Pascal MXM GPU Upgrades

Your welcome. If anyone wants it, my site is https://www.alezka.com it's still a work in progress.

I would LOVE to know how I could improve it to better serve the after-market (Laptop) community that we largely take part in.

 

Nice website bro! It looks good and works well.
I wish you all the success.
My only suggestion (if you haven't already) is make a basic generic video in any machine on how to swap and MXM module - just to help dispel the myth that it's rocket science to do. Maybe you could also demonstrate what a mobile SLI cable looks like. Just a dummies 101 kind of thing.

 

the https certificate isnt correctly approved. The trust path is too small..

 

1. your website's SSL cert is not working.
2. pics in the slider on the home page are missing.

 

more offers shall exist. You dont offer the Gecube 1070 MXM for instance..

 

It appears to be. I have to question why it exists though. According to that article, it's expected to have a 110w TDP (down from 165) and have performance relative to that of a GTX 1070 notebook. However, the notebook GTX 1070 has a 120w TDP, so they are cutting a 1080 down to save...10w? Why even bother with another card when you can just have similar performance at a similar TDP? At this point, it's only going to add more confusion to people looking for 1080 laptops, only to find that "not all 1080's are equal". Hopefully these cards get a clearer designation than just "1080 Max Q".

 

This is probably to satisfy manufacturers selling BGA laptops with weak cooling systems now they get to have a 1080N* too and sell it at the 1080N premium price

 

Yeah for the older versions of Chrome or explorer or firefox it still does that, but if they are updated it shouldn't.

 

That's sound advice. never thought anyone would need that, but guess it does make sense.

 

Is it out yet?

 

The only option for Quadro + Xeon 12Core in this form factor is to upgrade mine.
Or moving to Desktop.

Thought Clevo will come up with new extreme socket based monster by now.
And i can't wait any longer.

Just want the best upgrade i can get regardless the cost.


What is my best available option?
Where can i get it?

10X

 

Clevo does 6c12t systems?

 

They are working for coffee lake cpus

 

Interesting

 

clevo+coffee lake

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/p750dm2-g-p775dm3-g-upgrade-with-a-coffee-lake-cpu.804006/
https://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-desktop-6-core-4-core-cpu-leaked/

" Are Intel Coffee Lake Processors Compatible With LGA 1151 Socket and 200-Series PCH?
This also brings us to the next interesting detail we are getting from this listing. The specific 6 core Coffee Lake part was tested on the Kaby Lake-S client system. Kaby Lake-S platform means that the chip was ran off a 200-series PCH based motherboard. If true, Coffee Lake would retain compatibility not only with the LGA 1151 socket but also currently available motherboards."

"Intel Coffee Lake chips were previously going to launch in January 2018 (CES). But recent AMD launches have pushed Intel to shake up their launch roadmap. The recent reports have suggested that Coffee Lake chips can launch as early as August, at GamesCom 2017. The new Coffee Lake chips will launch alongside the Z370 chipset based motherboards and would be followed by the H370 and B360/H310 chipsets at the end of 2017 or early 2018."

clevo p870km-g and clevo p870km1-g have a chipset z270

msi/eurocom+coffee lake
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...rnado-f7-with-6-core-coffee-lake-cpus.804068/

msi/eurocom+ryzen
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...rnado-f5-with-amd-ryzen-r7-8-core-cpu.801858/

clevo+ryzen
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-ryzen-possible.801836/

 

You are talking about like 6+ months from now?

I cant wait.

My current monster will stay after ill buy a new one.
We never say no to an extra station around here.

Lets say that this upgrade now worth to me 1000s times it's worth in the upcoming months.

Love!

 

I have (and always had) the last version of firefox still wrong cert ^^
I told you the real problem is that the "trust path" of your certificate is untrusted

 

I will have to look into that then. I appreciate it.

 

Any 1 knows if the new "low voltage/low TDP" 1070, 1080's will be avaiable on MXM slots?
I would like to get 90w TDP 1070 (or even two if SLI-capable) for my P870DM.

 

In what way would a TDP limited 1070 be better than a standard one which you can buy now? They're already TDP constrained as it is.

I doubt any of these will ever be seen outside of BGA thin n lights, and nvidia don't deserve your money for continuing this kind of chicanery, ODMs have been power limiting on their own for a while and now Nvidia is just making it official that its ok to pay 1080 / 1070 prices for 1070 / 1060 performance.

I'd keep an eye out for Gecube's 1070 (cheaper than MSI which you can currently do right now)

 

Pay high prices for even more crippled graphics(more milking) from Nvidia? The more of it you buy... More will come!! Laptop and desktop graphics should be the same. We ain't come there yet. Don't buy Trash!!! ODM and hardware manufacturers smile all day because of stupid buyers!!

 

Aparently the Gecube 1070 is available on ebay for 950

 

a user posted this
Details about New Nvidia GeForce GTX1070M MXM3.0b 8GB Graphics GPU Card N17E-G2-A1 Clevo MSI
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/gtx-1070-mxm-3-0b.804338/

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX1070M-MXM3-0b-8GB-Graphics-GPU-Card-N17E-G2-A1-Clevo-MSI/122471294696?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIC.MBE&ao=2&asc=40130&meid=842ebe552c844693825a48e33cd83ef1&pid=100005&rk=4&rkt=6&sd=112144267554&afsrc=1&rmvSB=true


Compatibility
Clevo

P150EM P170EM

P150SM P157SM P170SM P177SM P150SM-A P157SM-A P177SM-A

P751ZM(EDP) P750ZM(EDP) P751ZM-G P750ZM-G P770ZM-G

P775-DM1 P775DM1-G P870DM P870DM-G


P770ZM, P751ZM and P750ZM with LVDS display port can be compatible after exchange to a EDP port.


MSI



16F4 1763

GT62 GT70 GT72 GT73 GT80 GT82 GT83

16L1 16M1


Alienware


M17X R4 M17R5 and M17R6

why not p750dm or p770dm?

 

meh 900$, too much, why + 300$.. Come on, it's a lot..

 

1060 is still a good choice

 

yeap 1060 is a proper choice at the proper price, means more or less 70% of a 1070's price.
Means should be around 350-400USD shipped.
More is a complete lost of money performance wise, 1070 will give way more perf/$ ratio

 

Which 1070 MXM is better / runs colder? MSI or Gamecube one? Still waiting for SLI cappable one...

 

autoincorrect lol
There probably isn't much difference in how hot they run assuming clocks and volts are set the same in vBIOS

 

It's a shame that there will be no SLI capable MXM 3.0b Pascal cards....

 

Also a shame to get raped for $948 on a second-fiddle offering like 1070. The price is beyond retarded... More than double what it should be.

 

What is the straight from the factory price? Is there a minimum buy?

 

+ rep, this is so true, the prices are ridiculous.
They would be bought in mass if the price were at least proper (500'ish USD)

I would love to ask, but i can't find any contact mean...

 

I have no idea, but it is probably safe to say that if people are truly silly enough to drop a grand on a mid-range GPU like 1070 they are not going to offer much of a break. That's not a slam on 1070 at all, just the reality of getting gouged. The 1070 should be priced the same as what a 970M was priced and 1080 should be priced the same as what a 980M was priced, or close to the same as their desktop equivalent. You are getting less product for double the cost, and there is no value in that at all... that's called getting screwed.

 

Its a captive market though. Only Clevo make cards that fit and work in Clevos... And resellers would prefer sales of entire units

The gaming laptop enthusiast is a niche of a niche. Economy of scale is not on our side

 

do you think that mini-pcs like zotac magnus or similar products with mxm gpu could help with the economy of scale?

 

Even if it is, I dont buy double priced MXM's, and would simply sell or gift my current machine and buy a new one when I need it.
970M is good for years as far as i'm concerned ^^ bad price = no buy, and i'm a patient person.

 

They like to stick to the defense that "this took R&D costs to develop, therefore we must charge a premium", which makes sense to some degree, but I certainly would argue that it shouldn't cost twice as much as their desktop counterpart. Maybe a 10-20% price premium per card (a $400 desktop 1070 costing $440-$480 in MXM form factor).

What I would rather see, is a more refined industry standard. A universal MXM card, with a socket-able GPU that you can put into it. That way, you can buy an MXM board with a robust power delivery, and throw whatever GPU you'd like in it, and be off to the races. Sadly, this would be a nightmare from a support/warranty standpoint, and would make diagnostics for others that have the same GPU, but different MXM board, extremely tedious. Not to mention the implementation of it from an engineering standpoint might be difficult to impossible, depending on how much thickness a socketable GPU (on an MXM board) would add. Oh well, I'll keep dreaming of that kind of future, while I settle in the mean time.

 

They always have lame excuses. When there was still an MXM standard they were still gouging everyone on GPU prices. They do it because they can, not because they should. Then they validate the stupidity of BGA filth by saying there is not enough demand for MXM upgrades to worry about it. Part of what affects the demand is asinine pricing of parts. It's all a scam (BGA and overpriced MXM) designed to fluff their wallets. Block upgrades with BGA trash, or make them financially unattractive enough to force buying new stuff by hook or by crook.

 

You're telling me bro. A 1080 module should be no more than $700 at this point in time. I'm guessing the 1180 will fit this time around for an upgrade .. probably be about as fast as a 1080ti and cost about double. Let's hope the premium price of 1080's was to recover initial R&D of moving to the new 'standard' and we see some sane prices next refresh. Of course I have my doubts.

 

And that's why I've dumped the performance laptop game. It's not like how it used to be at all.

 

they have the potential to if they themselves prove to have good market reception but neither Zotac or it parent PC Partner are willing to sell these cards to end users

 

I'm right behind you. I love the P870DM3 and the Tornado F5... both are amazing products. But, I think I am probably going to be done now. There has to be an end to the stupidity. I don't replace my computers on a frequent basis. I have always found value in being able to upgrade parts on my laptops. The only way I can interpret the absurd pricing of GPUs and changing form factors is an intentional effort to interfere with that. There is not a legitimate reason for it, no matter what kind of excuses they want to offer. I think this means going back to building my own desktops like the good old days and only buying super-cheap throwaway laptops from Wal-Mart for $500 or less. It's really a shame. It was fun while it lasted.

Side note... I can access and use both of my monsterbooks, at the same time even, using my rooted $59 Amazon Kindle Fire tablet. Yeah, the small screen and touch really sucks. But, just for the hell of it I was benching the DM3 with the CPU at 5.0GHz from another room in the house. I could do the same if it were a desk anchor. You can see Steam and Cinebench in the thumbnail on Alienkiller-II.

 

Which means they are blind to this business opportunity..

 

Maybe they have a contract with certain vendors that says they are not allowed to.

 

I believe they explained it that way to someone who asked but if no one else has the model of cards they have, it is possible that they or their massive parent company PC Partner is the manufacturer and they would rather hedge their bets by selling whole Magnus units rather than individual cards

 

I found an Alienware Area 51 ALX (old design with the fins up top) that looks insanely cool, I think I will be buying it then upgrading the internals. I think that was the coolest case Alienware ever made. Guy only wants 200 for it. I'm really done with laptops.

 

Smart move, I think. The choice in awesome laptops is very limited... down to only two acceptable options now... one single GPU 15 inch and one dual-GPU in 17-inch. Not a good place for notebook enthusiasts, and with the uncertainty about what is going to happen next with GPU form factors--or other diabolical proprietary/artificial impediments that they haven't even surprised us with yet--to wrongfully coerce people into buying new machines every time something new surfaces rather than keeping what they have and upgrading it, abandoning the idea of owning nice high performance notebooks is the only predictable approach to avoiding disappointment and wasting a ton of money at this point on time.

 

The end of an Era...

 

i'm done with this... i'm switching back to a GTX 970M, and switch out to a MSI 1060 when they are cheaper.

FYI: Gecube's 1070 still has bugs, almost 90% of the users burnt their card(Mostly on the MOSFET chips).
They are recalling all the cards to find the problem, probably no news till 1month later.

 

Wow! Further evidence gecube doesn't make the zotac cards then?