The Mighty Clevo P870DM-G "Phoenix" Gets an 8700K and GTX 1080 Upgrade

Much better than I get with my warped heatsink and 920XM, it hits 90 degrees after 10 seconds of Cinebench when overclocked to 3.5GHz and then thermal throttles at 95 lol.

Spoiler: 920XM

 

Lapping isn't an option?

 

Great news guys seems like the 4k mod on my alienware will actually work, I got a hold of two gtx 1070s, might need a bios mod by @Prema to make it work properly but if it does I'm not complaining.

 

Don't worry @sicily428 theres a lot of upgrade tutorials coming your way this summer

 

Screw you INTEL. The Greed won't always works as hoped. 52x

http://hwbot.org/submission/3864027_papusan_wprime___32m_core_i7_8700k_2sec_799ms?recalculate=true

Try with lower clocks.

This with Liquid metal. From my old Clevo W860 (15.6 inch chassis). And still in good shape
https://hwbot.org/submission/3281877_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i7_920xm_497_cb

 

Spoiler: Warning: Non Clevo stuff

I've tried lower clocks, but it still hits over 90 degrees. The fact that Core 0 is almost thermal throttling while Core 3 sits under 90 degrees is what makes me believe the heat sink is warped (while gaming i've seen a 10 degree temperature difference between the cores). I'm half tempted to just leave it alone and get a barebones P870DM-G as they are not too expensive in comparison to the TMs, especially considering the age of the M17X R2 and the diminishing supply of spare parts.

 

Take a look on this post. Same M17X R2 and Cpu. Compare your Cpu temps if you have the game. Maybe ask him to run Cinebench R15 for you. http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...r5-owners-lounge.815492/page-74#post-10735701

Spoiler: This AW heatsink?

Have you tried lap the heatsink? Or maybe pads is too thick?

 

Spoiler: Warning: Non Clevo Stuff

Removed the thermal pad that sits on the chokes and put some old thermal paste there instead as I thought that might be giving me low pressure, but if anything I had a more extreme temperature difference between cores afterwards. I'd buy a new heatsink immediately if not for the fact that i've got an odd issue with the motherboard. There is a bar above the keyboard and a PCB which has the power button and touch panel attached to it. A few months ago the flex cable decided to stop flexing and start breaking so it would no longer fit into the socket - easy enough I thought so I bought a new cable. However, upon plugging the cable into the power bar all that happened was the left GPU fan came on. I thought it was the bar that might have a short on it, so I bought a new one of those. The new one had exactly the same issue though, so I believe something on my motherboard is shorting out when the button is plugged in (definitely made sure the cable was the correct way around on both ends as it is indicated).

I could buy a new board for 200 dollars, but I don't feel its worth spending more money on an old machine such as this so I may just sell it to someone who can use it for spares. The one thing this machine does have going for it is a relatively healthy battery, which are very hard to come by now - so I suppose it has some value purely based on that. I'd be sad to see it go though as its still a pretty powerful machine in its own right (and mine isn't even fully upgraded), and the build quality is excellent - far better than new Alienwares. I won't decide on anything until I get paid at the end of June though.

This is the CPU heat sink:

 

Come on people, this is the Clevo P870DM-G thread, not Alienware.

 

Apologies, moved it inside a spoiler.

 

sorry, sir

At least @Arrrrbol’s AW is one of the real Alienware’s Socketed Hardware... Not as today’s Alienware’s with welded on hardware + the well known 3 legs heatsink exactly as the rest of Dell’s notebooks. Oh’well

Back to Clevo P870DM-G
http://hwbot.org/submission/3862879_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i7_8700k_1646_cb?recalculate=true


http://hwbot.org/submission/3864817...5_core_i7_8700k_18.24_points?recalculate=true

 

@Papusan likes to make me wait...

 

While we're of topic I just bought two alienware 18's for £600 both have black screen issues but are in brand new condition, have the protective stickers on them and everything. Does anyone know anything about this issue @Arrrrbol have you encountered this issue?

I have a feeling I will have to replace the motherboards, lucky I work in a repair shop where supplies are cheap Lol.

I will do the 4k mods on these and I will put one up for sale on the forum, let me know if your interested... both will have gtx 1070 sli, 4940mx, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd etc.

 

AFAIK no MXM-B form factor 1070 cards have SLI connectors.

 

This is why I asked someone here to tell me if I can solder a sli connector onto the cards, some guy did it with his clevo p870dmg and got the sli working. The link is here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/p870dm-g-1070-sli-upgrade-teaser.812736/

 

Those are MSI 1070 cards which already have SLI connector. They are non standard form factor and won't fit in the Alienware.

 

Yes and I have to find these cards, modify the housing/heatsink and put the cards in. I have already tested one card inside and it worked even with the lvds connector!

 

A) there's *something* inbetween the gpu output and the lvds port, pascal does not do lvds. Optimus/iGPU? eDP->LVDS converter (like GT83)?
B) msi 1070 w/ sli are annoying to find because they look identical down to pcb printing as the non sli, most sellers just list by part number you have to trawl through their photos and then directly confirm with them, through google translate on taobao etc etc... Hassle.
C) still not p870dm related FTLOG START A NEW THREAD

 

A) Yes lol the igpu, still surprises me the screen wasn't blank. 4k edp mod incoming! All those mxm pins and yet some of them aren't used lol.
B) Already found two from my own supplier on Aliexpress, charging around £350 for each card which is $460
C) Ok I should have done that a while ago...

 

pls point to that thread once u open it

and DAYUM now THATS what i call a proper alienware! an absolute beastly dream machine for anyone whos interested in getting a "new" system. would beat the crap outta any current BGA turdbooks

 

Please ping me as well, as I would be interested in making an RX 480 based AW18 with a 960m/965m physx driver. You only get a 330w hard limit on the AW18 so I want to leave about 130w for just the CPU.

 

If it is 8700K, this may be the process, right?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...aked-and-benchmarked-–-6c-12t-5-1-ghz.815636/

 

http://hwbot.org/submission/3869859_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i7_8700k_1680_cb

 

Congratulations brother you made it and again thanx to @Prema & @Mr. Fox

 

@Mr. Fox i remembered the Phoenix when i saw teh new intel i7 8086k what if Mr. Fox try it in his clevo and as i saw @Papusan he also get in the 8th gen/z170 club lol if you just wait some time

 

I am not sure if I will try it or not. Was discussing the same over here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ers-welcome-too.810490/page-271#post-10742520

If and when I do, it might require some tweaking by @Prema to work in the P870DM-G. If I were to get one, it would most likely end up in my desktop and my excellent 8700K in the desktop would be moved over to P870DM-G. Unless it turns out to be no better at overclocking than the 8700K in my desktop now.

It seems to be a rebranded 8700K that has better bin quality, like a Silicon Lottery CPU. @jaybee83 posted this.

 

Be nice if you could borrow one just to throw in it to try without any mods to the bios. I'm thinking it would work since it's more or less an 8th gen coffee lake cpu like the i5 8600,etc etc...the other coffee lakes will work in your P870 right?

 

Yes, and you are probably right.

 

Yes as @jaybee83 said and from what i read in 3 or 4 tech news websites that the i7 8086k is just an well picked i7 8700k basically even some providers like Overclockers UK they gone fancy "including some i7s with superior silver / copper IHS for even lower temperatures" and in the end it's a question of Ocing stability/temps and the only hope is they reached 5GHZ even with tooth past in those cpus imagine with LM in them and reviews in the future'll show what can do

 

then plz keep us updated with your progress !!! and good luck one question why do you need to change the mobos ?

 

You would be way smarter to skip 4940MX and go with 4930MX. Reason: 4940MX is poo-poo-cah-cah. I have never seen even one example of it not being a piece of crap. It was Intel's last socketed mobile Extreme CPU and they half-assed it real bad. 4930MX, on the other hand, was the most powerful mobile Extreme CPU ever made. It utterly destroys every 4940MX I have ever seen. The 4930MX overclocks higher, more stable, with less voltage. The only reason you would want to use 4940MX is to sell it to a sucker that believes newer is always better.

 

Fox, 2018 *rofl* should be included in every enthusiast laptop user´s handbook of handy quotes

 

I actually just mentioned this to someone else too.

 

This is........Click here to know...

Spoiler: MIND BLOWN

 

I got QS edition 4940mx's which overclock well and give very good performance. One is on par with a 4790k at 4.6ghz. Your logic may apply to oem 4940mxs though. I got them both for £400 which is a bargain considering how high they can clock whilst being undervolted.

Yes they are illegal but I really don't care. Intel isn't going to ask for them back lol.

 

Here is some evidence, I put both processors in my i3 Lenovo laptop. Yes it's limited to 35w yet the laptop allows the cpus to draw 70w. Having a 65w power brick limits the clocks to below 4ghz and you can already see it beating most of the competition.

http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/9120459

One 4940mx is first two benchmarks the second 4940mx is the second two benchmarks.

Bear in mind this is in a Lenovo which wasn't even made to cope with the thermal limits of this cpu and yet it gave out decent benchmarks. I had to use metal paste and an ice pack to cool the processor when it was being benchmarked.

Imagine how it will be in my alienware 18s if it performs half decent in that crappy Lenovo.

 

Clock Scaling above +40x will be somewhat different. Would be nice if you tried Cinebench R15.

http://hwbot.org/submission/3874631_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i7_8700k_1686_cb?recalculate=true


From the run. Sorry for the bad image quality

 

I was wondering if @Prema 's mod would retain full function for other things like both ethernet ports working and the 2 m.2 slots? Also if the bios mod is only for the P870DM, or is it usable for the P870dm2/3? I saw another forum thread that they lost some functions on a p751dm2 when attempting a bios flash with the later version. But looks like Prema's mod is much more stable and overall better than flashing clevo bios.

Even if it's missing some of these functions, it's amazing what you guys have done with the old models. I wonder if in a couple months @Mr. Fox will even have tested Intel's 8-core in his Pheonix with Prema mod.

 

@Mr. Fox looool my 4940mx at 4GHz already destroying the competition, QS chips are way better GOD DAMN! On my alienware 18 btw.

http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/9236620

 

ES / QS chips perform better than retail samples?

Where can I buy exactly those chips?

 

@Mobius 1 @Mr. Fox Reached 6700k speeds EASY! @ 4.1GHz HOLY SH*T Cinebench scores coming soon....

http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/9238356

I'm not stopping till it reaches a 7700k lol.

Forget the p870dmg I'm keeping this alienware

 

Well it is done: I WILL NO LONGER HIGH JACK THIS THREAD, I am a record holder for sure though!
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

 

Are you sure? For a 4940MX, that is better than expected. So, seriously, nice job on that. I believe that is the highest official score (per HWBOT) for a 4940MX. The sad part is because 4940MX was an inferior product not very many people purchased it, and only five people in the whole world submitted a Cinebench R15 score for that CPU at HWBOT.

Can you please run a Cinebench R11.5 and show us the score?

I just quickly grabbed these from my archives. Not sure if they were my best, but they were all quad core laptops.

4930MX ( @Papusan's score)

4790K

6700K

7700K

 

Good scores but keep in mind the other CPUs can also be overclocked.

I couldn't find my higher runs but this is 5Ghz on my old 7700K: [Stock cooling, max fans, just raised the multiplier, no extra voltage.]

 

Wow I just passed @Papusan 's 4930mx but barely. I guess those chips may be binned better but this qs chip isn't a slouch!

Yeah it seems the 4790k is out of my league I was being a BIT TOO optimistic about speeds. I'm managed to hit 880db is cinebench and have the machine crash straight after.

I'm happy though because it literally runs circles around my 6920hq and uses the same power (roughly). Cooling is good but for some reason the fans don't kick in high enough until mid 80s. Maybe it's a defective motherboard surely alienware can't be this stupid in designing a fan table?

Edit: max temp reached is 91c metal paste was a must for this, took out those useless screws that mount the heatsink on the motherboard and used direct ones to make proper contact. Similar to the mod done on the p751zm batman 1.0 which I had and miss (no damn edp though).

 

At those speeds you have no worries about bottlenecking the GPU unless you have some crazy SLI setup. Would not be surprised if that was the default Alienware fan curve, so I doubt your MB is faulty. As long as you stay under 95 degrees you won't thermal throttle. I wouldn't be afraid to run that thing HOT as if the worst happens you can just replace the CPU (since it's not BGA crap like the new Alienwares).

 

With the unlocked BIOS I think the trigger point to kick the fans on faster but only with MX CPU's, not sure how it will behave with the QS ones you have. I recommend splicing a switch to the control wire for the fans. Its what I plan to do after a while...

 

damn you Fox! you managed to beat EACH of my CB15 scores for the 4790K/6700K/7700K by 20 points! its like the standard Fox offset *lol*

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Well what did you expect? Even I can't beat his 980M fox offset!

 

Actually they were that stupid. The fan tables on my AW17 R1 and AW18 were messed up compared to the older M17xR4 and M18xR2.