Ryzen vs Intel

AMD Ryzen 7 5800H vs Intel i7-11800H - Best 8 Core Laptop CPU?
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-lake-processors.831587/page-29#post-11109962

 

A little data to backup the ryzen throttle Poop show.

AMD Is Throttling Ryzen Performance When Running On Battery [Full Presentation] (csitquestions.com)

 

And yet you continue to ignore the facts that Intel CPUs also throttle on battery as well. There are cases of AMD Ryzen 5000 H CPUs having better performance on battery than Intel's new tiger lake CPUs but most likely due their higher stock clock speed. Also the OEM can set their own rules for their laptops for Intel and AMD CPUs as well.

Anyways here are the results that matter



Its as expected, Intel has a slight advantage in gaming but like i said before you cant do any wrong going with either. This is why competition is good.

Battery life + Thermals + productivity tasks = AMD
Gaming + Thunderbolt 4 = Intel

Im looking forward to the 5900HX and 11900HK tests next.

 

And you just continue to ignore the facts.

Did you even read the link you included in your post?

BTW, 113 vs. 89 FPS is not just a 'slight advantage' either.

 

Clearly you havent watched the video at all and just looked at the thumbnail

 

Yes, they do. but thermal only. You fail to read beyond both throttle. you are blind to the fact because of fandom or something. Intel throttles their CPU ONLY when thermals are high. Ryzen throttles EVERYTHING as soon as the power cord is disconnected. To bad you can't read the entire thing and stop at well intel throttles too.
The ryzens are getting better battery life because it throttles 35% OR MORE as soon as you pull the plug. The SSD slows down, the ram slows down, if there is a dedicated GPU it's throttled too.
Too bad comprehension is not a stong suit for you.

 

Well all of this makes me feel better about going Intel again. I was worried 11th gen would be way behind AMD 5000's in terms of gaming & benchmarking performance. I don't care about battery life and I would rather control throttling by power limits and how well I can keep it cooled.

 

Wrong. Up to the OEM how they throttle it and what type HW they put into the different laptops. And this has been posted before. Please stop with wrong info.

And what is worse than kill performance with disgusting firmware, software and drivers even with the power cord connected?

There is several ways to destroy the users experience!!!

 

Fandom has nothing to do with it and i am not a fan of either brand im just going by the facts which you continue to ignore. Running any laptop on battery will impact performance and that a fact, Multiple people showed you this already. Not only OEMs set their own rules in their systems but you cant forget the battery wattage as well.

Intel 11th gen was meant to compete with AMD Ryzen 5000 series which they did a good job of catching up with AMD. Also Intel CPUs always had an advantage in gaming and the ability to undervolt if you choose. Expect worse thermals with Intel systems somewhat due to the higher power wattage though.

 

Still the OEM that determines how it is meant to work. Dell Alienware let you run the Ryzen chips at 103-105C. Even higher max temps than Intel’s chips (100C).

 

I have provided proof again and again that you are wrong.

 

For the time being and likely for many users mobile Ryzen would have to provide performance that's improved by leaps and bounds over Intel to make up for the lack of Thunderbolt (or two).

 

Funny thing is, it does not out perform when they have to throttle the bejesus out of the machine to compete in battery life. Furthermore, not giving the end user the option to turn off the massive throttle of every component of their system. Intel, however, throttles their cpu only when temps call for it.

 

I have no direct experience with Ryzen, but this sounds like a bit of a mess. I understand part of the issue is the lack of a TS-class tuning tools for mobile Ryzen either from AMD or 3rd party.

 

It is a mess. When I buy a notebook, I expect some thermal throttle of the CPU. AMD, however, throttles CPU, Ram, SSD, and video card if so equipped as soon as the cord is pulled. All in the name of trying to compete with intel on battery life. Epic Fail IMO.

 

I’ve already posted a chart that shows this not to be the case. Stop spreading this misinformation.


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And I have already posted that my information is correct with a full presentation of FACTS. Just because you choose to refute them, does not make them incorrect. Just in case you missed it, or just never read it because....you know, it does not agree with your thought.

AMD Is Throttling Ryzen Performance When Running On Battery [Full Presentation] (csitquestions.com)

 

Why not read all the reviews of Intel gaming laptops on Notebookcheck ? How bad they throttle clock speed on battery is properly showed.

Yep.

 

LMAO. That presentation was created by Intel. Get outta here.




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Get outa here...too funny! taking your ball and running home? Does not matter who does the testing....it's FACT....

NOT INTEL.....However posting the exact same FACTS.


Some AMD laptops reduce system performance for better battery life, but is that OK? | Windows Central

BTW, nice cherry picking....Cinebench does not show it because of latency issues. To bad you never read the intel presentation. I see, an alternative facts guy....GOT IT.

 

That is because they don't. they thermal throttle. good try though.

 

Maybe visit the tests A good start http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/ryzen-vs-intel.836144/page-8#post-11107102

Even the blinds can see the differences… http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/ryzen-vs-intel.836144/page-10#post-11108412

 

3 points of view and none willing to consider evidence contrary to their respective positions.

Sounds extremely productive, please do continue

 

Since that Windowscentral article is trotting out Geekbench, I ran it on my AMD-based Legion 5 Pro and Intel-based Yoga 2 Pro. Vastly different types and generations of CPUs, but we can look at the performance drops between AC and battery. Both laptops run on their balanced power profiles.

Single/Multi | AC/Battery

Legion 5 Pro: 1462/7161 | 856/5173, decreases of ~41% and ~28% in single and multi-core, respectively

Yoga 2 Pro: 632/1303 | 304/672, decreases of ~52% and 48% in single and multi-core respectively

 

On my tweaked setup on the GE76 111980HK, while on battery CPU R23 is 18% slower than my AC, while I wish there was no throttling that doesn't seem that bad to me considering I can pull 106+ watts from the CPU alone while on AC. Some batteries just may not be capable of such things..

AC 14,398
Batt 11,870

Stock on AC it was 11,293 so if you compare my stock AC with battery now I got a 5% increase on battery lol.

We can play with the numbers as much as we want, in the end it comes down to how you'll use the computer and what its cooling and configuration capabilities are. So many variables and the manufactures playing games with power/thermals/battery. While I value battery CPU performance at 1 on a 1-10 scale, another person may value it higher. What I wouldn't like is a quick power loss at my house to turn into a crashed game or literally every component slowed down due to someone else's opinion of how my machine should be performing on battery.

 

And what happen with the CBR23 score or Cpu power consumption if you run Heaven benchmark simultaneous to stress the graphics card on the battery?

Yep. But sadly, some can't or don't want to know. Or more like an ostrich putting its head in the sand and hope for the best.

 

Cinebench dont have any latency issues whatsoever. When running a test it forces the CPU to run at 100% usage and the chart showed that Intel CPUs throttle on battery as well and the reason for that because laptop batteries simply lack the wattage to handle it and also it has nothing to do with thermals as you keep saying. We used non-biased sources like notebookcheck, jarrod, and testing our own systems and yet you continue to ignore it. Again running any laptop on battery will impact performance and its been that way for a long time...

Agreed but the Alienware have a bad cooling system like most Dell laptops. Here a video of the m15 R6 (Intel) easily reaching 100C when running Cinebench

Certain people just refuses to listen to that fact.