I know what you meanBoth my children was forced to buy L450 when they was on school. I gave up after one day testing it. But I'm probably too old learning how to use it
Almost same sick design as AcerBook Triton 700
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And I don't like (hate) small notebooks. Same with touch screen... It's great learning something new, but not this.
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My existing laptop is showing signs of old-age, I'm most likely going down the path of building my own desktop. Alienware have gone to sleep over the past 4 years, and no way am I going down the soldered path of its competitors. Socketed choice for me all the way, for what its worth
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http://www.performance-pcs.com/primochill-praxis-wetbench-black-yellow.html#Specifications
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Indeed! I've spent most of last and this weekend just trying to decide on which desktop case to go for, and trying to justify to Mrs Yeti the need for a 2nd 1080
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"Phase Change:
Hetload which can hold:
300W at -30°c on Evaporator Head "
And, the USA qualified model is a tad more expensive, with the same 300w maximum heat load:
LD PC-V10 115V USA Phase Change - Black
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And I would change that radiator fan with a more powerful Delta model
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I could be wrong and it might be ridiculously noisy, but all I am saying is I certainly would not take his word for it on face value based on other things I see from Linus that don't line up with my perspective on things. If it was really overly loud and obnoxious, that should have been exposed with something more than a nonchalant passing comment as part of the video IMHO. Some people consider a computer to be noisy if they can hear it at all. I don't mind being able to hear it as long as I can have a normal conversation without having to raise my voice to compete with the sound coming from it. Otherwise, I don't care if it is silent or not... not very important to me. Silence might be really important to Linus, which could skew his perspective without some context to defines what constitutes "noisy" by his definition.
In the same breath as his passing comment about noise he also mentions heat getting dumped into the room. That would actually concern me as much or more than noise.
A good second option to phase change cooling is using a chilled water loop, but I suspect there is at least a little bit of sound coming form the chiller because it also uses a refrigeration system with a small compressor to make the water cold. I know @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER uses chilled water and it is very effective.Last edited: Sep 29, 2017Ashtrix, tilleroftheearth, Papusan and 1 other person like this. -
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This is one place where I would definitely question the practicality, in a typical A/C unit the radiator and fan are on the outside of the house. You're dumping heat into a practically unlimited system. If you had this thing connected to an outside compressor I can see my way to that a little better. But indoors, you'd need extra ventilation/air movement for it not to get uncomfortable. -
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I went dual AIO and it's pretty quiet, (H011i for CPU and MSI Sea Hawk for GPU). I'm told dual Krakens is quieter since you can have 240mm radiators on both CPU and GPU and work the fans less so I might do that. Don't think I'll bother with a res/pump loop, I need easy/modular more than I need pretty. -
http://www.performance-pcs.com/hot-...hp-790watt-cooling-capacity-waterchiller.html
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That's...really cool. And it looks like it can integrate into an existing coolant loop? That would be a fun upgrade for an existing system.Mr. Fox likes this. -
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To add some words to the whole phase change/ Water cooling....
Phase change is one part while cascade is the other part of that. Phase change can get as low as -30C to -40C, while a cascade unit can hit -110C. LN2 can hit -190C. And for the record. LN2 is hella noisy. Just like Dry Ice is at -72C.
The bigger the compressor the longer you can hold a -temp with say using R507A. Or you can mix certain gases to get a very nice blend, but if you do not have the tools to do this or let alone fix it when it breaks. You will be out a very large amount of cash when you have to ship it back to be repaired. No normal AC guy can repair this and have it working the same way you bought it. Why? Because they go by the book when loading the gas and that is just not going to work on this type of setup. So just remember that when it breaks down or starts leaking. The can do the hardware repair portion, but the gas side you would need to explain and hope they understand and get it right before they charge you an arm and a leg for wasting these expensive gases. I have my own tanks so that was never an issue for me. (Same with an LN2 tank and a very good relationship with Airgas for LN2)
Water chillers can range from 0 to -30C (if you home brew it or alter the thermostat on a store bought one.) They also can keep your temps low for a lot longer than a phase change unit can. If you overrun a Phase Change unit then you will need to shutdown the system and let the Phase Change unit cool back into the negative temp range. Then you can start back up. This also brings in condensation and more importantly than condensation is the ice quickly melting on top of your gear. This is why prep work is 100% Mandatory! The better the job the more water build up the board can handle and dissipate over blue shop towels.
My Water chiller barely ever runs and I have the temp set to 99F on a 5960X running at 4.5Ghz. It only has one pump and no add on radiators warming backup the water. The cpu is sitting at 40C right now. And pretty much stays around there for being on 24/7. So that means my water chiller is pretty silent for at least 95% of the time. Now.... When I use it for benching, then I drop the temps to 0 and it can handle the 5960X for quite a while allowing it to bench some what competitively with the water benching group, but a home brew setup will drop to -30C giving you basically a phase change unit that can run 24/7. At which point the noise level will climb exponentially and last for a very long time! Benching is in no way shape or form going to be quiet! So anyone not up for that should just run AIO blocks with very low noise fans. (Or stock noisey coolers)(For the record. I have 2 of those for testing new video cards and they work better than using the stock coolers)
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How do you want your next laptop to be built?
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