Where Is Intel's Z390? It's NOT At Computex...
Hardware Unboxed
Published on Jun 7, 2018
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According to the newest rumor, which is still all we have on the new Z390 and related CPU's, there will be several new model numbers, not just the 8c/16t CPU, and it looks like I'll need to ask for a thread title change.
Exclusive: Intel Core i9 Coming To Z390 Mainstream Platform, Core i9-9900K Flagship And Other Parts Names Leaked
By Usman Pirzada, Jun 27, 2018
https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-coming-to-z390-mainstream-platform-core-i9-9900k-flagship/
"Intel will be updating its mainstream platform very soon and I have some new information about the Z390 chipset. First is a branding unveil: Intel’s Core i9 naming schema is finally coming to mainstream desktop processors. We haven’t heard of a Core i3 part yet and that is an interesting development which could mean a couple of things.
Intel Z390 platform part names leaked: Intel Core i9-9900K flagship to lead the lineup
So the entire discussion about Z370 and Z390 can now be put to rest. It will be called the Intel Z390 chipset and not the Z370 chipset. The second big unveil is that Intel is bringing its i9 branding to the mainstream desktop platform. This is a very interesting move from intel because the company has already rolled out an i9 branded part on the mobility side as the Core i9-8950HK.
Without further ado, here is the final nomenclature scheme of the updated Z390 mainstream lineup:
- Intel Core i9-9900K (est: 8 core / 16 thread)
- Intel Core i7-9700K (est: 6 core / 12 thread)
- Intel Core i5-9600K (est: 6 core / 6 thread)
It would also mean that the i7 and i5 parts are going to be 6-core / 12 threads and 6 core / 6 threads (no HT) parts respectively which can go head to head against AMDs offerings and will represent the first time that Intel’s mainstream lineup did not have a quad core. This is also where the case of the missing Core i3 comes in. We did not see that part listed in the documents which could mean either of two things: either the company is dropping the i3 branding from the mainstream listing for now (unlikely) or it will be coming under a staggered launch later on.
It does not make financial sense to not sell quad core chips since yield theory would make these one of the more lucrative options for Intel. The Intel Z390 PCH block diagram has been provided in the product brief which shows two very interesting things. The Intel Z390 chipset isn’t a huge leap over the Z370 chipset, something that we had already mentioned in the previous articles related to the Z390. Secondly, the chipset has brought the same featureset that was recently launched on the entry level boards but not given on the Z370 boards that launched last year.
These new features are already available on the mainstream motherboards (excluding the Z370 chipset) and include:
- Intel Wireless-AC 802.11 AC and Bluetooth 5.0
- Intel Wireless-AC Adapter
- Up To 6 x USB 3.1 Gen 2 Ports
On the Z370 motherboards, manufacturers who want to provide these features have to go with third-party controllers which raises the costs. The Z390 chipset motherboards will have solutions that will make use of the chipset provided the feature set to save costs while high-end boards can still opt for third-party controllers for delivering better capabilities."Last edited: Jun 29, 2018 -
Intel officially confirms its 9th generation Intel Coffee Lake S processors
JOHN PAPADOPOULOS, JULY 5, 2018
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/inte...th-generation-intel-coffee-lake-s-processors/
"Intel is currently working on a brand new CPUs that will most likely release in the next few months. According to official documents, Intel’s 9th generation Core series will utilize the Coffee Lake architecture, and Intel has already revealed the new i5 and i3 CPUs.
These brand new 9th generation Core processors are: Core i5-9600(K), Core i5-9500(T), Core i5-9400, Core i3-9100 and Core i3-9000. Core i5-9600(K), Core i5-9500(T), Core i5-9400 will feature six CPU cores and will support six threads, whereas Core i3-9100 and Core i3-9000 will feature four CPU cores and will support four threads.
It is rumoured that Intel is also working on a brand new eight-core CPU for consumers that will replace the 8700K and might be called Core i7 9700K. However, and as we can see, this CPU has not been listed yet.
Anyway, it will be exciting to see a new CPU from Intel, so stay tuned for more!Thanks Videocardz "
Intel officially confirms Core 9000 series based on Coffee Lake S
Published: 3rd Jul 2018, 12:30 GMT
https://videocardz.com/76709/intel-officially-confirms-core-9000-series-based-on-coffee-lake-s
Intel reveals 9000 series Coffee Lake S specifications
Published: 3rd Jul 2018, 15:16 GMT
https://videocardz.com/76720/intel-reveals-9000-series-coffee-lake-s-specifications -
What gives?
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Other rumors suggest i9 naming for the top CPU's, to work on the z390 - no word on backwards compatibility.
These i9's aren't the same i9's as on the x299 socket 2066 platform, these are rumored for socket 1151, z390.Georgel likes this. -
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IDK how this low yield (large monolithic silicon die) 8 core part is going to do at 14nm at high wattage in inexpensive consumer motherboards. It's tough enough on the 2066 high end boards to power the 8+ core parts.
Those x299 i9's are low production volume CPUs - compared to 1151 CPU's, so Intel's low yield on those x299 parts was doable with lower production requirements, but in the high volume 1151 consumer CPU market it's questionable how well 14nm will yield 8c/16t CPUs in high volume.
It's going to be tough for Intel to keep the new i9 8c/16t prices down near AMD 8c/16t - 16c/32t - 24c/48t and 32c/64t consumer CPU's.
Even if the i9 8c/16t 1151 socket CPU performs well, and only costs a bit more than the 8c/16t AMD CPU's, AMD has a lot more headroom in core count available, people can just bump up the core count and get a better solution.
Game FPS is already so high, even if the AMD 8c/16t CPU puts out less FPS than the new i9 8c/16t, it won't matter in day to day use - the extra frames will end up on the floor, lopped off by Freesync, Gsync, RTSS frame limiting syncing to display refresh.
I wonder when Intel is going to be able to release the i9 8c/16t -like the i7 6c/12t releasing too early?, and how long will it take to get the shipping quantities up to demand, and keep it there?
The 6c/12t took a long time to make it to market in quantities, Intel had to add costly new production capacity, and for 8c/16t it's likely gonna cost a lot of $ for Intel to deliver in volume @ 14nm.
I sure hope Intel has a plan B for 10nm, that it can kick in soon, and that it's isn't to hang around on 14nm indefinately.Last edited: Jul 8, 2018Georgel likes this. -
All signs now pointing towards 8 core CFL chip being compatible with Z370!
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/8ylcms/z370_to_support_the_new_generation_of_cpus/?sort=new
https://i.imgur.com/SsRLEAy.png -- Microcode 906ec in the updated BIOS released, even for my Z370-E.
906ec is the 8 Core CFL chip. https://benchlife.info/coffee-lake-...ecdotes-intel-may-be-brewing-8-core-products/jaybee83, hmscott, Papusan and 1 other person like this. -
Those are good news, can't wait to see it in action
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7700K *hot* + 50% more hot + 33% more hot = 88% hotter 9700k?
Maybe those new process improvements on 14nm+++ will help mitigate the thermals...Georgel likes this. -
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That's well above 95w CPU package power.
TDP ratings with Intel aren't real. AMD's aren't either, but at least AMD give you a heads up that it has increased.
Doubling cores/threads from 4c/8t to 8c/16t is going to draw more power and put out more heat. More cores putting out same work per core is going to draw more power and put out more heat.
Motherboards designed to deliver more power are going to put out more heat from their VRM's, and the CPU's are going to draw more power and put out more heat, because they are going from 4c/8t to 8c/16t on the same process, 14nm.
Intel is a stuck on 14nm process. Intel is going to keep increasing heat by staying on the same process while increasing core / thread count. Without the ability to move to 10nm as planned, Intel is stuck. Either increase power draw or reduce clocks when adding more cores.
AMD is moving forward with power benefits going to 12nm and 7nm ahead of Intel. AMD is still fighting the same problems, but solving them by being able to do a process changes, and innovating architectural changes from monolithic dies to integrating smaller dies which have better yields allowing for better pricing.
Intel - Going Nowhere, Fast.
It will be interesting to see how Intel works their way out of the corner they have painted themselves into in the short and long term.
Interposers, Chiplets and...ButterDonuts?
Are Chiplets and Interposers Commercially Viable?
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https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/TUF-B360M-E-GAMING/HelpDesk_BIOS/
Asus latest BIOS on this board clearly states support for upcoming 9th Gen! With this and the microcode support for the 8 core CFL, I think we can safely assume Z370 will be fully compatible.hmscott likes this. -
Just like the new AMD x399 boards built to deliver full safe power deliver for 2x the cores, going from 180w to 250w ThreadRippers, Intel's added cores need more power delivery - whether Intel advertises it in increased TDP ratings or not, if you Turbo all core OC past base clock you'll need a lot more power.Last edited: Jul 15, 2018Georgel likes this. -
Intel 9th Gen Core 9000 Series Coffee Lake S Processor Specs Confirmed
by Brandon Hill — Wednesday, July 04, 2018
https://hothardware.com/news/intel-9th-gen-core-9000-series-coffee-lake-s-processora
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Unfortunately, we still don't have any specs or confirmation of the 9th generation Core i7 and Core i9 parts, although it's widely expected that a Core i7-9700K (6 cores/12 threads) and a Core i9-9900K (8 cores/16 threads) will be announced."
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http://blog.livedoor.jp/nichepcgamer/archives/1072042015.html
8 Core Coffee Lake i9 9900K spotted! $420, not at all a bad price for a chip that is surely to be the consumer 8 core king. Latest rumors are an Aug 1 launch and will work on both Z370 and Z390.hmscott likes this. -
http://www.coolaler.com/threads/intel-core-i9-9900k_i7-9700k_i5-9600k.351755/
i9 8/16 threads with reported 5.0Ghz out of box.
i7 8/8 threads with 4.9Ghz out of box
i5 6/6 threads with 4.6Ghz out of box.
If that i9 is 5.0Ghz out of box, and the rumors of 5.5Ghz overclocks are true, AMD is definitely going to be hurting. 7nm or not, they won't touch those clocks or single threaded performance.
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Falkentyne Notebook Prophet
Looks like I found my next CPU !
Might buy newest stock for highest clocks even though i have nothing to install it in....
I'm glad I didn't jump on the 8086K SCAMWAGON !!!Firefox@yami and hmscott like this. -
Intel Core i9-9900K, i7-9700K, i5-9600K specifications also exposed
by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 07/24/2018 08:25 AM | source: coolaler | 50 comment(s)
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/in...700ki5-9600k-specifications-also-exposed.html
"A little while ago we reported that Intel is to release three new three CPU SKUs. An 8-core, 16-thread CPU (Core i9 9900K); a 6c/12t one (Core i7 9700K) and a 6c/6t part (Core i5 9600K ).
The processors all will be a series 9000 model and based on Coffee Lake architecture. Asia based website coolaler now adds some juicy details to these processors. We're looking at only mild tweaks.
- The Core i9-9900K is an 8-core 16 thread with a base clock of 3.6GHz, a Boost of up to 5GHz, a cache memory of 16MB, a TDP of 95W, and an 8-core maximum acceleration clock of 4.7GHz.
- The Core i7-9700K is an 8-core 8 thread. It does not support HT. The base clock is 3.6GHz, Boost is up to 4.9GHz, the cache memory is 12MB, TDP 95W, and the 8-core maximum acceleration clock can reach 4.6GHz.
- Core i5-9600K is a 6-core 6 thread, with the same base clock as 3.7GHz, Boost up to 4.6GHz, cache memory of 9MB, TDP 95W, and 6 core maximum acceleration clocks up to 4.3GHz.
A little cleaner chart from WCCF:
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My Opinion On The Intel i9 9900K, i7 9700K, i5 9600K & More
Tech Showdown
Published on Jul 24, 2018
Today we look over and compare Intel's 9th Gen CPU line up with the 8th Gen line up and see if Z390 & the new 9000 Series is worth it.
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I still can't find a resource for this, but is 9900K supposed to fit in a typical 8700K socket?
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There have been BIOS updates supporting new CPU's on old z370 motherboards, but I don't think any of them gave CPU model number specifics (anyone, links?), so we don't know if the z390 is the only 8c/16t host - better VRM power and cooling at least.
Intel is against the ropes in so many ways lately, they'd be blind to their plight to force a motherboard upgrade for their new Ryzen 2 contender CPU's, so I'm assuming at least some of the new socket 1151 CPU's will work on the z370.Georgel likes this. -
Edit. What we have sen so far is probably moret than just rumors...
Intel Ditching Hyper-Threading With New Core i7-9700k Coffee Lake Processor – Spotted In Sisoft Sandra Benchmark
A very interesting Sisoft Sandra entry (via TUM APISAK) confirms something that had long been suspected over the past few weeks – Intel is going to be ditching hyper-threading for its i7 parts in the upcoming Coffee Lake processors. This is now going to be a feature limited to the i9 branding, led by the flagship Core i9-9900k whose existence I exclusively revealed almost a month ago.Last edited: Jul 25, 2018 -
There is no way that the i9 9900K is going to hit 4.7 GHz on all 8 cores at anything less than 130 W meaning it will be very difficult to cool well on air. It might even pull 150 W at 4.7 GHz when running prime95. Take a look at the core i7 7820X which has a TDP of 140 W and is clocked lower than the i9 9900K.
I really don't like Intel's practice of disabling hyper threading in order to differentiate between different product segments (e.g. i5 & i7). It leads to absurd scenarios like where the i5 7300HQ (a 45W processor with no HT) is slower than the 15W i7 8750U despite the U series processor consuming 3x (!) less power purely because the i7 8750U has HT enabled. Why can't Intel follow scheme along the lines of this: i7 - 8C16T, i5 - 6C12T, i3 - 4C8Thmscott likes this. -
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OpenBSD Disables Intel Hyper-Threading to Prevent Spectre-Class Attacks
June 19, 2018Swati Khandelwal
https://thehackernews.com/2018/06/openbsd-hyper-threading.html
There has been a long history questioning the power draw vs additional performance from HT - with some applications showing less performance with HT enabled.
I used to run without HT to reduce power and heat load to improve OC headroom, and I didn't miss the pseudo threads.
There might be a good reason Intel is doing the 8c/8t and 6c/6t CPU's, not just for performance differentiation.Last edited: Jul 26, 2018Georgel likes this. -
I've gotten by with huge air cooling for a long time, Peltier assisted in some builds.
If / when I must move to liquid cooling, I'll be looking at non-conductive liquids, and yes I know those eventually become semi-conductive - but it's better than water to start.
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Intel has missed the boat - that has become it's 10nm Titanic Disaster.
Even worse, Intel needs to design a new architecture CPU before I'll consider investing in their CPU's, even if they did make it to 10nm on time.
Unfortunately, more cores, higher clocks, even on 7nm is going to run hot enough to need extraordinary cooling at full all core OC, if that is even a thing by the time it comes out.
AMD has already proven technologies to fine tune the Ryzen CPU's on the fly to get the best performance without manual OC'ing. Another great reason to get AMD Ryzen CPU's, now and when 7nm CPU's arrive.
But, if your still hanging on to Intel, the 9900k is the *hot* ticket.Last edited: Jul 25, 2018 -
If the TDP of a i7 7820X is 140W at 3.6 GHz (base clock), how on earth would a i9 9900K consume less than 130 W at max load?!hmscott likes this. -
Intel sees the yield as the benefit to their bottom line. Their huge monolithic dies really suffer from random defects, much more than the smaller CCX based Ryzen CPU's.
It may very well be that Ryzen CCX's could be build on Intel's 10nm process as it is today, and get more tahn acceptable yield.
Unfortunately Intel's huge die's aren't working out as high of yield at 10nm as at 14nm, so Intel can't make the jump. They wouldn't make as much money.
And, that's what is holding back Intel from 10nm right now. Not enough profit for the investment. Intel makes more moeny staying on 14nm right now.
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See 140w 6 cores Intel® Core™ X vs. 95w 8th Generation Intel® Core™ i7 Processor.
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You think they will use exactly same power consumption in the tests above? About same scores. How can this be true when you say there is NO differences between Skylake-X and Coffee Lake? You think the oc'd 7800X will pull out same Power consumption?
For the records... Intel have recommended 100w PL1 and 125w PL2 for the Mobile i9-8950Hk 45w BGA chips for the Notebook OEM's.
Edit. Intels statement in the post here.
"The OP goes into detail about the issue and offers a temporary mitigation to the problem. This involves some command line work and understanding HEX codes but a technically comfortable person should be able to follow the given instructions. This also involves forcing the MacBook Pro to load unsigned kexts so you should tread at your own risk before proceeding. Doing the math, the OP says that Apple has shipped the Core i9 MacBook Pro with CPU regulation power (Power_Limit_2) set at 125W for 28 seconds and Steady State limit (Power_Limit_1) set at 100W. The problem here is that these are Intel recommended settings for this processor, which assumes that you are able to supply 100W for the steady state."Last edited: Jul 25, 2018Georgel and Spartan@HIDevolution like this. -
TBF, Skylake X does seem to pull more power than Vanilla coffee lake; this guy has his i7-7820X running at 4.5 GHz, 1.1V and his CPU power consumption is 156 W. I just found out that Skylake-X is on 14nm+, so that's a factor too. -
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https://videocardz.com/newz/golem-intel-core-i9-9900k-will-be-soldered
Sure we already basically knew this, but man the leaks just don't stop coming in. i9 9900K will be soldered! With all of these leaks, and the previous leaks suggesting Aug 1 release date, we can't be far off from getting our hands on that 9900K!Papusan likes this. -
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It is almost as big as a laptop, I have only space for Water, no space for large air cooler
I'll take some photos of my actual build sometime. My CPU fan is actually on the outside because I didn't have space on the inside... XD
Those are some examples of the said case
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WccftechTV
Published on Jul 26, 2018
https://wccftech.com/intel-ditching-h...
A very interesting SiSoft Sandra entry (via TUM APISAK) confirms something that had long been suspected over the past few weeks – Intel is going to be ditching Hyper-Threading for its i7 parts in the upcoming Coffee Lake processors.
Perhaps this is Intel's way of keeping power use and thermals down and increase real core Turbo frequencies as Intel works hard to extend the life of the 14nm process usability as higher core count CPU's continue to be released. With higher core counts overall, extending multi threading through hyper-threading may be less necessary.
Here is an older video covering hyper-threading impact on gaming, and a short video using the 8700k with hyper-threading Off/On:
Intel Hyper Threading, Do Gamers Need It?
Hardware Unboxed
Published on Nov 15, 2016
VIDEO INDEX
0:00 - Intro
0:17 - Core i7 cores
0:32 - Kaysh, deal!
0:54 - What is Hyper Threading?
1:39 - Games using more threads
2:10 - Gamers & their CPU
2:23 - Test system used
2:58 - Quality settings
3:20 - F1 2016
3:55 - Cities Skylines
4:18 - Overwatch
4:49 - Total War: Warhammer
5:02 - Civilization VI
5:21 - Gears of War 4
5:51 - Battlefield 1
6:14 - Discussing the results
6:27 - Reson for skipping Core i5
6:56 - Core i7, worth it for gamers?
7:57 - Over to you guys!
8:17 - Outro
Lower temps on the CPU, even with higher utilization of the real cores, with similar FPS:
i7-8700: Hyper-Threading On vs Off ( Far Cry 5 )
RIZECEK
Published on Jun 11, 2018
My PC:
• CPU: Intel Core i7-8700 3.2GHZ ( Turbo 4.6GHZ )
• CPU Fan: SilentiumPC Fera 3 HE1224 v2
• GPU: MSI GAMING X+ GTX 1080 8GB GDDR5X
• RAM: ADATA XPG GAMMIX 16GB DDR4 2667MHZ
• MB: ASRock EXTREME 4 Z370
• PSU: Seasonic S12 II Bronze
• Monitor: Acer Predator XB271 144HZ
• CASE: NZXT S340
• OS: Windows 10 Home 64bit
• DISK: Seagate BarraCuda - 1TB
• SSD Crucial MX 100 250GB
More gaming comparisons with hyper-threading On/Off showing more variations in effect:
Hyper Threading ON vs OFF Test in 9 Games (i7 8700k)
Testing Games
Published on Dec 30, 2017
Hyper-Threading : 6 Cores vs 12 Threads
Games:
PUBG
Battlefield 1 - 01:00
Hitman - 02:14
The Witcher 3 - 03:32
Fallout 4 - 05:12
Project Cars - 05:57
Grand Theft Auto V - 07:46
Rise of The Tomb Raider - 08:32
Arma 3 Apex - 09:07
System:
Windows 10
Intel i7 8700k 3.7Ghz
Asus ROG STRIX Z370-H
GTX 1070 8Gb
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I love the 8c/8t idea myself, it’s more than most will need for the foreseeable future even with a top end GPU. Still I’ll be grabbing the 9900K and the 8700K will remain permanently in my Eurocom F5.
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hey im not sure if this question has arise yet, but will the latest clevo motherboard (8700K,P870TMx-(G)) will be able to support this new i9-9900k, or there will be some bios issues, unless there's an update.
Intel Core i9-9900k 8c/16t, i7-9700K 8c/8t, i7-9600k 6c/6t 2nd Gen Coffee Lake CPU's + Z390
Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by hmscott, Nov 27, 2017.