SSD Thread (Benchmarks, Brands, News, and Advice)

As you were asking and this was not just personal to yourself-
Banter is fine but there is no need to verve into personal attacks and rudeness and this is also against the forum rules.
[Please see below]

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=1850730
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Looks like OCZ has discontinued the Summit.
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66598

 

woah.. i was just going to bed. bad news.. *hugs my intel* at least they get support still.. no trim, but support..

not that i ever got anything from them, really, but who cares? i need to feel good to sleep well

 

Rachel,

Thank you very much for your response. I do try to stay impersonal, but I may have stepped over that line in that exchange.

No need for further discussion!

Wishing you a very Happy Holiday season!

 

Hehe...

Sorry, didn't realize you were posting my numbers back at me. Oops!

What I mean by varying is that they vary between same make/model drives, depending on the system they're in.

Hope you didn't think that I was actually thinking my mech HD was faster (not, at least, on the benchmarks, anyway)?

Anyway my 84.16 units and 6.9 score are showing better than an 93.69 units and 6.8 score of an Intel G2. Responsiveness 'overall'.

See:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5648124&postcount=1915

 

stuff varies. news at 11

 

Well, to me, the 'news' is that everybody buys the 'benchmarks' hook line and sinker - whereas I never did (well, not from the first time I noticed the numerically better 'benched tweak' was actually a slower system overall than the numerically worse 'benched default/no tweak' system - where numerically better means a 'better' score).

Now, I think I see where SSD's are not prime time yet. They have to excel in 'everything' possible to be seen as a real step up.

Actually, the 0.1 better Responsiveness Overall rating might actually say that my Hitachi is faster than Cape Consultant's G2 in the 'feel' department. He already has stated multiple times that it doesn't 'feel' fast, right?

 

same here, intel G2(from hollis_f's benchmark) vs 7K500:

 

My OEM drive had the sticker. Perhaps I need to stick it on Ebay.

 

Did an 'optimise' with Intel's toolkit and got some small improvements - old (pre-optimise) on the left.

 

What is your WEI memory score hollis f? can you run winsat mem and post your bandwidth score and WEI memory score? I know it's off topic but I can't get anybody to play elsewhere. I'm trying to figure out if my WEI memory score is capped or I just have crappy memory bandwidth. WEI caps scores based on amount of memory minus what is shared by graphics at certain amounts regardless of memory bandwidth. Are you using Windows 7?

 

Been away for a while:

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,10456.html

Hope this hasn't been posted yet.

 

Yeah, it's been posted but found out that that FW has TRIM and GC on it at the same time. I had previously read that TRIM and GC couldn't work on the same FW because it would cause data corruption. Apparantly Samsung figured it out and is making it work--can't wait for OCZ to make the flasher public for the Summits.

 

Too bad Corsair locked out Samsung OEM drives though it's understandable I suppose. Just sucks the rest of us with Samsung drives have to keep waiting..sigh.

 

Supposedly the Mushkin updater works on all Samsung drives you just have to swap the 1901 FW files with the newer 19c ones with the Corsair updater.
http://www.mushkin.de/sup.html
http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=83708

 

Not on my Vaio Z

 

OCZ just made 19c available for Summits!
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66600

 

Hoping this will work on a Dell / Samsung OEM drive... probably wishful thinking.

Maybe if OCZ is finally rolling this out, after banning mention of it on their forums, before long we will see something from Samsung or Dell.

 

I think its possible to flash Samsung SSD coz the flasher is Samsung flasher.

 

So was the one from Corsair. Just tried it and no go.

 

did u try to erase all the Nand, then flash it?

 

Flash went quick once I figured out needed to switch drive slots. Just like new out of the box.

 

The DOSRD application either finds the drive or doesn't, you can't do anything with it if it can't find a suitable drive. No go on my Vaio Z on the OCZ flasher version with a OEM PM800 256

 

Thanks all for your help. I guess a full fresh install is the way to go. I would also get to "recalibrate" the "feel" factor by going back to a spinner for a length of time.

I am certainly not one to sweat benchmarks of any type if they are within some reasonable margin or error. Hey, that could be anything. But being off by a factor of 50% on what is supposed to be the SSD's STRONG point which is read speeds simply makes me wonder if I am getting the value that I paid for.

I honestly cannot remember back when I had an Mtron SLC 16gb a few years ago. I did not keep it long, but I SEEM to remember a snappy factor that I really thought the Intel would beat handily, or at least equal.

However, it may also just be that I quickly got USED to the Intel G2 and am just making stuff up because I do not have enough work at this time

Nevertheless these are very exciting times for SSD's, and I am very happy to have one. It is what I do. But computer stuff.

 

Ran the winsat 4k random write test--no improvement.
winsat disk -iocount 1000 -count 10 -ransize 4096 -ran -write -drive c

 

Cape Consultant,

Remember also that a 'few years ago', the Mtron SLC was competing against very slow (relatively to today) HD's - especially notebook 2.5" HD's.

I do believe we get used to new speeds too fast! My Hitachi now feels like it's time to upgrade it again (after seeing all the winsat scores of the SSD's) and I've only had it two weeks? haha!

 

Try that 4k random write Cape, thats the Intels strong suit.

 

sgilmore,

Just ran that with my 7K500... you're still over 5 times faster in MB/s and you completed the test almost 3.5 times faster (3.479, to be more exact):


See below:

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Windows\system32>winsat disk -iocount 1000 -count 10 -ransize 4096 -ran -writ
e -drive t
Windows System Assessment Tool
> Running: Feature Enumeration ''
> Run Time 00:00:00.00
> Running: Storage Assessment '-iocount 1000 -count 10 -ransize 4096 -ran -write
-drive t'
> Run Time 00:00:32.01
> Disk Random 4.0 Write 1.51 MB/s
> Total Run Time 00:00:32.88

C:\Windows\system32>

 

The Intel drives get like 40 something mb/s 4k random write performance. To hear some "experts" tell it, 4k random write performance very important and why the Samsung drives like my Summit suck compared to Intels followed by Indilinx based SSD's.

http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3631&p=19

 

Whoa! In the previous post, I ran that on my 'T' drive which is the first 64GB partition of the Hitachi.

Here is the second 100GB partition numbers (actually 3rd partition if we count the 100MB hidden partition as we should) or my actual 'C' drive:

This is about 4% slower on MB/s and almost 5% slower in total run time compared to the first partition scores which is housing the pagefile, temp files and IE temporary files for the system and the various scratch disk location for my photo editing programs.

I guess I set the drive up pretty good for my use, huh? This is/was based on 'feel' over the last few decades of using computers.

See below:

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Windows\system32>winsat disk -iocount 1000 -count 10 -ransize 4096 -ran -writ
e -drive c
Windows System Assessment Tool
> Running: Feature Enumeration ''
> Run Time 00:00:00.00
> Running: Storage Assessment '-iocount 1000 -count 10 -ransize 4096 -ran -write
-drive c'
> Run Time 00:00:33.62
> Disk Random 4.0 Write 1.45 MB/s
> Total Run Time 00:00:34.49

C:\Windows\system32>

 

Heres a screenshot of winsat 4k ran write on my 320gb Hitachi data drive.

 

Not too shabby as a data drive huh? BTW, is that also 7200 RPM?

Wanted to ask... where did you find the command line parameters for winsat? Just typing winsat /?, or do you have a link you can post with more information?

 

Yeah, it's 7200--got that 4k test code here...
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=469874&postcount=4

 

Someone on Neowin found the new Toolbox for Intel ssd's.

 

http://communities.intel.com/community/tech/solidstate

Announcement: Intel@ Solid-State Drive (SSD) Toolbox Is Available - December 21

 

Nice find, just ran it. Different warning messages and even faster running and recommend running it once a WEEK instead of once per DAY were the changes I could see.

And, um, oh yeah... It made my drive 5000% faster

 

Yeah, I always need more speed. I am an inch away from a board chip upgrade. i7 Quad 920 or i5, not sure. Got top have the speed. Always have been like this. Speed and quiet.

 

Thanks, Thanks and Thanks!

Cape Consultant,

I know you were thinking of me when you posted the last sentence!

I knew that once a day was too much for manual TRIM (for the benefit it gave).

Can't wait to try this out on my client's system - hope it works with the AMD/Opteron chipset he has it installed in.


Edit: Just read the readme file at the Intel download site and it seems that this shouldn't be run on a RAID configured system. The good news for my client, hopefully, is that it doesn't mention what chipset is supported or not - hope it works!

 

Till,
I am just wondering what kind of clients u are working with? why u alway tweak ssds for ur clients? they dont know any thing about SSD?

 

No, that's why they have me. (They love the new tech, but trust me to set them up right with it).

 

Tried the OCZ flasher on my Samsung OEM drive and it didn't work. Tried the Mushkin flasher with the firmware files and it would just lock up.

 

Okay, this was an interesting read:

See:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-new-pc,2497-13.html


Seems like they dropped the Intel SSD's in this month's SBM high end system, but they also got better HD performance too - at least in the case of the AVG Antivirus scans anyway.

Comments?

 

you just had a very bad start with them. doesn't feel fast does not mean as slow as a hdd.. my samsungs don't feel fast as well. they're on pair with hdds (and still boot much faster and such).

they are prime time. you just don't want to understand that, not having one in your main system that delivers. i have, i understand. so do most others. they're not jet cheap. but that does not mean they're not yet worth it.

 

davepermen,

when I said 'Now, I see where SSD's are not prime time yet...' I meant that they're not a real step up for me.

I didn't just have a bad start with them. I had the divorce before the honeymoon!

 

they would be a real step up from you. a step you can't go down again after you experienced it for a while.

you had no divorce.. but i'm not allowed to post the analogies of what you had..

 

they explained why. they wanted full redundancy => 2x intel + 2x hdd. why they couldn't put in 4 drives, i actually don't know but cost is a factor, of course, too.. (and as they say, the intels are difficult to get right now).

but my home server solution is still better. and their assumption about 80gb being too less is wrong, too.

i'm actually shocked how bad the system is for the price, somehow..

 

nice looks like it cleaned up all the mess you had.

DETLEV, get that tool!!

oh, and cape, maybe no reinstall anymore?

 

Yes, it has always been my quest to achieve ultimate power AND quiet and small (not tiny) size in one package. Inexpensive wold be good too, but something had to give

 

WEI memory score is a paltry 5.9
Winsat mem gives 5293.68 MB/s

Running Win7

 

yup. silent, payable, as fast as available.

that's more or less my focus

oh, and reliable, but that's a given default at any time.