Intel’s Core-X i9 and i7 series (x299) & Xeon (1P/2P)

The Title did say that... " My 16-core editing rig is COMPLETE!"

Hmmm, I always thought it was clear the bold title was the title for the video, not a comment from me...should I add "'s around Titles too??

Fixed it

"My 16-core editing rig is COMPLETE!" - that's the Title of Video, that is not my PC.

"Does your Dog Bite?"

 

i9-7920X Overclocking on MSI X299 Xpower Gaming AC (en)

 

AMD Threadripper vs. Intel Core i9 CPUs Clock for Clock - Tweaktown.com

At stock, if we set the 1950X as the standard, we are getting roughly 29% more overall, 26% more in gaming, and 28% more productivity performance from the 7960X compared to the 1950X. However, the kicker is, you would also be paying 78% more for the 7960X, meaning you would be getting 30% more performance for 80% more cost. That actually isn't that uncommon in high-performance devices, and that's because as they break into these higher niche areas, price scales exponentially.

Once you remove buyers who value "price vs. performance", then you get into another subset of buyers. However, if you need 16 cores, and you don't want to sell a kidney for it, then at stock the 1950X is an extremely powerful option, especially for its price. If money is not an issue (for most it is), then Intel does offer a bit more.

Edit. Intel Optane SSD 900p Makes a Secret Appearance - has PCI Express 4.0 interface What's the point with upgrade only the cpu late 2018/2019 although AMD can offer this for current platform?
@tilleroftheearth @ole!!! Optane ssd's is still expencive. And ain't option for Notebooks.

 

Wow, prediction comes true, VRM's on high core count i9's stresses x299 motherboards power delivery to performance failure.

Severe VRM Overheating & Throttling (ft. Bitwit CPU Delid)


VRM Overtemperature & Sealed vs. Unsealed Delid Thermals (Ft. Bitwit's 7980XE)
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3105-vrm-overtemperature-sealed-vs-unsealed-intel-delidding

 

Lovely.

 

Who's prediction? Yours? (Link...).

I don't see this as a 'failure', per se - high O/C'ing and just needed an additional fan over the VRM to keep everything happily rolling along.

I'm sure the next testing of these M/B's will be looking specifically for these events.

 

The motherboard cooling should be included, and failure with previously unannounced high core count CPU's - originally nothing over 10 core was announced for i9 - which is the Intel i9 x299 spec the motherboard makers designed for, Intel popped up with much higher power requirement CPU's late in the game, too late to redesign the x299 motherboards.

Steve mentions the video in his video...and I posted it here a while back, here it is again for your convenience

The X299 VRM Disaster (en)

X299 VRM Disaster - UPDATE (en)

X299 VRM Heat - Der8auer Collaboration


Fan cooling the VRM's doesn't solve the problem, drawing way more power than the motherboards were designed to support.

Real failures may occur over time. I'd skip i9 release motherboards and wait for a completely redesigned x299 motherboard, heavier duty power delivery, for any i9 CPU over 10 core.

 

Thank you for the informative answer! I agree with your conclusion now that I see the real issue here.

Video's... that's why I didn't know the details of this issue... (I come here to read - video usually wastes my time).

 

It's true, most people believe that, because they aren't used to taking in information via a video, it's funny because that's the medium of the future - audio + video, not straight text alone.

The sense of fantasy available via the written word, interpreting words and what they mean can be reigned in with charts and graphs, but correlating visual movement and tangible examples in a video brings it all together.

It's like being in class and watching the professor lecture, with notes and video enhancements and his voice emphasizing the important parts and points to take away - even if only writing and diagramming live on a chalk board, and describing it in real time to help our understanding, and then getting home and trying to put the memory of the "video / live explanation" against the written text in the book.

There's nothing like having a video of that lecture to refer back to for re-enforcing learning.

They both work together, it does take more skill to make a video than to write an article, assuming the data collected and work put into content is the same.

It's a misconception that an entertaining presentation takes away from the content, and the emphasis in voice and sound along with the video in working on multiple places in your brain for future memory really can help.

I can go either way, but I am often doing many things, and having a video going in the back ground that I can pull up if need be, rather than being of fixed focus stuck reading text is a big improvement in my multi-tasking.

I get enough from the video, others may need the text reading to help information uptake, but it's really the "old way" of doing things, once you are practiced in paying attention by listening and doing something else it really saves time

 

Maybe I'm too old-fashioned then... the only way I learn is to read - and if I was to write an exam - I'd be writing everything (handwritten) if I was serious about passing...

I can agree that multimedia presentations are infinitely better than dry words on a page - for a classroom setting.

In the real world? Most can only see one video at 'real time speeds' so that ends up wasting time. It's great that you think you are benefitting by having video playing in the 'background' - the truth is that your perceptions/expectations and your own fantasy/interpretation of the spoken words in those videos (at least the ones you catch...) also dilute the message just as much as reading a properly written article does (as you seem to think).

The difference with words is that I can search (instantly) to re-read any parts I may have misinterpreted. With video? Not so much... (especially the 'instant' part...).

Videos are the way of the future, no doubt. But they're not making anyone inherently smarter vs. reading... TV is a great example of this. So much information 24/7/365 and yet; the same uninformed masses as ever...

Way back when, I too preferred to learn by having a live presentation (even on just a chalkboard) by a good teacher (which were few and far between, btw).

These presenters on almost all the videos you've posted can't hold a candle to any of those old teachers.

Even with the slick, over-produced, edited, and sponsored 'opinions' they're all pushing out; I'd rather spend an hour with a real teacher instead and get an hour's worth of learning. Rather than spend 20 minutes watching to get a sentence or two worth of any real information.

While multimedia/video presentations may convey a lot of information - what it is ultimately used for via youtube is to push an agenda other than simply disseminating objective info.

Also; In written works; I can easily spot where I've misunderstood the author, or; see where their logic/objectivity fails.

In a youtube video; the subtle inferences are often more powerful (subconsciously) than the main points being made - and in anything over a few minutes long - would be just that much harder and too time consuming to see/prove if logic/objectivity was sacrificed for the purpose of a few more clicks/views/subscriptions...

 

The wise man can learn something from everyone - from anyone, the fool thinks he knows it all and can judge someone by their looks and a brief encounter - throwing away opportunities to learn without even realizing it.

I've been through and thought of all those things you mention, and still I gather a lot of good information from "those video's I posted", and far more than I post.

It's strange how I can get information where you can't, even though I know far more than they do I know I don't know everything, especially that which I haven't seen or experienced yet.

I read my first programming book in 1970, I still read them today. Do I do it because I know everything, you'd think I would after 47 years of reading - but I still learn something about subject's I already know from people that have far fewer hours / years at the task than I have. That's most people these days

That's because their perspective and cumulative knowledge is different enough from mine and everyone else's I've learned from in the past. I may learn something from what they don't say that I expect them to say, or they might have an example I haven't seen before, or they might make a mistake that I catch and that fires off thoughts of how they got there and how I know it's a mistake.

That last one happens a lot, and it's from mistakes we learn. It's quicker and cheaper in personal costs to learn from others mistakes. The faster you can observe and experience the mistakes of others instead of slowly slogging through it all yourself - the faster you can arrive at the solutions you need as you go along the path to understanding.

Do I roll my eye's a lot and go, wow... of course, but I keep paying attention and I do pick up enough data points from every person I listen to gain differential perspectives across saved simultaneous events in time.

Those mass postings of videos upon the release of NDA restrictions are the best. From all those POV's the puzzle pieces form into a view not obtainable from a single "best" source.

It's important to see how information travels in social circles, what's the platform being funded and how are people slanting their motivations into a percentage of an honest informational transfer.

I wouldn't dare suggest any video presenter is in any way not worth listening to, as I've learned enough to know that it is foolish to pass on that which I haven't seen.

When I see you and others poo-poo things I know are good, I know it's because you want to believe you already know it all and have nothing to learn from people that aren't as experienced as you.

I know that POV is ever increasingly self-limiting, and more so the older you get, pretty soon there's noone to learn from in your world.

In my world everyone has the potential of teaching me something I don't know, because I know I don't know everything.

 

We agree on most everything and even what you fear about me (i.e. 'I know it all') isn't true. I couldn't be participating on this forum today if it was.

Everyone has the potential to teach anyone else, agreed. But when there are better ways to get the same information (not to mention just simply testing and then judging for myself in my own workflows/workloads) being tied to a video or videos for hours on end is not the best use of my time.

I'm a fair bit older than your 47 years. It's not what I learn new today that keeps me focused; it's also what I re-learn too. I'm not talking about forgetting things and reading about them again as if they're new; rather, I'm talking about revisiting the basics I learned many decades ago and see how they still apply today.

I'm willing and eager to learn, constantly. But videos are the drip method of information to do that for me. I don't write them off entirely, but when they're much over a few minutes in length; I can guarantee they'll waste part of my time - even if it is a topic I'm heavily interested in.

That 'overall' view that you get from multiple sources is what I get by simply testing/using a new component/platform in my workflows. Because I already have the highest performing systems for my workflows that I can have within my budget.

Not that there isn't anything better out there (there always is), for someone else. But what I know is the balance of performance vs cost vs. what's available (to me) at almost any given time is what I'm already running.

I will keep learning until I can't anymore. But anything 'online', including and maybe especially videos, won't be the optimal method for me to do so.

At least not at the depth that I want to know about how and why things work and how they're important to me/my workflows (or not).

Seeing the information that's out there is one thing. Trusting it blindly is something I haven't done in more than half my life...

In the end; I'm the final decision maker and that decision isn't based on what I've seen or read; it is based on the objective (productivity) stats I keep on my systems.

I'll mention this once again as it is on point: when I joined in 2009 there was nobody in these forums who could answer my question about 'will it increase my productivity' with regards to SSD's. When I showed over the next ~18 to ~24 months that SSD's couldn't do that; I was made fun of (and worse). Only when I discovered OP'ing did SSD's make a big productivity jump for my workflows. And it wasn't something new that I learned; it was applying what I knew from around 40 years ago (short stroking HDD's).

If/when I have time I do click on a video link and check it out. When I want actual info; there are much better sources out there today and for the foreseeable future.

 

Unless there is no published info because the product hasn't been on the market, and these are the first people with hands on experience.

Optimal or not, video's are a part of all that is available at the time they are published. Only reading print articles and ignoring other information sources limits information gathering.

Especially in a world of sponsored alliances and paid coverage, you need to work to find unadulterated content that isn't filtered or tilted one direction or the other. Find enough sources and you can see the differences and build your filtering awareness, and inform yourself outside and around them.

In situations where the only available information sources are the tilted ones, having tuned your awareness through being able to compare many sources on other subjects or situations you can sift through the information provided by tilted sources to get what you need without being easily confused or misinformed.

Those are the video's I have been posting, a wide range of sources that are useful either in the video posted, or the channel for historical or future videos in their catalog.

They aren't all winners in everyone's eye's - the same for printed articles, but they are meant to help someone - not everyone. That's what sharing information is all about.

Everyone can find information, if you know what you are looking for, or that it exists at all. And sometimes, doing that pre-screening to get rid of the totally useless presentations, can save a lot of time.

I know there are people out there that will never watch a video I post, but then I know it's easy for them to pass by the post and go on to the next post, while others will benefit - now or down the road.

 

And there you have it; we're both confident of what we know.

Glad that it seems like we're both confident enough to let the other hold an opposing view.

Great conversation, ty.

 

Yes, it's nice to exchange perspectives.

I don't see them as opposing perspectives, maybe the wideness of acceptable scope is the only difference.

Information in print distilled and served on a "silver platter" for easy consumption can make one "lazy", and such easy information presentation can give the impression of being "complete" allowing for easy manipulation of the readers.

If all you read is from those conveniently digestible printed sources, you can be programmed however the authors or patrons desire. Which may be the goal of the format and distribution, to lock in opinion through limiting information dispersal.

Wading through "mountains" of disparate raw information, unsponsored by the product progenitor gives information which isn't easily served or presented as there is no money in publishing the whole truth - only the truth that sells what someone is offering.

It's really not "mountains" of information, it just seems that way - like a chore you don't want to do - doing it would take far less time than complaining about it - but complaining seems easier. Working a little harder to get useful information won't kill you, and you might learn something useful for yourself unrelated to the subject matter.

When doing something you aren't used to doing, excuses are easy, like worrying about spending time that you'll lose without gain. It's easy to program people to be so busy that they feel they can't afford to question anything.

Break free of those non-existent walls, watch "non-optimal" video's and let your mind wander free to find whatever it needs, you'll be surprised at what you learn.

For one, you don't need to watch the whole video, scanning ( scrubbing) through a video is like skimming a book for what you are interested in, it's a talent you won't have immediately, but it will happen over time, then adding videos to your information sources won't be a burden, it will be a nice alternative.

Widening ones scope due to technology innovation is part of what we are all working toward, rejecting the advances along the way - not taking advantage of them - works against progress, not toward it.

 

THIS!!

 

When You Should Care About VRM Temperatures (Ft. Der8auer)

ASUS Rampage VI Extreme VRM Thermals with Intel i9-7980XE (Ft. Der8auer)
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3113-asus-rampage-vi-extreme-vrm-thermals

 

ASRock Releases X299 Taichi XE and X299 Gaming i9 XE: Big Boy Heatsinks
by Joe Shields on November 9, 2017 11:00 AM EST
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12007/asrock-releases-xe-edition-of-x299-taichi-and-gaming-i9

"This week ASRock has released “XE” editions of two of its popular X299 motherboards: the X299 Taichi XE and the flagship X299 Professional Gaming i9 XE.

The XE versions have a larger main heatsink, and an additional power delivery heatsink connected via heatpipe located behind the back panel VRM. Along with being larger, there are more fins cut out increasing surface area and heat dissipation capabilities. The original(s) had a single, smaller heatsink to cool the 13-phase VRM underneath and not a lot of surface area.

Both boards now also add a second 8-pin EPS 12V connector for additional power to the CPU.

In order to fit the updated cooling solutions, the shroud covering the back panel IO and audio sections have been removed."

ASRock X299 Professional Gaming i9 (before)

ASRock X299 Professional Gaming i9 XE (after)

ASRock X299 Taichi (before)

ASRock X299 Taichi XE (after)

It's good to see these upgraded power and cooling motherboards coming out so quickly

"In the weeks after the Skylake-X and Basin Falls (X299) chipset release, concerns were brought up with the platform’s VRM and cooling. Igor Wallossek from Tom’s Hardware looked into this issue in depth. In the end, it was found that these 140W+ CPUs, such as the i9-7900X, can use around 250W when clocked around 4.5 GHz using all cores (through burn-in testing –a worst case scenario). All that power creates heat, both at the CPU and the VRM level delivering voltage to the FIVR. This was also a problem when motherboard manufacturers were implementing their own turbo modes over the top of Intel specifications.

The concern here there was that some motherboards do not have enough VRM cooling to dissipate the energy lost as heat from the power delivery. At base frequencies, in well ventilated cases, this doesn't appear to be a big issue, however some motherboard partners enable turbo-boosting features such as Multi Core Enhancement by default, raising clocks and voltages, and can be too aggressive with its enhancement. Of course, cooling a CPU using that amount of power isn’t as easy as strapping down a $30 air cooler on it and calling it "OK" either. The point is some motherboards in certain situations can throttle the CPU at the VRM level due to the heatsinks not being able to dissipate such loads."

"Pricing on the XE versions of the motherboards will cost a little bit more to compensate. The Taichi is currently priced at $289 on Newegg while the Taichi XE is $322. The Fatal1ty Gaming i9 is priced at $389 with the Gaming i9 XE at $422. Both boards are asking a $33 premium. If pushing 140W processors or the 165W flagship 7980XE hard is in the plans, one may want to consider the XE versions and pay the premium, if only for peace of mind and cooler operation.

ASUS has a Strix XE as well with a larger heatsink."

 

Intel Z390 motherboard spotted in SiSoft Database
@tilleroftheearth @ole!!! Want one?

"Intel has an 8-core 14nm Coffee Lake processor in the works. The information surfaced from an XTU errata log is showing change-log entry that reads out as "[CFL] Added support for 8,2 core,", see below. CFL obviously is short for Coffee Lake"

"It would be an interesting move from Intel, as typically they design one desktop processor and base all models off from that one proc. To create an additional processor holding 8-cores is very unusual. If correct, this would be an 8-core/16-threaded part in the mainstream segment, and that would mean serious competition for AMD Ryzen 7."

"According to another leaked roadmap, Intel Z390 motherboards are to be expected in second half of 2018. Since we are seeing this Z390 leak already in November (~220+ days before 2H 2018), one could say that the timeline could have changed, so in other words, the Z390 may launch sooner."

 

New Tech for IOMMU Users: Looking Glass (Headless Passthrough)

 

I'd be interested to see how soon the 390 will actually launch if true. Might make a lot of people who would have waited annoyed.

 

Direct Die CPU Cooling Bracket - No More IHS


der8auer Skylake-X Direct Die Frame
https://www.caseking.de/en/der8auer-skylake-x-direct-die-frame-fsd8-021.html

I don't find it on Amazon yet...

 

Nice! @Trafficante needs that. I wish he had that for 8700K as well.

 

I think he said it will be available within a week, it's not a new idea, but it's good to have it ready out of the box, no modding needed.

 

Yeah, it's great having a pre-fabbed bracket like that to remove 99% of the danger-factor involved with going bare die.

 

Intel Coffee Lake H Core i9, Core i7 And Xeon Mobile Processor Specs Leak


Intel apparently has some additional Coffee Lake processors incoming that are destined for laptop machines and mobile workstations, at least according to a recent leak on the interwebs. Intel's Coffee Lake-H processors range from the quad-core Core i5-8300H on up to the hexa-core Core i9-8950HK on the consumer side, and include some tasty Xeon treats for business workstation users.
The Core i5-8300H and Core i5-8400H are both quad-core processors built on Intel's 14nm manufacturing process (14++ actually). Each processor is capable of executing 8 threads, and you'll find 8MB of L3 cache onboard. The processors are mainly differentiated by clock speeds, with the Core i5-8300H featuring a base clock of 2.3GHz and an all-core boost of 3.9GHz. The Core i5-8400H ups those clocks slightly to 2.5GHz and 4.1GHz, respectively.


Moving on to the Core i7-8750H and Core i7-8850H, these processors max out with six cores, that are capable of executing 12 threads of simultaneous multiprocessing. L3 cache is upped slightly to 9MB, while base and all-core frequencies for the Core i7-8750H are spec'd at 2.2GHz and 3.9GHz, respectively. The Core i7-8850H sees its clock speeds rise to 2.6GHz and 4.3GHz respectively.

When it comes to the flagship of the family for gaming notebooks, we now reportedly will have the burly Core i9-8950HK. Like its Core i7 counterparts, it has six physical cores (12 threads), but it boasts a bodacious 12MB of L3 cache complement. In addition, the "K" designation means that this is an unlocked processor, which should appease mobile gaming fanatics. The Core i9-8950HK has a base clock of 2.9GHz, all-core boost of 4.3GHz and a single-core boost of 4.8GHz.


Not to be left out just because they're enterprise-class gear, there are also two related mobile Xeon parts that will be destined for mobile workstations, a la the Hewlett-Packard ZBook family and Lenovo ThinkPad P Series. The Xeon E-2186M is an exact match specs-wise with the Core i9-8950HK (although it does pick up support for ECC memory), while the Xeon E-2176M has slightly reduced clocks across the board.

Unfortunately, we don’t have any pricing or availability information for any of these new processors, but we’re almost certain those details will leak as well over the coming weeks. Stay tuned and happy Friday all.

 

Wonder how the current issues are going to affect Xeon sales. Also, "bodacious"? I don't know how to feel about them using this word.

 

i9-7980XE - a 2000 € Keychain - DIE SHOTS (Part 1/2)

i9-7980XE - a 2000 € Keychain - DIE SHOTS (Part 2/2)

 

ASRock X299 Extreme 4 Motherboard Review + Linux Test

 

Intel’s Massive Core i9-7980XE 18-Core Reviewed With ASUS’ ROG STRIX X299-XE GAMING Motherboard
Introduction
Intel has always enjoyed the performance crown when it comes to processors and last year, it temporarily lost that medal of honor to AMD’s Threadripper platform. The Intel Core i9-7980XE ‘Extreme’ processor is the answer to that challenge and is the highest core count mainstream consumer processor to date. Featuring 18 cores and a price tag of $2000 (that’s MSRP by the way), this isn’t a processor for the average Joe, but it is perhaps a superb choice (once overclocked) for the amateur workstation or rendering rig.

The Intel 7980XE Review: the fastest mainstream consumer chip on the planet
While mainstream desktop buyers got their platform cycle refresh earlier this year, enthusiasts received the update in the second quarter of 2017. In 2014, Intel released X99 and it was a big leap in terms of features compared to X79.

It was the first platform to feature support for DDR4 memory, something that mainstream consumers would get a whole year later. It was also the first platform that pushed the core count on Intel processors from 6 to 10. While expensive, the competitors had no answer to Intel’s enthusiast platform which gave Intel another market to take control over.

Before we go any further, here is our complete system configuration for the review:

• Intel Core i9-7980XE
• NVIDIA GTX 1080 Ti
• ASUS Strix X299-XE
• 32 GB RAM (G.Skill)
• NZXT Kraken X62 AIO
• Corsair RM 850X

We are going to be pairing the Intel Core i9-7980XE with the ASUS Strix X299-XE GAMING motherboard. Both samples were provided by their respective manufacturers for review purposes. The X299-XE features an additional power connector to the CPU port, so it is a good choice for the Core-X series.

This is going to be our primary X299 test bench and will also be used for future testing. We are going to be going over not only the compute side of things, but preliminary gaming benchmarks as well. Our methodology is going to be testing the 7980XE in its out of the box settings and with no additional tinkering. Overclocked testing and affinity scaling will be part of our coverage that is going to be coming soon afterwords.

Table of Contents

• 1. Introduction
• 2. Intel's Core i9-7980XE Skylake-X Flagship: Introduction & Overview
• 3. ASUS STRIX X299-XE GAMING: Unboxing and First Look
• 4. ASUS STRIX X299-XE GAMING: Introduction & Overview
• 5. Intel Core i9-7980XE & ASUS STRIX X299-XE GAMING: Gallery
• 6. Intel Core i9-7980XE Benchmarks: Synthetic & Compute
• 7. Intel Core i9-7980XE Benchmarks: Gaming
• 8. Intel Core i9-7980XE: Thermals and Power Consumption
• 9. Conclusion

 

Nice. Unaffordable overkill for most users, but still pretty awesome.

 

Ubisoft’s Anno 2205 Does Not Support Intel’s 18-Core ‘Core i9-7980XE’ Flagship Processor
By Usman Pirzada, 13 hours ago
https://wccftech.com/ubisoft-anno-2205-does-not-support-intel-core-i9-7980xe/

"So we spotted something interesting during our testing of the Intel Core i9-7980XE and thought we would share this for anyone facing the same issue. As it turns out folks, Ubisoft’s Anno 2205 was the only game in our rolodex that does not support Intel’s extreme core count flagship processor: the 18-core 7980XE.

Anno 2205 can’t handle Intel’s 18-core 7980XE processor, no patch available yet, workaround can be done through bios
Anno 2205 launched almost 2 years ago but remains one of the leading games of its genre and an absolute beast in sheer graphical splendor. As a colony simulation/management game, it is also a good candidate for the high compute capacity of Intel’s leading processor. Unfortunately however, during our testing, the game refused to boot.

At first, we thought that there might be some driver or pre-requisite software package issue, but after a couple of hours of headbanging, reinstalling windows, drivers, and a redditor which was suspiciously facing the same problem we realized what the issue really was: the game could not handle the massive core count of the Intel processor. If you try to boot up Anno 2205 on an Intel i9-7980XE, this is what you will see:

Here is the interesting thing though, Anno 2205 will work perfectly fine on AMD’s flagship Threadripper 1950X. That is a 16-core processor and it was odd that it would work perfectly fine while the 7980XE wont. Unless, the game had an issue with 17 core and higher core counts and that is what we set out to find. We dropped the core count of our 7980XE to 8 cores in the bios (by disabling 10 cores) and the game booted up just fine.

From there we increased the core count one by one till the game refused to boot. The lucky number it appears is 16. As long as you have 16 cores or less, the game will boot fine, but just one over and it will fail to run. We got into contact with the redditor who was facing the problem and it turns out that Ubisoft has refused to provide a patch for this so far. Ironically enough, the much older Anno 2070 supports the 7980XE just fine.

If you are a 7980XE owner, you have two options, you can either ask for a refund from Ubisoft or you will have to cripple your processor from the bios every time you want to game."

 

Implying they have no intention of it or haven't figured out how?

 

You'd need to ask the author, those are quotes from the article.

 

I literaly cant understand what intel tried to proove with x299(also, amd x399 dosent make sense either).

They are literllay killing xeon and epyc sales. These processors were meant to be for gamig and enthusiasts, i dont understand, who would require a cpu with friggin 18cores? 8-10 cores were enough, even for the expensive ass bowlers, but this? Both of these companoes are drunk.

 

They're targeting Prosumers.

 

Maybe for you. But not for others

 

Their price point is off (I would pay $55 - $60 USD per core - which I did on the octo core), but for my line of work, the professional, I could definitely use 18 cores when debugging code or testing database design. The problem would be trying to keep it cool in my mobile type of case.

 

@Dr. AMK, Linus hit exactly on the reasons the mighty mini is running with the i7-7820x... Plus this tied with some of the limitations (read PCIe lanes) of the ITX system board. See http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/mighty-muscular-mini-itx-build.812322/#post-10666000 for details.


Thx for the find!

 

You are welcome, I was so confused, until I found this video, and your post now completed the full picture.

 

About Intel® Processor Numbers
https://www.intel.ca/content/www/ca/en/processors/processor-numbers.html
The processor number is one of several factors, along with processor brand, specific system configurations, and system-level benchmarks, to be considered when choosing the right processor for your computing needs.
A higher number within a processor class or family generally indicates more features, but it may be more of one and less of another. Once you decide on a specific processor brand and type, compare processor numbers to verify the processor includes the features you are looking for.
View processor specifications and compare processors ›


View processor numbers for microservers, servers, and workstations ›
Intel CPU Letters Explained

 

Please keep this on topic, had to move and delete quite a few posts.

 

Wait a second... wouldn't the Turbo Frequency mean only 1 core boosts to 4.6 GhZ (for i9-8950HK) and not 'all' cores?
I mean, from what I understand, the turbo frequency across all cores will be closer to the base clock (if not the same as base), but only 1 core usually boosts to such high frequencies... or have Intel changed something with their new CPU's?

 

Intel still use Turbo Boost 2.0 same as before for their mainstream chips. Intel only added the new feature " Thermal Velocity Boost " on top and charged more $$$ for it. Run the chips past 50C degrees and the +boost is gone.

 

So, if I understand their boost technology correctly, Intel initially boosts with Turbo Boost 2.0 on 1 core moderately higher vs base, while the Thermal Velocity Boost would essentially push that turbo boost (Again on 1 core) to higher levels temporarily while allowing the CPU to go beyond a specific temperature?

Again, I am uncertain if this frequency boosting applies to just 1 core, some cores, or all cores?

 

In the thinner/hotter systems I can see that being a little self-defeating.

 

The 4.8 GHz can only be reached using the "Thermal Velocity Boost" which allows one core to boost to 4.8 GHz (+200 MHz) as long as the CPU temperature is below 50°C. Multiple cores can be boosted +100 MHz below 50°C. Will come on top of Turbo Boost 2.0

F. eks see boost clocks for 7700K (4.2GHz base clock)

Not Intel's problem. They have added (cTDP 35-45w) for the i9 mobile chips.

 

Under 50C at 4.8GHz at ambient temps of above 25C will need 100% fan speed.

 

Why are you all continuing to discuss the new 8th generation mobile i7/i9 CPU's in this thread??

This thread is all about the Desktop x299 Core-X i9/i7 parts... sheesh...

Here is the thread for the new 8th gen mobile CPU discussions:

Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...0h-i9-8950h-coffee-lake.810891/#post-10706961