How do you want your next laptop to be built?

What I love about Alienware (and never really manifested with the P870DMX) was the ability to be a portable desktop, but also worked as a laptop too. I could get 5-6 hours battery life on the M18x when I switched to intel GPU. I doubt there are any p870DMs that can remotely approach that kind of battery life. I'm pissed intel killed off socketed mobile extreme chips.

 

This is why I love my current setup of having a desktop at home base and then a tablet or light laptop for mobility. I understand not everyone has the space for a desktop and that some are on the road enough that they need to effectively bring desktop power with them, but I suspect that's not enough users to make a dent in the market any more.

 

Yeah; desktop + notebook is still the best option today for having a backup, not only of your DATA, but also of the hardware/platform you need to run that DATA on.

Over the years I have seen many left out in the cold with lots of data backup (2, 3 and more copies) but no system with which to do their work on when that single system fails.

I have 3+ notebooks and 5+ desktops for my personal use (with DATA synchronized between all of them) and still have run into specific situations where I was without a system to use. That is why I love the T100TA type 'digital notebooks' that can still make me look professional vs. trying to do anything on a 'smartphone' (yeah; even replying to emails...).

(Note; the 'DATA' itself lives additionally on a multi-drive NAS - that is why a small notebook with a keyboard and external mouse can do what I need).

Not only is the notebook lighter and usually more battery efficient using this approach (still waiting for the promised full day/8 hour run time!) - but I walk a little taller too.

 

It's also nice as a bridge, so when it comes time to upgrade and you want to sell one off to help fund its replacement, you've got the other to briefly shift to.

 

Probably the last true desktop replacement that had excellent battery life and could work as a monitor (HDMI IN).

I'd like to see a P870DM3 made of anodized aluminum, mux switch for better battery life (even 7700K has integrated graphics!) and to top it off, an HDMI IN.

 

With the number of people asking about HDMI IN you'd think there would be more options for that floating around out there.

 

I don't understand why it was taken out. I still cannot find any USB2/3 or ExpressCard solution that has no latency.

Only laptops I know of that have it:

Alienware M18x/M18xR2
Alienware M17xR3/R4
Alienware 17 R1/18

Clevo X7200

Don't remember if the older Clevo's had it but yeah..

 

Me either. It's clearly popular.

 

Pick up a properly sorted M18x R2 and I don’t think you’ll be disappointed. Maybe avoid building one this time around

 

I never really had any use for the HDMI input, but it would be a nice feature for someone to have if they could identify a benefit to having it. Same was true of the IGFX switch. Between the M18xR1 and M18xR2 I think I actually had a reason (for pleasure only, not an actual need,) to rely on the battery twice over many years of happy ownership, and I used the 6 hour battery life to its fullest both times. If battery life had ever been more important it would have been extremely useful to me.

The nicest thing about the IGFX (but only with an SVL7 unlocked BIOS... not possible with stock BIOS) was the ability to boot from IGFX to flash a bricked GPU.

 

Naw I'm done. My M18xR1 was brand new from HIDEvolution and was bad(they tried fixing it for two months). Although it was beautiful, brand new nebula red m18x r1 new in 2017, that's hard to find. I ended up getting a refund for it.

Then my friend's M18xR2 dies..this was sad. Ultimately after what happened with My R1 he decided he's going to just get a new laptop.

Only two survivors are my friend's legandary M18xR2 Nebula Red Maxed Out(my previous M18xR2 that I should have never sold) and my brother's M18xR2 (Stealth Black, 680m SLI, 3630QM).

I'll stick to my Clevo for now. Probably my last DTR laptop unless things change.

Edit: I spoke too soon, there's someone selling a M18xR2 here on the forums and they're 40 mins away from me LOL

 

^^This, even though I've never swapped a CPU in any laptop. 10 years ago, I did consider swapping out the Core Duo T2600 for a Core 2 Duo T7xxx series CPU in my old HP Compaq nw8440, primarily so I could use a 64-bit OS and 4GB of RAM, but I never got around to it.

 

thats one portion i feel lacking with clevo's desktop replacement feel like they cheaped out. iGPU has its own good use, such as troubleshooting when dGP goes bad you can still do work, and game at low settings. as for battery issue, i'd simply duel boot and on 2nd partition have 1 core active only and put on p12 or w/e GPU lowest state is with least voltage and use it that way.

i think those two cp have different FSB unless its T7600 iirc can't remember. get T7600G for overclock duo core.

 

I'm probably one of few, but can we get a display panel that is actually worthwhile at the competitive gaming level? I can feel ghosting on every panel on all the recent laptops being released and it makes my games feel sluggish (this is including the 120Hz/5ms panels). There are times I just don't want an external display connected...

-An FPS enthusiast

 

All other game genres are just cheap imitations of what makes PC gaming so wonderful.

 

r00d

 

he's right tho

 

Thanks. I do what I can. +5 rep

 

Being right is always wrong in a world obsessed with being politically correct.

What's that word they use???

Oh, yeah... tolerance.

Mountain: ∆
Mole hill: ∆

 

Eh?

I think the only two FPSes that are worth playing today are BF1 and PUBG.

I'd much rather sit back and relax with a musical masterpiece, a graphically-intensive, interactive open-world game like The Witcher 3.

As for 'what makes PC gaming so wonderful', the PCMR subreddit has beaten this to death so much I don't want to list it all out again, but, like I said, @Mr. Fox... You're fond of absolutes. Not everything is #FFFFFF or #000000. There's no political correctness in this. Some people detest FPSes and exclusively play grand strategy. The lowest they'd descend is Civ V. Others play a bit of everything. A few build ridiculously powerful PCs to run one thing: flight simulators with cylindrical projection. Even a system with a 7700K at 5 GHz and 2x GTX 1080 Ti SLI would sit up and beg for mercy when X-Plane 11 is run with all the sliders to the right. I've seen it.

It's the same argument with BGA. Just because you think it sucks doesn't mean it does (well, it does, but how else would we get 0.8cm notebooks? Unless you've got a solution).

 

I agree, but I don't think Mr Fox is being serious serious, after all everyone knows that it doesn't really matter what games you like (I mean c'mon we can't get upset about that, these are the mountains & molehills!), I'm thinking people were just having fun with the conversation in that fps gaming part - starting off with the "rOOd" comment. Ha!

 

I'm intrigued by this "fun" thing and wish to learn more. Where can I download it, and is there a guide here on the forums, or elsewhere?

 

ASRock releases the small form-factor DeskMini GTX/RX PC with GTX 1080
https://www.notebookcheck.net/ASRoc...eskMini-GTX-RX-PC-with-GTX-1080.245958.0.html
https://www.asrock.com/nettop/intel/DeskMini GTXRX/index.us.asp#Overview

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  • Discrete MXM slots with Type A/B/B+, up to GeForce GTX1080
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  • 4K@60Hz video outputs: HDMI, DisplayPort, mini DisplayPort
  • Up to 3 x Ultra M.2 PCIe Gen3 x4 Slots
  • Supports Intel® Optane™ Technology
  • USB 3.1 Gen1 type-C port
  • Brand new Micro STX platform
  • 2.7 Liter tiny size

 

Yes, exactly. It's all fun and games until someone loses any eye. Life is too short to be serious about everything. I knew the comment by @Jarhead was playful and gave him rep for it.

 

Yeah, nothing too serious (except maybe the BGA v no-BGA thing). As for games, of course some FPSes can be very demanding on computer hardware though of course other genres can be too. An example: I typically play WarThunder (flight sim-ish) and management games like SinCity and Transport Fever; playing those sort of games on their "beautiful" settings is also quite taxing on computer hardware (such as city games and tracking all the citizens; that'll stress the CPU easily).

Danke, by the way

 

I'd argue but now that I think of it most of the genres I preferred back in the day have stagnated to the point where I don't play them any more or are irrelevant, so you have my grudging agreement.

 

old games are generally made better, in terms of story, game play mechanics etc.

just like most of the older movies from 60-90s are generally better than the flashy, cgi movies nowadays with boring stories.

 

That looks pretty interesting. Thanks for sharing it.

 

Eh, I'd say the same with FPSes really: they all look and feel the same to me, at least between when I started playing them (early 2000s) thru to the MW3 era. On top of that, what I've seen since I stopped playing them is that it's still the same, with one or two gimmicky elements attached: sometimes you can drive a big robot (Titanfall), it's a MMOFPS (Destiny), it's a clone of TF2 with cute girls (Overwatch), etc.

That said, personally I don't think the gaming industry as a whole (not just FPSes) are really doing anything interesting to be honest, and it's all just gone flat and stagnent. Really, the only thing to come to mind that's been game-changing (excuse the pun) in the last few years was the rise of voxel games (Minecraft, etc), and *maybe* very-realistic sandbox sims (KSP, etc).

The rest of the "innovations" mostly have just been gimmicks and/or excuses to consume more CPU/GPU resources (which might also be considered a gimmick).

 

I think so too, unless I'm just older than I used to be!

 

Wooot, Titantfall 2 for the win! I likes them robots and the flying through the air & all! (I'm on a break from it though, it was too addictive & it was annoying me, so exploring Mass Effect Andromeda recently.)

 

I didn't really mean that. Many of the games I had in mind literally had no story at all, or had such a bare skeleton of one as to be almost meaningless. FPS games largely haven't had to change mechanics and they've remained relevant the entire time. What I meant was that many genres that I was big into are no longer as popular and games within them don't get as much dev love because the consumer base wants its FPS games and genres that I don't play like MOBAs.

 

You are welcome
It should use this one
Aetina gtx1080

 

young kids nowadays dont have the time and patience to appreciate movies/stories games at slow pacing. basically, people lack patience or becoming more and more lazy. if people are willing to learn to repair their own pc, learn about the hardware, basically learn about eveyrthing they do in life they'll easily understand (not prefer btw) why we choose LGA over BGA and LGA cpu usually at a much higher quality.

 

man that 1080 wont work in p570wm or m18x r2

 

I don't think it's the slow/pacing part, more like a lot of older games just straight up didn't have a story at all or had one that was simplistic like "Bad guys are here, shoot them in their faces". Nowadays every game is expected to have one so games that used to just hand you a shotgun and ask you to please apply a fine coating of alien blood to every surface are now given a "story" that seems half done and shallow.

I do agree on the hardware side though. It needs to be more widely understood that PC enthusiasts have about as much in common with most users as that guy in his garage trying to eke every last bit of horsepower out of his car do with every day commuters and the hardware for the general audience is not for them in either case.

 

you are right

 

i find new games are stale in terms of game play and game mechanics, and it seems people play for the stories and the looks which is quite boring, theres hardly any thinking part in most of the AAA games. games on the other hand RTS/FPS or dota/league requires more work and those are the ones i played the most. or super smash brothers, Tonyhawk pro skater etc.

heres a good video


video hit spots on many things really.

 

I would actually argue the opposite. PC gaming is becoming more accessible and widespread, and the younger generation appears to be embracing it fully, just look at the success of Let's-Play channels on YouTube, or the popularity of games like Overwatch and LoL. It's teens and young adults keeping these things alive, not lads who reminisce about their Commodore '64s.

In some respects you're definitely correct, but I think you're over-generalizing. Take MOBAs for example; they have long and steep learning curves relative to other genres, and yet the MOBA scene is mostly young people. Even games that have built-up, for a lack of a better word, 'cringey' fanbases populated mostly by children and teens like Undertale and Minecraft require a considerable amount of dedication and time to really get the most out of.

 

@Mr. Fox sorry forgot to ask i thought u might know this since u own both clevo P870 and MSI tornado laptop. johnksss and meaker told me any of the clevo laptop with desktop CPU can't use it's iGPU due to clevo purposely design mobo that way. what about the MSI tornado 15" laptop could you use iGPU?

 

Notebookcheck started their own survey. Its different, but still slightly relevant.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Survey-Most-important-features-for-a-gaming-notebook.244952.0.html

 

@Donald@HIDevolution may know

If it does, you would need to source your own lcd panel. I don't think IGPU is compatible with either the G-sync or 120 Hz panel options sold

 

That's a philosophical question that's hard to answer. It comes down to time and money. Same thing like with fixing your car or things around your house. I have to choose between what I fix and what I pay to fix or what I just pay to outright replace every so often. I don't have time to do it all. I don't have money to pay to fix everything. And if it's something you're not familiar with, it takes extra time to learn, and learning means mistakes, and mistakes means money.

It also comes down to quality of manufactured goods too. PC's used to be all about interchangeability and self maintenance. Price has driven the quality of products down, and forced BGA components because that's what the market dictates. 90% of the people buy it in droves, because to them it's an appliance like a refrigerator or washing machine. They don't want to nor have the desire to learn how to fix it. It's not their hobby or in their extended interest.

 

I am not aware of any laptop using an LGA CPU that has the iGPU enabled. This would include the EVOC 16L-G-1080 and the Tornado F5.

 

bummer!! do they have similar issue with desktop as well? you know those desktop gaming setup with 120hz display and LGA desktop CPU. issue with iGP not used.

 

Correct...I should have said I am not aware of any computer using an LGA CPU that has the iGPU enabled. iGPU is only meant for battery life savings, so why do you want to use it with an LGA CPU based computer?

 

for that reason saving battery when on the go, or using it during power outage. use it to troubleshoot dGP and still able to use computer while dGP is waiting for replacement.

 

All good points. Too bad none of the manufacturers seem to have thought of them

 

Fair enough point. And there have been LGA desktops that have access to the iGPU. Having the iGPU available can be a life saver.

 

I fix it for yoo
High end LGA desktops don't have iGPU!! And I really love it

Spoiler: Maybe we should have Optimus for Clevo's LGA beast as well?

Mainstream LGA Cpu's is the laptop worlds HIGH END