The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
← Previous pageNext page →

    Nvidia Thread

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Dr. AMK, Jul 4, 2017.

  1. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Titan V slower than 1080ti tensorflow:18.08-py3 and 396.54 drivers
    https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/...-py3-and-396-54-drivers/post/5305057/#5305057

    "Our next driver release on 1/15/19 will have the update.

    Here’s the nvsmi command that will uncap mclk on TitanV:
    nvidia-smi.exe --cuda-clocks=OVERRIDE

    To return to default:
    nvidia-smi.exe --cuda-clocks=RESTORE_DEFAULTS

    Best, Tom
    Devtalk Community Manager | NVIDIA Corporation"

    "I have just been informed that version 417.35 has the update. Let us know if you have any issues.
    https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/141167/en-us
    Devtalk Community Manager | NVIDIA Corporation"

    "Thanks Tom for the update! May I know if it's going to be supported in Linux driver version 417.35 also?"

    "Yes, the update made it into 415.25 for Linux.
    https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/141448/en-us "

    "Hi Tom, thanks for the info.
    Checked with the 415.25 drivers in Linux and it works like a charm. Now Titan V is able to drain more than 300W."
     
  2. Dr. AMK

    Dr. AMK Living with Hope

    Reputations:
    3,961
    Messages:
    2,182
    Likes Received:
    4,654
    Trophy Points:
    281
  3. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Profile: Jensen Huang. Is this his last year as NVidia CEO?
    Coreteks
    Published on Jan 4, 2019
    In this video I discuss NVidia's future in their various business fronts: The Data Center, AI, Gaming, Auto, and Visualization. I also discuss Jensen's future as CEO following allegations of market manipulation.
    "///////////////////////////////////////////////
    LEGAL DISCLAIMER:
    1:
    - Any acusations or allegations against NVidia and its CEO Jensen present in this video are based on the information present in the company's earnings calls and in the following lawsuit -

    Huang in the IRON WORKERS LOCAL 580 JOINT
    FUNDS, on behalf of itself and all others
    similarly situated,

    vs

    NVIDIA CORPORATION, JENSEN
    HUANG, and COLETTE KRESS

    - and should not be attributed to the author of this video, who is simply presenting them in video form, for educational purposes.

    2: Any information in this video should not be used as guidance for financial investments. Please be aware of the consequences of investing in the stock market.
    //////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Support me on Patreon:
    https://www.patreon.com/coreteks

    Sources & further reading:

    NVidia annual report:
    https://s22.q4cdn.com/364334381/files...

    Lawsuit against Nvidia and Jensen Huang:
    http://securities.stanford.edu/filing...

    Zotac Financial Report:
    http://www.pcpartner.com/upload/day_1...

    Article for thesis basis:
    https://seekingalpha.com/article/4225...

    - Videos from the AMD official Youtube channel were used for illustrative purpose, all copyrights belong to the respective owners, used here under Fair Use.
    - Videos from the Intel official Youtube channel were used for illustrative purpose, all copyrights belong to the respective owners, used here under Fair Use.
    - Videos from the NVidia official Youtube channel were used for illustrative purpose, all copyrights belong to the respective owners, used here under Fair Use.

    If you haven't been credited please CONTACT ME [Coreteks] directly and I will credit your work. Thanks!!"


    We FINALLY Got 144FPS With Ray Tracing On!!
    UFD Tech
    Published on Jan 4, 2019
     
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2019
    Aroc, jclausius and Dr. AMK like this.
  4. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2019
    Dr. AMK, Aroc and Robbo99999 like this.
  5. Robbo99999

    Robbo99999 Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    4,346
    Messages:
    6,824
    Likes Received:
    6,112
    Trophy Points:
    681
  6. Talon

    Talon Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    1,482
    Messages:
    3,519
    Likes Received:
    4,694
    Trophy Points:
    331
    http://www.pc-better.com/titan-v-dxr-analysis/

    Really interesting read on DXR and it's current implementation. Very much looking forward to Metro Exodus next month with DXR support. Hopefully Nvidia has something to show off at CES in a couple of days other than the RTX 2060/mobile sector.
     
  7. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Given the graph numbers showing the difference in performance in FPS between no RT cores vs RT cores, the uplift from Volta to Turing with RT cores is 25%-35% faster, not "many times" faster.

    I can't find the comparison I recall seeing, but Nvidia showed a "many times faster" comparison with / without RT cores... that suggested the difference between real-time capability and non-real-time capability. I'll see if I can find it and edit this to include it.

    Also there is a chart showing Turing uplift in shader performance between Pascal and Turing that suggests there is another 50% multiplicative bump in performance between Pascal and Turing that is helping uplift real-time ray-tracing performance:
    GeForce_EditorsDay_Aug2018_Updated090318_1536034900-compressed-013_575px.png
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/13282/nvidia-turing-architecture-deep-dive/4

    Which begs the question, with all of that advantage in architecture between Pascal and Turing, why did Nvidia cheat the gaming community by holding back on basic performance from generation to generation, yet increase the price points dramatically - putting ownership out of the hands of so many that rely on Nvidia to be inclusive of all gamers?

    Nvidia has completely ignored the $100, $150, $200, $250, $300 price points previously available, given a 50% performance uplift in basic shader / rasterization performance - along with the additional boosts from process and tidying up optimizations - should have made this new generation a complete success with all gamers, instead of only the 2080ti / Titan RTX buyers.

    Everyone else is paying the same $ for the same performance +- core count distribution, which means Nvidia has created a noop flop of a GPU release out of what could have been a total success for everyone interested in buying one of the new generation GPU's.

    Nvidia's failing is that they continued to ignore their base market of gaming enthusiasts and burned us all with this overpriced and underwhelming GPU generation.

    When we can purchase last generation GPU's at the same MSRP and less actual cost for the same performance of the new generation, that's a total failure of a generational GPU release by Nvidia.
     
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2019
    Vasudev and Dr. AMK like this.
  8. Robbo99999

    Robbo99999 Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    4,346
    Messages:
    6,824
    Likes Received:
    6,112
    Trophy Points:
    681
    That graph is BS though, Turing cores don't provide 50% increase in performance per core over Pascal cores. For instance, RTX 2080ti is only about 30 odd percent faster than GTX 1080ti when both are overclocked, yet the RTX 2080ti has 4352 cores vs the 3584 cores of the GTX 1080ti, and still the RTX 2080ti is not 50% faster than the GTX 1080ti while at the same time actually having 21% more cores as well! So that's just nonsense about getting large performance bumps from a Turing core vs a Pascal core.

    So the performance per core increase calculation from Turing to Pascal is (using the numbers discussed in the previous paragraph):
    1.3/1.21 = 7% more performance from a Turing core than a Pascal core, which is one hell of a way off the 50% increase quoted in that graph!

    In fact, overclocked RTX 2080ti would have to be 82% faster than overclocked GTX 1080ti in order to qualify for the statement that a Turing core is 50% faster than a Pascal core. Juggling the equation around from the previous paragraph:
    x/1.21 = 1.5
    X= 1.5*1.21=1.82 => would have to be 82% faster, and any which way you look at it RTX 2080ti is never anywhere near 82% faster than GTX 1080ti.
     
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2019
  9. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Yup, more Nvidia spun BS that doesn't stand up to examination and scrutiny. Bye Bye Jensen?...starting @ 22:40
     
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2019
    Vasudev, Dr. AMK and Robbo99999 like this.
  10. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    IT’S ON. NVIDIA CES 2019 PRESS CONFERENCE
    Sunday, January 6 2019, 8 p.m.
    CES 2019 - Nvidia
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/ces-2019.826767/#post-10842565

    Nvidia's Exciting Plans for CES!

    UFD Tech
    Published on Jan 5, 2019
    What are you most excited for from Nvidia at CES?


    ZeroAlytus 12 hours ago (edited)
    nvidia 20** FE cards is factory overclocked, in conclusion 2060 = 1070"

    Jonschge 10 hours ago
    "budget card, 350 dollar - wait what"

    Raven crow 11 hours ago
    "Just can't get excited for two year old 1070 performance at $350+, raytracing is meh."

    2rawww 10 hours ago
    "Il just stick with my 1080ti for another year, dont need no stinking rtx"

    VolantEnigma 11 hours ago
    "I've been a builder and run a small business for the last 7 years. I've always recommended Nvidia cards. I find myself hoping that CES gives me a reason to recommend AMD cards. I just still cannot get behind the ridiculous prices."
     
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2019
    Dr. AMK and Vasudev like this.
  11. franzerich

    franzerich Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    11
    Messages:
    497
    Likes Received:
    121
    Trophy Points:
    56
    Exactly. This is exactly the BS which bugged me since the announcement of RT cores.

    RTX 2080ti has 4352 cores
    GTX 1080ti has 3584 cores

    Now how about the GTX 1080Ti gets 4352 (non-RT) cores? How's the performance difference then? Probably a joke.
     
    Robbo99999, Vasudev and hmscott like this.
  12. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    TITAN RTX SLI vs RTX 2080TI SLI | Tested 13 Games |
    For Gamers
    Published on Jan 6, 2019
     
    Vasudev likes this.
  13. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

    Reputations:
    42,701
    Messages:
    29,840
    Likes Received:
    59,615
    Trophy Points:
    931
    @hmscott Was you in the jury?:D You need to come out from the closet:p

    View attachment upload_2019-1-7_5-28-15.gif

    NVIDIA GeForce RTX-20 Series Win CES 2019 Innovation Award
    Techpowerup.com | Today, 05:04
    The Consumer Electronics Association (CEA), the body behind CES, handed out CES 2019 Innovation Awards, with NVIDIA bagging one for its GeForce RTX 20-series graphics cards. CEA considered the RTX 2080 Ti, RTX 2080, and RTX 2070 for this award, and remarked the company's RTX technology to be "revolutionary," and that the "Turing" architecture it's based on brings real-time raytracing and artificial intelligence hardware-acceleration to the consumer space, augmenting programmable shading that's dominated consumer graphics for close to two decades now.
     
    Vasudev likes this.
  14. Dr. AMK

    Dr. AMK Living with Hope

    Reputations:
    3,961
    Messages:
    2,182
    Likes Received:
    4,654
    Trophy Points:
    281
    NVIDIA's CES 2018 event in less than 10 minutes
     
    hmscott likes this.
  15. Dr. AMK

    Dr. AMK Living with Hope

    Reputations:
    3,961
    Messages:
    2,182
    Likes Received:
    4,654
    Trophy Points:
    281
    CES 2019 - NVidia Live Stream - Watch with Tech & Rogue
     
    Vasudev and hmscott like this.
  16. Dr. AMK

    Dr. AMK Living with Hope

    Reputations:
    3,961
    Messages:
    2,182
    Likes Received:
    4,654
    Trophy Points:
    281
    Vasudev and hmscott like this.
  17. Talon

    Talon Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    1,482
    Messages:
    3,519
    Likes Received:
    4,694
    Trophy Points:
    331
    Nvidia just announced they're supporting async. G-Sync for free on all monitors with a list of 12 so far that they have tested to "work" properly like their current G-Sync certified panels. Wow!

    The most amazing thing they said was the driver is coming Jan 15, and even though it's not tested by them yet, they will still enable the option in the Nvcontrol Panel to allow you to turn on G-Sync to test if your monitor will work with adaptive sync. Hoping this works on non-optimus laptops and it should. This would negate any need for G-Sync on high refresh rate laptops and really improve the gaming experience for laptop owners.

    https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2019/01/06/g-sync-displays-ces/
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2019
  18. bennyg

    bennyg Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    1,567
    Messages:
    2,370
    Likes Received:
    2,375
    Trophy Points:
    181
    Ugh. Barely looked at the first hour of RTwaffle on in the background, then of course the phone rings and the female demands my attention right at the pointy end.

    So am I right in summarising,
    RTX 2060 exactly as already leaked (boring)?
    New mobile GPUs announced as leaked with no specs (boring)?
    Nvidia starting to drop the needless adaptive sync block (is this the beginning of the end for gsync, actually interesting?)
     
    ajc9988, Vasudev, hmscott and 2 others like this.
  19. Talon

    Talon Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    1,482
    Messages:
    3,519
    Likes Received:
    4,694
    Trophy Points:
    331
    Yes
     
    ajc9988 and bennyg like this.
  20. Vasudev

    Vasudev Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    12,035
    Messages:
    11,278
    Likes Received:
    8,814
    Trophy Points:
    931
    I think RTX 2080Ti was behind the jury awards. Giving off some 2080Ti to jury members will tilt the favor for RTX.

    With Intel announcing Adaptive sync support, the competition is tough for nvidia and if they don't, people who buy budget systems will naturally tilt in favor of Intel and AMD to get Tear free gaming w/o scratching their heads on choosing GSYNC display that'll work with drivers.
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2019
    Aroc, Papusan, hmscott and 3 others like this.
  21. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    #RTXOn #RTX2060 #GeForceRTX
    GeForce RTX 2060 – RTX. It’s On.
    NVIDIA GeForce
    Published on Jan 6, 2019
    The GeForce RTX™ 2060 is powered by the NVIDIA Turing™ architecture, bringing incredible performance and the power of real-time ray tracing and AI to the latest games and to every gamer. RTX. It’s On.
    Learn More About GeForce RTX 2060: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/...


    1070ti performance for the same price (today's prices), but with 2GB less VRAM than the 1070ti with the added burden of spending even more money on the few RTX-enabled games released in 2019 - games you don't even really want - purchased only to get some value from buying that overpriced RTX GPU over the next painful year.

    2019 is the year RTX flounders about on 1st gen hardware tacking on "rays" to rasterization, down rendering games to reduce GPU / CPU load so you can then spend that GPU / CPU load to upscale it with DLSS - double processing good video into crap synthetic video.

    Tensor cores are used so that you can use RT cores, so that Nvidia can justify the existence of an RTX GPU. Instead of Nvidia improving the straight-line performance of a GTX GPU into a next generation pure 4k capable line of GPUs at the same price points, Nvidia needed the RTX scam to justify higher price points for the same results.

    Nope. Nope. Nope.
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2019
    Vasudev likes this.
  22. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    It's all about the new "BS" technology that pulls in cash, not whether it does anything useful in itself. That's what won the votes, the best cash grabbing scam.

    Another cash cow train that people can ride to rake in the bucks, literally buzzword-worthy shiny overpriced sucker bait.

    RTX - Nvidia's "hopeful" future for disposable income for 2019. :D
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2019
    Vasudev likes this.
  23. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    And Apparently RTX DOESN'T Just Work... Nvidia CES 2019!
    The Good Old Gamer
    Published on Jan 6, 2019
    That's Right Freesync will now OFFICIALLY be supported by Nvidia. Ironically, in the video earlier today, I said this was only a matter of time. This is great for PC gamers as this opens up a lot more monitor choices for everyone. The RTX 2060 was officially revealed, and... well check out my video the other day on my thoughts on that one.
    Sources:
    RTX 2060 Reveal: https://www.techpowerup.com/251236/nv...
    Nvidia Supporting Freesync: https://www.techpowerup.com/251237/nv...
    Nvidia 7nm Coming in 2020: https://www.techpowerup.com/251229/nv...
    RTings Freesync TVs List: https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/motio...


    nickwarrior5 2 hours ago
    "Hopefully people do not buy the 2060, it way too overpriced. People need to go AMD this time and vote with their wallet(if that is a appropriate price)."

    hokopl 2 hours ago
    "So now You need to have DLSS implemented to get normal framerates with ray-tracing enabled. Wtf nvidia... So rtx without upscaling is pointless. GJ"
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2019
    raz8020 and Vasudev like this.
  24. Talon

    Talon Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    1,482
    Messages:
    3,519
    Likes Received:
    4,694
    Trophy Points:
    331
    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...MATCH&Description=gtx+1070+ti&N=-1&isNodeId=1

    Ehh they said faster than a GTX 1070 Ti, and looking at those prices it would appear the RTX 2060 is quite a bit cheaper for the FE version. A lot cheaper. Either way the 1070 Ti is very much a stock 1080. So "faster than a 1070 Ti" is 1080 like performance in a 60 series card at $349.
     
    Vasudev likes this.
  25. Dr. AMK

    Dr. AMK Living with Hope

    Reputations:
    3,961
    Messages:
    2,182
    Likes Received:
    4,654
    Trophy Points:
    281
    GeForce RTX Gaming Laptops
     
    Vasudev and hmscott like this.
  26. Dr. AMK

    Dr. AMK Living with Hope

    Reputations:
    3,961
    Messages:
    2,182
    Likes Received:
    4,654
    Trophy Points:
    281
    EXCLUSIVE ANTHEM Official CES 2019 Trailer
     
    Vasudev and hmscott like this.
  27. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    The Crazy Mothership Laptop!
    Dave Lee
    Published on Jan 6, 2019
    The RTX 2080 Asus ROG Mothership is the most powerful gaming laptop design I've seen. It redefines the whole concept of portable gaming hardware.
    The GZ700 and GX701 are two of the best gaming laptops from Asus this year. With RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Max-Q laptop GPUs, these devices are crazy powerful and push out very impressive benchmarks.


    Asus Mothership Laptop

    Discussion in 'Asus' started by Dr. AMK, 12 minutes ago.
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/asus-mothership-laptop.826793/#post-10843097
     
    Vasudev and Dr. AMK like this.
  28. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    I loved how Nvidia stretched the "performance" from 1070, to 1070ti, and then heck that's really close to a 1080, so it performs like a 1080 for $349.

    I don't believe Nvidia's crap now any more than their first RTX announcement. That Nvidia graph that carefully shows the 2060 is much faster than the 1070ti is total malarkey based on "select" data that fits their narrative, not a real world view of performance.
    Nvidia BS comparison between 1070ti and 2060.jpg
    Even the leaked benchmarks all showed performance between a 1070 and 1070ti, except for a couple better scores than a 1070ti due to faster memory. The core counts of the 2060 are more like the 1070, and so unless there are specific games that do better - what Nvidia will rely on to create distorted one sided graphs like that above - I'd not get too excited until real benchmarks come out for production cards on the 14th.

    We all know that the 1070ti OC'd will make it up to a stock 1080 in many tests, so don't forget that when doing the comparison yourself. We also need to see 2060 OC vs 1070ti OC.

    I'd suggest once again to wait for independent benchmarks before buying, and don't cherry pick the best results to justify wasting money on RTX BS, *really* look at all the numbers with a critical eye, you'll come away with a better real view of what's what to make an informed buying decision.

    You can find 1070ti's with 8GB for the same or less, and that's a much better solution. Bump up to the $399 AIB price's (or more) and spend that on a real 1080 8GB, or even a nice used 1080ti, and you've really got something known with dependable results already established - even a used 10 series is a better choice at a better price.

    I wouldn't believe any of that RTX 2060 made up BS - you can't rely on it, and there are effectively 0 games that support RT+DLSS. It's all smoke, mirror's, and marketing BS to sell overpriced shiny baubles. Just like all of the Nvidia marketing BS, you've got to wait for real results.

    The pricing "starts" at $349, even if Jensen was careful not to explicitly say that this time, the AIB cards - the desirable ones - will be more expensive. Unless AMD surprises us and releases a competitive 7nm consumer GPU, then the Nvidia prices might drop.

    I wouldn't spend inflated prices on 10 series priced to gouge people - those still priced like the mining crazies were spending - if you search and are patient, there are supposed to be $2B worth of backed up 10 series channel hardware out there, it should start showing up.

    There may still be scalpers looking to skin the cash from the unwary for 10 series GPU's - I see them on that newegg like, but as long as you don't give in you won't get taken too. Search other venues, use the google shopping or other shopping tools to find sales and good prices.
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2019
    ajc9988 and Dr. AMK like this.
  29. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

    Reputations:
    42,701
    Messages:
    29,840
    Likes Received:
    59,615
    Trophy Points:
    931
  30. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    @Papusan

    The laptop power specs don't bode well, compared to the desktop RTX GPU power requirements.

    The Nvidia published power limits for the laptop GPU's are a lot lower than the desktop GPU's:
    upload_2019-1-7_12-3-13.png

    Given the 2080 FE is supposed to be 225w and base model 215w, the mobile range of 80w-150w seems a bit too low to attain full 1080ti performance in the laptop.
    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/rtx-2080/

    Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Founders Edition Review: Faster, More Expensive Than GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
    Power Consumption

    https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-founders-edition,5809-10.html
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2019
  31. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    HOLY CRAP! Nvidia ACTUALLY Did It! (Adapative Sync compatible)
    UFD Tech
    Published on Jan 7, 2019
    What's your favorite part of Nvidia's announcement? Running FreeSync with your Nvidia card? The new RTX 2060? Or the DLSS in Anthem?
     
    Vasudev, raz8020 and ajc9988 like this.
  32. Dr. AMK

    Dr. AMK Living with Hope

    Reputations:
    3,961
    Messages:
    2,182
    Likes Received:
    4,654
    Trophy Points:
    281
    NVIDIA Full Press Event at CES 2018 with NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang
     
    hmscott and Vasudev like this.
  33. Talon

    Talon Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    1,482
    Messages:
    3,519
    Likes Received:
    4,694
    Trophy Points:
    331
    You were saying?

    https://imgur.com/a/OKllN8R

    https://imgur.com/a/NvcSk5E

    https://imgur.com/a/MbR2IYZ


    The 2060 like I said can and does perform above 1070 Ti, and when overclocked matches a 1080 FTW card for $349.

    So 60 series offering 80 series performance of last gen at $349.


















    Looks like Hardware Unboxed didn't get a GPU this time around? Maybe when your channel has turned into a company that takes a daily clickbait crap on a couple big companies you get slapped. They had to source their own Intel chips last time, and it would at least appear they will be doing the same with their GPUs. Their lastest video from Steve-O is loaded with heavy amounts of salt.
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2019
    jclausius and Vasudev like this.
  34. yrekabakery

    yrekabakery Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    1,470
    Messages:
    3,438
    Likes Received:
    3,688
    Trophy Points:
    331

    Attached Files:

    Vasudev and Papusan like this.
  35. Talon

    Talon Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    1,482
    Messages:
    3,519
    Likes Received:
    4,694
    Trophy Points:
    331
    Battlefield V with DLSS Coming Soon
    Electronic Arts and DICE will shortly release an update to Battlefield V that will incorporate DLSS support, as well as additional optimizations for real-time ray tracing. Pairing DLSS with ray tracing allows gamers to get both amazing performance and ray-traced image quality.

    Testing with early builds shows that RTX performance with DLSS and ray tracing simultaneously enabled can provide comparable frame rates to playing with ray tracing disabled.

    https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-is-here-next-gen-gaming-takes-off

    https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2019/01/06/games-ces-2019/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+nvidiablog+(The+NVIDIA+Blog)

    If the option to turn off Ray Tracing and simply use DLSS is possible this will be huge as well. Competitive 144-240hz gamers will love the free performance boost and crisp image quality DLSS provides over TAA blurred garbage.

    I would guess DLSS patch coming with upcoming Jan 15th driver for adaptive sync standard/free gysnc and RTX 2060 launch.

    Next month Metro Exodus is releasing with ray tracing, and hopefully DLSS implementation soon after. Anthem will use DLSS and offer the best image quality according to their developers.
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2019
    Vasudev and Robbo99999 like this.
  36. yrekabakery

    yrekabakery Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    1,470
    Messages:
    3,438
    Likes Received:
    3,688
    Trophy Points:
    331
    Pretty sure competitive BF players were already playing w/TAA disabled using the console command, and at potato settings with the brightness jacked up. ;)
     
  37. Robbo99999

    Robbo99999 Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    4,346
    Messages:
    6,824
    Likes Received:
    6,112
    Trophy Points:
    681
    That sounds good, DLSS is definitely needed to ease the framerate woes with RTX enabled. I'm interested to see if there's any noticeable loss of visual fidelity when they implement that DLSS.
     
    bennyg likes this.
  38. Robbo99999

    Robbo99999 Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    4,346
    Messages:
    6,824
    Likes Received:
    6,112
    Trophy Points:
    681
    Some might do. I've been playing BF 1 for just over 6 months (actually maybe 8 or 9 months thinking about it) and I'm already in the top 100 in the world on PC platform for highest number of MVP's, so I'm quite competitive, but I play with maxed out visual graphics settings with only a few turned down to just high (to ensure a pretty stable 141 fps), and use a calibrated monitor for a realistic experience rather than jacking up brightness, etc - but I did disable TAA, motion blur, film grain, lens distortion (those last few don't really affect framerate). Sure, it's a competetive disadvantage not to lower settings, but some competitive players still like the eye candy, well one anyway!
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2019
  39. yrekabakery

    yrekabakery Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    1,470
    Messages:
    3,438
    Likes Received:
    3,688
    Trophy Points:
    331
    Nice, what’s your Battlefield Tracker profile?

    It’s not much of a competitive disadvantage to not turn down settings in BF1 since it doesn’t have the severe visibility issues BFV has. This is how BFV is played:

     
  40. Robbo99999

    Robbo99999 Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    4,346
    Messages:
    6,824
    Likes Received:
    6,112
    Trophy Points:
    681
    Lol, that's insane! I couldn't play with such potato settings! It's also not really fair playing it like that I don't think. I'm this one: https://battlefieldtracker.com/bf1/profile/pc/RobboTheSecond
    (Note that it doesn't list the MVP positions & other positions properly on the summary page above, you have to go to the MVP page to see it properly, it's some kind of bug I guess, so this is the one to look at for that: https://battlefieldtracker.com/bf1/leaderboards/pc/MVP )
     
    yrekabakery likes this.
  41. Robbo99999

    Robbo99999 Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    4,346
    Messages:
    6,824
    Likes Received:
    6,112
    Trophy Points:
    681
    Just catching up on this RTX 2060 launch, it's not bad, the best RTX card so far, but the cooler is almost impossible to take apart to service your card (70 screws and hot glue!).
    https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwrevie...-founders-edition-review-benchmark-vs-vega-56

    To me it makes the GTX 1070ti and GTX 1080 irrelevant unless they slash the prices of that old tech. It's essentially GTX 1070ti/GTX 1080 performance for $350 combined with ray tracing & DLSS ability, not bad, but still more expensive than previous xx60 cards. Best value of all the RTX cards so far.
     
    bennyg, Aroc and Talon like this.
  42. Talon

    Talon Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    1,482
    Messages:
    3,519
    Likes Received:
    4,694
    Trophy Points:
    331
    It absolutely made them irrelevant. For me it's the fact that newer titles, and games that love async compute like Wolfenstein 2 and the next doom all run incredibly better on RTX cards.



    One of the best RTX videos I've seen.
     
    Aroc and Robbo99999 like this.
  43. saturnotaku

    saturnotaku Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    4,879
    Messages:
    8,926
    Likes Received:
    4,701
    Trophy Points:
    431
    I said this in another thread, but I wonder how the RTX 2060 will perform in an eGPU environment. It should be a nice step up from the 1060 Max-Q in my Razer Blade even if I only game at 1080p.
     
  44. Robbo99999

    Robbo99999 Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    4,346
    Messages:
    6,824
    Likes Received:
    6,112
    Trophy Points:
    681
    Yep, that's one of the things I forgot to mention in my previous post - these RTX cards absolutely rock with Vulkan, big performance increases. That video, it makes me laugh when people run around staring at themselves in puddles, but one thing I can understand...he did say it increased the immersion level, and I get that, but you'd have to NOT stare into puddles, you'd have to just play, but feeling more immersed or real, but I can see how it can make it more immersive. Cool, lets see what the DLSS patch for BFV can do for the framerate increase with DXR enabled, if they can hit close to performance of non DXR without it looking like ass then I think ray tracing has arrived!
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2019
    Talon likes this.
  45. Robbo99999

    Robbo99999 Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    4,346
    Messages:
    6,824
    Likes Received:
    6,112
    Trophy Points:
    681
    I think it would perform measurably better, but it depends on how much your eGPU bandwidth bottlenecks GPUs with ever increasing power. I think I read that the fastest GPUs like 1080ti are really not used to their potential, whereas a GTX 1060 is better used to it's potential - vague recollection though...is that a thing? Also as your framerate gets pushed up with increased GPU power then your CPU load increases & you could run into CPU bottlenecks.
     
  46. Talon

    Talon Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    1,482
    Messages:
    3,519
    Likes Received:
    4,694
    Trophy Points:
    331
    For me it just makes that little bit of difference. I found myself running around when it came out staring at myself in puddles and reflections. It's a subtle change that just adds immersion that has become a new normal for me now. It's a step in the right direction of taking us to next gen graphics. Today it's reflections, next month it's shadows and lighting in Metro Exodus. With the 3000 series and DLSS it will be both or all at minimal fps losses. We have to start somewhere and I'm glad they are finally trying.
     
    Robbo99999 likes this.
  47. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Review: Ray Tracing For The Masses?
    Digital Foundry
    Published on Jan 7, 2019
    How fast is Nvidia's cut-price ray tracing GPU, the RTX 2060? Can it match or beat GTX 1070 Ti or even GTX 1080? And if the hardware has been downgraded for mainstream budgets, are the ray tracing features actually useful - in short, how well does it run Battlefield 5 RTX? In this detailed review, you'll get all the benches you'll need, you'll see Turing VRS technology analysed - and yes, you'll get to see BF5 running with RT enabled on the new hardware.
    Check out our deep dive into variable rate shading: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edYiC...
    John, Rich and Alex tell you what they think about Nvidia DLSS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMbgv...

    NVIDIA RTX 2060 6GB Review: Overclocking, Ray-Tracing, Thermals
    Gamers Nexus
    Published on Jan 7, 2019
    This review looks at the new NVIDIA RTX 2060 Founders Edition card vs. RTX 2070, GTX 1070, 960, Vega 56, and more.
    Article: https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews...
    Reviewing the RTX 2060 Founders Edition card takes aim primarily at gaming benchmarks, with particular effort dedicated to thermals, overclocking, power, and noise. The overclocking results are the most interesting, considering how they interact with RTX 2070 positioning, and are worth a close look when considering buying the RTX 2060 vs. RTX 2070. Vega 56 also gets testing, of course, and represents the more enthusiast OC style.
    As for thermals, power, and noise, the RTX 2060 undergoes this testing with the Founders Edition cooler and reference PCB, which is the same as a reference RTX 2070 PCB except with fewer memory modules.
    RTX 2060 FE Tear-Down: They Added More Glue and Screws
    Gamers Nexus
    Published on Jan 7, 2019
    The NVIDIA RTX 2060 Founders Edition is more difficult to open than even the previous RTX FE cards, now adding more glue to the process.
    The RTX 2060 is a significantly more competitive RTX offering than previous RTX cards, but still faces the same challenges in assembly for the Founders Edition model. There are still a lot of screws, there's still glue, but now it's more difficult to get the cooler off, thus making it more difficult to replace the thermal paste on the RTX 2060. Servicing the RTX 2060 Founders Edition model will be difficult.
    ASUS Matrix Tear-Down: Radiator Replaces Shroud (2080 Ti)
    Gamers Nexus
    Published on Jan 7, 2019
    We were the first to publicly tear-down the ASUS Matrix RTX 2080 Ti, which uses an integrated radiator and CLC inside the shroud for cooling.
    The ASUS RTX 2080 Ti Matrix is a closed-loop liquid-cooled video card that uniquely builds the ~240mm radiator (almost) into the GPU shroud, except then also centers the radiator tank towards the video card. Further, a massive coldplate is used to contact the VRAM, while traditional heatsinks are used for the VRM components. The PCB is the same as the ROG Strix.
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2019
    Robbo99999 likes this.
  48. Talon

    Talon Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    1,482
    Messages:
    3,519
    Likes Received:
    4,694
    Trophy Points:
    331
     
    hmscott likes this.
  49. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    The 1070ti and 2060 FE match performance, when they OC'd the 2060FE it matched the 1080 stock - but so does the 1070ti when OC'd :)

    It comes down to price, and avoiding the RTX BS, so getting a new or used 1070ti / RX 56 / RX 64 all around the same price would still be the better choice, no need to feed the overpricing urge left over from the crazies buying up gaming cards to collect majick numbers (crypto). :D

    From the article quoted in that video review:

    "Is the RTX 2060 worth buying, and should you upgrade your current graphics card? As usual that depends.
    ...
    I still wish prices were a bit lower, though, as an Nvdia "60" GPU going for $350 feels a bit too much like the cryptocurrency-induced pricing of 2018.

    Let's hope street prices fall a bit closer to $300 on the basic models."
    - Dream on, more likely the pricing will be hitting $399++ at retail for the desirable sku's.

    NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 REVIEW
    By Jarred Walton 16 hours ago
    https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-review/#comment-jump
     
    Talon likes this.
  50. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Why would you even…?
    Linus Tech Tips
    Published on Jan 7, 2019
    The lowest-priced RTX-capable graphics card has finally arrived, but should you upgrade, or is your money better spent elsewhere?


    NVIDIA RTX 2060 Hands-On: Ray tracing on a budget
    Engadget
    Published on Jan 7, 2019
    NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 2060 is here, months after the company unveiled the higher-end RTX 2080 Ti, 2080 and 2070 graphics cards. NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang unveiled the new GPU during his CES keynote, where he revealed that the card was powering a Battlefield V demo showing off real-time ray tracing. That's surprising, since you'd expect him to use the company's most powerful GPUs for a press conference being viewed by gamers around the world.
    Read more: https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/07/nvidias-349-rtx-2060-gpu-is-more-powerful-than-a-1070-ti/


    "RTX is available on a "handful" of games. Apparently a "handful" equals "1" o_O

    Swee Seen 6 minutes ago
    "you call this a budget ?"

    Nuj Star 4 minutes ago (edited)
    "rtx 2070 should be 349... rip-off"
     
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2019
← Previous pageNext page →