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Mushkin flasher + FW TRIM works fine on Samsung PM800 (DELL OEM) ?

I tested with Corsair Flasher, Mushkin flasher, OCZ Flasher and all the three don't work

Dell will arrive by 1 hours for replace my SSD. With luck, Samsung will put the lastest firmware on their SSD

 

Well, that was interesting - it took 1.5 hours to run the optimisation! I suspect my AV software may have been inspecting every single file that the optimiser moved.

 

Great news - is it safe so far?

(Else I stick with v1.1 as I don't use system restore points)

 

so far, the results look good. and it's from the intel page itself, so it should be fine, not?

 

heh, i remember how that once made an installation take several hours instead of 15min or so. downloading, unrarring, the setup itself unpacked itself to temp, copied the files over, and then installed them (very bad package).

virescan killed it really

 

thx hpllis f,
I need somebody with a higher mem score than 5.9/ 4gb/ Win7 to post a winsat mem bench

 

Just got my SSD up and running last night on Windows 7 x64. One word: Wow. It's amazing how fast it is. It boggles my mind that when I reboot after installing a driver, I don't even have time to go get a drink before it's finished rebooting completely.

I didn't have time for benchmarks, but I will get to it this week. Quick questions:

1. Where do I get that CrystalDisk program? I tried searching for it, but all I got was something that was all in Japanese.

2. I disabled indexing on the SSD, but I got an error that it couldn't disable indexing on a system file because I didn't have administrative privileges, despite UAC being completely disabled. Do I have to disable it in safe mode?

3. I don't need to defrag this SSD right? I read some conflicting views after Googling a bit.

BTW the SSD is an Intel G2 160GB SSD with firmware 02HD.

 

don't care, don't change indexing, nothing. win7 handles it all

 

posted in your thread.

 

so now i have a bit more time

1) CrystalDiskMark

2) you disabled it on the file level, not as a service. on the file level, it tried to change the "indexed" attribute to all files. some are system files where you can't change a thing => error messages.

but you shouldn't disable it, it never hurts you, but might help you (but this particular part of indexing is actually just an attribute, doesn't get used anymore. disabling it is no gain)

3) no need to defrag. but no need to disable defrag as well. win7 does this on it's own. just make sure you ran the windows experience index, and get some nice number for your disk. by doing so, the system has seen how good the disk is, and disables defragmentating.

 

That logic doesn't work...
So putting a lot of HDDs into RAID - I don't know, 10 or so raptors would give you a good number (on the small writes the SSD might still be faster) but that should result in fast numbers - switch of defragmenting? No.

Windowsd 7 musst be able to recognized the "disc" as a SSD that's the only reason it can be switched off.

 

no, no matter how much raid you do, random accesses will be much slower on it. it detects if random accesses are very fast, and if so, defragmenting makes no sence. this is true for any ssd that will come and win7 can't detect as such. this is true for any ramdisk. and true for any future technology.

it directly estimates how much gain there is from defragmenting, and if there isn't, it doesn't.

it does NOT detect ssds. microsoft stated that. it does detect performance-indications that show if something is useful or not (superfetch, defragmentation.. maybe others), and only judges on them. not on "it's an ssd, do this or that". superfetch, f.e. helps on some ssds, and not on others.

 

My Win7 does recognize it as an SSD with TRIM enabled (I think). I used a command to query the drive to check:

Command prompt > fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify

DisableDeleteNotify = 1 (Windows TRIM commands are disabled)
DisableDeleteNotify = 0 (Windows TRIM commands are enabled)

It reported back with 0, so it's good.

I did run WEI, and I get a score of 7.2 which is decent I guess.

 

Interesting... I agree that random writes and reads would possibly be still much quicker - or should be.
But if there were some completely unexpected HDD development that technique would be a major flaw...

Ah well, works at the moment

 

no. determining it by some fixed information would be a flaw. if a hdd comes that has 0.1ms random access latency instead of 8-33ms, then it should not get defragged just as well (that centipede hdd comes to mind..).

and by measuring for 10x faster than the fastest hdd in random access latency as the "boundary for defragmentation", one is sure on the save side. hdds that exist in the form of today won't get down to 0.8ms in the next years, if ever. they're at around 8ms right now. on the other hand, ssds are now at 0.065ms, tendency to get even lower in the future

 

Ok, I see where you are comming from - but speaking about access time - what about having a static head that spans the whole disc? - just as a theoretical example - that could speed up access times.

If the OS would indentify SSDs by a clear SSD tag then I couldn't see a problem with it.

 

i would. as my mtrons would not have that flag for sure. maybe not even my gen1 intel.

and all the usb sticks out there don't have it as well, but don't need defragmentation.

and yes, such a hdd would not need defragmentation, and should measure as such.

 

OK...
Well, I suppose its how we view the world - I prefer a list and read the label and check if I can tick the box.

You look at what it does and then check the box...

 

problem is. there is no such list possible. that's why they don't care about such a list.

 

bah. my G2 intel is payed, but "not available". why did they have it green, then?!!??! grrr..

i needed it for christmas, actually. to be able to finish my media center.. grmbl.

 

I flashed my Samsung PM800 256GB Dell OEM from FW VBM19D1Q to New FW Corsair P-Serie (VBM19C1Q) with Mushkin Flasher.

All work very well and now support TRIM.

 

Is your SSD still recognized as pm800 or is it shown as a Corsair P256 now?

 

Model : SAMSUNG MMCRE64G8MXP-0VB
Firmware : VBM1801Q
Serial Number : YFB080S910SY910B1953
Total Disk Size : 64.0 GB (8.4/64.0/64.0)
Queue Depth : 32
Number of Sectors : 125045424
Rotation Rate : ---- (SSD)
Interface : Serial ATA
Major Version : ATA/ATAPI-7
Minor Version : ATA/ATAPI-7 T13 1532D version 1
Transfer Mode : SATA/300
Power On Hours : 320 Std.
Power On Count : 121 mal
Features : S.M.A.R.T., AAM, 48bit LBA, NCQ
APM Level : ----
AAM Level : 80FEh [ON]

anyone knows of a firmware update for that?

i can ask

 

Try the Mushkin flasher but swap the 1901 FW file with the 19c FW file from the Corsair flasher.

 

woah i'm scared how fast google is. i marked "mushkin flasher but swap the 1901 FW file" for googling, and it showed up YOUR POST first..

scary

 

Yeah, if you can flash that drive to GC and TRIM maybe you wont hate on Samsung so much...yeah, those Samsung drives without GC do suck because they degrade so fast.

 

Must be my system, damn. Thanks for the info

 

i still hate them for two reasons: a) they still suck compared to intel, and b) they suck as company compared to intel. no support no official statements, nothing. they just let their customers sit in the dark.

 

Just like how OCZ handled their most recent JMicron-based drives (like the Solid series)...

lesson to be learned: OCZ cannot be trusted...do not buy!!!!!

 

Hi all,

Is anyone thats been following this thread able to give me the top 3 large SSDs reccomended for a laptop (alienware M15x), ive been looking at reviews all day and i have decided that either the samsung or crucial 256 gigs are looking best value/performance.

I ask for somone whos been following this thread because its 200 pages long and also there are newer SSDs out since the start of this discussion!

thank you,

Biggy.

 

Performance? Intel... only go to 160GB at the moment though... 320 is on its way though - if you can wait a little while.

 

indeed.. sadly

 

Try the other harddrive bay, I spent almost an hour trying to flash mine until I took out my mechanical HDD and put the SSD in it's place. Kept getting error downloading firmware. Once I switched bays it flashed in like 2 seconds after I typed Y the second time.

 

i have no stick right now, so no flashing party here..

 

Heres the links to the flashers dave...
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5651116&postcount=2016

 

thanks. downloaded them. hopefully i won't forget to take my stick with me tomorrow..

 

"oh, and reliable, but that's a given default at any time."

Precisely.

 

Scary AND amazing! I have had similar experiences with forum posts.

 

and if something goes wrong, we can always count on cape consultants backup services and options

 

Should only be one on my Vaio, I'll have to take it apart and try the lead off of the DVD drive then

 

LOL! Yes! I always have a good image backup! Experimenting with Drive Image XML lately as Acronis is good, but a bit bloated.

I wish I could change my user name. I am Cape Dave on Anand and no longer use the company name Cape Consultant. I will see what I can do.

 

Simple reason - NBR is an important site so gets indexed by the Google bot quite often

In comparison - my site is unimportant and doesn't get crawled often.

 

Yes recognized as pm800.

But I bricked my drive 3 times when I flashed my drive. I could unbrick my drive with my new SSD that received today from Dell (boot with new Drive not brick and when I'm in Mushkin Flasher DOS, I changed the drive by the drive bricked for reflash) .

If you don't want brick your drive, when you flash your drive in Mushkin Flasher, flash only mf.bin and not if.bin (Only option 1 in menu flash and not the option 2). After flash with the option 1, you can erase the drive with option 3 or 4.

If I flash with option 2 (if.bin) or option 1 and 2 (mf.bin and if.bin), drive totaly bricked for me and not reconigzed.

mf.bin it's the main firmware but I don't know what if.bin. Anyone know ?

 

As an aside, when I opened my case last night to measure the mainboard for a possible i7 upgrade, I said "What the heck" and I touched the SSD to see how hot it was. It was actually cool to the touch after a long night of surfing etc and being on all day. THAT is amazing!

 

i guess i better don't do it, then, right now.. it's bad-luck month for me

 

that's how it should be

 

I tested 5 times with only option 1 and works fine for me

BTW: I will flash my new drive that I received today from Dell when I back to my home and I will report after

 

i'll try it laters, but for the time being, the drive works well enough

 

With Muskhin flasher option 2 is for initial FW (or something like that) and option 1 for main FW, so if You choose 2 it's "bricked" until You choose 1.

I would say if You choose initial FW then main gets deleted. I hope I'm right.

 

I looked the manual and that's it.

Option 2 (if.bin) it's for erase the firmware. So if you choose option 2, don't forget to reflash the drive with option 1 (mf.bin, main firmware) otherwise, the drive will be bricked.