Intel Core i7-8700K Coffee Lake Z370 and Z390

You have the scores from the very CPU under test giving 1354, 1364, 1403, and 1415, and still insist it's 1425...

 

@Papusan
Not surprisingly, adding all those scores, getting an average and dividing by your 7700k score gives scaling of 1.446, or just under 45%, which is the scaling number being bandied about, so that's what we can use going forward for estimates from 7700k scores, 2666mhz results would be 1385cb @ 45% scaling?

 

Please read carefully... I said <lets> say 1425. Is this already put in stone? I talk about what we could expect from stock 8700K. Yoo mean Ryzen still score exactly the same in Cinebench as when it was released? Buggy firmware ain't exactly unkomon.

@Talon run 3200MHz ram and score 1436cb with a brand new platform who still will get bios updates. Yoo mean the score can't be better with same ram? Aka the score can't change?

 

Yeah, his score seems a bit low for 3200mhz memory... probably it will get better with BIOS updates.

 

Yeah, it will come more than one bios update.

One more tested with maximum officially supported speed for the given platform (2666MHz). If we shall trust them I said <lets say> 1425cb. This one nearly matched my prediction / divination. I will stop now Maybe continue next week?

 

Sure, you must be tired hunting down 2666mhz scores

Did you find any lower scores?

It would be nice to get a range, since we know scores seem to vary a good amount, there must be lower ones as well.

 

Seen 1402-1415cb. But that wasn't my goal LOOL

 

Everything new needs a little time to mature. It would be really nice if AMD can find a way to optimize things better and make Ryzen 1800X and higher CPUs better at overclocking. They are really powerful stock and it's a real shame they don't overclock better than they do. That would make Intel squirm even more. I really like the idea of them squirming whether I ever buy anything from AMD or not. They deserve to worry, squirm and lose sleep about the possibility of their unholy monopoly getting vaporized.

 

RAM – Crucial DDR4 2400MHz Quad-Channel 32GB


Edit.
@hmscott More links to reviews of Coffee if wanted

 

Irs

It's up to the software devs to optimize. For higher clocks, wait for ryzen+ in a about 3 months

 

As always, there is hope. Will have to wait and see if it turns out that way. Waiting and watching to see what happens before spending money is the smartest approach, so it will be time well spent.

It will be sad for the early adopters that need to buy a new CPU to keep up if Ryzen+ doesn't suck at overclocking. I am not overly concerned about the software optimization. That generally has a way of working out OK over time. The hardware end of things is of greater concern to me.

 

The 12nm LP (leading process - not 'low power') that GLOFO will be using for Ryzen+ describes 10% increase in performance and 15% higher chip density.
This means that a Ryzen 1600x for example clocked to 3.6 GhZ base will get uplift to 4 GhZ base, with boost being in the range of 4.4/4.5 GhZ for single core. Across all cores, clock frequency might be at 4.1 or 4.2 GhZ (because usually Ryzen goes above base clocks across all cores).

As for overclocking... don't know about the overclocking range of Ryzen+ on 12nm LP... but the manuf. process in question seems to be suited better for higher performance vs 14nm they used for current Ryzen, Polaris and Vega ranges. The upcoming 7nm process GLOFO will be using has the same 'leading process' name and appears to be based on IBM's manuf. process suited for high performance (think 5GhZ base for Ryzen 2).
So, I'm thinking that (at least hypothetically), Ryzen+ 1600x might be able to overclock to same or similar levels like i7 - 8700K does (if not, then at least to about 4.5/4.7 GhZ across all cores).

Even if people want to 'keep up', remember that AMD specifically stated that existing AM4 motherboards will support Ryzen+, Ryzen 2 and Ryzen 3... so it will be a simple case of swapping out the previous CPU and lower your overall cost as opposed to buying a completely new system like people usually have to with Intel.

Besides, I don't think people will be necessarily jumping to Ryzen+ immediately as it would be a side-grade for most of those who already overclocked existing Ryzens (albeit at lower power draw). It's the overclocking potential of Ryzen+ that's unknown for now, and it could sway people over if they want to increase performance.
If anything, it's possible that many people who have a Ryzen CPU now, will simply wait and swap to Ryzen 2 instead for IPC and clock increases or those that might be on the fence might get Ryzen+ and upgrade from there.

 

Sounds great. Will watch to see what happens. Hope it turns out well. It is nice to have hope where there recently was no basis for it with AMD. Huge paradigm shift.

 

ASRock Fatal1ty Z370 Professional Gaming i7 Review + Linux Test

Z370 GAMING PRO CARBON AC Feature Video| Gaming Motherboard | MSI

 

News regarding the shortage of Coffee chips
Intel Helps Retailers Digest Old Core K-series Inventory with Game Bundles-Techpowerup.com

"With the rather fast introduction of the Intel Core i7-8700K (just 9 months following the January 3rd launch of the i7-7700K), retailers are finding themselves with quite a bit of unsold i7-7700K (and even i7-6700K) inventory. Consumers are drawn to either the i7-8700K, or the competing AMD Ryzen processors. To help the market digest these unsold chips, Intel started a new game-bundle dubbed "Game Without Compromise." Yeah, the main reason we have a BIG shortage of Coffee (K) chips!!

 

too bad intel's paper launch not only hinders AMD sales but also their own. refuse to go for 7700k now that people knows paying same amount will net you 2 extra cores!

time to wait for 8700k or 9700k!

 

Volta is probably not here before 9700K being launched I hope Intel loose money on the shortage of Coffee chips... Maybe we can see 9700K before time. The longer it takes Intel to push out chips... AMD will grow.

 

That's been my point all along, Intel can't do that and keep up the quality and quantity of what it delivers, making things worse instead of better.

AMD only needs to follow their plans, Intel needs to toss out their plans and recreate a release schedule that can compete, and that takes a big admission, that Intel has been charging too much for too little, for a long time.

Intel so far has been trying to compete and have their cake too, and it's not working.

Intel needs better leadership, new leadership, that can think without the burden of their previously customer cheating philosophy, Intel's previous / current thinking won't get them back on top, it will only continue to solidify their failures moving forward.

Intel can't use their previous direction as guidance for a successful future, right now Intel is direction-less, and poorly managed to place themselves back on the route to success.

 

Asus R&D has identified the problem with the motherboards and LLC causing voltage droop issues across their Strix and Prime boards. Asrock already released an updated BIOS to fix theirs. Teething pains with any new release but glad to see the issues being worked out so quickly!

These vdroop issues once resolved should/will allow for higher overclocks at lower manual voltage settings and this better overall temps hopefully as the voltage drop will be more stable under load.

I plan to do extensive testing after the Asus release so I’m not doing more testing that isn’t accurate.

In addition it seems pretty confirmed Z370 will be seeing an 8core/16 thread chip eventually.

“bit-tech: The 20 previously unused pins that you mentioned, what are they now used for?
Andrew: Many of them are used for power control. It's possible that these are in preparation for the high-core count processors.


http://www.bit-tech.net/features/tech/motherboards/asus-interview-andrew-wu-rog-motherboard-pm/1/“

 

@ole!!! Air or all-in-one cooling is mentioned here. But what with a custom build water cooled system? Or with Phase cooling?

bit-tech: What frequencies can we expect to hit on air or all-in-one cooling for the six-core chips? Is 5GHz easy?

Andrew: You can see how easy it was [on an Asus-controlled demonstration using a built-in 5GHz profile]! But from the samples we have in Taipei, we actually saw that more than 50 percent of processors can easily get 5GHz. That's a bit higher than the previous gen, and with more cores. If we see the same on retail samples, it shows Intel has mastered the 14nm

 

i'd trust them way less than silicon lottery. a 5ghz profile is simply a profile, they mention nothing of voltage required, temp (which involves deliding for a non-throttled 5ghz) nor the heatsink used in AIO confined space.

i'd trust silicon lottery way more and 8350k at 5ghz delided, showing voltage 1.425v for heaviest benchmark, reached for 60% of their sampled CPUs, while tested with water cooling.

now of course i3 8350k is not as well binned as i7 so there could be decent number hitting 5ghz for 6 cores but i would believe temp will definitely be an issue if not delided.

im going for 5.2ghz 6 cores no less though

 

from silicon lottery themselves..
1.45v as long as current pulled isnt that high, thats some spicy stuff. assuming their standard of "typical life" means 1.5-2yrs only, or less. besides thats way too hot in a laptop anyway, gotta get that 5ghz 6 cores under 1.3v at ANY COST.

 

Does Coffee Lake have any IPC increase over Sky/Kaby Lake?

 

No. It is Kabylake + 2c/4t, just a larger die on the same process, no architectural or process improvements. In these benchmark comparisons it looks like there is actually a minor reduction in IPC between the 7700k and 8700k:

 

8th Gen Intel Core vs. AMD Ryzen [720p, 1080p, 1440p, 9 Games Tested]

 

the true answer to that question is, yes and no dependent on your application.

 

Z370 GODLIKE GAMING Unboxing & Overview | Gaming Motherboard | MSI

Over Priced z370 Motherboard? -- Asrock z370 pro 4

 

ASUS: Z270 platform could work with Coffee Lake CPUs

 

"ASUS ROG motherboard Product Manager, Andrew Wu, confirmed with Bit-Tech that Intel's previous-gen Z270 chipset is compatible with Coffee Lake CPUs, with Wu saying it would require a small change "depending on Intel's decision".

Bit-Tech asked if it was a "physical limitation", but Wu replied saying "Not really. It [the power delivery] makes a little bit of difference, but not much".

Then the big question: "so if you wanted and Intel let you, you could make Z270 compatible", to which Wu replied: "Yes, but you also require an upgrade from the ME (Management Engine) and a BIOS update. Intel somehow has locked the compatibility".

There you have it folks, Intel is locking users out of upgrading to Coffee Lake on their current Z270 boards, by forcing users to buy a Z370 motherboard."

Gotta love how Asus publicly put's the screws to Intel, calling Intel on their crap.

Although there may be some validity that Intel can't just open up *all* z270 motherboards to the 8700K in particular, given the wide range of motherboard power handling.

It should be left up to the vendor to enable it on their legacy z270 motherboards that they will warrant supports the power requirements, and not left up to Intel to lock out all use of Coffee Lake CPU's on z270's globally.

 

About time a major tech player grew a pair and stopped acting like a bunch of namby-pamby wusses. Now they, and their competitors, need to do the same thing to Micro$haft for what a POS Windows 10 is. But, they should be a whole lot more belligerent about it. Public ridicule and humiliation, along with severe financial harm, can be highly effective tools as a deterrent against future stupidity when properly executed.

 

How to get an 8700k right now? Buy a pre-built custom system

High-end Gaming Rig: Shadow of War, PUBG, Overwatch & Battlefront II

 

That's how I had to do it. I didn't have enough cash to jump up to i9 Extreme like I wanted to. 8700K was the only acceptable option to i9 Extreme, but could not find it for sale anywhere. Buying a pre-built system takes a huge amount of the fun out of the ownership experience. With quad core CPUs and Ryzen out of the question as options, I had to stoop to pre-built to get the CPU I wanted. However, to my complete surprise, it was the same or cheaper than shopping for parts from various sources after the wasted money for shipping and taxes are factored in. Side benefits: no need to worry about DOA parts since they test what they sell first; and you have a warranty on the full system on top of the longer component manufacturer warranties. The greatest downside is that your choices are limited to what they offer. As an example, the case was a real pisser for me. Most of what was available sucks (tacky, gaudy gamer-child rubbish that looks like something a digi-pimp would have), or way too small and cramped up. I wanted an open bench, not a case. They don't offer them. But, I can still enjoy tearing it apart and putting it back together when I buy the bench to replace the nice-looking case I never wanted. Maybe I can sell the case later.

 

@hmscott i m back again LOL, sorry for the wrong thread, i cannot find the thread that discuss about the new intel 8700H (6 core, 12 Threat) mobile processor for laptop,

i found this image on laptopmedia site, is this really the benchmark score for that new 8700H for mobile ?

 

It's helpful to provide the link to an item in question, as the surrounding info helps in determination

Is this it?

First benchmark of the upcoming 6-core “Coffee Lake-H” mobile CPU
From: Miroslav Bozhkov 29 August 2017 / 05:40
http://laptopmedia.com/news/first-benchmark-of-the-upcoming-6-core-coffee-lake-h-mobile-cpu/

7700HQ CPU
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-7700HQ-Notebook-Processor.187975.0.html

The 7700HQ got (GB 3 @ 32-bit) 3675 single and 13936 average (95% scaling for 4 core vs. 1 core), against the unknown CPU score (8700HQ?) (GB 3 @ 32-bit) of 4013 single core and 19129 (79% scaling for 6 core vs 1 core).

Honestly, we don't know how that CPU was tested, under what conditions, and it's way early for results in August and shipping in Feb 2018, so I wouldn't put too much stock in it.

Also, not sure how the scaling works in various GB versions, it seems oddly not consistent given the difference in scaling for the 2 CPU's, GB 3 32-bit might not give a good multi-core run against a 6c/12t CPU.

 

yeah my apologize for that, i just get image link, but i m already said it being from laptop media in the first place.

btw i think they dont using "HQ" labe in the future, "Q" label meaning for quadcore right ?
8700HH LOL ? H = mobile processor, H = Hexa Core ?

so did u mean adding 2 more cores in 7700HQ did not increase too much ? i mean for multitasking purpose ? i m holding my self to buy current version from GE63VR / DELL 7577, due this "8700HH" thing LOL"

 

It's oddly possible that Q might be H for quad vs hex, but then again, it's Intel - they didn't change the "K" suffix, or the "U" suffix, who knows if Intel will remember what "Q" is from.

Everyone else is still calling it a 8700HQ processor, googling 8700HH nothing comes up.

Yup, the scaling to multi core between 7700HQ and unknown CPU per that article says 40% improvement.

But, doing the math, multi-core score / single core score = gives an overall "single-core" score for the multi-threaded test - and for the 4 core 7700HQ it's very close to perfect scaling 94.8% while the unknown 6 core CPU score is much worse at 79.4%.

IDK, maybe that unknown CPU score is for one of the recently released ULV 8th gen CPU's? Check against new 8th gen ULV released CPU scores.

For this threads subject, the 8700k:

Spoiler

The 8700k is only 1 generation motherboard chipset CPU in whatever new z370 motherboard you get. Then to upgrade to the 8 core you'll need the z390 motherboard, and most likely that is a single generation platform too.

And, the jump to the next generation's 10nm(+,++) / 7nm / etc with Intel will all require whole new systems built as well, why would Intel change if people keep buying their stuff?

With AMD at least there is a chance for functional use of their AM4 / TR4 motherboards with new generation CPU's.

AMD also uses a + 1/2 generation stepping for sockets in the past, with AM3+, AM2+ to add new IO or features as the industry advances.

Given 8700K availability is a big question for 2017, with Xmas coming demanding higher than normal quantities to build computers, with 2018 1H being the time Intel will catch up, that's 5-6 months gap - a long time to wait doing a new build.

IDK, what to suggest... buy a pre-built system with an 8700k allocated to a custom vendor?

If you like to build your own, I'd get an AMD system, likely a 1700 OC would make the cut against the 8700k, close enough for now and you can build it now.

Or go ThreadRipper and build out there.

Tough times for DIY Intel fans, great times for DIY AMD Ryzen / ThreadRipper fans

 

The laptop 8th generation "H" CPU's aren't out till 1H 2018, and who knows how quickly makers can ramp up shipments based on CPU supply from Intel.

And, it's a new motherboard chipset, new cooling hardware / designs.

There may be lots of different laptops, there may not be enough CPU's like now with the 8700K, so there might be a slow ramp up.

Who knows at this point, probably not even Intel

 

i7-7700Hq

 

Why didn't you pick scores from the highest scoring 7700HQ in the list??

That's why I quoted the review score, at least we know they tested it stock out of the box, so I'd still go with their score, sorry it's a lower score.

7700HQ CPU - Multi-core: 13936.5 Single Core: 3675 GB 3 32-bit
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-7700HQ-Notebook-Processor.187975.0.html

 

Because Geekbench will give different scores depending on OS and if it’s 32 or 64 bits. Apple v. Apples. Not Apples vs. Oranges, bruh And highest single and multi Bench score in same screenie is better for showing scores.

 

You are off the point here. The point is how do you decide by looking at the Geekbench Browser which 7700HQ score to pick? There is a wide range, which is representative of the score to expect?

That's what matters, what test results are done at stock speeds in a Windows laptop?

There isn't enough info in the Geekbench Browser to tell, so I picked a Windows laptop review site result.

What's not Appley/Orangey about that?

 

What is stock speed on a fully locked down BGA? And tests is taken from Geekbench 3 and same OS and 32bits architecture. For the score and pict, I picked what you can expect with 7700hq. Single-core score in Geekbench can tell a lot about clocks if both have <about> same IPC and architecture. All know 6 cores vs. 4 core will give higher scores, but can't tell you much more. This is whats importent for me.

 

You're so funny when you are trying to justify posting a higher score than I posted, it's not a competition. There are a lot of 32 bit Windows scores, why pick that one??

Get at all the Windows 32 scores, sort by system, then add all the scores together and find their average, that will be something worth posting.

Otherwise the score from notebookcheck's reviews are just as valid, and lower to boot.

Besides, that wasn't the point of my interaction earlier when I first posted that score as an example, it was the scaling factor - single core vs multi-core score over the core count, which came out great @ 94.8%, whereas the unknown CPU's scaling with 6 scores using it's single core and multi-core score was poor, only 79.4%.

Your example is worse than the one I posted: 4017 14205 = 88.4% scaling, single core vs multi-core / 4 scores.

 

Hope you feel you better with more than one picked... This isn't a competition, but what to expect from 7700hq. I give a damn in average scores. Scores can be crippled by software-bloatware running in the background or what memory sticks you run. I'm sure you know this by yourself. Do what you self want with the scores bruh!! You don't have to be agree with them. And None force you to accept them. Or just take them as they are.

 

No, adding more pointless scores doesn't help

You didn't add anything by posting these additional scores, that's the point I was making, it wasn't helping clarify the situation. IDK why you thought that was helpful, adding a randomly picked score from the list of all the scores, except it was higher.

That's why I looked for a laptop review score instead of trying to pick one GB 3 result out of 10,000 GB 3 32 bit scores... there was no clear choice.

I'm just trying to understand the point / goal of those score posts? The 7700HQ and 8700HH(Q?) aren't even on topic for this thread about the 8700k. I'm trying to include you in the discussion, I'm just not getting what you want to say - just posting another 7700HQ score doesn't make sense to me... what are you trying to say?

 

Probably pointless scores for you. I expect more than you look into the thread. The reason posting the single-core scores from Geekbench 3 (equal benchmark, OS and 32-bits architecture) was showing the single core results from 7700hq wasn’t far from what was shown from the 8 gen locked down BGA. You can just ignore it, if ain’t of interest for you. If you think scores from Notebookcheck is of better value than what I showed from Geekbench own ranking list , that’s fine for me

 

Yeah, but at least the Notebookcheck score is known to have been done at stock, we can't tell what conditions were for any one of those individual scores in the Geekbrowser, there isn't enough info.

I don't think anyone else understands your point either. Just posting random scores from that list with no explanation leaves us hanging, we don't know why you did it or what you are trying to say.

The point wasn't finding the optimal 7700HQ score, the goal was to find out what the unknown processor was from the 8th generation CPU's, and he was asking if I thought it was the 8700HH(Q?), I picked a known stock score for the 7700HQ to do a quick comparison - it wasn't supposed to be definitive, and it didn't matter if the 8th gen was faster or not, it was just a rough comparison.

The article he quoted from was August 2017, so I think it wasn't an H score even though it said so, because I don't think the score is high enough, but we won't know until the H 8th gen CPU's release 1H18. I think it was another 8th gen, maybe one that's now already out.

So the conversation was really over at that point.

Following up with a slightly higher 7700HQ score didn't add to what was being discussed. That's why I was asking what your point was in posting them.

 

https://valid.x86.fr/r32uke godlike 8700K. OP claims 1.32v under a Kraken X62.

 

Nice! Looking forward to some of that action for myself. Did CPU-Z identify your motherboard incorrectly? I have the Asus ROG MAXIMUS X HERO (WI-FI AC) on order. Went with 360mm radiator to keep the overclocked CPU temps as low as possible until I can afford a water chiller.

 

CPU-Z does report my mainboard correctly. I should have just gone with the Maximus X Hero myself for max possible overclocks. The Strix-E works great, but can't help but wonder if I could get better results on the Maximus board.