How do you want your next laptop to be built?

specially on that laptop can only use one type gpu (Eurocom Tornado F5 1080 Gtx), where the heatskink can accomodate only the msi 1080..

 

Did I miss something? There are a lot of LGA laptops that have their iGPUs enabled, especially the ones that don't have a dGPU (like this Thinkpad). Also, wanting good battery life and modularity are not mutually exclusive. My GE40 is getting tired of waving.

 

LGA laptops? Thinkpad? Yeah, A bit on the wrong track ...

 

@Papusan 's been on a tear today.
That being said, if MSI got a clue and made a LGA high end non whitebook laptop (GT75VR LGA), and removed that silly 4 year old hybrid crap migrated from those wimpy 180W PSU's that sometimes died, there would be some serious competition out here. As long as the silly AC power caps didn't exist (throw a 230W on a GTX 1070 if you wish, but let it draw as much power as the system asks for).

 

i think datashell meant socketed CPU laptop. those older laptops with mobile CPU are PGA i believe, LGA is strictly for desktop term pretty much unless we go back another 10+ years before sandybridge. m18x and r2 had access to iGPU and can choose to use iGP or dGP via unlocked bios, ive used them and they work for sure, those were definitely socketed CPU but non lga though.

never the less even if they disable iGP for a LGA laptop, it'll force me to go for SLI option so i'd have to buy 2 graphics card incase for a backup. power saving is simple we can just crank the p state on GPU way down to like p8 and use minimum amount of voltage, but troubleshooting and hardware side of thing is annoying without iGP.

 

For current computers, laptops and desktops:
LGA = socketed desktop CPU. No "H" in the CPU name
BGA = soldered laptop CPU. All are either HQ or HK.

 

@ole!!! @Papusan @Donald@HIDevolution D'oh. I mixed up LGA and rPGA there, my bad. My mind still hasn't completely acclimated to the fact that we can have 6700k's in laptops yet lol.

 

Yees. Sli before iGPU

All good, Sir. I know what you meant But more than I read the forum +rep

 

I want NO BGA, no Soldered RAM, no glued together cases. I want modular, I want repairable, I want upgradable. Excuse me, I DEMAND THOSE CHOICES.

 

Ok, there are good choices available that fit all of your requirements.
EVOC 16L-G-1080,
EVOC P750DM3-G,
EVOC P775DM3-G,
EVOC P870KM,
EVOC P870KM1

All are available on our website.

 

I'm curious, how well do the Intel 7xxxT chips fare in those laptops? It seems as though they might be a good solution for people who want modularity but also some good battery life (like myself).

 

I agree that with a lower TDP, more SmartCache, and slightly higher clockspeed, it could be a good solution in slimmer and lighter laptops, but not these BEASTLY models.

Wouldn't it be sweet to have modularity back in mainstream laptops? However I fear that it just doesn't fit either Intel's or the manufacturer's mindset. It is too good of an idea.

 

I wish Clevo would do a lighter version just for ix 7xxxT CPUs. A man can dream.

 

I'd love to see an LGA CPU laptop with the dGPU as an option. In addition to saving battery, some of us could also save money not having to pay for something that will see no use anyway. Not having a dGPU would also mean a slightly lighter package.

I'm a programmer and data analyst that spends a fair amount of time on the go every day, so long battery life and portability is a must. The stuff I work on is highly computationally intensive, but utilize only the CPU and I'd love to have desktop class performance.

 

It just exists
Clevo n650du is an LGA laptop without dgpu

 

Right. But is the cooling solution in the N650 suitable for an overclocked 7700K? And is there a decent BIOS available?

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Oh, and it must be fully business class. No consumer or gaming company machines. Must be a Workstation Class machine. Must have no fault accidental damage coverage, must have next business day service, and must meet or exceed Business Rugged build quality and also have easily available spare parts and accessories even when 5 years of age. Has to be Lenovo ThinkPad, Dell Precision, or HP ZBook standard. Must also be Linux/BSD friendly. None of the above an option.

 

Would have also picked a business-class machine if that was an option. No use in having LGA and MXM if the laptop itself will fail in a relatively short time, imo

 

You can have a 7700k cpu with this model but it is not overclockable.

If I remember correctly @JerryDD has got that model with a k cpu!

 

I think my point still stands because you don't have to be a PC enthusiast to be a gaming enthusiast, and vice versa. You can run Overwatch on pretty much anything, doesn't have to be top of the line hardware to have a good experience. If you're adding gamers to the tuner vs commuter analogy, there's at least as many that buy a stock Fiesta ST and call it good.

 

Likewise, you don't have to be a jalopnik to enjoy cars

Don't see how either situation is a bad thing imo

 

imho gaming enthusiast is someone who spend a ton of time on games, so technically speaking hardware should be irrelevant. i remember i used to play games on 386 CPU and lagged like crazy but i play happily on 10fps all day for hrs.

 

That was totally me back in the day. Now I try to stay a little ahead of what I think the gaming experience I want requires, but GPU aside that has resulted in fairly modest hardware, infrequently upgraded.

 

I don't know...my friend and I tried playing on a Dell Latitude 12.5" with Intel HD 4400, couldn't run at 1024x768 lowest settings, 50% scaling with barely 30fps LOL

 

2013 cheapo nv gpu will outperform nowaday's ULV garbage

 

gonna upgrade to new 8700k? yeye

 

Going to go laptopless as an upgrade maybe xD

 

7980xe 18 cores binned desktop?

 

OK within reason.

I mainly said that because I'm pretty sure I read about someone getting it to work on their Surface Pro 2

 

That does get me thinking, how close are we to a point where robust hardware in a laptop isn't required at all, merely sufficient hardware and network infrastructure to use your desktop remotely?

 

I play a fair bit on a Steam Link in my living room (tied to my desktop), on a 1000/1000 LAN, so I'm guessing so long as you have a good ISP connection, it should already be close to feasible (if not already). That would be my guess at least.

 

Not if the FCC lobby stops you.

 

We are there already, just that wide consumer availability isn't there yet.

An uncompressed (meaning as sent from the GPU to the monitor, through DisplayPort or HDMI) 60 FPS 1080p video stream plus a 5.1 24-bit 48 kHz sound stream requires a bare minimum data rate of,

for the video stream:

24 bits per pixel × 1920 horizontal × 1080 vertical × 60 frames per second = 2985984000 bits per second;

for the audio stream:

24 bits per sample × 48000 samples per second * 6 channels = 6912000 bits per second.

Total = 2985984000 + 6912000 = 2992896000 bits per second, or nearly 3 Gbps, thrice the data rate of the maximum speed that most ISPs release to consumers, i.e. 1 Gbps. It also means most of the Cat5E cabling in the world will need to be upgraded.

To save you the calculation, 4K 60 FPS requires almost 12 Gbps.

We already have 10 Gbps and 40 Gbps hardware. It's just not widely available yet, and given American ISPs' tendencies to leech the heck out of their consumers, it'll take a while.

As our colour spaces (and hence bit depth) widen, and we get better audio hardware, these numbers will change. I think a global 100 Gbps network will do very well. That means a full 2.5 hour Blu-ray film downloaded in under a second. I look forward to the day when it's PCIe NVMe SSD speeds that are the bottleneck, not slow 1 Gbps cables and NICs.

 

For some folks that will mark the end of "high end" overpriced gaming laptops forever. Adequate is secret code word for inadequate trash. The prevalence of inferior BGA filth has already put us on the edge of the cliff. Laptops that are the equivalent of a smartphone with a large screen and keyboard are fine as long as they are dirt cheap. Being disposable rubbish demands a disposable price that matches. I know that I am not alone in the idea that not being able to have what I want means I won't have anything because compromise is an unacceptable option. Almost and close enough only counts when you're playing horseshoes... in all other circumstances, that amounts to failure. Losers are losers, regardless of whether they lose by an inch or a mile.

I think that is probably going to be my next upgrade as well. Having only two acceptable models to choose from, both of which require an inordinate amount of modifications to make them what they should have been from the factory, really cramps my style. While both of those options are better than the lesser options, (which are incapable of being tweaked enough to ever qualify as being awesome,) I'm getting sick of dealing with the rampant incompetence and mediocrity that is status quo in laptop land.

 

This isn't far off, or if you're willing to make some compromises, it's possible now. There are many great examples of powerful mini desktop builds that I've seen. I'm not sure if there's a good portable monitor option for road warriors yet, a quick look on Newegg doesn't show any inspiring options. And to truly match laptops you'd need a battery in the mix somewhere.

 

But on a more serious note, the technology is here today for seriously portable desktop computers, even with a battery power supply. For example, I recall LTT producing a video on a VR desktop backpack (sorry, forgot the make/model) and that seems to perform as well as a gaming laptop in terms of battery life and performance (or better). Though they were using a VR headset and not a monitor...

 

There are also commercially available VR backpacks. It's an interesting concept, though it seems like it would go through batteries a little faster than I'm comfortable with.

 

The issue with the large consumer base is that they use a computer as a status symbol, and not a tool.

Those who actually prefer function over form is a minority of sane people amongst a sea of braindead zombies.





edit: pic from https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/6zgcsj/rthinkpadcringe/

 

Pretty much the only reason Apple still exists. Sad but true.

 

And flooding public schools with subsidized machines. At least when I was in school and after as I got into building, a lot of peoples' first, only and longest experience with computers was with Apple and by the time they can afford their own system the only thing remotely familiar to them was Apple so they never switched.

 

I think that depends on the country. In the UK I had almost no Apple computers in any of the schools/colleges I went to, with the exception of one room with a bunch of old PowerPC Macs in it that I recall nobody liked using. Perhaps that is why the Apple market share is generally lower in Europe than North America.

 

Definitely true, they seem to have focused their efforts in USA schools. And it's been a while since I was in one so I'm not sure what the percentage of Apple systems are there now. In high school it was all Apple except for one computer classroom that had a PC specific intro class.

 

I think the population of sheeple with money to waste on severely overpriced tech garbage is higher in North America than Europe. Otherwise, Apple would already be out of business. With few exceptions, not all, Apple/Mac lovers are generally the most technically ignorant self-proclaimed geeks I have ever seen. Many view themselves as being tech-savvy and what that means to them is they know where to point and click to make stuff happen on a Mac or an iPhone and they are wizards at getting things done using the app crap that comes bundled with the OS by default. Windows 10 is the ideal (notice I did not say perfect) Mac OS replacement for these yuppies. That's one of the reasons Windows 10 is such a pile of feces.

If there is one thing we can count on, like money in the bank, it's a goofed up mess from the USA public school system. Being run top-down by goof-balls with cockamamie ideas about religion, politics, family values, climate change, etc. I find it amazing any of our kids are able to spell their names correctly... but, they get credit for trying even when it's not done right. Apple products fit into that mentality perfectly.

 

The ad hominem is way too strong...

 

Buying laptops, just/only because they are U.S designed or manufactured in U.S will never go well!! People should rather start use their brain, up their knowledge about hardware and look beyond their nose tip Btw Is this the way you want your next laptop should being built?

 

Using that it was made in the USA as the only reason for buying anything seems like a suspect decision for an end user tbh.

 

@topic well the P775DM3 is already a damn fine device after some magic, but on the topic "How do you want your next laptop to be built?"

Socketed of course lol, what question is that +

• no pregimped Bioses, let me OC without stupid throttling from the get go (CPU Bios and GPU Bios), at least let us unlock it via a key combination like my old MSI GT725 did eg. Ctrl+F1
• better software, well yeah our good old CCC, just give me a better version of the keyboard utility with a much better design and i would be happy, i hate it to have 2 separate energy options etc, maybe a standalone fan curve program would be nice too and or integrated with the sleek keyboard util, maybe with even custom fan curves
• give me 1 or 2 USB Ports on the back of the notebook and move the audio ports to the left, i dunno if i'm in the minority but at LAN's i hate to plug in my mouse on the right side cause i have to sacrifice extra space for the damn thing, same for the audio ports it's just bad placement in my eyes
• better keyboard, i dunno it is fine yeah but maybe there could be some optimization, the steelseries one in the MSI books were pretty good when i tried them
• touchpad, oh god the touchpad it's one of the most ****ty things on the P775, how often did i zoom all the way in when browsing cause the touchpad thought hmm you are scrolling since 5 secs, i guess you wanna pinch to zoom NOW was much better on my previous 770DM/ZM even 3 finger back/forward swipe worked which i absolutely loved.
• not a critique point in itself, but better QC please, i bet if Clevo would put more effort in the Heatsinks and the Heatsink design in itself, even the P775DM3 would be quieter and at the same time cooler, thickness isn't a argument for me you cannot outplay physics that easy

that's it what i found what could be better on top of my head.

 

I can definitely agree on the USB ports in the back, or even most/all ports in the back. Have that on the Thinkpad W520 (well, one USB port) and I miss that feature on the Elitebook 820.

And trackpoint > touchpad

 

I have been trying to get used to trackpoint since probably the late 90s, still not feeling it, so to speak. I always ended up thinking it would be neat to put one on a full sized mouse for scrolling though.

 

I have been using ThinkPads for many years (provided by employer) and I still hate the eraser head on the keyboard and the extra buttons between the keyboard and touchpad. I have tried to get used to them over and over again and the harder I try the more I hate them. On top of being miserable to use, they are unattractive. I had a couple of Dell Latitudes (also employer provided) between the ThinkPads with the same type of setup and they were just as miserable. I am not able to understand why some people love them, but I know some people do.