What I love about Alienware (and never really manifested with the P870DMX) was the ability to be a portable desktop, but also worked as a laptop too. I could get 5-6 hours battery life on the M18x when I switched to intel GPU. I doubt there are any p870DMs that can remotely approach that kind of battery life. I'm pissed intel killed off socketed mobile extreme chips.
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This is why I love my current setup of having a desktop at home base and then a tablet or light laptop for mobility. I understand not everyone has the space for a desktop and that some are on the road enough that they need to effectively bring desktop power with them, but I suspect that's not enough users to make a dent in the market any more.tilleroftheearth likes this. -
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Yeah; desktop + notebook is still the best option today for having a backup, not only of your DATA, but also of the hardware/platform you need to run that DATA on.
Over the years I have seen many left out in the cold with lots of data backup (2, 3 and more copies) but no system with which to do their work on when that single system fails.
I have 3+ notebooks and 5+ desktops for my personal use (with DATA synchronized between all of them) and still have run into specific situations where I was without a system to use. That is why I love the T100TA type 'digital notebooks' that can still make me look professional vs. trying to do anything on a 'smartphone' (yeah; even replying to emails...).
(Note; the 'DATA' itself lives additionally on a multi-drive NAS - that is why a small notebook with a keyboard and external mouse can do what I need).
Not only is the notebook lighter and usually more battery efficient using this approach (still waiting for the promised full day/8 hour run time!) - but I walk a little taller too.ole!!! likes this. -
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I'd like to see a P870DM3 made of anodized aluminum, mux switch for better battery life (even 7700K has integrated graphics!) and to top it off, an HDMI IN.Ashtrix, Ionising_Radiation, ole!!! and 2 others like this. -
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Only laptops I know of that have it:
Alienware M18x/M18xR2
Alienware M17xR3/R4
Alienware 17 R1/18
Clevo X7200
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I never really had any use for the HDMI input, but it would be a nice feature for someone to have if they could identify a benefit to having it. Same was true of the IGFX switch. Between the M18xR1 and M18xR2 I think I actually had a reason (for pleasure only, not an actual need,) to rely on the battery twice over many years of happy ownership, and I used the 6 hour battery life to its fullest both times. If battery life had ever been more important it would have been extremely useful to me.
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Then my friend's M18xR2 dies..this was sad. Ultimately after what happened with My R1 he decided he's going to just get a new laptop.
Only two survivors are my friend's legandary M18xR2 Nebula Red Maxed Out(my previous M18xR2 that I should have never sold) and my brother's M18xR2 (Stealth Black, 680m SLI, 3630QM).
I'll stick to my Clevo for now. Probably my last DTR laptop unless things change.
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I'm probably one of few, but can we get a display panel that is actually worthwhile at the competitive gaming level? I can feel ghosting on every panel on all the recent laptops being released and it makes my games feel sluggish (this is including the 120Hz/5ms panels). There are times I just don't want an external display connected...
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What's that word they use???
Oh, yeah... tolerance.
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I think the only two FPSes that are worth playing today are BF1 and PUBG.
I'd much rather sit back and relax with a musical masterpiece, a graphically-intensive, interactive open-world game like The Witcher 3.
As for 'what makes PC gaming so wonderful', the PCMR subreddit has beaten this to death so much I don't want to list it all out again, but, like I said, @Mr. Fox... You're fond of absolutes. Not everything is #FFFFFF or #000000. There's no political correctness in this. Some people detest FPSes and exclusively play grand strategy. The lowest they'd descend is Civ V. Others play a bit of everything. A few build ridiculously powerful PCs to run one thing: flight simulators with cylindrical projection. Even a system with a 7700K at 5 GHz and 2x GTX 1080 Ti SLI would sit up and beg for mercy when X-Plane 11 is run with all the sliders to the right. I've seen it.
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I'm intrigued by this "fun" thing and wish to learn more. Where can I download it, and is there a guide here on the forums, or elsewhere?
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ASRock releases the small form-factor DeskMini GTX/RX PC with GTX 1080
https://www.notebookcheck.net/ASRoc...eskMini-GTX-RX-PC-with-GTX-1080.245958.0.html
https://www.asrock.com/nettop/intel/DeskMini GTXRX/index.us.asp#Overview
- upports Intel® 7th Core™ / Pentium® / Celeron® LGA1151 processors
- Discrete MXM slots with Type A/B/B+, up to GeForce GTX1080
- Dual DDR4 SO-DIMMs, up to 32GB
- 4K@60Hz video outputs: HDMI, DisplayPort, mini DisplayPort
- Up to 3 x Ultra M.2 PCIe Gen3 x4 Slots
- Supports Intel® Optane™ Technology
- USB 3.1 Gen1 type-C port
- Brand new Micro STX platform
- 2.7 Liter tiny size
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Yeah, nothing too serious (except maybe the BGA v no-BGA thing). As for games, of course some FPSes can be very demanding on computer hardware though of course other genres can be too. An example: I typically play WarThunder (flight sim-ish) and management games like SinCity and Transport Fever; playing those sort of games on their "beautiful" settings is also quite taxing on computer hardware (such as city games and tracking all the citizens; that'll stress the CPU easily).
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just like most of the older movies from 60-90s are generally better than the flashy, cgi movies nowadays with boring stories.TBoneSan, Mr. Fox, Papusan and 1 other person like this. -
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Eh, I'd say the same with FPSes really: they all look and feel the same to me, at least between when I started playing them (early 2000s) thru to the MW3 era. On top of that, what I've seen since I stopped playing them is that it's still the same, with one or two gimmicky elements attached: sometimes you can drive a big robot (Titanfall), it's a MMOFPS (Destiny), it's a clone of TF2 with cute girls (Overwatch), etc.
That said, personally I don't think the gaming industry as a whole (not just FPSes) are really doing anything interesting to be honest, and it's all just gone flat and stagnent. Really, the only thing to come to mind that's been game-changing (excuse the pun) in the last few years was the rise of voxel games (Minecraft, etc), and *maybe* very-realistic sandbox sims (KSP, etc).
The rest of the "innovations" mostly have just been gimmicks and/or excuses to consume more CPU/GPU resources (which might also be considered a gimmick).TBoneSan, tilleroftheearth, Robbo99999 and 1 other person like this. -
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It should use this one
Aetina gtx1080
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I don't think it's the slow/pacing part, more like a lot of older games just straight up didn't have a story at all or had one that was simplistic like "Bad guys are here, shoot them in their faces". Nowadays every game is expected to have one so games that used to just hand you a shotgun and ask you to please apply a fine coating of alien blood to every surface are now given a "story" that seems half done and shallow.
I do agree on the hardware side though. It needs to be more widely understood that PC enthusiasts have about as much in common with most users as that guy in his garage trying to eke every last bit of horsepower out of his car do with every day commuters and the hardware for the general audience is not for them in either case.Donald@Paladin44, HTWingNut and bennyg like this. -
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video hit spots on many things really.Donald@Paladin44 and bennyg like this. -
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@Mr. Fox sorry forgot to ask i thought u might know this since u own both clevo P870 and MSI tornado laptop. johnksss and meaker told me any of the clevo laptop with desktop CPU can't use it's iGPU due to clevo purposely design mobo that way. what about the MSI tornado 15" laptop could you use iGPU?
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Notebookcheck started their own survey. Its different, but still slightly relevant.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Survey-Most-important-features-for-a-gaming-notebook.244952.0.htmlAshtrix, Donald@Paladin44, Robbo99999 and 2 others like this. -
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If it does, you would need to source your own lcd panel. I don't think IGPU is compatible with either the G-sync or 120 Hz panel options soldole!!! and Donald@Paladin44 like this. -
It also comes down to quality of manufactured goods too. PC's used to be all about interchangeability and self maintenance. Price has driven the quality of products down, and forced BGA components because that's what the market dictates. 90% of the people buy it in droves, because to them it's an appliance like a refrigerator or washing machine. They don't want to nor have the desire to learn how to fix it. It's not their hobby or in their extended interest.Ashtrix, Starlight5, laserbullet and 3 others like this. -
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Fair enough point. And there have been LGA desktops that have access to the iGPU. Having the iGPU available can be a life saver.
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High end LGA desktops don't have iGPU!! And I really love it
Mainstream LGA Cpu's is the laptop worlds HIGH ENDMr. Fox and Donald@Paladin44 like this.
How do you want your next laptop to be built?
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