Replacing laptop processor.

I have an AMD Turion 64 x2 RM-70. 2.0 GHZ

Performance is really bad. Whats the best S1 socket processor i can get?

this is my laptop btw: http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/Acer_Aspire_6530G_Laptop_LX.AUS0X.142/version.asp?PID=1247

this thing cant even do CoD4 at minimal settings

 

That looks like a pretty robust system. What do you mean by "perfomance is really bad"?

 

rm-70 should do cod 4 fine, unless you have a moster of a graphics card.

 

ATI HD 3650...

averages at about 10-20 FPS at minimum settings...

 

I am not a gamer but replacing the CPU will not make that much of a difference in cod 4 I don't think. Your GPU appears to be quite good so I would think that something else is the matter. Check to make sure that other processes are not draining your resources. There's a lot of gamers here in this forum... any one with experience with this setup...feel free to chime in.

 

Well, thats on a normal start up...

and i have 4 gigs of ram. (32 bit vista), but that shouldnt be happening.

My desktop usually has this much but thats to be expected as it only has 2 gigs of ram and is running on 64 bit vista ultimate.

 

83 processes!! Isn't that a lot even for Vista?
Here is mine with FF (4 tabs) running:

 

Yeah, the reason why your performance is bad may be because of 83 processes. I have Vista Business Edt. with a few background apps (like Norton Antivirus 2009, Realtek Audio Manager etc.) and I have 50 processes in total.

Can you paste the screen shot of the "Processes" tab under the task manager?


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You should shut off a good 20 or so background processes. Vista can run fine at 40processes, You should go to the start orb, go to the run command and type in MSCONFIG. Than shut off any programs/services/processes which are running in the background which you are not using. Your system should idle at 0% cpu usage. Since yours is idling at 10%, you have 10% less cpu power devoted to games.
Your graphics card is midrange, so it may not play all that great on it.
If cpu usage hits 90% or so when gaming, than a cpu upgrade will be beneficial. But if the game uses around say 50% cpu power than a cpu upgrade will not increase performance at all.
To find out, leave task manager open in the background while you are playing games

K-TRON

 

I have 77 processes open and my preformance is still very good. I think you have more of a problem then a cpu. I doubt the cpu is the problem because i have seen people playing COD4 on go 7600's and core duo's better then you and your hardware is more powerfull.

 

Maybe coz of background applications or some adware. I have x9000 and it could not even run COD4 properly in past even with 88m sli. Just the processor was 100% all the time. So check on that

 

Sure but now i think there is definitely a problem. Just now, after turning on my laptop it took 2 minutes to get to the login screen and windows explorer took about 30 seconds to load up.

 

85. Man thats a lot. My desktop which is running 64 bit vista ultimate only has 50.

 

My laptop has 72 processes running now ._. It does start up much slower than before but after all the start up process, it runs fast

 

Well like i said, its probably a processor issue. That or a hard drive problem.

 

Your problem is definitely software related. You should not have that many processes. In XP I have 28 processes running at the moment and everything is very quick.
You need to get down to about 45-50 processes and your laptop will be very fast.

Their is a website which states what each process is and what it does. I am having trouble finding it. I will post a link shortly
(I couldnt find the link, but this one seems decent too)
http://www.liutilities.com/products/wintaskspro/processlibrary/

K-TRON

 

Hmmmm my hard drive is a really slow 5400RPM. Could that be the problem?

 

You may want to upgrade to a higher density 5400rpm drive or a 7200rpm drive. That will greatly increase performance.

Shutting off processes will also speed things up.
Even a system with a top of the line 7200rpm drive will run slow wit 85-90 processes.

K-TRON

 

Believe me the turion RM-70 or ATI 3650 is not your problem (as others have pointed out), it is the amount of processes that you have running in memory that are slowing down your system. I have around 51 processes on cold boot and vista absolutely flies on my dv5z.

I can see from your screenshot you have some of acer's default bloatware still running in memory (empowering technology), most of them can be completely removed as they serve no purpose. On my previous acer the only acer process I kept running was launch manager (QtZgacer.exe) as that was needed inorder for the volume and wifi on/off status etc to be displayed on the screen, all the other acer software (once you have made the recovery discs in erecovery) can be stopped and removed.

I agree with K-tron's statement : "Even a system with a top of the line 7200rpm drive will run slow wit 85-90 processes" Always remember that.

 

Hmm i got it down to 67 processes on a normal startup. Not perfect but a lot better. Game performance is still bad. (averages 8-10 FPS) Except for when i change the volume on my laptop keyboard it no longer appears on screen so i have no idea what my volume levels are. Heh. Always something wrong with this thing. Performance is still a little bad but i done everything i can in msconfig

 

I have 54 processes
With: Rockstar Games Sosial Club, Winamp, TrueSuite Acsess manager Fingerprint Software, and Acustic CD/DvD Driver...
4GB ram... Vista ultimate 64-bit. You can try Vista 64bit becouse you have 4gb ram 32 bit does not use all

Edit;
Try to disable services (I have followed BlackViper) and don't use msconfig to disable but run services.msc... Becouse msconfig does not "disable" it

 

Yeah i would go 64 bit but my drivers are impossible to find, Lol.

 

Anything i can do about the processes it wont let me stop in msconfig? Also, still a bad framerate in games. (with 59 processes)

And no one answered my first question. Is my processor the best S1 socket processeor i can get?

 

Well the fastest socket s1g2 processor that you can replace your RM-70 with would be the Turion Ultra ZM-86(2.4Ghz) if you can find one.

 

can you run wprime or super pi? just to make sure your processor is behaving normaly, cos they should be capable of running cod4 at decent frame rate.

 

Hmm, thats next to imposible to find lol. Anything else?

and here are my processor specs

2000.1 MHz Clock
1800.1 MHz FSB
1024 KB L2 Cache

 

You can search ebay for any turion ultra processor as they are many on there to be found.
However I cannot promise you that changing your processor will bring an improvement in your game play; cause as others have told you (and I agree as well) your current processor and GPU should be more than capable of playing the games you listed.

 

Then whats the problem?

My low rpm hard drive? my low mhz ram?

 

Hmm.. that low fps and I'd definetly first check if my GPU drivers are okay. I've had drivers that wouldn't go into full performance mode but stayed in 2d mode in games, hence very poor performance. Try checking your clocks etc with atitool or rivatuner and try to find new drivers to test with. Not sure if laptopvide2go.com has ati drivers, though.

 

also, you can download AMD Fusion for Gaming utility. It shuts off all the unneeded processes when you start a game.

 

can you run some tests? we can't help unless you give us more details, maybe your cpu is downclocking because of high temps? run orthos for 10-20min and post a screenshot.

 

Tried orthos but it didn't install right. Some DLL problem.

Anyways i've used this other program to find out about temps for quite some time. This is on idle.




Also i updated my ATI 3650 drivers with MS update but ATI said i had the wrong driver after installation.

Would that shut off programs i want running such as firefox, messengers etc?

 

Its most likely driver issues i was running Cod4 on an 8400m at 1280 x 800 with a mix of low and medium settings and got an avg of 30 fps

 

no, it turns off windows services that slow down performance. It turns them back on the moment you exit the game. Give it a shot. Some people liked it so much that even hacked it to be used with non-AMD hardware

 

Those are some very high numbers for idle temperature , I usually see numbers like that when my notebook is under load.
Based on these numbers overheating might be the reason for your poor in game performance. As the temperature rises (while gaming) the CPU will slow down to protect itself and if you are this high on idle then it must be getting seriously hot while gaming. You might want to check the fan (and vents as well) to make sure there isn't any blockage from debris or dust.

 

This laptop is brand new. I have a lot of experience with building and taking apart desktops but none with laptops. I used rivatuner on my desktop to speed up the fans, but it wint work on this.

Also can someone link me to the latest ATI Mobility HD 3650 drivers?

Google didnt help

 

There's something odd going on for sure. Are you sure your laptop is on "max performance" mode etc ?
I don't know what windows you're using, but the new catalyst 9.2 were released a few weeks ago, try searching for that.
Run driver sweeper before installing the new ones for good measure.
(uninstall old drivers -> boot to safe mode, run driver sweeper -> boot to normal and install new drivers).

 

Yeah. This program i use to check my temperatures didn't even detect my fans. (it does on my desktop)

 

fan control on laptops are written into the mobo bios i believe, anyway you can't control fan speed on a laptop .

those idle temps look very hot! my proc max out at 65C, it is undervolted though.

 

Baghh. What could be the problem then?

And my GPU temp on my dekstop is always around 60C on idle.

 

Well, my gpu idles at ~69 and goes around 95 gaming and I still dont get that bad performance. You need to check those gpu drivers, can't imagine anything else having such a big effect on performance.

 

Uninstalled my drivers. Reinstalled. still bad.

And thats some pretty crazy CPU temps. My desktop idles on 10C for CPU

 

10C? That's 10 degrees above freezing, about 40 degrees Fahrenheit. What the hell are you cooling with, assuming that's not a typo or error?

 

Lol. Today its been down to 7C. Highest today is 17C. I just have my fans running at full speed with rivatuner. No OC'ing though. And i i didn't even give it thermal paste when i installed it.

And there i was thinking i need a good cooling case.

 

I seriously think your temperature monitor is reading from something other than the actual CPU...if not, what the hell kind of heatsink do you have on that?

 

It's an error. It's impossible for it to idle that low, unless it's that low in your room.

 

Are you sure that the CPU and the GPU runs at full speed when stressed? Have you checked?
No ATI PowerPlay messing with you? Check CCC.

Maybe try Run > msconfig and uncheck EVERY Startup program for a while, just to see the difference.

Disable Aero?

Have you updated DX9?

You really must try some other game to make any conclusions.

 

Wait a minute, CoD4 is OpenGL, not DX. Vista sometimes have issues with OpenGL.
Search for more info.

You must find a DirectX game to try first, as a comparison. Maybe some demo you can download if you don't have any other games available.
Or, try some 3D benchmarking program and compare the results.

Your hardware is fine and a 7200 rpm HDD wouldn't make any difference for FPS count.

You can use desktop drivers from ati.com, and make them work with the mobility modder.
Only problem is that you possibly won't get max speed if PowerPlay isn't working.
Then use ATI Tray Tools to set different clocks, you can make it change speed automatically when you start a game.

 

Upload appropriate screenshots of HWMonitor.

 

You should also consider doing a reinstall like described here if you don't think it's too much work.
Make a system backup so you don't have to do it all over again in the future.