Laptop with GTX 560m

PCi Labs : NVIDIA dévoile ses GeForce 500M. Nos premiers tests - PC INpact


It seems there is no GTX 560M after all. Duh
Sorry, couldn't find a link in english.
Also, the guy who did a review of the 540M is a moron, as he compares a new system featuring a i7-2720qm with old notebooks embarking some i5-450/460M.

 

Second quarter would be April, May, or June 2011.

 

Nvidea's press conferance is in 20 minutes or so.

 

plz update the thread on 500m series specs

 

Nothing about graphics. Just announced project Denver. Supposedly high end ARM chips.

 

Talk about a microsoft, arm nvidia alliance.

 

no 560m but 485m @_@

 

Bah, no GTX 560m after all
But atleast they showed the 500 series like promised. And GTX 485m.
NVIDIA Newsroom

GeForce GTX 485M

 

..........

 

I honestly had doubts that NVidia would deliver this time around. However, it looks like it's safe to say that the green team is still on top, big time.

 

No 560M at all or delayed until further notice?

 

Can't disagree with you more. The 5xxM consists of slightly raised frequencies. Is that considered a great enhancement or what ? At least if they used GDDR5 as standard I wouldn't complain as much but it seems compromised. AMD has provided at least some solid material hinting at GDDR5 being more frequently used in mainstream graphics, and shows a few models with architecture improvement.

Now case of the 485M. If it's a GF110 it's gonna be the massive flop the 480M was, only more powerful and more power-consuming / hotter in load. Basically say good-bye to the perspective of finding it in other notebooks aside from the Clevo x7200.

If it's a GF114 the performance will be great, but again, with 384 cores (GTX 470M has 288) AND similar/slightly higher clocks, it'll be a siphon as well as a backup heater.

edit : it's a GF114, an early review is available here and would you believe it the test uses a Clevo X7200, what a surprise. Performance is amazing but the TDP is again about 100W. Good luck finding it in Asus / MSi / even Alienware (there's always a slight possibility) gaming rigs.

 

It has 384 cores, so it's either GF114 or GF104.

Review Nvidia Geforce GTX 485M graphics card - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

 

Yep, I answered my own question. GF114 is GF104, I think the only differences worth noticing is an extra block of 48 functional cores and lower idle consumption.

 

why they named it gtx 485m? why not gtx 580m? i guess they are waiting for 6970m's performance if 485m fails then it would release a 580m?

 

What would you expect from a GTX 580M ? The GTX 485M already uses the full GF114. The only margin left is to raise the frequencies, but then the TDP will break the 100W. There's no such thing as a GTX 580M in the boxes, most likely. But then the GTX 485M probably should already outperform the 6970M, but probably suffers from a higher TDP.

 

I agree with you Botsu. GTX 485m will probably be only available for very few select models with a very good cooling system. They say that it will be around 100 watt on par with GTX 480, which is around 25 watt more than GTX 460. So meh, i will not buy it.

On the other hand, the new Radeon 6970 and 75 which is on par or slightly lower than GTX 485 in performance will have the same power consumption as GTX 480. So we are at a dead end, only waiting to be saved by the GTX 500 series. So it sucks bigtime

I will probably buy Geforce GT 550m or preferably GT 555m because i want to have an Optimus system that can switch to IGP due to high power consumption with these descrete GPUs. I don`t know how much watt they will draw though, notebookcheck says this about GT 555m: "The relative high power consumption of the GeForce GT 555M suits it for larger laptops from 15-17"
I would love a ATI GPU but they have not any automatic graphic switching system, they offer fewer driver updates, and to "quote" Anandtech



Cheers

 

I'm guessing Noteboookcheck's assumption of the power consumption is where you heard that?

 

Yes. It is an assumption yes, you are right about that

"The codename of the mobile pendant is Blackcomb XT and it should have a similar power consumption as the GeForce GTX 480M"

AMD Radeon HD 6970M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

 

These guys also assume that the 6630M and 6730M will perform below the 6550M and 6570M, and a few days ago they expected the 6970M to perform a bit below the 470M and 480M and the 485M to be a small increase in power. They make baseless assumptions, so I'd wait for actual tests before getting upset.

 

I totally agree... it's just wild guessing so far... standard for notebookcheck imo.

 

So when do you guys suppose GTX 56M is going to be released? No news about it on CES other than MSI saying that their GT680/780 will be with "yet to be announced GTX 560M".
And Nvidia is supposed to release the dekstop version GTX 560 around January 25. So something is definitely going on here...

 

we most probably won't have it in any laptop on sale till march-aprill.. probably the 6970 should be in a laptop before GTX560M..

Panther214

 

Is the number 5 that significant to you that it matters?

 

Well bigger numbers always means better right? /sarcasm

Desktop 5x0 GPU offer a redesign of the cooling system, more stream processors, and higher core clocks for them to outperform 4x0 series GPUs. Yes it has resulted in 10-25% performance gain, I think that is significant enough for a refresh, Nvidia can't be releasing all new stuff every single series.

 

Nvidia is using that GPU for the GTX 485M, and if they rebranded it to the GTX 560M, there would be no next step up GPU for a GTX 570M or GTX 580M. Logically, the highest bump I could expect a GTX 560M to get is up to the GTX 470M's performance level...anything more and you wouldn't find it in the same notebooks you typically find a GTX x60M GPU in.

So, what it comes down to, is wait for God knows when a GTX 560M gets released, or buy a GTX 470M now.

 

Is it wrong to ask and wait for something that is faster than GTX 460M, cooler and have less TDP?

And find me a laptop with GTX 470M. Not many out there is it? There is a reason why "everyone" is staying with GTX 460M. Bet when 560M comes out, i am pretty shure many will abandon 460M and feature it.

 

Like that's even possible. The architecture the 460M uses can't be refined much further. It would either be just slightly faster and have the same TDP, or significantly faster while raising the TDP a bit.

 

Read the whole thread

 

It's wrong to think it'll be named GTX 560M.

 

They developed the core for the GTX480 and had in mind general purpose processing along with games. They cut it down to create the mobile version.

They then had in the pipeline a design tailored specifically to gaming with all the internal balances changed. This released as the GTX460 desktop and this went into the GTX470M and the desktop GTS450 to the GTX460M.

They then scaled this design theory (with a couple of process tweaks for YIELDS) to the GTX580 back up to the 300W TDP limit for pci express.

If they applied some of that back to the GTX460 it would give them better yields but thats about it.

 

The GTX 500M series is only going to be refined, optimized versions of the GTX 400M series, meaning lower power consumption and lower price.

Don't doubt or question my sauces.

 

And I hear you DO make a mean tomato sauce...

 

LOL sauces
Wonder how you managed to put the "only" there though hehe. For me it is very crucial.

If GTX 560M follow the same routine as GTX 460M did, we can expect to see 560M around late March. GTX 460 was released July 2010, 460M October 2010. But then we have the GTX 260 which was released June 2008, and 260M followed with March 2009. Hmmm i want more sauce

 

Because the minimal improvements in price, power and/or performance would be so insignificant that they would not even matter. Not even to you.

 

We will see. You can put out numbers here since you talk like you know the specs..

 

With GT 555M being a 144 core/192-bit GPU there's not an infinite range of model numbers left available for a full 192 core/192-bit GF106 respin. Any improvement in power will be essentially negated by a corresponding increase to clocks, and any game performance increase on a GTX 560M using this GPU could be matched by an overclock on GTX 460M.


In the unlikely scenario that the full respun GF106 is skipped (or uses some off model number) and GTX 560M uses a cut down GF114, then there would be little gained over GTX 470M. Power draw might drop a couple of watts, but performance and price would match the GTX 470M.


There's a very legitimate reason why no one likes rebrands...there's nothing to expect from them.

 

I only expect them to be producing the chips on a more mature process, which is why they'll get cheaper. Not by much, but we could be in for a less drastic version of the 9800M -> GTX 200M maturation.

Though, Nvidia shocked the hell out of me, with the 485M. I'm done predicting what they can pull off.

Q3, late summer, etc..

 

I know, it makes no sense to rebadge a whole bunch of low/mid 4xxM to 5xxM and then take what is the mobile version of the desktop GF100->GF110 shift, and only call it the 485M.

Even when they're not using the deliberately confusing rebadge scheme, they're being confusing in NOT using it in this case!

The only thing I can think of is that they have a 580M in the works now, but really for it to be any better than the 485M it'd have to have a redesign to eliminate a lot of inefficiency (like the AMD VLIW5 -> VLIW4 change in Cayman or the core grouping from GF100 to GF110) to be any better at all and I haven't even heard rumours of anything like that in the works.

We just get used to the idea of nothing new in the mobile space (bar an AMD implementation of something like optimus) until the next process node at 28nm. Just manufacturers getting the existing GPUs and SB into new models.

 

50/135/100 - they are clocking that thing to the ground at idle!

 

Hopefully that's enough to stop Aero and other background stuff from clocking it up and down like a yoyo. My gtx260m sits between 1-3% utilisation at min clocks of 200/400/120 on Win7 desktop with only a few gadgets (according to one of them, Nvidia Inspector)

Just dragging the scroll bar on this reply page up and down quickly a few times is enough to get the GPU to raise clocks to max for a few seconds, and then it begins the step-down process... 5 secs then 383/766/300... 5 secs then 275/550/200... 5 secs then 200/400/120.

 

Nvidia: GeForce GTX 560M launch approaching
Nvidia: GeForce GTX 560M launch approaching - Notebookcheck.net News

MSI GT683R 15.6" Gaming Notebook. MSI GT683R-xxxUS
MSI GT780R 17.3" FHD/NV GTX 560M 1.5GB GDDR5/Core i7-2630QM/12GB DDR3/1TB 7200rpm/ Pre-Order: GenTech PC Store

 

The newer cards switch way faster than the old 2xx series.