Intel Core i9-9900k 8c/16t, i7-9700K 8c/8t, i7-9600k 6c/6t 2nd Gen Coffee Lake CPU's + Z390

https://videocardz.com/76849/asrock-confirms-8-core-intel-cpu-support-for-h310-motherboard

Intel 8 core support confirmed for lower end non Z390 boards.

 

Which might not be such a good thing, given the comparison between the B360 against a z370, that low end motherboard gives up a lot of performance at the same settings for the CPU's tested:

Intel Coffee Lake - H370, B360, H310 Motherboards
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-b360-h310-motherboards.815204/#post-10770821

@08:55

 

Sorry but that guy has already been called out by plenty in the industry as a bogus video. There was something else at play there bud. The 8400 is not a demanding chip and will run the same in any Intel board within margin of error. Sure on the Z boards you can use higher speed ram, but ram speeds kept at 2666mhz it will perform identical across all platforms.

 

That's a series of video's, I think that is the 3rd one, I didn't post the rest. He moved the testing to a z370 to try to isolate the problem, which turns out to be the b360 motherboard.

It may be that particular motherboard design or that particular unit is the problem, but it's something to watch out for nevertheless.

Besides all that, I wouldn't presume the H310 is going to get the best out of the i9-9900k / i7-9700k, given the cost savings is usually down to power delivery scale back.

The low cost H310 isn't going to deliver the same high power as the z390 for a power hungry 8c/16t or even an 8c/8t CPU, especially for overclocking.

Bad advice overall suggesting the top high core count CPU be hosted in the lowest performance cheapest motherboard.

Don't cheap out on me now!!

 

I agree, and it will be interesting to see how they fair in the lower end boards. It's the same on the AMD side though. Don't the A and B boards also support the 2700x? I highly doubt with their inferior power delivery design that anyone would want to be running that chip in those boards. GN did a video about it way back and the VRMs were toasty, overclocking seemed dangerous.

Either way I wouldn't being pairing it together. If you want a top end board you need to get a Z board to go with that high end K chip.

 

The same advice goes for the AMD Ryzen series, don't cheap out on the motherboard when you are going for the highest performance CPU.

There are a number of Ryzen APU, 3, 5 CPU's that when paired with the right motherboard for it's power demands make good budget pairings.

Even so, if you plan to keep the motherboard / build going for a long while, then building with a more than adequate motherboard would allow you to upgrade the CPU down the road and have the power delivery needed already built in.

The BIOS in the bottom end budget motherboards may recognize the highest end CPU if plugged in, but that doesn't mean they should be used in an inadequate motherboard.

 

More news on the 10nm front, Intel "promises" 10nm consumer systems by Xmas season 2019...and datacenter 10nm solutions in 2020.

So maybe pass on the upcoming 14nm CPU's (the ones in this thread), and wait till next year? That should also be the sweet spot for the next gen mobile GPU's too.

Intel 10nm Production Update: Systems on Shelves For Holiday 2019
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...s-10nm-cannon-lake-cpus.817097/#post-10771406

"...
Speaking of datacenter products. Murthy Renduchintala, Intel’s chief engineering officer, promised that 10nm “datacenter products” will follow “shortly after” availability of client systems running 10nm CPUs in the late 2019. He did not give any exact timeframes, but stressed that its next-gen Xeon will follow its next-gen client parts quicker usually. Essentially, Intel confirmed this week’s report claiming that the codenamed Ice Lake-SP CPUs may hit the market in Q3 or Q4 of 2020."

 

Just want to point out that promises don't mean $h1t these days.

If leaks appear in 2019, alright, if not, then they will move the deadline as always.

 

Yeah, thanks for bringing that out front and center.

Intel's 10nm promises have been happening since 2012 - promising delivery in 2015:

Intel: We know how to make 10nm chips
Intel researchers believe they have a workable manufacturing method for 10nm processors, paving the way for future chips that consume less power and have greater performance than their forebears.
By Jack Clark | September 12, 2012 -- 20:40 GMT (13:40 PDT)
https://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-we-know-how-to-make-10nm-chips/

"...Intel's research group are also exploring technologies for 7nm and 5nm solutions, though these are a very long way off as 10nm is not expected to go into production qualification until 2015..."

Tick Tock On The Rocks: Intel Delays 10nm, Adds 3rd Gen 14nm Core Product "Kaby Lake"
by Brett Howse & Ryan Smith on July 16, 2015 10:15 AM EST
https://www.anandtech.com/show/9447/intel-10nm-and-kaby-lake

It's become a sad joke, Intel is dying on recycling this "10nm" failed promise.

 

Intel Gets Rekt - Ayy
https://www.reddit.com/r/AyyMD/comments/91zb7q/ayy/

r/pcmasterrace knows what's up
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/92er50/next_gen_cpu_strategies_amd_vs_intel/

ASRock confirms 8-core Intel CPU support for H310 motherboard
" The only question is if you can afford an 8-core Intel CPU, why would you even consider the H310 motherboard in the first place?"
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterra...ck_confirms_8core_intel_cpu_support_for_h310/

Lenovo IdeaPad 330, the sole system with Intel's sole 10nm processor.
Intel says not to expect mainstream 10nm chips until 2H19
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/92heab/intel_says_not_to_expect_mainstream_10nm_chips/

Switched to 2700X after more than 15 years of Intel and couldn’t be happier.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/92enpv/switched_to_2700x_after_more_than_15_years_of/

 

Golem: Intel Core i9-9900K will be soldered
Published: 25th Jul 2018, 16:49
https://videocardz.com/newz/golem-intel-core-i9-9900k-will-be-soldered

Intel’s Core i9-9900K says no to delidding
"According to German website Golem.de, Intel’s new mid-range flagship 8-core processor will be soldered. Several Intel-related sources have independently confirmed this to our German colleagues.

It is further said that both upcoming 8-core Intel processors coming with 9th Gen Core series will be soldered. That means Core i9-9900K and i7-9700K will use a solder between the IHS and the die.

The thermal compound used for current generation processors can be removed in the process called delidding. This technique voids the warranty and requires special tools (or a very steady hand). Yet still, it’s very popular among PC enthusiasts.

Intel has not used solder in this price range since Sandy Bridge. The return to soldering is likely to improve cooling efficiency and increase clock speeds further. The Core i9-9900K allegedly boosts up to 5 GHz.

It is worth noting that the same rumor has been published by PC Builder’s Club around 9 days ago. The website further claimed that the chip is capable of reaching 5.5 GHz."

Source: Golem, PCBuilder’s Club, Picture: Optimum Tech

Intel Z390 chipset to replace Z370 this quarter
The newly leaked roadmaps show Z390 chipset replacing Z370 this quarter.
Published: 17th Jul 2018, 13:19
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-z390-chipset-to-replace-z370-this-quarter

" Z390 replaces Z370
Intel’s own roadmaps confirm Z370 chipset going for retirement soon. The new chipset brings a handful of new features such as USB 3.1 support and optional Wireless-AC support. Nothing that should be considered groundbreaking though. In fact, some motherboard manufacturers tell us it is basically a renamed Z370.

This new enthusiast chipset was designed with future 8-core processors in mind, currently known as 9th Gen Core Coffee Lake-S series. The roadmaps that we are showing you today are clearly outdated. The 8th Gen Core series will be succeeded by 9th Gen Core series, which have already been officially confirmed by Intel. These roadmaps lack any reference to 9th Gen Core series."

 

sadly unless intel does a better solder process, delid + LM > solder. factor in delid + LM + rockit IHS will be even more.

 

I fixed it for you
Intel Core i9-9900K shows up in 3DMark Time Spy, comfortably beats the AMD Ryzen 7 2700X

The Core i9-9900K seems to have a lead over the Ryzen 7 2700X in the 3DMark Time Spy test. (Source: Overclock3D)
The 8-core Intel Core i9-9900K has made its way to the 3DMark database and has scored an impressive 10,719 in the CPU only test and 9,862 when paired with the GeForce GTX 1080Ti. This score is comparatively higher than that of the AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, which posted a CPU-only score of 9,428 and a combined score of 7,570 under overclock.

Intel's upcoming flagship CPU, the Core i9-9900K, has made its first appearance in the 3DMark Time Spy database and the scores seem to be impressive. The entry for the Core i9-9900K reports a CPU-only score of 10,719 and a combined score of 9,862 with the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti. Even if the turbo boost at 5 GHz is taken in account, the CPU-only score is still about 1.1x higher than an overclocked AMD Ryzen 7 2700X running at 4.4 GHz on all cores.

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/4126457


These are just preliminary benchmarks, though and we can expect more refined scores in the days to come. Although the slower Core i7-9700K won't be supporting Hyperthreading, it will be interesting to see how it fares in comparison with the Ryzen 7 2700X in GPU-dependent benchmarks. If the Core i9-9900K can also prove its mettle in multi-core performance, the Ryzen 7 2700X will finally have a solid competitor.

Ryzen 7 [email protected] Time Spy Cpu score.


Edit...
Intel Core i9 9900K benchmark leaks: Roughly 25% faster than i7 8700K
by Hilbert Hagedoorn - Guru3d.com on: 07/28/2018 07:42 PM | source: wccftech |

Intel is set to release their Core i9 9900K late August or September, the new mainstream 9th generation flagship model has appeared in 3DMark, with specs and a score and everything.

 

With newer microcode updates the chip will be slower once it matures. Every day new variations of Spectre microcodes is a nightmare for BIOS developers.

 

Don't predict what you don't know, bruh. And as you have seen... It's was clocked at a base frequency of 3.1 GHz, much lower than the expected base clock of 3.6 GHz which has been confirmed in various other listings of the chip. Aka not of the final retail samples. It will only be better

 

Yeah we see that all the time. Testing is done on lower clocks and lower TDP to check how it performs on real world apps/benchmarks etc... Afterwards, bump the clock speed by 100-200MHz at same voltage if it fails they bump up the voltages. And testing continues...
Will you buy the 9th gen 8 core chips if they work on z170 boards acc. to Prema?

 

Will be new Clevo with next gen Nvidia in Sli this fall/spring. All depends on @Prema Mod firmware and how it will performs. If not I will try it in my P870DM (Z170 board). Always fun with new tech. With BGA you are Screwed!!

 

Right cause any of the 12 variants thus far have slowed down my physics or CB scores anymore than margin of error.

 

Jesus this new 9900K on my Z370-E is going to be beast mode. I can't wait to get my hands on her soon. I love that they used a Z370-F board in the test, makes me more assured my board can handle 5ghz all cores on the 8 core beast.

 

I don't think its funny but Intel's stupidity. If you can manage 5-6GHz on your 9700k or i9 series on Z170 more users will mod their existing KBL or CFL boards to run it. They could have officially allowed 9the gen chips on existing CFL boards and not force users buy mobo and CPU.
I think @Mr. Fox will buy new Asus board 390 series Maximus 9 Hero. OR Will he use existing Asus board with AMI Aptio 5 modded BIOS from Prema?

 

9th Gen CFL will run on all existing CFL Z and B boards.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/coffee-lake-owners-lounge-and-discussion.809587/page-6

Ahh I've been waiting a long time for this.

 

The test was done with stock clocks (4.7GHz all cores) from what I have seen. Anyway, 5.0GHz all cores shouldn't be a problem on most Z370 boards.

 

Then why is Intel pushing z/b 390 series?

 

Bruh, wake up. New each year.

 

the 8 cores will likely run same as 8700k when its delided. still the same 14nm++ so no extra binning there. we can only hope it'll be tad better than 8700k and give extra 100mhz while gaining additional 2 more cores over it.

im more interested in what clevo will do, if they have a new cpu heatsink thats bigger and better i'd get that one instead.

 

Intel has ALWAYS done this. Like I said way back here

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/coffee-lake-owners-lounge-and-discussion.809587/page-6

They release 2 CPUs per gen. Z370 was a new gen. Z390 will be the refresh and will most likely get no further CPU support. Z390 brings a few new "features". Look at AMD with X370 and X470 or B350 B450. They bring a few new features but both forwards and backwards compatible. I'm not sure where everyone just forgot about this. Z270 was the refresh and following Intel's very reliable history, they stopped CPU support. This however seemed to surprise many when if they had been around more than a couple of years would have known this. I'm not saying it's right, but that is how Intel does business.

 

History of Intel Chipsets-Tomshardware.com

 

With these kinds of practices that Intel is pulling, I can surely say I will not be buying my next CPU from them.

They've gone too far with their useless marketing plots and lack of respect for their customers.

 

The new 9900k should be at least 33% as fast as the 8700k in multicore tests, it's got 33% more cores/threads. If the leaks are 25% faster, it might only be early tests without production hardware.

"Mind you that the Time Spy CPU is limited, hence it's so close to many core solutions like Threadripper. The Time Spy CPU test does not scale well on processors with 10 or more threads (!)."

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/in...rk-leaks-roughly-25-faster-than-i7-8700k.html

So the TimeSpy test is perfect for making the 9900k look good against higher core count CPU's like ThreadRipper. I was wondering why the 1920x was close in score to the 1950x. We need to see more 9900k benchmark results in tests that scale with more cores.

The 9900k is only 1 of the new CPU's and it's the only one with enough threads to compare in multicore, without hyperthreading the other CPU's might OC further and get better per core results, at least that's why I've disabled HT in the past.

The only problem I see is power delivery, 33% more power draw along with higher OC, I'd make sure my motherboard, old or new, had great cooling in the power section along with enough power delivery.

So far we haven't seen new motherboards, hopefully they aren't just copies of existing z370's with new badges.

IDK where Intel goes from here with 14nm 8c/16t, so unless Intel can match AMD 7nm and increase core count next year, this is Intel's last hurrah before their process lead is lost.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

It sucks, but at the end of the day I don't really care about that. I'm not using the patch crap, so it doesn't affect me.

Yeah, looks really nice. I may have to sell my laptop and buy one, along with a second 1080 Ti SC2 for SLI. But, I'm going to wait until we have proof of overclocking headroom and have verifiable benchmarks run by people that actually know what they are doing rather than leaks that cannot be verified. I am very optimistic, though.

Well, totally understand what you're saying. I hate that almost as much as I hate worthless BGA feces. But, unless or until AMD releases CPUs that I can push to a 40% or higher overclock like Intel, their processors will not be an acceptable option for me. No point in owning a belly-button CPU that runs the same (more or less) for just about everyone that owns one. That would basically drive the final nail in the coffin for my overclocking hobby, and that is the only attraction to PC that is left for me. If I were infatuated with playing games, then I'd save my money and do it on a console and use a disposable Android tablet or $500 turdbook for web and email. This is the only reason I stick with Intel and NVIDIA. I don't like their business practices, but there isn't a better option... yet. Now, if that actually ever changes in the direction that I want it to go, then I will not be bashful about going there. Will gladly ditch teams blue and green for red if red gives me an acceptable reason to do so. I have my doubts, but there is always the possibility. They're already doing better than expected, so maybe they'll do something I can be more impressed with one of these days. Until then, I will observe what they do and maintain status quo--overclocked and overvolted--with teams blue and green and their scummy business practices.

I am not anticipating there will be a need to replace my Z370 mobo to run this CPU. If that turns out to be wrong, I will not likely be spending any money. I will most likely just wait until I can afford to go with a HEDT CPU and a Rampage mobo.

 

Yeah, AMD has to live in the dark until they rolling out coming 3000 series Cpu models in 2019 (But when will it come? April or Mai or even before?). And then back to the dark when Intel push out their 10nm tech. But nice for us people who want competition and better Performance Both are welcome.

 

None of us ever really know anything about anything before it happens. Some think that they do, and others pretend to for ulterior motives.

My two-pronged approach: (1) One day at a time; believe nothing whatsoever about technology that isn't already released and available for purchase right now. And, (2) until its ability to meet or exceed my expectations is proven, it's all pie-in-the-sky, marketing lies and worthless bull feces.

Don't spend any money or get excited about anything until both of those details are out of the way. All companies that need to sell their crap to keep the cash flowing hope that people will start counting chickens before they hatch, and nobody should ever do that. Doing so is not very smart.

Absolutely. But, only if and when both of the above have taken place. It's not here yet, so there is nothing to enjoy. And, we have no proof that there will be, just some leaked stuff that might be fake. Even if it's not fake, it shows us nothing about what can be extracted from it when pushed as far as it can be pushed. Nobody should forget missteps can occur. Example: the 4940MX Extreme Excrement CPU.

The advice to enjoy it while it lasts applies to just about everything. Today's flagship anything is tomorrow's obsolete everything. I've you've got the best of anything, just blink twice. This, too, shall pass.

 

I won't quote anyone as it makes my post too long, also I am too lazy to do it.


The current situation of AMD is, unfortunately, a bit lackluster, they provided excellent value with their Ryzen lineup, but disappointed with their Vega setup, albeit I got one for a kick-ass price.

If AMD improves their XFR boost even further on their 7nm Ryzen 2 platform, I reckon we will have a strong contender in the arena.

And as for the graphics division... well I just have a freesync monitor, so a nvidia card doesn't make sense for me.

Here's to more competition

 

From Wccftech.com


https://wccftech.com/asus-z390-motherboards-maximus-xi-prime-tuf-strix-listed/

 

Where is the mITX variant ?

 

need. 9900k. 5ghz. in. laptop. NOW. first for it to release, then wait for silicon lottery. then wait for clevo's new laptop and hope for a new cpu heatsink.

 

Why the fascination with stuffing hotter and hotter, more power hungry hardware - into such small spaces?

Are you a Cat?

Spoiler: TCFW

 

Rather sit down and wait to see if you get needed firmware updates for your today’s motherboard

 

When aren't men thinking about stuffing big hot powerful things into small spaces?......

 

I actually want to Swap my Mobo for something stronger as well, might give me a reason to go for better RAM and more upgrades down the way.

Welp, RVZ-01E manages to cool GPUs best from all cases of all sizes oput there because it has a fan blowing directly into the GPU, so I'm kinda yiearning to also get the best CPU I can.

Y'know, the cooling being outside of the case means that I also have pretty good CPU cooling now, way bellow what 8700K heat can produce still;

 

Could it be a laptop with i9-9900k OC’d 5.0g, gtx 1180, metal chassis, less than 5lb and 0.8in? That’s my dream laptop.

 

Or wait until 10nm processor in 2019?

 

Absolutely now, think of thge physics involved in cooling that CPU, you can't just avoid physics at this point

 

Well, Intel's been making the same "believable" promise since 2012, promising 2015 as being the year of 10nm, not just for consumers but also for the datacenter.

Now Intel is saying 2H 2019 for consumers, and 2H 2020 for the DataCenter.

I'd rather buy AMD now, and get a good head start on the new 10nm Intel promises in 2020.

At this point I'm leaning toward Intel "skipping" 10nm and going right to 14nm++++...

 

Right. AMD 8-core 7nm is real but not Intel.

 

Intel is way out in the lead, with 6+ years - soon to be 8+ years of broken 10nm promises.

AMD hasn't even started on 7nm broken promises.

 

AMD 32c 64t 2990x is way cheaper than Intel 28c Xeon.

 

FTFY

 

All the complaints about $2K Intel chips last year. AMD’s coming top dog this year only $+-150 off Yeah, damn cheap and already forgot what they said last year

 

Intel has since dropped the price of the Intel® Xeon® Platinum 8176 Processor 28c Xeon part, from $10,001 (last I checked) to $8719, which is a good 5x-6x more than the new ThreadRipper 2990x - depending on what the real price ends up.

Intel’s 28-core 5GHZ processor could cost $10,000
By Matt Hanson 2018-06-08T09:30:30.158Z
https://www.techradar.com/news/intels-28-core-5ghz-processor-could-cost-dollar10000

AMD's 1950x is current $775 on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Threadripper-32-thread-Processor-YD195XA8AEWOF/dp/B074CBH3R4

2x the cores, 2x the price = $1550, or 2x MSRP $999 = $1998, or halfway between is $1775...

It will be fun to see the real price when the 2990x finally ships to end users.