SSD Thread (Benchmarks, Brands, News, and Advice)

Could you please kindly provide some confirmation for this? 2TB m.2 drives are almost non-existant and extremely expensive, while 2TB mSATA drive may fit inside some machines with m.2 2280 slot using an adapter.

 

Holy virgin mary and her magically born child christ.... those seq and 4k speeds are absurd

 

Hello @Starlight5,

although i'm sure to have seen a SSD T3 review in english with pictures i can not find that now. The reviewers didn't dissamble it. However, you can have a look at this german review:
https://www.golem.de/news/portable-ssd-t3-im-test-2-tbyte-fuer-unterwegs-1602-119272.html

The attached pictures show that it is one mSATA drive with an MGX labelled controller. They say it has 48 Layer 256 GBit TLC Flash (V-Nand v3) and 2 GByte of LPDDR3-1866, not LPDDR2, which is very good regarding energy consumption.

 

@Kommando thank you very much!

Are there any m.2 2TB drives available, other than 960 Pro?

 

Unfortunately not. I searched for a 2 TB m.2-SSD long enough, but there is only one available: the overpriced 960 Pro. Thats why i ended up buying the 2 TB 850 Evo (SATA).

 

@Kommando sadly newer machines of size and form-factor I favor mostly do not have 2.5" slot at all, so I will have to embrace the stupid form factor. Would be great if at least mSATA fits inside the notebook I just ordered, to save me some $$$. Major problem with m.2 is that there are no refurbished enterprise drives for sale, and when they appear - those will be 22110.

 

You can have a look on the Micron SSD 5100 (Evo, Evo TCG, Pro, Pro TCG). Just found them. They are either new or flew kinda under the radar, because they are available not with 2 TB, but with 1.92 TB. In 2280. The price is okish ranging from 765 - 973€ . Maybe less in the US. The SSD T3 costs a bit less, but you need an additional adapter.

Either way they are far less expensive than the Pro.

 

Those 2 2TB m.2 drives cost more than the laptop itself... The price is absolutely vulgar...

BTW, is thjere a 2TB mSATA drive?

 

@TomJGX there seem to be one, hiding inside Samsung T3 external drives. Would you free it out of its prison and put to good use inside your laptop? (=

 

ATTO Disk Benchmark of my 2x 2TB Samsung 960 PRO in Super RAID 4 with a 128K Data Stripe Size:

 

@Phoenix: My drive is blown out of the water instantly. I feel extinction of my drive is in list extinct drives.

 

Lol, I'm not looking for more storage now but will keep this in mind..

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what is % i have to un-allocated space

 

Something around 20% won't be wrong.

 

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Curious where the SSD subforum went to?

 

There was a merger of the sub-forum, there have been a few of them where needed.

 

Interesting. I would have guessed the Super RAID-4 would be more than ~50% better on reads, and the single drive isn't that far off on writes of larger test files. I was testing some on ATTO to get a reading on heat and possible throttling. I thought I saw something about ATTO and heat from a post by @Papusan.

In any case, here are my results with a single 1TB 960 Pro (fwiw, HWMonitor reports max of 50 C during the run)

 

The old lady Samsung 950 Pro is faster up to 16K But smoked above by single 960 Pro as expected


Same for @Phoenix 960 Pro Super Raid

 

you guys gotta stop testing at QD of 4 lol, start testing with QD2 and smaller block sequential test data, this help understand how SSD perform with small sequential files at lower QD. too bad ATTo can't do QD1, lowest is QD2.

 

you can use crystaldisk mark for custom Q's & T's.

 

crystal disk mark is a joke imo, it gives the highest performance possible after running like 3-5 test samples because the old test gets covered up by newer ones, and also there are no ways of changing test file size, smallest is 50MB. maybe theres some file/settings we can adjust to make it smaller.

 

I like ATTO Benchmark. It push NVMe ssd's in thin and flimsy up to throttling Let people with mentioned Jokebooks run it 3 or 4 times in a row and you will see the scores jump everywhere

 

LOL i see thats your intention hahah. in that case change the test size to largest, and dont stop at 8MB, go all the way to 64MB or something. SSD use most power when doing maxed out sequential write performance and keeping it going on for a minute will ensure it start throttling.

 

Of course. A fast ssd is all they can brag about But it will fail in thin and flimsy Even in some thicker models.

Spoiler: Fail at life

New benchmark with the 950 installed:

 

On stock ATTO disk scores are little low on continuous workloads and I have instant throttling with temps hitting 80C.
After applying some layers of thermal pads the temps are reduced to 70-75C when ambients are over 30C.

 

Hopefully this is the right thread and if this question has been asked 3 billion times before I hope you'll bear with me!
What wanted to ask is whether there is a marked difference between an m.2 sata ssd (samsung 850) vs an NVMe one (960 evo or the likes). I'm currently rocking a 7 year old laptop with a 5400 rpm old and tired hard disk so any kind of ssd would be otherworldy to me in terms of performance but since I plan on getting a new lappie with a slot for an NVMe ssd and one for a sata I wanted to ask whether it's worth forking over the ~70€ difference. I would game but not many AAA games and my work would mostly be photo editing on either capture one or lightroom. I was pretty certain on the NVMe but if the performance difference is negligible for what I'm going to do I don't mind saving a bit of money in the slightest.

 

Some research (googling!) I did on this topic a while back made me conclude that there is no practical difference between SATA 3 SSD's and NVMe SSD's - boot times, application load times, game load times, they're all the same. NVMe does shine when working with large files though. Do you work with/move large files regularly? I see you do photo editing, but I'm guessing a photo is only a few megabytes, so I'm thinking NVMe wouldn't help you here. If you were doing video editing with large sized videos I would imagine NVMe might help, but I don't have any personal experience with that. Getting a modern SSD of a more than big enough size for a good price is normally the best consideration. NVMe drives can also overheat quite easily in laptops which leads to throttling of the drive, which can make them very slow indeed resulting in normal SATA 3 SSD's performing better in such cases.

 

The Intel Optane SSD 800p Review: Almost The Right Size-Anandtech.com

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Intel Optane SSD 800P Review-Tomshardware.com

Final Thoughts;

The low-capacity 800P SSDs might stand a chance if their performance was more in line with the 900P. Without a custom driver, the low-capacity drives are only slightly faster than NVMe SSDs in some areas, and slower in others. We don't see a clear all-round performance advantage that compels us to buy an Optane 800P.

PROS

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  • Cache SSD with Optane Memory or third-party software

CONS

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  • Too small for most users
  • No custom NVMe driver
  • Weak performance

VERDICT
The Optane SSD 800P 58GB is the size of a good cache drive designed to be your primary storage. This is a great update for your system if you have an older PC with System Response Technology.

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Intel 800P Optane SSD review: Bleeding-edge pain without bleeding-edge gain-Pcworld.com

Conclusion
In spite of its high price, the previously reviewed 900P, with its stellar performance and virtual lifetime guarantee, is a tempting buy for enthusiasts. The 800P, on the other hand, is most decidedly not. In pricey RAID combinations, its longevity might make good sense in the corporate world, but that’s not our realm of expertise.

The average user will be much better served by NAND-based NVMe drives, which are far cheaper, will deliver significantly better all-around performance, and offer enough capacity for a world where digital stuff is ever-expanding in size.

 

My jokebook passed 64 MB. My jokebook is no joke. It's good jokebook.

 

but your joke book is MSI put a lot of work in heatsink more than any other brand in the market. the only thing they have that is considered a joke is BGA cpu and locked bios, other than that everything else in MSI lappy is of a higher quality.

which is why im eager for next gen tornado F7, 17" 8cores with MSI desktop cpu, i wanna see it destroy clevo.

 

However no news about F7


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Is there such a device that can combine two 2.5" SSDs into a single mirrored HD powered from a single SATA interface?

I am not referring to a NAS, but a stand alone device that can be connected to a PC's 3.5" HD slot.

thanks

 

@jsteng yes there is. But no TRIM in this scenario.

 

Why Did Intel Even Make This? – Optane 800P SSD

 

@Starlight5,

Is not having TRIM a bad thing for such a device?

thanks!

 

@jsteng yes. You will need to OP it more, at the very least, and it will still have negative consequences in the long run. Whether this problem is negligible or not, is for you to decide.

 

MSI showcases ultra-fast PCIe storage solution for mainstream consumers

Typically when we think of high-end PCIe storage solutions, these are designed for Intel’s HEDT platform – users with X299 motherboards and up to 18-core CPUs. However, at its press event in Amsterdam, MSI showed off its Gaming Storage card, bringing ultra-fast PCIe RAID 0 performance to its mainstream desktops.

At first glance, the Gaming Storage add-in card may look like a typical blower-style GPU – it has a black shroud, PCIe x16 connector and is roughly the size of a graphics card. However, there is more to this card than what meets the eye.



Essentially, the Gaming Storage card is a way for consumers on the Z370 platform to combine two M.2 PCIe SSDs in RAID 0 for ultra-fast performance. It does this by interfacing directly with a CPU’s PCIe lanes – instead of using the PCH – for uncompromised performance.

And uncompromised performance is certainly what you get. We saw a live demo of the Gaming Storage card – equipped with two Samsung SM961 SSDs – hitting over 6600MB/s sequential read speeds and almost 3000MB/s sequential write speeds. A single drive, by comparison, only offers around 3000MB/s reads and 1100MB/s writes.

According to MSI’s testing, this has a real-world benefit for loading large 4K videos and also for loading files into Photoshop. MSI tested the total time taken to load a 48GB 4K video file, and with a single M.2 PCIe SSD it took 5:40, while that was cut to just 1:59 with the Gaming Storage drive. Similarly, loading a 39GB file into Photoshop took the Gaming Storage card just 4:06, while a single SSD took 7:21.

At the moment, however, the Gaming Storage card is only available in select Aegis 3 and Aegis Ti desktop models, depending on configuration, so you can’t buy the card on its own. It also requires the Z370 chipset to allow for the CPU’s PCIe lane allocation to be divided between the Gaming Storage card and any installed GPU.

Nonetheless, I think it looks like a very interesting product, the likes of which we have not really seen before. For content creators on the Z370 platform in particular, the additional speed could prove a real benefit, so perhaps we will see MSI releasing a standalone model in the future.

KitGuru says: While it doesn’t look like consumers will be able to buy the Gaming Storage card by itself, I think its a very clever idea that would appeal to many content creators who can’t afford to buy into the X299/X399 platforms. How would you benefit from the Gaming Storage card if you had one?

 

Intel Previews True Optane M.2 SSD Geared for Enterprise-Tecpowerup.com
At the Open Compute project Summit, Intel previewed their upcoming Optane SSD DC P4801X, the company's true M.2, Optane-based SSD for enterprise deployments.

Intel Previews Optane Enterprise M.2 SSD-Anandtech.com
At the Open Compute Project Summit this week, Intel previewed their upcoming enterprise Optane SSD in the M.2 form factor, currently planned to be named the Optane SSD DC P4801X.

 

Samsung Reveals M.2 Z-SSD
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/intel-optane-900p-ssd.810226/page-18#post-10701935

 

EVO 960 require over positioning or its already done by Samsung


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Look at LBA values and you will see 488,xxxx or 500,xxx, value which means there are some spare flash media that can last upto 10 DWPD.

 

Some of the SSD Gurus on here advocate 30% over-provisioning as a matter of course to get the best performance, but I'm not sure if that is true with the latest NVMe SSD drives, but it was definitely a thing with the SATA SSD's. If you're not using all the space, you may as well over-provision as much as you can. You can always free up the over-provisioned space later when you need the space.

 

New or old doesn't matter. In practice, an SSD’s performance begins to decline after it reaches about 50% full. If its latest NVMe or yesterdays ssd's doesn't matter. Rather OP your ssd than fill it up

Some info...
Test at anandtech showing results of different OP settings

TechSpot-Understanding SSDs: the need for TRIM, overprovisioning etc

Seagate article explaining Over provisioning benefits

 

Guys i got a Crucial MX300 which offers SED, and an HP430 Ultrabook.Not sure if it includes a TPM inside. So how do i enable hard disk encryption on Hardware BIOS level to encrypt the full contents of my drive

 

Use crucial executive to enable SED.

 

How hot is too hot on an NVMe SSD? Looks like mine throttles when getting thrashed.

 

88c is pretty hot, but not the hottest NVME I've seen posted, 100c and around that and over has been seen. Of course it thermal throttles much earlier, like 70c?

That's why I don't recommend NVME drives for high performance sustained use, without additional cooling they heat up too quickly for long transfers or access.

 

Honestly I think it would have gone higher if I did several back to back rounds of testing, but in reality I will never really be thrashing it that hard in my actual daily use. Either way, no complaints as far as the speed is concerned.

As I am new to SSDs in general, I've never had to deal with cooling them, but I've got some thermal pads and other tools I can probably get the temps down a touch with.

 

The little M.2 SATA SSD's get hot too, but it's much less than the NVME, they are stratospheric in comparison. It's really a scandal that vendors put out these units without any passive or active cooling, especially since they get as hot as CPU's or bridge chips - which get passive and active cooling.

That's why I recommend getting SATA M.2's for 1/2 the price, or 2x the storage for the same $ as NVME, the NVME throttle when under real sustained use - so where's the speed advantage if they throttle to slower than SATA SSD's?

For most uses most people aren't going to see a real wall-time improvement worth paying 2x as much for anyway.

Thermal pads only work if the structure is metal and can conduct heat away, or if you have some way to create air movement over the device. There have been reports of thermal pads making it worse...so watch carefully the temperature. The confounding thing is vendors remove thermal monitoring from their SSD's too, so you might need to put in a thermal probe to get an accurate reading.

The controller CPU on the M.2 board is what gets hot, the NAND gets warm, but the controller gets hot, FYI.