Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake

I don't have any argument with any of that. It's sound conservative advice for the masses just like "service your car according to what the manual tells you" is for non car people

But this is an enthusiast notebook forum, where else are enthusiasts gonna enthuse?

If people want to buy a BGAbook ... its their money ... but it's got its compromises like everything does, and additionally I dislike the ethics of the soldered approach and how it's taken over the majority of the market. BGA are objectively inferior performance and value for the buyer, and offer benefits only to the manufacturer. Intel's anti-consumer mobile CPU strategy is to sell worse quality dies for higher prices to OEMs. They're designed to be less repairable and thus throwaway. They inflate TCO, decrease serviceable lifetime and the window of economic repair, restrict access to independent repair, and are anti-enthusiast, all with benefits only to the financial position of the manufacturer. They contain design tradeoffs that tend too far towards aesthetics while being marketed in the same "performance" segment as models that don't, and then obscure in firmware the deliberate containment mechanisms to stop those design choices manifesting as catastrophic failures (to the detriment of everyday performance). TL;DR it stinks. Clevo still stink, but at least some of their models stink a whole lot less than the majority.


(For the record I bought this DM3 for well under US$2000 a little over a year old and still under warranty, after selling the excess RAM and storage options... and my mod allows it to draw over 500W from the wall and still be almost completely silent just like a watercooled desktop... benchmarking is not my thing, it's a side issue to me, being able to get up there and trade blows on the leaderboards is nice but playing 4K games without turbines within 2 feet from my ears is what I did it all for, while retaining portability; and yes, I accepted a lot of risk and took my time researching and learning the necessary cutting/burning/melting/shaping man-skills to get to this point. But... enthusiast...)

 

Acer Helios 300 2018 Gaming Benchmarks - 15 Games Tested!
Jarrod'sTech
Published on Sep 4, 2018
The Acer Predator Helios 300 is a well priced gaming laptop with great specs, my unit has an Intel i7-8750H CPU and Nvidia 1060 6GB graphics, so let’s get into the benchmarks see how well it performs in 15 different games!

Spoiler

I’m still working on the full review of the Acer Predator Helios 300 gaming laptop, subscribe so you don’t miss it!

Games tested:
Overwatch
Fortnite
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive (CS:GO)
Dota 2
PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds (PUBG)
Assassin's Creed Origins
Shadow of War
Battlefield 1
The Witcher 3
Watch Dogs 2
Rise of the Tomb Raider
Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon
Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six Siege
Far Cry 5
DOOM

 

A bit off topic, but how does the 8700T hold up compared to the regular 8700? I've searched for reviews but can't find any on the big sites.

Edit: in gaming it holds up quite well! https://www.computerbase.de/2018-06...2/#diagramm-assassins-creed-origins-1920-1080

 

Review of Alienware 17 R5 (i7-8750H - GTX 1070)Notebookcheck.com

processor
Intel's Core i7-8750H is currently the most popular CPU when it comes to gaming laptops. The six-core chip accommodates 9 MB of L3 cache and can process up to 12 threads in parallel via hyper-threading.


The base clock is 2.2 GHz, with turbo boost (= automatic overclocking) up to 4.1 GHz are possible. However, the Core i7-8750H only achieves this value in some single-core scenarios. The utilization of all cores is concluded much earlier, as evidenced by our Cinebench loop. Already in the course of the first round, the clock drops from 3.9 to 2.9 GHz - somewhat disappointing for a high-end notebook.



Of course the 6 core i7-8750H in Alienware 17R5 is able to run with ok Cpu temp in the test as long Dell have shrinked on the Power limits + use the same Heatsink as for the unlocked i9-8950Hk. Cpu power consumption don't touch above 47w.

But the 6 core i7-8750H in the much cheaper and smaller Dell XPS models make short process in Cinebench R15 vs. same 6 core processor in the bigger Alienware 17R5. Beat it with near 260 point higher score

Accordingly, the Alienware 17 R5 often falls behind the competition in the benchmark course. As you can see from the comparison table, the opponents in the multi-core test of the Cinebench R15 and R11.5 are sometimes more than 10% faster.

Conclusion

There is also light and shadow on the optional QHD display, which is very bright and has a short reaction time, but suffers from a moderate black level and limited viewing angles. In addition, the turbo deployment of the CPU could be better. With multi-core load the Core i7-8750H uses its overclocking only conditionally.

All in all, it is still enough for a place in our gaming top-10 . The former dominance of Alienware laptops, however, is broken.

 

No point to call out laptop manufacturers for their ******** CPU throttling. As you can see… If this is to be true it will only be worse before it will be any better!!


A thinner Dell XPS 15 notebook could arrive in 2019
Alienwares + XPS lines General Manger Frank Azor already revealed that the Dell XPS 15 9570 will not get any updates by the end of the year. However, when asked about a thinner model, he simply said that he can't comment on announced products and his answer makes us believe that such an update is, in fact, going to arrive the next year.

 

Review of HP Pavilion Gaming 15t (i7-8750H - GTX 1060) Notebookcheck.net
Finally, we can see a 6 core Intel Core i7-8750H that is able to runs stable on all 6 cores in Cinebench R15 loop... Aka no clock drops after the first round of Cinebench R15 The scores are low but at least you get stable scores (850-860cb).

Processor
The Intel Core i7-8750H is the go-to CPU for most gaming laptops. The hexacore chip is a welcome replacement for last year's Core i7-7700HQ, which had only four cores. Typically, the 50% higher core count translates to about 50% performance in multi-threaded testing. Curiously, the Pavilion Gaming 15t doesn't come close to this average, beating the 7700HQ by a mere 18%. Heavy CPU throttling is the likely culprit, as multiple runs confirm these findings. While the CPU is stable over our Cinebench R15 loop, performance stays locked between 845 cb and 860 cb, well below the 1050+ cb the 8750H typically hits. In this regard, the HP Pavilion Gaming 15t's 8750H is more akin to the Core i5-8300H. Despite the extra cost of the Core i7, there seems to be no benefit.


At least some sorts of 4 screw attacment for the cpu. Not a pure TRIPOD


Stress Test
Stress testing confirms our initial suspicions of CPU throttling. Running Prime95 for an hour sees the CPU average 3.1 GHz, which is not atypical compared to other Core i7-8750H machines. Temperatures average 85° C across the package. Furmark sees similar results for the GPU; the GTX 1060 Max-Q runs at a lower but still reasonable clock speed (~1000 MHz), and temperatures remain controlled at 82° C. The trouble begins when both the CPU and GPU are under load. Running Prime95 and Furmark together causes both chips to pull back even further. Despite this throttling, temperatures average just shy of 95° C, which suggests that the system is struggling to keep heat under control and is forced to throttle its components.

Verdicts
The HP Pavilion Gaming 15t is a bit of a mixed bag. While it succeeds in bringing some nice features to the mid-range gaming laptop space, it falls short in other regards. For instance, 144 Hz display options are almost unheard of in this price range and give the Pavilion Gaming 15t a serious edge over its rivals. On the flip side, the weak CPU performance and thermal throttling work against the notebook

 

The throttlebooks scored better than this......yuck. My 2600k @ 4.8 ghz scores better than this.....

 

Wtaf did I just read; "Hooray, no performance uplift from turboboost"?

 

At least you get stable and consistent results in Cpu rendering

 

Ha, yeah, I get the joke you're making about the stable performance! It's a real problem for most notebooks and these new 6 core Intel chips, I'd like to see manufacturers not cheaping out on cooling solutions, afterall how much does it cost for a few extra heat pipes, better fans, and more precise heatsink mounting systems combined with tighter tolerances on things like flatness of heatsinks. I wonder how much of the production cost is directly contributable to the cooling solution?

 

850 points on an 8750H? That's terrible. A comparison:

 

I highly doubt that you've managed to get these scores with PL1 set to 45 W.

 

Won't help much if the laptop manufacturers continue shrink down the chassis thickness so hard that the heatsink grills has to be smaller and can't get rid of the heat build up. And the thinner chassis you design/create the smaller the fans has to be. Will be more like the domino effect.

 

Yeah, that's gonna be a significant contributor too!

 

I believe PL1 is set to 60W on the Xeon E-2176M inside the Dell Precision 7530

 

Metabox PA70ES-G Gaming Laptop Review and Benchmarks

 

@Mr. Fox You may like Azor and Alienwares new direction... From thin to even thinner. When will they beat Apple?


Hands on with Alienware m15: The thinnest 15-inch Alienware laptop ever made Pcworld.com


Alienware put its big-boned laptops on a Biggest Loser diet, and the transformation is stunning AWFUL!

Alienware’s beefy gaming laptops have never been known to be thin, but that’s about to change. The new Alienware m15 introduced Thursday is a whopping 17 percent thinner and 30 percent smaller than the current 15-inch Alienware laptop.

See also... https://www.notebookcheck.net/Bette...els-and-GTX-1070-Max-Q-graphics.320842.0.html

And of course new TRIPOD!


Other omissions from the Alienware m15 when compared to the Alienware 15 R4 include G-Sync, Core i9, and GTX 1080 options. Dell says future SKUs may include these options with the potential for TRIPOD vapor chamber cooling to aid in heat dissipation.

 

They have the same problems as their partner in crime, Micro$loth, including but not limited to:

• Poor leadership
• Flawed definition of excellence
• Engineering incompetence
• General stupidity
• Contempt for customers
• False sense of accomplishment
• Inability to recognize and learn from mistakes

 

Imagine how a possible unlocked i9 BGA will perform in this chassis(they say so). Maybe Azor will put the 5.0GHz moniker on this as well

From the link... “Other omissions from the Alienware m15 when compared to the Alienware 15 R4 include G-Sync, Core i9, and GTX 1080 options. Dell says future SKUs may include these options with the potential for TRIPOD vapor chamber cooling to aid in heat dissipation“.

 

Any bets it's single core turbo "up to 5.0ghz" which lasts about a second before Thermal Marketing Boost cuts off above 50C

As meaningless as claiming humans can move without assistance at "up to 195km/hr". Technically its true... plummeting to earth in freefall from 10000ft.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/TUM_APISAK/status/1051668308976529408

 

12MHz Maximum Turbo Boost, LOOL

 

Wow 8 -cores coming to laptop CPUs as well? Let's see how they cool these and how they perform.

 

To me that looks like an Alienware desktop motherboard report...

Intel Core i9-9900k 8c/16t, i7-9700K 8c/8t, i7-9600k 6c/6t 2nd Gen Coffee Lake CPU's + Z390
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...e-lake-cpus-z390.811225/page-69#post-10811172

That thread will be a better place to discuss the 9900k in any form, while this thread is specifically about the 8th gen laptop BGA CPU's:

Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake

 

Idk....it says Coffee Lake "H" normally H models are for laptops such as the i7-8750H/8850H/8950H. So it would make sense if it's the successor to these current gen H laptop CPUs.

 

It also says 9900k with the correct technical details to match the 9900k that actually has been announced, released and physically exists.

This isn't the first time someone has posted an "Alienware" benchmark thinking it was for a laptop, when it is clearly a desktop motherboard.

 

I hope you realize that picture has two separate systems being compared and I am referring to the one on the left. Which clearly isn't being recognized as 9900K nor does it have the correct clock speeds. it lines up more towards a laptop CPU. Whether it is or is not, we won't know. But I wouldn't be surprised if Intel tries to release a 8-core mobile CPU as well in the future.

As for the one on the right with a 9900K, that is definitely an Alienware desktop with 9900K, probably the Aurora.

 

Duh, I see it now.

What is the other 8c/16t H CPU listing supposed to be? Links to rumor / descriptions?

The Coffee Lake H CPU's only go up to 6c/12t:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...sors-and-chipsets/coffee-lake-h/overview.html

The Coffee Lake R CPU's like the 9900k do go up to 8c/16t:
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/cores/coffee_lake_r

I haven't seen any rumors for slotting 9th generation mobile CPU's yet...

 

I think we just saw the first...

Coffeelake-R dies that fail top desktop bins cut down to 45W (as per previous generations)? Allowing for 2.1 to be a lower base clock than what final silicon will be (early CFL-R's were 3.1 base) and how quads @ base clock of 1.8/1.9 are 15W in the Whiskey Lakes, I think it broadly adds up

 

And Alienware follow their trend as usual. TRIPOD and HOT Not sure if the well known Cpu 3 screws attacment swapped to the GPU part make it so much better. Seems Azor's engineers really hate use of more than 7 screws for the (Unified) heatsink.
Alienware m15 Gaming Laptop Review: Leaner and Meaner Tomshardware.com


According to HWInfo, the CPU ran at an average of 3.4GHz (it typically ran closer to 3.9GHz but suffered from some hiccups and drops below base clock before becoming steady again). The average CPU temperature was 84.7 degrees Celsius (184.5 degrees Fahrenheit).

Heat
Like most gaming machines, the Alienware m15 heats up while you play. When I played Call of Duty: Black Ops 4, the bottom of the laptop by the vent hit 62 degrees Celsius (144 degrees Fahrenheit). That's hotter than most gaming notebooks that I’ve tested.


The touchpad reached 28 degrees Celsius (82.4 degrees Fahrenheit), and the center of the keyboard between the G and H keys hit 47 degrees Celsius (116 degrees Fahrenheit).


The big todays Q is... Is this a cherry pick unit and all the rest will run hotter than this? Maybe Invest in a pair of "gaming" gloves

 

More like welding or oven gloves. 50C is getting uncomfortably hot to touch.

 

SICK ASUS G703GI LAPTOP LIQUID NITROGEN REVIEW / UNBOXING
(i-9 8950H)
DrWeez
Published on Sep 2, 2018
It's been a while that I wanted to do this - and thanks to ASUS it's been possible. The guys at ROG South Africa gave me the permission to dismantle their latest core i9 (unlocked) laptop and overclock it under liquid nitrogen.

It's impressive what this laptop can do - it took the two PSUs and a close to 0 degree C temperature to max out it's components and hit the physical / digital limits set by the manufacturers on how far I could push the components. (voltage and current limitations)

That being said, I could get in average a good +10% performance thanks to the improved cooling from stock to nitrogen. Pretty cool! Totally impractical, but cool nonetheless.

 

What a disappointment, I was expecting to see huge scores and to not even break 1700 cb r15 is frankly pathetic for LN2. An interesting experiment that was rendered pointless by a lack of unlocked non-throttling firmware.

 

MSI GT75 Titan bios already supports 8 core BGA cancer chips.

 

They might slap an 9900K LGA chip just to get everyone's attention and quoting World's First LGA and BGA combination.

 

And Dell continue push out overheating throttling mess. Aka their latest +$3600 high end workstations gets exactly same treatments as their gaming brand The Alienwares. A useless cooling.
Test Dell Precision 7530 (i9-8950HK - Quadro P3200) Workstation


Almost same Cinebench R15 score as the Alienware's with same i9-8950Hk.

Processor
The Core i9-8950HK in our Precision is just 3% faster than the i7-8750H , but costs $ 300 more. Due to the high CPU temperatures, the performance advantages of the i9-8950HK are minimal at best. The Core i9 is by no means a slow processor and still about 50% faster than the i5-8300H , but the price-performance ratio is very poor in this case. The Xeon E-2176M is similar and whoever comes from last year's Xeon E3-1535M can still look forward to a 40% increase in performance.
With our Cinebench multi-loop we check how long the system can use the Turbo Boost. The initial result of 1,192 points drops to 1,124 points in the course of the test, which is a drop of just 6%. The average value for the i9-8950HK in our database is 1,227 points, so the Precision 7530 can not fully exploit the performance potential of the Core i9. Our stress test below confirms this assessment.

Conclusion
The Precision 7530 is a worthwhile upgrade over the old Precision 7510. The case is smaller without compromising on stability. There are also significantly faster processors and graphics cards. With the optional WWAN module, it also offers an advantage over some competitors.
However, there are also some weaknesses due to the processor and the ports. The Core i9 gets way too warm and the system can not exhaust the high Turbo Boost potential. In the end, the performance is only slightly higher than the cheaper Core i7-8750H , which we would also recommend. As Dell claims to be "the fastest and first VR-based 15-inch mobile workstation," we're a little disappointed. Since some grainy matte 4K panel and the loud fan at high computational load cloud the otherwise decent overall impression as well.

 

So far there are no names / sku's for the 9th gen laptops, so until there are I'll post the 9th gen laptop speculation here, as it's kind of a choice to buy 8th gen now or 9th gen later, hopefully these speculations will be helpful to someone trying to decide to buy now or wait till 9th gen H(?) laptop CPU's launch.

Since the 9th gen LGA laptop's are sucking wind to cool the 9900k even in the highest end LGA laptop, and most 8th gen laptop models power / thermal throttle with 6c/12t already, it seems ludicrous to try to fit an 8c/16t 9th gen CPU into these thin and light laptops, it's just going to be a throttle-fest during most any useful load.

Of course we don't know that for sure, and it's possible BGA / LGA laptops will be modified to actually fully power and cool an OC'd 8c/16t CPU from Intel, but I wouldn't count on it.

Probably best at this point to wait for AMD to put some nice 7nm mobile CPU / GPU / APU products into the pipeline and get a nice new AMD laptop for your next gaming laptop. Or, wait for Intel to delivery their 10nm laptop products. I wonder which will happen first?

Intel 8th / 9th Gen Gaming Laptops - Buy Now or Wait?
Jarrod'sTech
Published on Nov 7, 2018
Intel recently launched their new 9th generation of CPUs for the desktop, so when will these be coming to laptops? If you’re looking to buy a new gaming laptop is it worth waiting for these new processors or should you buy a laptop now? In this video I’ll give you my thoughts and opinions on this topic based on the information currently available. I'll be doing a lot of benchmarks and comparisons with the 9th gen laptops once they're out, so subscribe if you want to see those!


Oh yeah, and the next gen Nvidia GPU's will be BSOD'ing in laptops sometime around May next year, so another fun prospect to "wait for".

Wait, did I miss something or are there still no shipping games with RTX support?

 

Maybe we can say Hello to m17 as well? Yeah, Frank Azor and Alienware have switched/changed target. From worse to even more worse.

Want one when it comes? @Mr. Fox @Ultra Male @Ashtrix @Falkentyne @Vistar Shook @Arrrrbol + all other I haven't mentioned here. Remember the benefits with Hybrid Power Design (adopded from MSI). + the new and even thinner design. Aka design before functionality!

Alienware 15 R3/15 R4/17 R4/17 R5/M15/M17 performance issue or battery drain while AC adapter is connected dell.com/support

 

What a ****ing joke.
The system starts using the battery FAR BELOW what the AC power limit is.
On the MSI GT73, this starts at 160W when a GTX 1070 is detected as installed, and at 180W when a GTX 1080 is installed. There isn't any actual real drain at 180W, just a small 'drop' in battery voltage, which the EC shows as the battery being accessed.

 

I'm sure Azor + Alienware's team of engineers enjoy the i9-8950Hk ranking in Notebookcheck.net

Lower or better say crippled Cpu clock speed will prolong the battery life (less power drain from the battery)

 

I normally do not visit these threads, but I need to be clear in case there is any question about what I want.

I want something when I see this, but it is not the laptop. I want to projectile vomit when I see emasculated garbage like this.

The scores really say enough without any need for comment. I am not calling out a specific brand because the numbers do that for us. I will say that the one at the top of the list isn't good enough, so what we see is varying degrees of trash. Some junkbooks perform better than other junkbooks, but they're all junkbooks.

Some people will see this kind of compelling information and still buy it on purpose. Some will justify it on the basis of warranty, build quality, cultural identification, or just because they think it looks nice. We wish them great happiness with their decision. But, some will not. And, it's still worth showing for the sake of those that see the results and change their mind.

I am pretty sure as long as the money keeps flowing the manufacturer does not care what the numbers show. They won't care about that unless or until it hurts their bottom line. Showing the numbers in many places increases the possibility that it will hurt their bottom line, so thanks for doing the right thing.

 

Does the battery hybrid crap still kick in if you use a higher wattage PSU? Like using 240w on a 180w system?

Curious if they went full MSI on this one. I think those systems doesn't even care which PSU you are using.

 

Not sure about Alienware as they use some weird thing on some systems to detect which PSU is being used.
On MSI it doesn't matter what PSU you use. The hybrid power cap is controlled by a register in the EC which is set at power on time, by the Bios. This register can be changed in windows to trick a higher power ID to being set.

This register also controls CPU detection, which causes a bug on LGA MSI systems, where the programmed value isn't recognized as a valid CPU, because the EC is designed for BGA systems, not LGA. An unrecognized CPU will override Bios Power Limit 1/2 settings and enforce base TDP at all times. There is no way to avoid this if this happens, except by using IMON SLOPE/IMON OFFSET tweaks.

Power draw past 160W/180W (GTX 1070 / GTX 1080) will override Bios CPU Power limit settings and enforce base TDP or even lower. Video card cannot be throttled.

 

sounds great on paper, works like poo. If only it worked as intended. Have you trust in Mr. Azor to bring back the old glory days of socketed Alienware taptops?

 

If the Alienware 18 cancerbook was an example, it will only benefit from a PSU that has a max capacity of whatever denomination they conclude, in their infinite wisdom, to be adequate. Knowing how they operate based on their historical behavior, I suspect using a higher capacity AC adapter won't change anything. They don't want anyone to be able to use their products in a manner that is inconsistent with what they deem to be in their own best interests as the seller. This allows them to maintain ownership of the product (and its buyer) indefinitely.

 

You should keep in mind that Alienwares Dell's amazing overclock app probably talks with the Hybrid Power Design in firmware. As you know... All roads lead to Rome

Sounds great on paper and "if" worked as intended? You kidding with me bruh? If this <mess> have worked "as" intended it would still be a awful tragic design!

PS. Don't connect any external Gaming mouse + Gaming keyboard + Headset if you own an newer Alienware laptops or you will encounter throttling outside the more normal. Use only the trackpad, keyboard, speakers and microphone who follow the notebook

 

Maybe AW should start installing AMD CPUs with less performance because Intel CPU's potential is wasted due to insufficient cooling and compactness of the ultraportable device that gives 18hrs of battery life.

 

Or just solder on the low power quad-core Kaby Lake Refresh processors

 

That's really harsh from Papusan camp. $4000 on KBL-R is just tooooo expensive....

 

I think you have accidentally placed the decimal point one digit too far to the right. But, it needs to move three digits to the left to represent appropriate value for BGA excrement.