GL960 Chipset Processor Upgradability

Ok T7300 is ordered hope THAT will work, how i Said i will Post my results if the cpu is arriving

 

You're most welcome! Glad I could help.

You'll need to find the correct program to read your system's BIOS, and that will entirely depend on which company wrote your BIOS. For example, my ASUS laptop uses an AMI (American Megatrends Inc.) BIOS, but there are other vendors out there. You can find out by turning your machine on. A name should be given, besides HP providing the BIOS vendor.

The entire BIOS reading process is completed inside Windows, so you won't need to boot into the BIOS, but you will need to download the BIOS from HP. 10676 and 1067A will identify Penryn support.

Best of luck!

 

Thanks for that information, now I know Throttlestop doesn't report C3 data for C2D, and somehow that svchost problem had vanished without a trace. (what?)

Anyway, now I may have encountered another bug, it is that L2 cache is not detected properly, at least by Windows 7.

Here is a photo,



As you can see, L2 cache state is disabled, if HWiFO64 is detecting correctly. Any way to test if L2 Cache is working??

I really hope this is incorrect, but it is unlikely, since the CPU is not supported by the BIOS., and windows says the L2 cache size is zero. (from cmd, with command "wmic cpu get l2cachesize")

Can you guys also post photos about your information of L2 cache?

 

May I ask who you are asking here?

 

Let INTEL be the judge. Download Intel Chipset Identification Utility 6.0 .My presario c700 is identified to have 82GM965 .

 

Intel's tool will simply detect the device ID. Most of the laptops mentioned here will fall under the same device ID, identified as GL960, but the processor support and system memory capacity is closer to that of the GM965.

 

By "you" i mean everyone who has a Penryn CPU for their GL960. May you also check if your Windows detects your CPU L2 cache properly? Type "wmic cpu get L2CacheSize" in CMD.

Mine is zero.

 

I don't actually use the laptop anymore as I have a desktop now, but I'm more than willing to keep on assisting others with GL960 laptops. I am typing this with the laptop, in fact.

Here is my result. It is an ASUS X58L-AP020A, with the AMI BIOS 203 update installed. The processor installed, is a Core2 Duo T9300.

Code:

C:\Users\Dylan>wmic cpu get L2CacheSize
L2CacheSize
6144

Also in reference to what I mentioned previously, I am almost done creating a tool to assist in GL960 upgrades. It will allow you to identify a real GL960, versus a falsely marketed GL960, such as my laptop. The only thing I can't implement, is BIOS support for upgrades as that is nigh impossible to achieve. And it is web-based. No downloading necessary. I am just grabbing a few screenshots and it should be pretty much ready to use.

It will get updated over time, so don't worry about that. Despite me moving to a modern AMD desktop, I'm not going anywhere from the GL960 community. I can't stand it when companies try to outsmart its customers. A lot of these "GL960" laptops are in fact almost as capable as GM965 laptops.

 

Here is the very first iteration of the tool: GL960 Debugger

The laptops section will be updated over time, and I might revamp the actual tool itself in the future, but it's fully functional right now, and it's the result of research over the past four and a half years.

That being said, if you spot errors, or have a laptop you want adding, please get in touch with me. It's nice to have a community that helps each other.

 

DylRicho GL960 Debugger

Огромное спасибо, очень полезно!!! Thank you very much, very useful !!!

 

You are most welcome! Glad that I can help.
(All my sites now use SSL, so if you see any blocked content messages, it'll be because I've forgotten to link to files with SSL! Unblock and everything will be fine.)

 

My configuration -
GL960 (965 Stripped down),
GM965 (видео 400 MHz),
Intel® Pentium® Processor Т2310 Socket P,
Toshiba satellite L40-14F,
BIOS v5.50,
(1GB+1GB) DDR2 PC2 - 667 (555 duai chenel) Qimonda,
SSD 60GB,
WinXpx32.
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Please advise the maximum option to improve ???!!!
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My experience №1 -
Intel® Pentium® Processor T3200 Socket P,
DDR2 (it was 533, has become 667) duai chenel
GM965 (видео 500 MHz)
Works stably, well, but warms up.
My experience №2 -
Intel® Pentium® Processor T4200 Socket P,
It does not start, that is, the picture is launched BIOS, and this is all worth it
Turn off only by pressing the start button(7 sec)
I was told that the matter is in the memory manufacturer, it is necessary to select experimentally.

 

How to add photos(Screenshots)?
Something I can not do.

 

Hello kit0001, and welcome to the forum.

You can upload photos to Imgur, and then link to those photos here. You won't be able to link to images directly from your computer, because they need to be hosted on the Internet first. Imgur will let you do this for free.

From what you have told me, it seems as though your Toshiba Satellite L40-14F can support processor upgrades, but its BIOS lacks microcode to support Penryn processors. This is why the Pentium Dual-Core T4200 didn't work.

I'm happy that you are able to expand memory. Unfortunately, as I currently can't see the photos you posted, I can't tell if you have 2 GB or 3 GB of memory installed?

 

I'm understood, thank you.
How do I know if there is a microcode in my BIOS?
Since the BIOS is the latest version, and a newer version is not available.
On the official BIOS site of the same version as I have 5.50, but for one month is more new. He does not want to update.
I heard that the problem may be from the fact that the memory for the manufacturer is not suitable.

 

http://imgur.com/a/vQLSb
Pay attention to the date BIOS.
My BIOS v5.50 (05.14.2008)
Official site BIOS v5.50 (06.17.2008)
Update does not want, it turns out that this is the same, or not, or not?

 

http://imgur.com/a/vQLSb
Foto my BIOS

 

If the BIOS is refusing to update, you can safely assume that they are the same BIOS.

I have downloaded the BIOS from Toshiba's website, and had a look inside for microcode support. Here is the microcode list: http://i.imgur.com/OLZQZsK.png

The blue column is where we look for processor CPUIDs. For Penryn, that's 676 and 67A. As you can see, neither of those are in the table. But, there is good news. Merom is there, which is the same core that the Pentium Dual-Core T2310 and T3200 are based on. You can upgrade to a Core2 Duo T5000 series or T7000 series. The T5900 and T7500 are your fastest options. The performance difference between both options will be around 2–3%, caused only by the difference in cache.

• Core2 Duo T5900 @ 2.20 GHz (2 MB L2; 800 MT/s FSB; 35 W; Socket P) — SLB6D (M0)
• Core2 Duo T7500 @ 2.20 GHz (4 MB L2; 800 MT/s FSB; 35 W; Socket P) — SLA44 (E1)
• Core2 Duo T7500 @ 2.20 GHz (4 MB L2; 800 MT/s FSB; 35 W; Socket P) — SLAF8 (G0)

For future reference, your laptop has now been added to my debugger.

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• Core2 Duo T5900 @ 2.20 GHz (2 MB L2; 800 MT/s FSB; 35 W; Socket P) — SLB6D (M0)
• Core2 Duo T7500 @ 2.20 GHz (4 MB L2; 800 MT/s FSB; 35 W; Socket P) — SLA44 (E1)
• Core2 Duo T7500 @ 2.20 GHz (4 MB L2; 800 MT/s FSB; 35 W; Socket P) — SLAF8 (G0)
  

Hello, Many thanks for the answer.
1) Tell me please, why do you think that does not fit Core2 Duo T7700, Core2 Duo T7800 ?
Their parameters are the same as for Core2 Duo T7500.
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Core2 Duo T7800\2.60 ГГц\4 MB\800 MT / s\Socket P\G0\SLAF6
Core2 Duo T7700\2,40 ГГц\4 MB\800 MT / s\Socket P\E1 SLA43\G0 SLAF7
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2) Can I insert the 676 and 67A firmware in my BIOS in manual mode?
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I want to put the processor on the Penryn core in order to lower the temperature, it should go down (10-20)С.
Yours faithfully, Геннадий.

 

Greetings...I need your advice.

Did you think...this upgradeof Intel mobile Core 2 Duo T9500 2.6GHz Dual-Core, can be work on my machine...is little same of yours laptop. This is my model and specifications:

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System Information
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Time of this report: 3/19/2017, 20:23:23
Machine name: OPC2015
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_ldr.170209-0600)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Sony Corporation
System Model: VGN-NR160E
BIOS: Ver 1.00PARTTBL
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7100 @ 1.80GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz
Memory: 2048MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 2038MB RAM
Page File: 1417MB used, 2659MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode

If I can make this upgrade to my unit...will be excellent...I need more speed. Other problem I have any days ago...is the audio of my laptop sometimes...is looping, jumping, the CPU is overtop when I work an any project...also, to moving the touncpad. I need help to resolve it.

 

First you need to know what kind of chips (socket) and chipset -
http://imgur.com/a/qph3Z
Support is also important BIOS.

 

There You go:

 

Thanks but, that thing of this options, I'm don't find it to read this information. If not had other way to view this information?

 

I watched your movie 3 times, great design. What would you understand from my laptop Toshiba design is such that in order to get to the processor you need to disassemble it completely. Remove 60 screws and remove the monitor. Today I did this for the fourth time to check or see the GL960 chipset core Penryn? He does not see it because of bad BIOS, there is no necessary microcode 0670.
It is very sad and sad that Toshiba does not update the BIIOS.
(Google translation is not very good)

 

Thanks, but for that video if I made this post...that model of laptop is different at my model.

 

Here is the link to download CPU-Z v1.78 (2017). Download and install, everything is in it.
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

 

Thanks for the link...here is my setup

 

You have a very good chipset, which most likely to support such processors as Intel® Core ™ 2 Duo Processor T9500 or Intel® Core ™ 2 Duo Processor T9300. But beforehand, you need to check the presence of the corresponding microcodes in the BIOS. The BIOS needs to be updated to the latest version.

 

DylRicho
Ааааааууууууууууууу,...You where, dear, You all very much need us!!!

 

Thanks for the information, but I need help in this, since I see that they are experts, I would like to be able to update this on my own but I will be sincere, since I am not a technician in this, and I want to learn. I do not know how to look or work that tells you about the BIOS and how to check, update, and whatever else is needed to run without any problem.

 

PLEASE!!! my laptop is still going with the problem of audio, video and perfomance...is so lagging, freezing, and jumping the audio when I move the cursor of touchpad...and this happen when I saw videos on youtube, or my desktop files videos...and music. This is the evidence...

 

The T7700 and T7800 models use a microcode that isn't supported by your BIOS.

I would highly recommend against modifying your BIOS because you can render your system useless. While it is theoretically possible that someone can add in the microcode, I don't have any experience in doing this, and therefore cannot help you.

If you are considering upgrading the processor from your current Pentium Dual-Core T2310 to the Core2 Duo T7500, you can expect a very healthy performance gain of roughly 60%.

I can say that it looks very promising. Your system uses a GM965 chipset, which theoretically means that most Socket P processors will be compatible with your system. Additionally, up to 4 GB of RAM is supported, which is a clear indication of the GM965 chipset.

However, processor compatibility is not just determined by the socket, front-side bus speed or chipset. The BIOS firmware needs to support the microcode for the processor you want to use, or the system will fail to load Windows.

Sadly, I don't have access to software that can read Phoenix BIOSes, so I can't check for Penryn support. But, you could follow what I did, and purchase the cheapest Penryn processor you can find to check for compatibility, before going all out on the Core2 Duo. I grabbed a Celeron M 925 for this purpose, which set me back just £5 back in 2013.

Also, you might want to consider the T9300 over the T9500 as it has much better performance-per-price. You sacrifice 100 MHz on the core frequency, but the T9300 sells for around half as much as a T9500. It was this way when they were released back in 2008 as well (T9300 @ $316 and T9500 @ $530).

May I ask what resolution you are watching videos at on YouTube? The Intel GMA X3100 inside the GL960 and GM965 chipsets will struggle with video resolutions beyond 720p (1280×720), and even that will require a strong processor. If you are trying to watch 1080p (1920×1080) or 4K (3840×2160) video on this machine, drop back to 720p at the very least. These systems simply are not capable of such high resolution video playback.

If that isn't the case, I'm not really too sure why the processor is being pegged at 100% like that. It is a moderately powerful processor, and while its clock speed of 1.80 GHz is low, it should be providing better fluidity than what my Celeron M 575 did.

 

DylRicho
I am very glad to welcome you !!!
I have the following news

1) In my BIOS there is a microcode 06FA, 06FD, this means the fit T7500 (SLA44), T7700 (SLA43) and do not fit T7500 (SLAF8), T7700 (SLAF7)
Screenshots- http://imgur.com/a/ZvBPF
I correctly think, or not?
2) I can not find the original new microcodes from Intel for Socket P(478)
Help please find them
3) Found the following new microcodes for Mobile LGA 775
But I'm not sure that everything is correct.
Here these codes-
for 45nm
cpu00010676_plat00000080_ver0000060f_date20100929.bin
cpu0001067a_plat000000a0_ver00000a0b_date20100928.bin
for 65nm
cpu000006fa_plat00000080_ver00000095_date20101002.bin
cpu000006fb_plat00000080_ver000000ba_date20101003.bin
cpu000006fd_plat00000080_ver000000a4_date20101002.bin
Вот ссылка -
Contains microcode for all Core 2 Duo and later versions of mobile processors / laptops (not Pentium 4 or desktop support)
http://www.delidded.com/lga-771-775-microcode/mobile-lga-775-microcode.zip
4) It turned out like this- http://imgur.com/a/nglbE
Two old updated, one deleted and some added.
What do you think is correct or not?
I can not find original new microcodes from Intel for Socket P (478)
Help please find them

Bye!
Sincerely, Gennady

 

This is another image http://imgur.com/a/InefW
How do you think, it will turn out, just do not disappear !!!

 

1) Good find! You can definitely use the T7700, if you stick with Intel spec code SLAF7.

2) If you mean Penryn, they are 676 and 67A.

3/4) If you are injecting microcode into your own BIOS, please do so, at your own risk. I will not be held responsible for any issues.

If by this question, you are asking me how I think your modified BIOS will work, the simple answer is that I don't know. It could work flawlessly, or it could brick your system. I don't endorse this.

 

Glad to greet you!
Only not the T7700 (SLAF7), he does not fit, it has code 06FB in my BIOS it does not.
Suitable T7700 (SLA43) because it has the microcode 06FA, which in BIOS I have.
Http://imgur.com/a/ZvBPF
Thank you very much for your help.

 

No problem.

 

Hello!

1) You are using Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit and Memory: 2048MB RAM.
Memory: 2048MB RAM is very small for Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit, for Win7x64 you need 8000 RAM or at least 4000 RAM.
2) It is necessary to have a system SSD drive necessarily, the speed rises 4-8 times.
SSD 60GB is enough. User data is stored on an external USB Disc.
3) It is necessary to optimize (Auslogics Boost Speed 5), clean (Auslogics Boost Speed 5), defrag (Auslogics Disk Defrag Professional) is always OS.
4) Optimize the Internet connection.
5) Clean the within inside the dust and change the thermal grease in the service center or the house itself. (1 per year)
6) The processor you have the average performance, but you need to make sure that when idle, it has a load (0-2)%.
7) Antivirus protection, good .ESET Smart Security
8) Update drivers and BIOS (very important)
9) Monitor the temperature, if not low, put a small fan with the rear where the radiator outlet.
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If all this is there and does not help, put a new powerful processor. T9300 or T9500, but first check or have microcodes for them in your BIOS.
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I advise you to put Win Xp-32 Sp3 Pro, on SSD, it will cope with your tasks perfectly, it will not be possible to just play games.
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If you are able to disassemble and assemble a laptop, you can put the processor and change the thermal paste and clean it yourself. But if you do not know how to carry it to the service center better. Because you can break it. !!!!!!!!!
But understand that the responsibility for all actions for disassembling your own laptop can only be carried by you.
If you are not sure, it's better to take it to a service center.
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Thanks for all your suggestions, I will take them into account seriously. But I can not lower the power of 64bit to 32 bit, because I need to work with powerful graphics programs like photoshop cs6, after effects cs6 and I see netflix. This problem is not since I got this laptop ... this started days ago. I think my biggest option is to buy a more powerful processor in the meantime, and send for a hot paste artic artic mx-4. Do not worry, I'll be careful to do the update operations ... I already saw tutorials on YouTube.

 

Your processor refuses to work because it overheats, and not because it is not powerful, the powerful will be even hotter. On my processor when the load is 100% the temperature rises above 70 ° C, I put another small fan behind the hot air outlet. Then the temperature drops by 10 ° C. And it works stably. It is not desirable to heat for more than 70 ° C.
http://imgur.com/a/v9SAB

 

And still, SSD is always cold, even then 100% reading load. Hard Disk if the load of 100% reading or writing is always hot, it means there will be an OS crash .

 

SSDs (and any electronic circuit) do produce heat under enough sustained load.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9396/samsung-sm951-nvme-256gb-pcie-ssd-review/2

 

And breaks down, or fails In the functioning at insufficient cooling

 

I am writing to you now from the system with the T7700 - SLA43 - (CPU-ID 06FA). (Changed T3200 to T7700)
Tempature has dropped by 5C, it's good, productivity has increased, it is felt.
http://imgur.com/a/IPAOl
Now waiting for the T9300 or T9500
Your table can be slightly adjusted, according to new data.

 

That is interesting. Is this still with an unmodified BIOS?

Incidentally, I came across something interesting today while indexing a laptop in the house. ASUS has apparently taken a desktop Celeron processor and overclocked it slightly.

There are no other reports of this kind of configuration being used elsewhere, only by this ASUS laptop. So, information is sparse. Additionally, there are no known SKUs with this clock speed and FSB frequency in tandem. It appears to be a Celeron 220, with a 300 MHz overclock.
http://i.imgur.com/gtfORqi.png
http://i.imgur.com/XJuw5Wc.png

Not entirely sure what to make of this. (The laptop is an ASUS K50C, by the way.)

 

Hello!
Yes, my T7700 - SLA43 - (CPU-ID 06FA) runs on native BIOS, it works well, the CPU is not hot. To risk with installation of the modified BIOS yet did not become, what not to break all.
But without the installation of a modified BIOS (with a microscope 10676), I can not put the T9500 and T9300, it's a little sad ... but maybe later.
As for the ASUS K50C, I think that it is overclocked, maybe with the help of a newer BIOS version, this is possible.

Thank you for your help!
Sincerely, Gennady.

 

Ha ha, it really looks like it is overclocked. Celeron 220 is on FSB 133MHz and in this Asus it work with 166MHz hence the 1.5GHz speed. I see that this laptop use SiS chipset then it is very easy to overclock it with changing so called BSELs because it will not lock multiplier on 6 with core2 processors like Intel chipsets and since it's Celeron which don't have SpeedStep then it will not do that either. About incorporating microcode for Penryns it should be very easy because Asus use AMI bioses. Just find on internet lga771 to lga775 mod where everything is easy explained because in some cases they had to inject microcodes for lga771 xeons to have them work properly.

 

Yeah, I didn't think your BIOS supported Penryn. But, the T7700 is a substantial improvement over your previous chip, so swings and roundabouts. You're most welcome for the help, and I have updated the CPU support page to reflect your findings.

 

Oh, good catch! I completely missed the FSB frequency. I have no personal experience with SiS chipsets, so that was news to me. Thanks.
I will have to check the BIOS. This is how the machine was when we got it.

His particular system was a Toshiba, using a Phoenix BIOS. I have the ASUS laptop (Penryn support was already there, surprisingly, so I had no need to add microcode).

 

Hello!
Yes, you know, it turned out to a large extent thanks to you.
So I'm very grateful to you.
Now I always think how to update the microcodes and not break the laptop, at the same time.