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    PLL Pinmod Overclocking Methods and Examples

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by moral hazard, Jun 24, 2009.

  1. moral hazard

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    Here, as you can see your notebook has either ICS9LPRS365BGLFT or SLG8SP512K05.
     
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    i cant find this ppl in my setfsb, what is the version that i must to have to have this ones
     
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    and i found one but it doens change nothing there, what is the problem, is block????
     
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    Open setfsb, select the PLL, click on the diagnosis tab, click getfsb, move the slider, click setfsb and upload a screenshot here.
     
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    this one of them and the other doesnt work, what i need to do? [​IMG]
     
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    dual ida doesnt work with this cpu. pin mod or a fxsi pinmod is to risk or iam wrong, because i dont know how to do it so i think i can make a big sh***.
    so after this is not possible yes. i have already a mod bios in my acer, in all the options that i have there you dont thik that can have a option to disable this?
     
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    What kind of bios does your acer have?

    Is it AMI by any chance?
     
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    I finally managed to overclock it despite difficulty but by not much, so I need your help. I compared to similar netbook (1000HE) that uses similar PLL chip to mine.

    The left is the 1000HE and mine is on the right, after changing my byte 01 to F1 from E0 I'm able to overclock but by not much, it locks up when slides more than 166/760 slides. Maybe related to PCI clock?
    Binary for E0 is 11100000 and F1 is 11110001.

    Help me moral hazard, you are my only hope :D

    EDIT: Byte 05 is changeable, so I changed it to 00 matching the 1001HE, also byte 00 is set to 01. I get slightly higher clock, downclock work like a charm too. Doing some test now
     

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    OK I try to dig out the datasheet first. I can't find anything on the web but I have contacted the manufacturer for the datasheet.
     
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    Looks like its public holiday, there is no one on IDT department. Nevermind....

    I found the ICS9PLPR427CGLF PLL files from shareware version, the older shareware allows to import it to files so I could transfer it to freeware version. But weirdly, although it shows no error and reads correctly in the shareware version, I get "PLL ID error" when I import it to freeware version, any thought?
     
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    Request - registered setfsb owner to ask for for save/load option

    For my 2510P I need to downclock before a reboot else the wifi disappears. This is done with a batch file but we see it takes 10.4 seconds to downclock from 173Mhz FSB to 133Mhz FSB!!

    Code:
    D:\faster\setfsb>..\chkcpu32 /s
    Intel Core 2 Duo M 1554MHz
    D:\faster\setfsb>echo y   | time
    The current time is:  9:01:47.57
    Enter the new time: y
    The system cannot accept the time entered.
    Enter the new time:
    D:\faster\setfsb>setfsb -w0 -u1 -q -s133 -cg[ICS9LPRS355BGLF]
    
    D:\faster\setfsb>echo y   | time
    The current time is:  9:01:58.03
    Enter the new time: y
    The system cannot accept the time entered.
    Enter the new time:
    D:\faster\setfsb>..\chkcpu32 /s
    Intel Core 2 Duo M 1195MHz
    I asked Abo, setfsb's author:

    to which I was asked to pay up 800YEN for an activation key.

    While the 10.4 second delay is annoying more annoying is the activation key for setfsb since the freeware version works perfectly well with the 2510P apart from the delay.

    So if anyone else is interested in a save/load PLL state feature or any other solution Abo has for speeding up setfsb then consider registering and asking Abo for a fix.
     
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    I have no idea :confused:


    I would like that also, if that option is added I hope it will function without having to activate setfsb with a key.
     
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    Hello, I am posting to make public my new upgrade.

    From t8100 to t9300.

    Results are awesome

    3.33Ghz!!!! with 6mb cache :D

    3dmark06 scores with DIY vidock hd5850

    from Result 11204 2407 (t8100)
    to Result 12800 2975 (t9300)

    it also needed some extra voltage to boot, very easy with a vid4 to vss pinmod
     
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    Congratulations on a great CPU overclock.

    Now with your DIY ViDock it is possible to get some more performance. Your SM 3.0 result is 4.8k, which is lower than the 5k I achieved on a HD5750 I tested on a T6600 running a x1E link. Based on the U9200 lspci output it looks like the expresscard is port2 and mPCIe is port3. In which case if you wanted the extra 15-30% performance the x1E tweak provides, and it certainly is noticable, consider obtaining a PM3N and apply the x1E tweak. That would then be a not-as-convenient mPCIe based DIY ViDock.
     
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    I know. The problem is that expresscard is mpcie port1 and port2 is my lan (onboard which can be turned off via bios) (Everest)
    I do have 2 internal mini pci-e ports (3,4) for my wifi and 3g and I dont have the extra cash to get 2 PM3N and PEH4 to get an x2 mode.
    Thanks for the interest though.
    I also get very low vantage gpu scores why?
    from 6068 (p5858) with T8100 I only get 3677 (p4147) with my t9300.
    I also did the tests (all of the recent) with 2GB of 800MHz (@887MHz) on w7 starter 32bit.
     
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    Hi. I just wanted to share some interesting information on the Intel GL40 Chipset (Express Series 4). It seems that when I use SetFSB to set the FSB to certain speeds, such as 116.6 mhz and 133.3 mhz, on a reboot the PCI frequency stays at 33.3 mhz. However if it is not at one of these "steps" the PCI frequency goes up it seems on a percentage basis. Can anyone shed light on this?
     
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    If you did get the 2xPM3N's to do a x2 setup, the could also consider applying the chipset pinmod for a lane reversed x4 link, so port4=port1, port3=port2, port2=port3, port1=port4. You'd lose the lan then. The benefit being a x2E DIY ViDock link with 15-30% more performance than x2 alone. I'm only suggesting the lane reversal mod seeing as you've done some more advanced mods already.
     
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    Finally an IDT representative helped me pinpoint which pin to overclock, and its been fruitful. I get to 2.25GHz but the memory limits its overclockability, it seems it can't go beyond 600MHz or it will get BSOD. Thaiphoon Burner don't work with 64-bit Windows unfortunately unless if I pay for hefty sum of money to them.

    But Starcraft 2 performance increase dramatically, I could play most setting at high at 1366x768 resolution. GTA IV get paltry 2fps increase but that to be expected

    EDIT: Got Thaiphoon working perfectly, set the timing higher and the result? 2.5GHz!
     
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    hiya i have an acer 6920g and wondering if there is anything eles i can do to it to make it that little bit faster.

    i have the T9300 CPU @ Clock speed of 2501 and 6MB L2

    also nvidia 9500gs m 512mb (ime wanting to upgrade this)
    and 4gb ram (not sure on specs of ram, or even if it matters)

    so can you advise me if there is anything worth doing?

    thanks
     
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    There's a dualIDA bios available for the 6920G: http://forum.notebookreview.com/win...ida-both-cores-core-2-duo-15.html#post6646598 which would get you 2.7Ghz using Throttlestop. To do a PLL pinmod otherwise requires you to identify the PLL and if it's ICS, confirm TME_READBACK status as per the first post.

    Consider a DIY ViDock for faster graphics.
     
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    You can upgrade to 9600m GT (make sure its ddr3 otherwise not really an upgrade) or fx 770m which is the same card, but you probably wont be able to see any video on your built in LCD until you start up to windows and nvidia drivers. You can still install and see everything with an external monitor.
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/acer/336145-acer-6920g-9500m-9600m-gt-swap.html#post4329228
     
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    thats sounds ok. any increase is good. can you give me any more info?

    i dont want to lose things with my laptop, in time ime going to be buying a new laptop
    Acer Aspire 8935 i want the quad core i know that there are diffrent types of this and there are 2 diffrent cooling options on this model.

    i heard that there is an option for an ATI hd4(carnt remember the rest) 1gb that has better results than the 9500gs m
     
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    The ati 4650 is also something you could upgrade to in your 6920. The 8935g is not a great laptop to upgrade to unless you try to put a ati 5870 in it which could be possible. Otherwise it is not really any more powerful than your current laptop. But this is off the subject of the thread, you should really do some more research.
     
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    i see in this block are a lot of skilled hardware freaks.
    maybe one of you can help me.
    i am looking for datasheet of my ics9lpr310-clk clock generator.
    or an interchangeable one .
     
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    Hi guys! I want to try the TME MOD to try to overclock the CPU and get an extra punch for games. Problem is, I'm not too sure how to TME MOD this feature. PLL is ICS9LPRS365BGLF but when I move the slider in SetFSB the system hangs.
    Aspire 5738G Intel Core2 Duo P7350(2.0GhZ & 1066FSB)
    Thanks in advance!!! :)

    By the way, i also tried ThrottleStop with the latest hacked bios for my laptop and all functions work. I can decrease Multiplier but not increase it. :(
     
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    Can you upload a screenshot of setfsb with the diag tab?
     
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    Well looks like TME mode is enabled, you need a pinmod to disable it.
    See the examples in the table on the first page of this thread.

    You have a second problem, you need to find what bit setfsb is changing to cause the system to hang.
    Try changing bit 2 of byte 0 (my guess). Does the system hang when you do that?
     
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    Thanks for the reply, I hope I did it as you told me.
    I changed from PLL Control Reg... upper row 02 which indicated FC and changed the Bin's input to 11111000. Then updated and applied. PLL Control Reg... 02 changed to F8 now.
    But as soon as I hit the set FSB button. Same thing happens. The screen goes black but the hard drive starts reading more than usual, nonstop, until I just hold the power button. :eek:
     
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    No, I wanted you to change the top left byte (value = 03) to 07.

    But it was just a guess. Anyway, if that causes the system to lockup, it might be the problem.
     
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    Ok, did that and yes, screen freezes.
     
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    Well I guess the first step is to do the pinmod.

    Then send an email to abo and ask him to make sure setfsb doesn't change that bit. He will probably want a donation.
     
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    Ok, thanks for your time.
     
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    Abo not bothered with any request unless you give 'donation'. Go figure...

    Back on topic, after playing around I get a good stable clock of 2.65GHz (enormous 650MHz overclock) and memory clock of 700MHz (1.4GHz effective). Everything runs great but in games it felt like everything is accelerated, the speeches especially don't have fullstops. I don't mean it sound like chipmunk but the next speeches come before the previous guy finished talking. Any ideas why did this happen? The IDT guy say the other clock (PCI, USB) is independent of the CPU clock so nothing else is overclocked
     
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    Not sure about that.

    I read somewhere that when you overclock a PS2 that happens because the timing of the game is linked to the FPS (not sure if this is true).

    I have never heard of it happening on a PC.

    Maybe the windows timer is off, dowload this and check:
    XtremeSystems Forums - View Single Post - ThrottleStop - Performance Adjustment Tool for Core 2 / Core i CPUs

    My ratio is 1 so I'm lucky.
     
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    Thanks for the info. Never heard of such problem before. My ratio raises up to 1.3 so that explains it. Don't bother me that much, framerate don't increase much but since its accelerated games feels faster so its a bit advantages in some way
     
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    nX3NTY, does your notebook have HPET support? If it does you should be able to use that instead of running off the CPU clock which will skew if you change BCLK via SW.
     
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    Hey Dufus, there are no HPET setting in BIOS. ASUS laptop BIOS always lack of everything, only their RoG board have some useful setting. Maybe there are some setting in Windows I could do? I done some digging, there is workaround for XP by using usepmtimer on boot.ini but not 7
     
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    sorry i want overclock a note hp dv6 1140 with cpu intel core 2 duo p8600.
    anone know the mode unlock the TME on mb (quanta 3628) ?
    thanks
     
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    I meant for you to see if it was available on your notebook, maybe check under ACPI. I think you'll find the lack of BIOS settings isn't just an Acer thing.

    Yeah, Windows can seem a bit odd sometimes. If you have HPET (most likely) but it's not being used by W7 try running a cmd box with admin priv's and enter the following...
    Code:
    bcdedit /set {current} useplatformclock yes
    You need to reboot for it to take effect.

    GL

    I've attached a small proggy so you can check before and if necessary afterwards.
     
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    Your prog tells me that the CPU clock is being used, but my ratio is 1 using unclewebbs prog.
    Why is that?

    EDIT: That still happens even after I used your command.
     
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    idk, would you check with RWeverything and show the HPET tab? Thanks.
     
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    Sure, here is what is written in the HPET tab:
    Code:
    High Precision Event Timers Table: 0xBFF985C0
    
    48 50 45 54 38 00 00 00 01 6B 30 39 31 37 30 39	HPET8....k091709
    4F 45 4D 48 50 45 54 20 17 09 09 20 4D 53 46 54	OEMHPET ... MSFT
    97 00 00 00 01 A3 86 80 00 08 00 00 00 00 D0 FE	................
    00 00 00 00 00 EE 37 00                        	......7.        
    
    Signature	"HPET"
    Length	0x00000038 (56)
    Revision	0x01 (1)
    Checksum	0x6B (107)
    OEM ID	"091709"
    OEM Table ID	"OEMHPET "
    OEM Revision	0x20090917 (537463063)
    Creator ID	"MSFT"
    Creator Revision	0x00000097 (151)
    Event Timer Block ID	0x8086A301
     Bit[31:16]=Vendor	Intel Corporation
     Bit[15]=LegacyReplacement IRQ Routing	Capable
     Bit[13]=Counter Size	64-bits
     Bit[12:8]=Number of Timers	0x04 (4)
     Bit[7:0]=Revision ID	0x01 (1)
    Base Address	Memory: 0xFED00000, BitWidth: 0x8 (8), BitOffset: 0x0 (0), AccessSize: Undefined
    HPET Number	0x00 (0)
    Minimum Clock Tick	0x37EE (14318)
    Page Protection & OEM Attribute	0x00 (0)
    
    Screenshot also attached.
     

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    Dufus, I have read that the HM55 do support HPET from Wiki if its accurate so I pull the trigger.... andthe command works, your program detects it and WinTimerTester is right on the money, at around 1.000. You really made my day :D Thanks man, really, REALLY appreciate it. Can't thank you enough. :notworthy:
     
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    You're more than welcome nX3NTY, thanks for the feedback.

    moral, sorry to be a PITA but I've updated the above attachment (now HPET2.zip). Would you please give it a try and tell me the clock freq. Thanks.
     
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    Yes now it looks good, telling me that HPET is being used :)
     
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