SSD Thread (Benchmarks, Brands, News, and Advice)

Hi there.

It is true that SSD incomptible with Windows XP OS?
I heard that it will break your SSD?
They recomend me to use another OS.

 

I know that SSDs perform best wit TRIM which WinXP doesn't support.

Hopefully someone can stop by with more details.

 

Without TRIM, your SSD's performance will degrade as time goes by.

To benefit from TRIM, your rig must meet these 3 conditions:

1. Having an O/S that does support TRIM;
2. A Storage Controller that does support TRIM;
3. An SSD that does indeed support TRIM.

As Windows XP does NOT support TRIM, your SSD running Windows XP WILL degrade as time goes by.

However, you can mitigate the lack of TRIM support by following the appropriate link in my sig.

For instance, I work with a RAID pile, and there's no such RAID controller (Storage Controller) that does indeed support the TRIM command; there's no actual RAID controller capable of passing the TRIM command from the O/S to the SSDs that ARE PART of the RAID pile. Therefore, I do not benefit from TRIM, and my drives are perfectly well working; as a matter of fact, they're working much better than some newer SSDs that are not even in RAID, much better than some newer SSDs that DO benefit from TRIM.

Hope this helps.

Cheers !

eYe

 

Someone said that he uses garbage collector

 

Idle
Time
Garbage
Collection

Not good enought!

Read this...

 

I have TRIM disabled in Windows 7 because SSD is degrading noticeably when TRIM is on and everything works fine, so it would work fine under XP. Just check if SSD supports ITGC (usually just garbage collection).

 

I have read that too.

So, how I should set up my SSD, with TRIM or without TRIM?

What do u think about this?[ "ITGC/GC (Idle Time Garbage Collection)"]

http://thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/optimization-guides/ssd-performance-loss-and-its-solution/

 

If TRIM works then leave it on, but in my case (or on XP/Vista) there's only GC left.

It is a good explanation how stuff works.

 

Ok, you have XP, that makes sense, I asked you because you said previously that you had disable TRIM on win 7.

 

A good example of the effectiveness of ITGC is seen in OCZ Revo drives where there is no TRIM whatsoever, yet there hasn't yet been a complaint of any performance degradation with these PCIe cards whatsoever.

There are many that believe effective ITGC makes TRIM second nature and many examples of effective RAID configurations that demonstrate such.

 

No, I don't have XP, I have Windows 7 and TRIM is disabled.

my case == Windows 7 and TRIM disabled
other cases == XP or Vista

 

Unfortunately, the fundamental said otherwise. Either the SSD deduce which block is no longer use or TRIM tells it so and TRIM is always better than whatever algorithm used.

 

Intel all the way! i just love em because they are so reliable. just wanted to throw that out there.

 

And in my turn want to add that today I found that Crucial SSD m4 64GB has such power consumption:
Power Consumption (Active): 0.15W
Power Consumption (Idle): < 65 mW
while OCZ Agility 3 has this one:
Power Consumption (Active): 2.7W
Power Consumption (Idle): 1.5W

So HUGE difference!

 

Posted this over in the Crucial M4 0009 firmware update thread but thought I would add it to the benchmark thread since this is a sticky and that thread will probably die in a few days. This is on the 128gb M4 with 0009 firmware using the intel sata 6g port on my Asus p8p67-m pro motherboard.

 

I heard new firmware increases speed on them even up to 500 MB/sec
What were your speeds before new firmware?

 

Not really sure as I was using a marvell controlled port on my motherboard, only to find out after the 0009 firmware that it was crippling my speeds. Using it I could only hit 350mb/s seq read even with the new firmware.

 

Yeah I have just read that thread

 

hi guys i need an advice for this

if you're going to choose, what will you choose

Corsair SSD Force 3 120GB ( not the GT ) or Patriot SSD Wildfire 120GB?

as it is both quite a good competitor... i know, corsair had a problem with their SSD force 3 and recalled them, now in the market only the revision remained... and it is safe by the reviews i read these past 2 days...

then Patriot SSD has a solid speed, and handle better with compressible data... but it is worth the 50 dollars in price from Corsair SSD force 3 120GB?

actually i want an M4, but no distributors picks the ssd products

 

Well both of those use Sandforce controllers which still have issues. Many have been resolved, but there are still some outstanding and Sandforce seems to enjoy making the customer beta-test everything for them. The M4 is a good choice, you could check Amazon or similar if you are having trouble finding one.

 

how about Sata II drives? is it noticeably faster than SATA III ? it is really hard to ship from amazon to indonesia... i've tried it, it takes about a month even more to get the item...

i would go for sata II sandforce if the issue is not too severe like sata III drives...

how about Corsair Force sata II drives?

 

SATA II Sandforce drives were better, but still not great. They typically don't cause BSOD like the SATA III Sandforce drive. They do however have the wonderful tendency to die 2-3 months in. It seems if you get past that point your chances of success are good. Mine's been going for 9 months now, though it has noticeably slowed as seems typical of these drives too. Secure Erase time...

Indonesia, I see the issue in shipment. So you can only get Sandforce drives? How about something from last year like the Crucial C300? That's still a very solid drive, the king of 2010 SSDs really. Intel has some good offerings too, the 320 (Sata 2) and 510 (sata 3) series drives are good, although there is a rare bug with the Intel 320 related to sudden power losses.

 

the bad news is , crucial and samsung didn't have distributor in indonesia... intel has distributors, but, sadly price for intel is too high... about 50% more than other drives. including tax i can only have 80GB intel Sata II for 200 dollars

 

Yea, that's actually about right for Intel. Maybe a bit high, but not massively unless we are talking the 320 series. Either way, you are in a tough spot.

 

Maybe you can try eBay???

 

Question time - for music related "stuff" (production, DJ'ing, etc), is an SSD going to make a noticeable difference?

 

Yeah, ask davepermen.

Especially in being free from the fear of bumping/jostling the system when the storage subsystem is being accessed.

Also in how quickly it can load/queue sounds/effects in real time.

But, like I said - davepermen will give you more detailed reasons for an SSD - I'm sure he'll be here soon.

 

hehe, just stumbled in by accident.

very fast trackloading (and no system freezing while doing so) is one gain. the startup of the apps/sets can be quite disk intensive (in ableton live), and need fast random access (traktor). both gain a lot from being on an ssd.

other than that, being on stage and never have to care about dropping the laptop (stepping over the wires) killing it, or actually the subwoofers killing it trough vibrations is a big gain, too, of course.

i personally got an 160gb ssd for my dj+everything else laptop. even with wavs, i never get close to filling it.

definitely a worthy investment.

 

First time ssd user... and never goin back to hdd ever again haha. Anyways..

Just wondering if the size of the temporary internet files is important. Some people say to limit it to 50mb, others say to leave it at 250mb. Does it even matter for a ssd? Will it cause some wear since temp files are being written?

 

wear is not an issue. so that doesn't matter.

so the only thing is, if it uses too much storage to have enough free space, then it's an issue. which it shouldn't, ever, too (the ssd shouldn't get 100% full anyways, else it's too small).

so no, don't bother.

i never bothered in the years i have ssds in use. no harm.

 

Ahh i see. So then constant writes like antivirus updates that update every hour shouldn't hurt it either?

 

In this case I would set it up to 400MB. Why not? It really dowsn't matter because if you set it to 50MB data will be oftenly rewritten but if you set it to for example 1000GB it also won't change the situation because in that case every even rarely used file will be put in cache instead of very very rarely used one. So it is impossible to count this.

Security is better than lifespan.

You can use up to 30GB writing on SSD every day for 2-5 years depending on size etc. Just don't forget that still making some counter measures will increase lifespan. Just don't be too paranoid. Use tweaks everyone says about and don't try to figure out new.

 

no. that's like saying eating or breathing hurts. it's part of the ssds daily business, it's reason to exist, and it's way to work. it's made for this.

no need to change anything. it just works.

 

Thanks Dave and James for the input. People on the internet really do know how to make a person paronoid haha.

 

New firmware 009 makes the Crucial M4 the fastest SSD.

Crucial m4 | Trace-based benchmarks | Core | Tweakers.net Reviews

 

But somewhy iometer shows not good results for bigger depth

 

you are seeing a iometer test pattern for file server. It is in general irrelavent for consumer oriented SSD.

 

Would be VERY interesting to see M4 64 GB version on such kind of tests. I am going to have such one soon (in a 3 weeks).
Especially write speeds.

 

do it yourself when you get it

It really is irrelevant as SSD for file server is basically wrong thing for the task.

 

I was talking about other benchmarks. None site puts 64GB versions in benchlists.

 

Hey phil, do you know if with 0009 you can use intels RST? without having freezing that happen with 0001/0002, i mean without doing the registry hacks? Im waiting for the PM830 but with this firmware update seems a really sweet drive, and 256gb at $390 seems decent buy, not sure if the samsungs will be as cheap or as fast, but i do want to use Intels RST, and use the intels ACHI instead of the MSACHI.

 

Can you give me any link so I will read about this?

 

RST works fine with FW 0002 and 0009...FW 0002 was specifically directed as a fix to the LPM freezing issues.

Used RST on both FW myself, no worries.

 

Thanks for the info, really appriciated. I just ordered 256GB M4 .

 

Enjoy it. My friend just installed his 128GB M4 after I told him it was the one to get an Newegg put it on Shell Shocker a few weeks ago (dunno why he took so long to put it in, lol). He loves it so far. And I love mine despite it's 4k issues that I ought to investigate.

 

What 4K issues?

 

O my 4k randoms are not up to spec (16R/32W -> far from the 25/75 ish range), but it seems particular to me only, plenty of people have my system and drive running full-bore. I probably did something stupid. Note: NOT an issue with the drive. Just me

 

Mine is 16 r/ 35 w in my W520. And is operating very well as it is in a laptop.

I don't think you normally find faster 4ks in a new sandy bridge laptop with all its power saving settings.

Perry

 

Well as I said, those with my exact system (even the same CPU) are getting quite a bit better randoms. And mine were run on performance power last time just in case that was it...a mystery for another day.

 

I'm looking to buy my first SSD. Is this my best option?

Is the Vertex 3 one I should consider as well?