Hi all. Found this thread while researching the GL40. I recently, (last week) purchased a Presario CQ62 219WM (Wally world special) with a 900 Celeron. The next day, I removed the 2gigs of 6-6-6-?? generic memory, and replaced with 4 gigs Gskill 5-5-5-15. Began looking at different procs that might be compatible with the GL40, and the fastest chip with matching fsb, socket, etc is the T9300. I found one fairly cheep.... 130usd. So wondering, before I buy it, has anyone tried this proc in this particular laptop, if so, which bios supports the dual core procs? Thanks for the help, and will post the before/after benchmarks when complete.
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You did notice the cpu-id proc speed and multiplier, right? Seems a little slow for a 2.5ghz proc.... also looks memory must be ddr2667
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I've been following this thread with interest.
I was recently given two laptops one DOA Gateway with a T5750 in it and a working Emachine e525 with a T1600 in it. I put the T5750 into the emachine and 2 x 2gigs of ddr2-6400 and a 500GB Seagate hybrid drive into the emachine as well and for the most part I'm happy with this machine, actually happy enough that I sold my Amd x6 system(not a power user so this was over kill). I have a T6670 coming in which will be nice, once it is in will the ram run at 800mhz? I'm assuming it will.
I found a T9300 on ebay for a decent price and am considering putting the T6670 on ebay once it is delivered and getting this instead, will I notice a increase in performance going from the 6670 (2m cache) to the 9300 (6m cache)? It's usually used for web browsing, Photoshop, winrar and occasional mkv encoding.
I wish replaceing the CPU was as easy on the Emachine as on the Gateway though, that CPU came out in about 30seconds, the emachine I have to totally dissassemble. -
Cache is good3X as much is even better!!!
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I guess now that I've taken it apart 3 times it isn't that bad and I only had 1 screw left over. lol The emachine is nice because they only use 1 size of screw throughout the whole machine, I remember pulling a Dell laptop apart at work and it had a lot of different size screws, what a pain!
I did a little more research and the 9300 isn't going to be a whole lot quicker than the 6670 that I have coming in so I don't think the price will be worth it at this time. With the prices of SSD drives coming down I may selling my Momentus XT and get one.
Actually I was offered a Mac book at a great price, so I'm debating about selling the emachines now and dual booting the Mac. Hmm...wonder if the processor can be upgraded on those...lol I love to tinker.
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The stepping is also different on the t6600 which effects power efficiency but I'm not sure exactly how.
I'm curious to see you guys' resultsthinking of getting a dv1000 to give my t6600 a try.
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I'm really looking forward to getting the T6670 in as I think it'll make the overall system much more responsive just for the fact that the bus speed will be going to 800mhz from 667.
I ended up not picking up the T9300 because of the benchmarks I saw online I couldn't justify such a small increase for the money. There was a larger increase from the T5750 that I have now to the T6670.
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It is kind of interesting to see how many people want to upgrade there laptops. I was talking to a coworker about how I upgraded the processor in my free laptop and how not it's getting to be a pretty spanky little machine and I had 3 people come to me asking me to do theirs. Might have a good little side business.
My ebay battery came in and I charged it to 100% and I got just over four hours before it shut off, that's way better than my old furnance Toshiba (Turion) laptop I had before. -
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I got my T6670 in today and installed it. Runs great, everything is noticably faster and my ram is running at 800mhz. Nice upgrade to an entry level machine and this time I had no leftover screws. lol
Now to sell the T5750 and it was a very affordable upgrade. After I sell the old CPU I still think I have less than $100 into this. $45 for battery. $12 for a power cord and $40 (after selling old CPU) for the CPU.
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Slightly off topic, but these are some machines.... would make a great portable gaming rig with razor mouse and usb keyboard:
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I have a Toshiba Satellite Pro L300 with a GL40 chipset and am thinking of upgrading form a single core Celron 900 2.2ghz to either a T8100 or T6600, just wondering which one would give me the bigger performance boost? Compare Intel® Products The T6600 has a slightly higher clock speed but the T8100 has a bigger cache, any ideas?? and will I see a significant performance increase, mainly use my computer for music production?
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Just updated my e525 from a Celeron 900 to T6700.... wow what a difference....
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It appears that Mobile GL40 Express chipset(Cantiga) can run with a variety Socket P processors of Merom and Penryn architecture, Front Side Bus (FSB) 667Mhz and 800Mhz.
Merom (microprocessor) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Intel though is less extensive with compatible processors,,huh.
Mobile Intel® GL40 Express Chipset
The many Bios are a study to find which ones support what CPU's,,,,
Socket P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_P
Intel Socket P PPGA478 update-----list of Merom Socket P's
http://ark.intel.com/MySearch.aspx?s=t&CodeNameText=Merom&Sockets=p
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What really confused me is that the Intel site says my GL40 is only compatible with other Celery products.
Is there any sort of "BIOS dumping" utility that will show me what CPU models the BIOS recognizes? I have the latest version according to the support page for my laptop, F13, dated 11/23/10 (though it was posted later, I'm using CPU-Z to show the BIOS date). -
Well I made my order of a T4500 from CedarPC.com. For $50 after shipping I figure it's worth a gamble...and it'll double my CPU performance if it pays off.
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last bump, a T4500 works well in the Wally-world special that is the CQ56-219WM. Pretty nice performance boost, too....best $50 I could spend on this machine, after a RAM upgrade anyway.
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Hi! I have an old acer 2930z that my wife now owns.
It's running a Pentium(R) dual core T4200. i just wanna know if i can upgrade the cpu to core2duo. And is the new core 2 duo compatible with my motherboard? and how would i know what kind of chipset do i have? -
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Well, the T4200 is a Core 2 Duo based processor (not a core duo), so there's a chance that you could upgrade to a full Core 2 Duo processor. The question then extends to possible BIOS conflicts, among others.
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To OP's question, you might be able to but the GL40 line is blurry. Acer has never whitelisted CPUs, you might want to get a post in the Acer subforum as actual owners might be able to list their upgrades. -
Core Due is the first generation of intel dual core CPUs. It includes amongst other CPUs the T2300, T2400, T2500, T2600, T2700, T2050, T2060, T2080, T2250 and few other that I can't remember.
A laptop with any of the above CPUs can be upgraded to one of the following Core 2 Duos: T5200, T5300, T5600, T7200, T7400 or T7600. -
Just upgraded my Acer Aspire 2920z CPU from T2330 to T8100.
T2330: 1M Cache, 1.60 GHz, 533 MHz FSB, PPGA478 socket, dual core. 65 nm.
T8100: 3M Cache, 2.10 GHz, 800 MHz FSB, PGA478 socket, Core 2 Duo. 45 nm.
The chipset is GL960.
I've purchased a used T8100 off of internet for a mere 50$. The difference is DRAMATIC. The best 50$ I've ever spent. Windows CPU index went from 4.3 to 5.5. My 4 year old laptop is like a different laptop now. It's also running cooler (from 80 C to 60 C.)
I had upgraded my HDD for 40 GB Intel X25-V before. Although it had helped faster load and startup times, it hadn't helped as much as this CPU upgrade. Totally recommended...
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Okay,,here I am,,,time for some Liquid refreshment,,,okay ,,now,,
Lenovo G530 with Intel GL40 was not given any press here about CPU upgrades,,well, here it is,,,The upgrade you can do is the Intel T6500
Intel® Core?2 Duo Processor T6500 (2M Cache, 2.10 GHz, 800 MHz FSB)with SPEC Code(s) launched in Q2 '09
I downloaded bios tools to find CPU strings ect,,nothing worked to find the list of processors that run with this most popular version by Lenovo. I kept searching and found this post in Lenovo forums:
G530-444638U Sleep/Hibernate issue with windows7 U... - Lenovo Community
Notice the BIOS version is 6GET19WW(for non-hdmi),,now notice that this person is running,,the Intel T6500 Processor(s) ,,well Lenovo G530 runs T3400 667 mhz fsb,,the T6500 is 800mhz fsb,,look at your bios--the latest-its the same as above 6GET19WW(for non-hdmi),,thus the CPU string in this Bios updates includes the the Intel T6500,T3400,further,,the INTEL GL40 runs 667mhz and 800mhz DDR2 200pin ram,,thus you can move up to 800Mhz Processor and ram, by simply exchanging them..Dont forget the cpu thermal grease at that time,,one BB size amount is enough grease.
Now,,I have seen lots of activity on ebay many used T6500 are being sold in single and in bulk,they know about this too,,However,,I'm going to recommend a more suttle approach to this upgrade,,,WAIT !!!! until your warranty has expired before upgrading,,that way Intel T 6500 will be much less and you can install new items,,the prices are dropping on new 800Mhz DDR2 200 pin and T6500 new ones is coming down,,my warranty for instance has another 1 and 1/2 years,,I upgrade then and have faster laptop as I shop for lenovo replacement !!!!
IBM/Lenovo has come thru and enabled your upgrade path for nothing,,dont do something dumb, they added value to this series,,for free.......
Funny,,this corresponds to windows 8 rtm more or less,,how about that,,,
Wait on Windows 8 and buy a retail one with retail license and install it,,,,use old full vista, upgrade it to windows 8 much cheaper,on a new value lenovo,and a retail license of win 8 to boot.
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. The T4200 is slightly faster than the T7300, also a lot cooler
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The T4200 ,lithography 45nm
The T7300, lithography 65nm
see ark intel to compare.
In between mfg dates,,thermal design was improved for 45nm models,,T6500 is 45nm lithography, thus runs cooler than 65nm lithography. smaller component design and cooler temperatures appear to be the trend.
Also CoolLenovo G530 series had several processors it runs,,the top end,,I found is T6500 2.1 Ghz, 2M cpu cache 800mhz fsb,Intel core 2 duo,,45 nm lithography,,t3400 had 65 nm architecture,,T6500 has more transistors in it,ect,,its nice to move from 667fsb and 667ram to 800fsb and 800mhz ram, when its that time.
The problem is what processors would the latest(1/28/2010) bios{(6GET19WW(for non-hdmi)} accept, now we are making progress,,,,,the T6500 is the highest one I found Lenovo installs in G530 series, verify your bios is the same,
It appears also Intel made the T6500 in 2006 and launched it in Q2 2009,,
If look in ebay you can find Intel T6500 close up it shows it was made in '06,,and arkintel shows it was launched in 09,thus Intels " turn around time" was about 3 years for T6500.
On the web site I bought my G530,,I saw 100+ of them vanish(sold) in a week,ect.,,then when the next batch came in,, I bought mine and these vanished(sold),,then lenovo stopped manufacturing them in September-several months later ,more or less of the year I bought mine,many,many were sold. Lenovo will probably release there T6500 finds later to us, customer loyalty and company loyalty is a two way street...
The post in lenovo community shows T6500 works with Lenovo G530 series with the bios specified,earlier.
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Just upgraded an Extensa 5235 with GL40 chipset and a Celeron 900 to the T6500, working great. Worked ok with T5550 and T5270 as well.
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I forget to add I tried the T7300 on a Dell Latitude E6400. I had an error message at boot saying that the CPU was incompatible (not supported by the BIOS...something like that). I was given the choice between entering the bios or pressing F1. After, pressing F1 I was able to log into windows and use the laptop normally. One thing though, I had to install RMclock to force the CPU to use all its multipliers. The CPU was locked (I don't remember well) either its lowest or highest multiplier. Also IDA and superLFM were dis-activated.
So basically, as long as the bios support old generation socket P CPUs they should work with the GL4* chipset. I think in the case of the Lenovo G530 the bios was borrowed from an older model and extended to support newer CPUs. Hence, why I was able to install the T7300 on it. -
Tsunade_Hime such bacon. wow
I thought if your BIOS didn't whitelist CPUs and you installed last generation, BIOS would generate an error as last generation Merom chips lack the SSE instructions that all Penryn and Montevina chips have?
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Naton
"So basically, as long as the bios support old generation socket P CPUs they should work with the GL4* chipset. I think in the case of the Lenovo G530 the bios was borrowed from an older model and extended to support 1066MHz FSB CPUs. Hence, why I was able to install the T7300 on it.
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I have bought a t2370 for a pin mod project and I have a T9900. I'll try them on my Lenovo G530 and post back"
I found this by lenovo: Its called:
Personal System Reference
lenovo Essential Notebooks
April 2010-version 376
26 pages in pdf
It lists certain lenovo notebooks from Lenovo N200 15W(0769)-October 2007
to Lenovo G560(0679) with Intel i3 core and HM55 chipset,,it lists by models;;For example The lenovo G530-4446-34U,23U,24U,35U,3JU,3GU,36U,25U,38U and shows all the details,,the processors,Express chipset,Sata drive sizes,graphics used,,,the works.. They have tons of processors in all these Lenovo Notebooks,,,lol,,,
I found it by Googling,,its a direct download link and is pdf. I try and locate it again.
Heres the google page,,wealth of information on lenovo notebooks:Its the second one,,the first one goes to april 2011 and only lists web modelsG460-470,560,G570-only,,no G530,,,ect,,2nd link is more information, April 2010..
lenovo Essential Notebooks - Google Search
It appears Lenovo here has extensive CPU support,,makes sense too, there HQ is in China(PRC),US HQ Morristown,NJ,,Lenovo sells direct there,so they would need to economize,,thus One BIOS with much support in it saves money,
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Got a successful upgrade on Emachines G520 from Celeron M 575 to T4400 Pentium Dual Core!Works great,even on blueray videos.
Be sure,that T 7*00 C2D processors will not work because of the microcodes!
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I know this thread is a bit old. But wanted to share my experience with people who want to try this in the future. I have a Gateway MD7309u which came with a Pentium Dual Core T4300 running at 2.10GHz and has the G40 chipset. I swapped it for a Core 2 Duo T8300 which runs at 2.40GHz and 3MB of cache and the performance gains were spectacular. My WEI moved from 5.4 to 6.0 and my battery life increased over 40 minutes as my old Pentium Dual Core wouldn't reduce its FSB speed or Vcore values, only its core frequency. With this Core 2 Duo, it will reduce its Vcore values and FSB when idling and runs about the same in terms of temperature. I wanted to to get the T9500 which is pretty much the fastest processor with the 800MHz FSB but the price is too hefty for a small advantage in performance.
I saw a review online of a guy who did this move and was dissapointed, as the WEI score moved from 6.0 to 6.2, and beside of 2-5fps in games, in everything else the performance gains were between 1-3%, heat dissipation and power consumption also increased due to its larger cache. So seems to me that the sweet spot would be the T8300 in terms of performance/battery consumption. -
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Worth scouting or making a dual-IDA bios for it as well. You'd get another 200Mhz, 2.6Ghz, with a W7 WEI CPU of 6.2See dual-IDA link in my sig for more details.
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Hi, I want to upgrade my laptop Dell Inspiron 6400 (E1505) CPU T5600 1.86Ghz 1.5Gb DDR2-667 ATI-X1400-128MB to use with newer faster CPU like T6500.
is it possible ? or any other faster Interl CPU compartible ?
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From the T5600 you can upgrade to a T7200, T7400, or T7600.
I doubt you'll see a real improvement going from the T5600 to a T7200. I would say 0% with every day applications such as internet and word processing and a maximum of 5% to 10% in CPU intensive applications such as video encoding.
The prices for the T7400 and the T7600 are just crazy; over £100. The T7200 is around £40. If you really want to spend money you should consider adding more RAM (upgrading to 3GB), or replacing you're harddrive with a faster one.
I personally would save my money towards a new laptop
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If you have an ATI Chipset (Chipset not graphics) you can BSEL PIN Mod the T5600 to force to run at 2.2GHz instead of 1.83GHz. See my sig for details. Note that the BSEL mod won't work if you have and intel i945 chipset. -
I thought I should let you know that some laptops with the GL960 can be upgraded to a Pentium Dual Core T4*00 and Core 2 Duo T6*00 series. Unfortunately not all laptops can be upgraded.
The Toshiba Equium L40 cannot be upgraded to a T4*00 even with its latest BIOS. I tested with a T4200 and the laptop freezed at the BOOT screen.
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Naton - you posted somewhere of running one of your CPUs with a lower BSEL which did not incur multiplier lock-down to x6. Wish I could find the post.
Given you have a T9900 1066Mhz CPU, what happens if you isolate the CPU's BSEL pins so your GL40 chipset receives a 800Mhz BSEL signal? Does it boot but at reduced speed? That would be OK if you can then compensate with a PLL overclock back to 266Mhz. If it doesn't work then it may also be a CPU microcode issue.
This test is suggested because the GL40/965PM chipset doesn't support 1066Mhz FSB. The datasheet then says the chipset will shutdown if it receives a BSEL other than ones it supports.
The HDX9000 folks could benefit from your findings. They'd love to get a Q9000 working and have had confirmed 200->250Mhz PLL overclocks. Plus the Q9x00 series supports quad-IDA for another 2xxMhz across all four cores with a modded bios, something they also have.
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The post you're referring to was not from me but from another NBR member. This member told me that a CPU won't lock on its lowest multiplier if the BSEL Mod was done to downclock. This member tested with a laptop that has an intel GL960 chipset. I tried to locate the post but I can't find it. If I remember correctly he downclocked a Core 2 Duo with 800MHz FSB to 667 and 533 MHz.
I still have the T9900 and I have access to a laptop with the GL960, I could try to pin mod to force FSB 667 or 800 and see if the laptop will boot.
Side note:
Assuming that the mod works, a BIOS up to date is still required to support the T9900. If the BIOS doesn't have the microcodes for 45nm CPU the T9900 will not work.
Question:
The datasheet of the GL40 claims that it support RAM with FSB 800. I tried with several CPU and the PC6400 I tried is always locked on 667MHz. Is it the GL40? or is it because the BIOS is not selecting the right Memory/FSB divider? -
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I don't think anybody has gone to extent of BSEL pinmodding from 1066Mhz -> 800Mhz to try to get it to work. So am quite interested to hear of your results.
Worth noting that some Dell Vostro/Inspirons with GL960/965PM chipsetss came with the newer 45nm T4x00/T6xxx CPUs. Not sure if the microcode they use is the same as a 800Mhz Penryn like T8xx/T9300/T9500 or is if from the 1066Mhz Penryns. Those T4xxx/T6xxx CPUs were widely used in budget PM45/GL40 chipset systems. -
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NATON, the incompatibility issue of the Inspiron E1505 and the T5600 is due it being socket M,right?
i think the T6500 is socket P. Seriously that is quite odd. the platform for the gl40 is higher than the socket M. The socket Ps came out with the Montevina platform specifically for 2nd generation wolfdale architecture. To get a socket M paired with a Intel chipset family 4, is pretty weird.
Anywho, i have a gl40 socket P in a Toshiba Satellite L505-es5015, and it comes stock with a T4400 2.2ghz, 800mhz FSB penryn.
my concern is will a gl40 mobo v000185550 accept a T9550. the gl40 manufacturers "goal" is to fit into the low end market and not compete with the gm45 high end market. So, either the gl40 accepts the T9550 at a 1066MT/s-->800MT/s bus, or it does not accept it at all, without a BIOS/firmware MOD.
2 kookie things... i believe after thorough review of the list of core 2 cpus(wiki),
i believe some cpus are overclocked, based on the increased FSB/frequency/multiplier to voltage.
notice a cpu i.e.T9500 is 1.00-1.250 V at 800MT/s and others are 1.05/1.06-1.2 at 1066MT/s with the higher frequency, respectively.
anyway that is one of my hypotheses, that they get overclocked, in the first place.
2nd one i need your input...
i hypothesize that the intel family 4 chipsets, gl40,gs40,pm45,gm45,ge45,gm47 are ALL the same chipset, but with different firmware/microcode telling the BIOS different instructions.
the similarities between the pm45,gm45,ge45, adn gm47 are really like, gpu clock from 533mhz--.640mhz or the pm45 can run in power saver mode,320mhz/533,hz...think about it. if i was Intel, i would not waste the operational money on multiple factory assembly line setups...that's millions of dollars for each individual setup...why not make one setup, and have different microcode/firmware put in.
i need to know EVERYTHING about the gl40/gm45 chipset firmware/microcode...
i need to know if there is a mask ROM, OPROM, EEPROM or the firmware can be flashed just as easy as the BIOS...i don't think the microcode is part of the BIOS...if the chipset has a driver's license to I.D. itself, then the BIOS is the swiper gadget to check who it is...
where is the northbridge chipset's wallet ?
the BIOS reads:
IF gl40-->THEN redheaded stepchild, low FSB, low RAM, low cpu...
IF gm45--> THEN caviar and expensive brunch for VIPs.
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Just upgraded CPU from Intel T3400(Merom) to T6500-Core 2 Duo,, runs cooler fan hardly works so far..Lenovo G530 with Intel GL40 Chipset,,I used AS Artic Silver 5 Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound, the heat sink radiator had much dust,, now all clean,,,I'm very impressed with lenovo workmanship, this is a value model ,yet screams with quality, no wonder its there top seller model in the value line.
WEI was 5.4 went to 5.6 for CPU and Ram,,the price was around $15 for a used one,,new ones will be around $15 later on............"Boom",,Intel "smokes" speculators-sellers on there new CPU's prices again,, hahaha
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Next,,I upgrade the ram from Sodimm DDR2 200 pin pc2-5300 to pc2-6400, when the price is right.
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hi guyz, thanks a lot for sharing you knowledge on such an excellent thread.
can some one help me in determining that if a core 2 Duo T9300 can replace a Dual Core T3100. Actually i am planing to upgrade My Compaq Presario CQ61 which is serving me from last 2 years. The t3100 is clocked @ 1.9 Ghz with 800 FSB & GL40 Chipset & the Mother board is 517835-001 GL40 UMa. it is a great laptop and i want to keep it though i need to upgrade the processor.
If T9300 will not fit into, then what would be a next best available upgrade option.
thanks in advance to all of you.
*Sorry i forgot to mention that i already have updated the BIOS to current version.
GL40 Chipset CPU compatibility?
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