yet
oh also King arthur the role playing game and the Total war equivalent from that dev eats crap. Kings crusades or crusader kings or something like that.
Haven't been able to play battle for middle earth on IB yet but i remember in the past it eat crap but that was on prescott so that might not be an issue anymore.

I also have no idea if running at 4k will require more CPU compared to 1080p/1200p so if it does it will suck even more :/

BTW if your avatar looks like that does woulf it be a act or a fat women reference? It is the star trek thing...i see you are no geek/nerd :/

 

Intel mobile CPU roadmap for 2014

14nm Broadwell postponed to the fourth quarter, Intel will disrupt the original planning and layout of the plant

 

and my blood boils

 

And this is all I needed to know...

In the next few weeks, I'll be rebuilding all my systems with Win8.1, already maxed RAM, new (512GB or larger) SSD's and updated software.

Good to know that this work will be amortized over the next year at least.

 

win8.1 -_- is this true? I installed win7 over the win8 that came with my desktop



always wanted to know if that is true because that would be ridiculous

 

HopelesslyFaithful,

I have been testing Win8.1 for a long time now - with the roadmap released with Broadwell being a year away; it is time to upgrade all my systems to this new performance standard.

Tiles? Who cares about them.

I just need to get to my programs, turn off the computer and adjust a few settings (once).

After that - the performance improvements with lots of RAM, multiple SSD's (thanks to mSATA) and all the other under the hood improvements of Win8.1 make my existing hardware modern again.

Windows 7 seems like so much cartoon flash and 'kapow!' with no substance.

Sure, Win8.1 is not the final O/S that I can settle on for good - but I'm beyond that kind of thinking now; the performance as always is what drives my purchase decisions - and even if a few employees complained (loudly) they eventually come around (they already have).

You don't need to live in the tiles (I've looked at them only a couple of times since Win8 Beta...) - but you do need to live in the current state of the art if productivity is your goal (as it is mine).

Here is an obscure reference to the under hood improvements that Win8 has quietly introduced to the world:

See:
Windows 8.1 SMB3 multichannel 1350MB/s - SmallNetBuilder Forums



If we can ignore how pretty/ugly Win8 and Win8.1 (and soon Win8.1.1) looks at first blush, we will discover that the beauty is really more than skin deep.


(If you too consider performance as something 'beautiful').

 

so does the start button do what that image says it does? i use the start button all the time and i already get annoyed with the stupid crap windows did in win7 from XP...like no double click on network to open status menu, control panel all buggered and many other things. I have been one that was on bored of going back to XP at a certain point because win7 is annoying and inconvenient as is....let along win8

this also really annoys me



also where is my detailed search? and countless other explorer features? All removed and nurfed for no reason

Wasting 10 mins a day with removed features and having to figure out how to do something because something was removed for no reason causes more time wastes than a marginal performance boost. I personally dont get 10-30min boost a day in time savings with what i do...a usable interface for me is more important.

 

Don't have time to give a Win8/Win8.1 tutorial - use google search for that.

Take 10 minutes to learn what you need to do and forget the rest - including the notion that the 'start button' needs to do a specific task.

Being able to adapt to new workflows effectively makes you more efficient when all is said and done.

Simply complaining (and downgrading to a circa 2008 tech O/S like Win7) is not helping you move forward.

 

your joking right? why would i upgrade to an OS that would cost me 10-100s of hours of time and maybe gain me a few hours with better performance? Where is the MOV in that? all i see is red red red

I stated that i would see almost or possible zero performance benefit going to win8 and going to win7 was more so based off of marginal performance boost. The UI in win7 is 3 steps forword and 2 steps backwards. It is only a little better than xp with a bunch of draw backs.

 

No, I'm not joking. Learning new things is the way forward. 100's of hours of your time cost? I have more faith in you than you do, it seems.

With XP (with which I was intimately knowledgeable of; because I had to be) I would spend my time equally between work and O/S fixes (at least in the first few years/pre SP1/SP2 era).

With Vista and then Windows 7, I quickly embraced both (for true x64 support and real RAM capacities) and although I didn't have to re-install those O/S's monthly - it still was a requirement at least a few times a year.

With Win8 and even with the few months of using Win8.1 - I am simply doing work with my computers instead of trying to keep the O/S from sinking under me. That includes all my clients which have switched to Win8 too. They still like to make a big deal of how something is not working in Win8 - then I show them (thanks google) in 5 minutes or less and they have to think long and hard on how to get me with these (O/S) type of issues again.


All I asked you was to take some time to actually learn what you want to do; you choose to continue complaining.

Guess what? Nobody is listening.

Maybe sometime in circa ~2029 when Win7 support gets cut off like it is now (finally) for Windows XP, you'll be more motivated to do so.


I'm not suggesting Windows 7 doesn't work for you. What I'm suggesting is that you may work better with Windows 8.1.

And even better yet with each new O/S that comes out in the future.

 

waiting for 9....or whatever. I think 8 is like vista.

 

You may be right (time will tell), but at the time of it's release; Vista was a godsend too.

 

i beg to differ....maybe for you but not for others. Again i have no need for that multi stream 1350MBps thing. I need an intuitive interface that has shortcuts and doesn't require 6 extra clicks and dragging across the screen 8 times to do what i used to do in 2 clicks with no movement

 

You can differ; everyone can make their own mistakes.

But when real 64bit O/S support becomes fully functional with Vista (XP x64 was and is a joke; crashing if you looked at it sideways) - it wasn't just me that benefitted. Anyone with a workflow that screamed for more than 4GB RAM did.

Your needs are obviously below mine. I can appreciate and respect that.

But while you're stuck on the old ways of doing things, you can at least respect that some of us can embrace the new ways and be even more efficient than we were before.

No excuses needed.

 

i can but you were the one that was on the high horse to begin with Talking about progress and i clearly stated UI is more important for mytype of work.

 

I'm on the high horse? Lol... (maybe; for things that are functional).

Okay, I'll bite; what type of work is the UI more important in than the work itself?

 

This is way off topic for a hardware thread, guys.

 

How is it off topic? My stance is that the new O/S better leverages the hardware we already have (and are soon to get).

I started off by stating that with Broadwell so far off (at least a year), I will be upgrading/standardizing all my current and any new platforms to the best available O/S: Win8.1 x64 Pro.

HopelesslyFaithful has indicated that he thinks that the UI of the O/S is more important instead, rather than any performance improvements a newer O/S brings.

I think this is on topic for this thread - still waiting for HopelesslyFaithful's response to his stance.


For the longest time, Mac users had a great (performance-wise) O/S and poor hardware vs. the rest of the industry. Now that they're using Intel platforms like the rest of us, the last few versions of OS/x have been dragging them down vs. what they previously had.

They (arguably) have the best UI of all OS's currently available - but at this time, performance is not up to par with a Windows 8.1 platform and neither is anyone running Windows 7. UI does not equal performance ime.

But I'm willing to learn from what HopelesslyFaithful may offer.

 

research and file management....if i mostly use the web browser, store and manage files (as in organize and navigate them...not file system user level), open and switch between programs through short cuts that used to be there, and various other little things that rely on a usable GUI more than pure power. I gain very little by having a faster computer/OS (minus single thread CPU performance, which Win7 and Win8 make no difference in that...pure hardware issue). There are many GUI changes i would make that would restore many features lost from XP and add some more that have never existed.

I actually do a lot within windows GUI that made me wait til win7 game and it is a 3 steps forward and 2 steps backwards...well more so 3 steps and 2.5 steps but nun the less a lot of thrown out that was in XP for GUI usability. Win8 is even worse. Windows GUI gets even worse when you have multiple screens. I click on desktop icons hundreds of times a day and since i have two or more screens i loose a lot of time trying to find my icons in the never ending merry go round. I will organize my icons in a manner i can click on them almost without thinkings but give it 2 days and they will have moved all over the place....if i dont refix my icons on a weekly basis it gets really nuts. Windows is quirky as hell when it comes to going from 1080p to 1200p and back....even if your icons are not even low enough to make a difference...i left my icons alone for a month once and i should have taken a picture every 2 days because it was nuts. They were all on the left side but by the end of the month they were scattered around my whole desktop -_- Absolutely retard and a waste of my time. when i can click on an icon in 2s with it organized and now it takes me 10s that ads up when you click on icons 100s or more times a day. Just assume i click on an icon 150 times a say the added 8s for each click turns out to be 20 mins lost a day times that by 30 that is 600 mins or 10 hours a month wasted...granted it is more likely 1-2s if organized to 3-5s so still a good 5 mins a day ~150mins 2.5 hours a month. It erks me how stupid it is.

Tons of crappy UI stuff like this exists that wastes hours of my time a month and that is where GUI being functional and useful comes into play especially if you do a lot of stuff within windows itself. This isn't even getting into the crap of doing a search in the search menu

or how i do a search for lecture in C drive and it just misses dropbox...i have to go to dropbox and search lecture for it to pop up. Though if i do search for lecture in dropbox and then go search for lecture in C drive it shows now more results #$&&#$&#$&#$& It also says it is searching and may take a while to find none index files so it is doing a full search....or it should be. This isn't even getting into why did they even remove the detailed search anyways? Why not have both? If i want to include 30 variables for me to find the one file i can't remember the name to in my 10 mil + files on my computer. Why not allow me to do that? Why remove a feature that already existed? Why not have both? I have wasted hours trying to find files out of the millions on my computer because i can't easily apply 30+ variables. Try adding those variables when online they don't even tell you most of the codes needed to add them -_-

I can go all day with how they removed valuable features for no reason or half butted them.

I remember 2000 to XP drove me nuts because how they butchered the interface in some way but i can't remember the exacts....i was like 12-14 back than i think. I only remember some of the XP stuff that was lost. If i actually played with XP again for a few weeks i am sure i would find some of the good UI designs they butchered.

Again anyone who actually uses the Windows GUI indepth will agree with this....plenty of people stuck to XP forever because of the GUI and plenty of people are sticking to win7 over win8 because of the GUI. XP to Win7 had its issues...plenty of them and was on the boarder of being better or worse for many people like myself but Win7 to Win8 is a nightmare and i refuse to touch it.

Again why invest 10s-100s of hours learning a new GUI that won't actually be any better...maybe be a little worse. Most of Win7 issues can be solved by finding other software to apply overlays but Win8.....please

But on broadwell....i am excited to see the single thread performance and i wonder when 20nm GPUs will come out Q3 Q4? Q1 2015 -_- If broadwell doesn't offer vast single thread performance improvements i am going to be pissed and probably stick to my current stuff til cannonlake because there wont be enough MOV (see i pay(sp?) attention in class) to upgrading.

Again all the stuff i stated above have nothing to gain from a faster OS. It is all usability. If i used remote desktop and multisystem stuff like you than i would definitely jump on win8 but i actually use the OS to manage information (mostly personal) and no better hardware would affect that...besides faster SSDs but that would still be negligible.

EDIT: update found my why win7 sucks file....try pinning a folder to task bar....tell me what happens and tell me why the $@#^@#$^&#$&@#%&*%*$@* it does that! I use 2-5 folders on and off very often and loved to pin them to the task bar in XP and 2000 but now in win7 it doesn't work.

Also folder settings have been nerfed too :/

Oh also forced restart RAGE!!!!!! Why do i have to waste my time to undo that? I lost so much work when i first switched because i didn't know it did that -_- Always was rebooted in the morning and i was like ?_? It is the same thing with manufactures...now i need to waste 3-5 hours reflashing my BIOS to an unlocked version....seriously? I bought a gaming laptop for thee reason to not be bothered with that.

 

Thanks for that. I now have another data point to consider.

I still think you can make Win8.1 work though - it seems like you're just resistant to change (for a while now).


In Win8.1:

If you stay on the desktop, nothing changes from what you're currently doing.

If you add your folders which are located outside of the Users folder to the Index, you will find all your files (proper file naming is essential and something I've learned early on).

If you add an SSD: you will be faster than without an SSD (and Win8 leverages the SSD's benefits more than Win7 does).


Not telling you to do this. But if you did - it won't be as bad as you think.

As for the lack of a custom search function; you're right. I miss that too. But I'm sure there's something even better than what XP had.

See:
Explorer++ - A small and fast file manager for Windows


Is just one example.


As for the multiple monitors - Windows 8.1 has improved that too over Windows 7 ime. The 8.1 Update 1 will also bring improvements to this area I'm sure.

I'm not sure when you last tried a properly setup Win8.1 system (especially one with an SSD installed), but from my perspective the improvements that are available even for your workflow as described, with current hardware and adequate RAM (8GB or more recommended), more than offsets the few problem areas a couple of utilities can possibly fix (for free).

Especially when you state that you perform the same functions over and over each day: max out your RAM - leave the programs running - and get yourself an SSD at least for your O/S, Programs and Index location. Oh, and if you can; rename your files and folders with descriptive and unique names.

And I think your biggest obstacle in seeing any new O/S as possibly more productive?

My one question to you: why can Win7's issue be minimized while Win8's can't?

If I can make Win8 work (and trust me; I'm stuck in my ways too), I think you can too.

 

See the issues Win7 has Win8 i bet also has.....but what other issues does win 8 also have on top of those already in Win7? That to me is enough to not bother with the 10-100 hours to figure out it was a bad move. I already have an SSD and 22GB of ram though since i dont have pro i am at 16GB and i can't notice a difference from 8-16 even though i have used 8-16GB of ram. The SSD is a god send and i am glad i upgraded when i did. Could have done it earlier but having less than 500GB of space would not have been worth the hassle. As i said i dont see how Win8 would really benefit me more than win7....counting the 10-100 hours to re learn it plus god knows what stupid crap doesn't exist. I also hibernate a lot now and i would really hate having to go between tile and back to desktop every time i turn it back on -_- In i hear good things about 8.1 maybe but i still bet for me win 9 or whatever that OS is would be best. The lack of start button really bugs me...i know. I am one of the few who use it a crap ton. Also i should look into indexing the C drive folders. I haven't tried that. Well i tried once and it said something about indexing the complete drive was a bad idea :/

I can give win8 a try but not until later...just not worth it. Just the current issues with it are enough to keep me away minis all the new issues i'll find while learning it. What user interfaces changes do you think would help me? I am curious.
If you can't give me a list of new GUI features that save time off the bat than i know there isn't really any benefit for me. I am glad it is a godsend for me but for me it is a sad sad disappointment. I was really looking forward to it :/

BTW what is proper file naming? Looking for credit card guide.txt and nothing pops up is annoying. I can use one word or exact name and it will pull up nothing from mycomputer or startmenu search BTW startmenu search is an awesome feature. That is one of the few features that would keep me from ever going back to XP. Saves me tons and tons of time

 

Seems you're good with the RAM and the SSD - and I can agree that you don't break a working system (no matter how tempting the benefits may be).

What I suggest to all my clients (and strictly adhere to myself) is to get a new system with the new O/S and move your workflow over to it as gently/smoothly as possible. If ANY glitches show up; you have your original system to spit the work out until you have the time to attend to the issues the new platform/OS throws at us.

I guess I'm also spoiled in a way with so many systems I can simply choose to be a test mule for any bright ideas I get.


Proper file naming is descriptive file naming with no spaces. Your example I would have named as:

Guide-CC-2013-12-31.txt for example - assuming you have multiple versions of such Credit Card files and many different Guides.


In Win8.1, hit the Windows key on your keyboard (much faster for me; touch typist) and start your search (just like Win7).

Adding all the locations to the Indexer that you want included in a search is mandatory with Win8.1 - it will simply ignore anything else than the Users directory (as you have found out).


Win8.1 features that I now take for granted:

Boot to desktop.

Show Desktop behind Start Menu (less jarring, visually).

Learned the unique names of the programs I want to run (again: touch typist with hands always on the home keys: much faster than any mouse I can control - and I'm pretty fast with a mouse too). Hit the Windows key; type the first 3 or 3 letters of the program I want and hit enter. FAST.

Can still pin programs to the taskbar and put shortcuts on the desktop, of course (this may have been a deal breaker for me - unless they showed me how to do this better).

Login to a Win8.1 platform with my user id and have my SkyDrive (OneDrive now?), EI shortcuts and other personalization's carried over from my main machine to any other one I happen to be near.

Have the choice of having the taskbar show on both or one monitor (depending on the workflow atm).

Fastest sustained SSD speeds for my workflows - even when just doing Windows Updates.

Less reboots required when installing/uninstalling software.

More uptime between reboots even with systems that are punished for 20+ hours each day.

Haven't seen a BSOD yet that I haven't directly caused.


The best thing I can say about Windows 8 and 8.1: the systems just work and work and work.

Nothing I've used has been this stable ever. Not even Mac's.

 

lol....never dawned on me to use that as a short cut -_- I am a heavy mouse user :/ Everytime i have to take my hand off the mouse i consider it wasted time and a pain. I r very very lazy.

The naming thing is useless because i would never remember the name to begin with. IIRC if i use one big combo Bah_blah_Oggle If i search for oogle blah it wont find it but if i type it as bah blah oogle and search for oogle blah it will find it. Windows search is no google search that is for sure :/

Boot to desktop is win7 standard :/ or am i missing something?

Show Desktop behind Start Menu (less jarring, visually).

huh?....err nevermind i get that. I wouldn't want that for privacy reasons.

the rest you said i have no issue with or doesn't benefit me personally except maybe the uninstalling and reinstalling. I never have windows crash on me unless it is a crap program or i am messing around as far as i can recall. If i can't recall windows crashing it must not be an issue to me....i think it would bug me. Maybe the SSD makes me not really notice :/

I am a mousist compared to you. Most stuff i do uses the mouse for navigation...lots of clicking and dragging. I also suck at typing. I use some funky hybrid typing that i self taught/came to be.

I was personally thinking of trying 8 or next windows on my next desktop to see how it works out and dual boot them just in case. Really all depends. Since broadwell will be forever...it appears it might work out that way

 

Sorry, but this just doesn't make sense to me.

Smaller things have a greater ratio of surface area:mass than larger things. They therefore dissipate heat more effectively than large things. So smaller components don't really "produce" more heat, they're just better at radiating the heat away.

 

HopelesslyFaithful,

Thanks for the conversation! It was enlightening.

The naming thing is something I have been doing for a long time: I would search (in our example above) for Guide and/or CC, etc. The dates would just make it the specific file I actually wanted to view. It does work and you don't have to remember what you called it at the time; the name includes the general description of what it is.


I'll be looking for your Win8.2/Win9 review sometime in 2015.

 

BTW i do use a similar structure for scanned files ( just no dashes...do they actually make a difference? I dont see how still) and that sort but for random files i dont follow that...too tedious I rLazy once again ^^ I also organize in elaborate folder systems...which is why the search thing bugs me when it won't show the top folder and stuff. At points i am 10 folders in

here is one

"C:\Users\HOPELESSLYFAITHFUL\Desktop\Computer stuff\Computer guides and setup info\H-S\G51j\G51j Low Ambient Temps\High Air Flow\ICD\F@H"
FOLDERS rofl

11 folders lol. It will get obscene when i make my encrypted drive for storing private information....work in progress.

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=356487 Once i actually build it i wont have to ever mess with it again. So i dont consider it wasted time. It'll last a good decade or two until something better comes around. Plus no one is going to be able to leak a 3 TB container over the internet so that removes any internet attacks too.

BTW i appreciate the convo too. I learned a bit about win8 and it was quite interestiing

 

That's deep.

Having lived through the limitations of DOS with the 8.3 limited filename lengths and even more limited file folder path restrictions (260 characters?), I am very leery of putting anything in the 'normal' User folders or using special characters (like '@'). They're just too d@m long!

This is another reason for me to have a second drive or partition with my User folder being a single character 't' on the root of the drive/partition.

In your example, I would have:

"D:\t\d\CS\G\H-S\G51j\LAT\HAF\ICD\FH"


Where 't' is the root folder for me ('tiller) and 'd' is my desktop.

Now; I can name the file almost anything I need to (descriptively) and search will find it. The issues with folder based naming of data is that once that data is removed from the folder (for whatever reason) - it looses it's context (at least for my PDF's, images (RAW, jpegs and TIFF's) and financial data). And without context; many data files loose there significance in providing me with actual data I can work from.


Your folder structure has 135 characters without the filename. I have shortened it to 35.

If this was my system: it would be D:\t\d\PDFs

The filename can be descriptive as he!! and can even be backed up with a descriptive file folder (with date/time) without me worrying that the filename will be mangled.


Just a heads up: folder based file systems are on the way out and have been for a long time.

Get used to it at your own pace (instead of being forced to at some point in the future).


Okay; now we're off topic.


I'm out!

 

folder system on the way out?

That one is ridiculously organized because trying to keep track of 2 machines, 2 different TIMs, 2 different ambient temps, 2 different rates of air flow, 4 different tests for each case....was very very hard. I was testing a lot fo stuff and gave up over 2 weeks of work when half of the testing became botched. Here is a drop down view



BTW i have 1000s of folders of photos, guides, word docs, scans, and everything. There is no way to know what t/g/w/f/s/h is when it could be 10 different things -_-

to understand what was completed and not completed and where it fell in line with everything else wouldn't have worked in a single folder. I have over 48 hours of graphs broken up into 10-20min chunks...hell it might have been close to 100 hours for all i know. It was all broken up into charts too for each test comparing.

 

Didn't think my system would work for you (at least not at the level I'm using it at, of course).

But; can you take a file from a random folder and know what it was (without looking at the contents)?

Worse: if the file names are the same in different folders; that is a catastrophe waiting to happen.


Yes; file systems are on the way out. Though I shudder to see what will replace them.

When you have people used to opening their music app to play songs, their video app to see movies and their 'x' app to do 'x' - the file system is not longer relevant. Though that is mostly limited to handheld devices for now (and almost all tablets too) - the goal is clear: hide the underlying mechanics of the O/S and just give the data expected.

That is why I've renamed several million files with descriptive names over the last decade or so. Metadata is the way forward, I predict, but I hope I don't have to live through the full implementation of that kind of massive/disruptive change which we're surely heading to.

 

yea the file names are equally detailed....especially for the H-S test. G51j ICD low temp high airflow F@H or something like that. Almost all my files names are descriptive but the added folder organization makes it easier to manage. I worked on a long time ago creating a decent system for my photos and such but i never renamed the photos themself...that would take years. Putting them in folders for achieve is good enough.

yea i hope i wont have to go throw that....i think a folder system for pictures is better than some crap GUI browser for 10,000 photos. I really hate not being able to navigate the file system on a phone. Trying to download a file and access it in another program just doesn't work. I am going to say your wrong in the regards to future OSes going retard style with file system because that would be counter productive but than again...look at MS (from my perspective) and it isn't surprising.

 

Folder based file systems work and will continue to do so, well because that's how humans operate for the most part. You don't throw a bunch of physical papers in your drawer in your desk do you? No, you sort them, organize them appropriately. Keyword searching is great to have, but an organized hierarchy with personal meaning is best. With thousands of photos, videos, music files, etc you still need to provide the key words for them either through a folder hierarchy or longer file name. Metadata has been around for a long time, and used more predominantly on the internet because you're talking about trillions of files from millions of locations with no single order of organization. To most a PC is a personal device organized and managed for the way you like it.

I'm in the same boat as HopelesslyFaithful, keyword searches don't do squat especially with the Windows search engine. It's much easier to drive down your folders to the data you need, and can retrieve it quickly.

 

HopelesslyFaithful and HTWingNut,

I'm in total agreement with you - but greater minds than ours are working on abolishing this folder based organization of our data for a long time now.

Not only MS, but everyone that is interested in managing not only my personal/business data and yours - but all that data collectively, for the whole planet and eventually solar system, etc..

When our children's children will have the equivalent of 1B+ folders for the data they can have access to; folder based organization will be too slow to use in a single lifetime (or just as bad; most of the data will sit there dormant/go to waste).

Right now; huge hurdles for them to overcome (from me and you being the biggest ones) - but one day version 0.1 Alpha will come to be of fully metadata based files which will need no folders structures at all to be found efficiently.

Right now; think One Note, Evernote, etc. - but take it to the extreme.

 

yea that wont be in my life time and i am noly in my 20s...or not in my active life time.

 

Yeah, I hope it won't be in my lifetime either; but I've been very, very wrong before too.

And I'm so on the wrong side of my 20's... it is disgustingly obscene.

Still, tech seems to move faster than I would ever have guessed.

No matter how slow it seems to crawl on a daily basis.

 

Haswell left, Broadwell right. I think desktop versions.

DailyTech - Intel Previews Devil's Canyon Chip, "Black Book", and Broadwell

Broadwell desktop supports DDR4.

 

Wow that is a tiny die

Nm pic when small looked like die only...it is actually the socket.

what's up with weird socket size

 

Geez, this Broadwell stuff is exciting. And, DDR4? Wow, looks like my next build is going to be one hell of a new package all-together.

 

Wait, will Broadwell Mobile support DDR4? Because that, plus an Iris Pro GPU, might be enough for me to jump from my Haswell.

 

Intel hasn't announced anything about Broadwell mobile, so we will have to wait and see.

ALSO my dream is coming true. Fanless (powerful) laptops are here!:
Rumor: 12-inch Retina MacBook Air updates coming soon without fan or mechanical trackpad button