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    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Greg, Oct 29, 2009.

  1. cosmok

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    No luck, a little over my head I think
     
    cosmok, Dec 20, 2009
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  3. thllxb

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    Except those native IDE solutions, most 1.8" SSDs have a SATA-TO-PATA bridge chip to convert the native SATA interface on the controller to the PATA interface, which is smililar to those RAID SSDs in terms of hardware architecture.
    However, TRIM is not supported in any RAID SSDs, even though the controller in every one of the SSDs can.
    Does this problem exist in bridged PATA SSDs? Can those PATA SSDs with stp bridge chip support TRIM in WIN7, provided that their controllers can?
     
    thllxb, Dec 20, 2009
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  4. davepermen

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    i don't think the pata protocoll knows trim at all, so it wouldn't even get to the ssd, no matter if it has a bridge chip or not..
     
    davepermen, Dec 20, 2009
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  5. sgilmore62

    sgilmore62 uber doomer

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    Ran command prompt as administrator and typed winsat disk.

    [​IMG]
     
    sgilmore62, Dec 20, 2009
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  6. davepermen

    davepermen Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    oh cool. that way one gets more detailed info. i have to explore that!! really nice.
     
    davepermen, Dec 20, 2009
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  7. vostro1400user

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    [​IMG]
     
    vostro1400user, Dec 20, 2009
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  8. rae8836

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    Re: Updating Intel x25-m microcode:
    Attempted update on HP dv7t with SSD connected as second drive. Update CD booted and appeared to run without problems but SSD was not found. Tried many different things over about 2 hours with no success. Finally switched SSD to first drive connector. Successful update! Turns out the first drive connector is channel 1 on the controller and the second drive connector is channel _4_. I guess the Update CD doesn't search down that far.......
     
    rae8836, Dec 21, 2009
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  9. davepermen

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    tested winsat on some random laptop drive..

    got 4.1, 2.9, 4.1, 4.2, 1.9, 3.9, 1.9

    and yes, it feels that slow :)

    interesting things that it measures :) i like the latency 95th percentile :) not exactly sure what it does, but it's nice :)
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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  10. vostro1400user

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    how is your intel 160G G2 winsat score?
     
    vostro1400user, Dec 21, 2009
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  11. davepermen

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    no clue. give me a g2 drive, and i'll test :)

    well, the g1 isn't at hand right now, i'll have to test it in .. 10h?
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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  12. sgilmore62

    sgilmore62 uber doomer

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    95th percentile latency means the highest 5% of latencies are filtered out leaving an average latency for the remaining 95%.
     
    sgilmore62, Dec 21, 2009
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  13. davepermen

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    now no one can bash winsat anymore, tons of info there (just ran formal).. how did i have missed that for years?? :)
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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  14. Cape Consultant

    Cape Consultant SSD User

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    Here is mine.
     

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  15. vostro1400user

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    max latency seems horrible for intel G2, something wrong?
     
    vostro1400user, Dec 21, 2009
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  16. davepermen

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    i guess some other app nearly blocked the disk for short?

    and that might be why it tests the 95%. for general usage, it's very important what most of the time happens. a single peak can kill the max measurement, but not the 95% measurement.

    but it's just a guess.
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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  17. Cape Consultant

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    CRAP, that is a lousy MAX Lantency. I wonder what caused it? All is good with the drive to the best of my knowledge.

    I usually have a few programs opened and gadgets and all that. I will have to try again.
     
    Cape Consultant, Dec 21, 2009
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  18. hollis_f

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    Here's my 160Gb G2 with latest firmware, but not had the optimiser run on it.
     

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  19. Cape Consultant

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    Damn, crappy again. Plus my random read is HALF yours. ??? Gonna run optimizer now and rerun.
     

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    Cape Consultant, Dec 21, 2009
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  20. Cape Consultant

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    Better Latency, but still same bad read speed. Anyone know Intel's phone number ? :) I knew I should have done a fresh install with alignment :) I want more read speed and think I should have it.
     

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  21. davepermen

    davepermen Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    haha.. you want to see a cape in panic? look no further :)

    yes, the reinstall of your system is pending. when's your free time? :)
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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  22. DetlevCM

    DetlevCM Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    just typing "winsat disk" or "winsat" just gives me an error...
     
    DetlevCM, Dec 21, 2009
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  23. davepermen

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    yeah, has to be run from an elevated command promt.
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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  24. hollis_f

    hollis_f Notebook Consultant

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    Not sure if my SSD is aligned properly. From all that I've read it'd be a surprise if it is. I originally had a 500GB HDD with Vista-64 bit (and a recover partition). Used Acronis to clone that to the SSD, then did an in-place upgrade to Win7 over the top of Vista. All the things you, supposedly, shouldn't do.

    Do I fret about it probably not being aligned? Not while it seems to be working properly.
     
    hollis_f, Dec 21, 2009
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  25. davepermen

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    on the intel, alignment is not a big issue at all. i guess it's more his state of the os resulting in some peak latency, and some other issues.
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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  26. DetlevCM

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    I did do right click and run as administrator.

    And it tells me the "Device Number" or how I should translate that is missing...
     
    DetlevCM, Dec 21, 2009
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  27. davepermen

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    maybe it's a bit different on win7?
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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  28. DetlevCM

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    it must be... although in theory if I run the "help" comman - winsat disk" does exist....

    Edit:
    And "winsat dwm" works... so does "winsat mem" - I wonder if that links in to the problem in my signature...
     
    DetlevCM, Dec 21, 2009
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    no clue.. but REINSTALL!! :)
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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  30. DetlevCM

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    I don't want to... or I sacrifice some sequential read performance and switch AHCI off again...
     
    DetlevCM, Dec 21, 2009
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    oh, and, blame tiller. he was the one spreading that driver around, which sure is the fault for your system /sarkasm :)
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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  32. DetlevCM

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    I'm on the Matrix Storage driver, not the Rapid ones which are experimental.
     
    DetlevCM, Dec 21, 2009
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  33. davepermen

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    okay.. well.. it just looks like your os/sw got irritated by not having any ide device around anymore, the moment you switched to ahci. but as i don't know how to get rid of that irritation, i only know reinstall as a solution.. :(
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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  34. DetlevCM

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    hmmm :( maybe I should consider it then...??... gah, I don't want to :( I'll have to think...
     
    DetlevCM, Dec 21, 2009
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    win7? :)

    i would try it..
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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  36. DetlevCM

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    Too messy I can't be bothered. I use recovery discs instead of a clean instal too.
     
    DetlevCM, Dec 21, 2009
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  37. davepermen

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    :) well, i couldn't be bothered to use the recovery disks for a system, ever..

    but to each it's own..
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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  38. vostro1400user

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    just run winsat again and put it on the right of hollis_f's intel 160G G2 result as a comparison, it seems intel beats cosair only at 3 items but lost in rest 8 items:
    [​IMG]

    so in reality which should be faster?
     
    vostro1400user, Dec 21, 2009
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  39. davepermen

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    the intel, the intel!! :)

    nah, both are just great :)
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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    You don't own a Vaio.

    And on my old laptop a clean install of XP was always worse than a recovery...

    So much for "clean installs" for me...

    And the SZ is a fair bit of hassle with Win7 or Vista 64Bit etc. ...thanks to Sony in this case...

    But why change? Vista runs great - HDD; SSD - both work fine :)
     
    DetlevCM, Dec 21, 2009
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  41. eYe-I-aïe...

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    Here's my RAIDSAM W7 results... :cool:
     

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    i would never own a vaio, and you know that.

    and watching you and your issues, i continue to find almost daily support to never want one :)

    anyways, what ever you want :)
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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  43. DetlevCM

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    Me and my issues? What issues - the current one with AHCI - else? none that are Vaio related as far as I am aware...
     
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  44. davepermen

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    ya, might be user related solely :)

    just the fact that i can't do a clean install on such a device, do windows update, and all is fine is for me a big big no for it. as i can do that with all of my systems...
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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    6.2
    6.6
    5.4
    2.8
    6.6
    5.5
    6.6
    7.6
    2.2
    7.8
    6.4

    those are my numbers on a single mtron 3500 64gb.

    for being a quite old drive now, i'm quite happy with the numbers.
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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  46. DetlevCM

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    Well, the only thing you need Sony drivers for are the Fn keys - not all will work without Sony tools.

    Else, that's it.
    But how is this SSD related?

    Oh, and NVidia drivers via Sony - that's because of the switchable graphics though - it used to be a first on the Vaio.
     
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  47. davepermen

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    well, it started with you having issues when turning on ahci for better ssd performance. something that happens to work well for most.
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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    Well, for most... search the internet, the iaStor error is common - just none has a perfect answer for it so far.

    On the other hand, AHCI isn't officially supported by Sony.

    You have to write to the BIOS to get that running.

    Now you can go on about a restrictive BIOS - I don't think its a problem, if you think it is, that's your choice here.
     
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  49. davepermen

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    most seem xp related, and due to lack of default sata support, there.

    but yeah, if your laptop doesn't really support it, well, it's a reason to not like the laptop. but i would still try a reinstallation to see if you get it fully working then. it might be something else that messed up.
     
    davepermen, Dec 21, 2009
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  50. DetlevCM

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    hmm... just thinking... I would have to use a trial version of Acronis or so then... because doing a full reinstal without success would else drive me mad...

    Or I switch AHCI off.. I loose about 18MB/s in sequential read.... and that's pretty much it...
     
    DetlevCM, Dec 21, 2009
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