The Mighty Clevo P870DM-G "Phoenix" Gets an 8700K and GTX 1080 Upgrade

yep i can confirm the sound and auto-reboot issues with KBL/CFL bios mod on P7 DM series

 

I heard that prema have bios mod for DM series which support kabylake without these issues , have you tried that bios?

 

DONE!! @Prema THANKS!! Bro @Mr. Fox.... Thanks


EDIT...

Stock clocks and default voltage (No tweaking). Cinebench R15 - 1449cb maxed out 57C

 

Yes, only a few people have this mod for Z170 support for 7700K and 8700K. And, 8700K works great on Z170 and Z270. @Prema rocks... and, audio works fine after he found the problem in the BIOS. The only issue that needs to be addressed is inadequate thermal management. The CPU heat sink and fans are too weak to support any kind of impressive overclocking. Temps are fine running 8700K stock or up to about 4.7GHz. Above 4.7GHz the temps start to get stupid, crazy high. The extra 50-75W overclocked power draw of the 8700K is not handled gracefully by the P870DM-G/DM3/KM1 CPU heat sink.

Welcome to the "Intel can kiss my butt" club, Brother @Papusan.

 

So what mods need to be done?

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Special @Prema BIOS and some special tape application to the contacts on the underside of the CPU. Takes about 30 minutes start to finish.

 

OK, thought you had to do some jumping of the pins or something. And the heatsink mod.

Might just wait for a new model yeah?

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Could you please help me with these problems?Even just a little hint?

 

I do not know what to do as far as the firmware tweaks are concerned, so I am not able to provide any guidance on that. If I did know them, it would not be shared openly in a public forum and it would only be shared with individuals that I know well and have confidence would keep that information private. Only @Prema knows these things and you will not get information like that shared openly in a public forum. There are too many people looking to profit from the knowledge, skill and labor of others and taking credit for things they have no right in taking credit for. Those few bad apples spoil the whole barrel and everyone ultimately suffers because of them. Additionally, if too much gets disclosed publicly, mods will become increasingly more difficult. Companies like Intel, NVIDIA, Micro$lop, Dell/Alienware and others actively troll forums and look for information that allows them to become more effective evil at blocking mods through cancer firmware updates and locking things down in future products.

 

Yeah, Alienware I mean Dell was fast closing the door for mods like 2x 330w psu for AW 18. Give them the finger, and they will take the whole hand.

 

Happened to me as well when some random member( you know who it was!) when I posted MEI FW patch procedure using Prema ME FW when Dell put their hands down when MEI wasn't patched after 2-3 months.
The forum member even accused me and Prema were hackers for supplying 3rd party MEI FW when in reality all OEMs use same stock MEIFW. Its an old issue and I was seriously unhappy and thought I'll quit the forums. Papusan, you and others came to my rescue to aid me. Thanks and I'll always keep that in mind.

 

I have read that line a couple times already, what did Dell do to prevent the dual PSU mod?

 

Essentially made it of no effect. The Alienware 18 motherboard was artificially capped at how much power it could pull. It could never pull more power than one 330W AC adapter. This was introduced on the Alienware 18, after I demonstrated to them that it worked extremely well on the M18xR1/R2. It was demonstrated before the Alienware 18 was released and it was suggested they offer it to compete with Clevo. All they needed to do was create a Y adapter like Clevo with support for the barrel connections on the Alienware version of the 330W AC adapter. Would have been really easy for them and would have been a valuable upgrade option for people that liked their products. Instead of just saying no and not releasing a dual 330W AC adapter setup, they took things a step further and changed the hardware to make it worthless on the Alienware 18.

The same kind of thing happened with the @svl7 unlocked BIOS on the M18xR1/R2. They had a meeting with several of us that were avid Alienware supporters, including myself, @Johnksss and @svl7, then released a BIOS update for the M18xR2 that blocked the @svl7 unlocked BIOS. You had to blind flash to an older cancer-free BIOS be able to flash the @svl7 unlocked BIOS if you had unknowingly applied their Secure Flash cancer firmware update, then they made blind flashing the Alienware 18 impossible after learning we figured out how to circumvent the protection.

So, in other words, deliberate Nazi control freak acts of customer betrayal.

 

Increased the undervolt for stock clocks to see if I could lower the temp more (Now is load temp in Cinebench in line with what you can see for Idle temp in the Alienwares ). The score increased as well. 1457cb for stock clocks and temp maxed out 43C. 18C ambient temp. 2C degrees between hottest vs. coldest core. Is this bad @Falkentyne ?

 

I just bought the dell alienware 18 to do a 4k eDP mod on the screen using the mdp connector. Now I've seen this thread I am definitely gonna be selling that alienware real quick after modding it. If what you say is true it is worthless putting 2 msi gtx 1070 mxms inside that alienware.

 

I am pleased.

 

This is really impressive. Premamod team proving day after day that the LGA is always the right choice for any serious users. Good Job for all of the Premamod team and all the supporters behind them.

 

Amen. LGA is the only way. BGA filth is never any good, because it is perma-broken and it's not fixable. But, without @Prema BIOS all laptops are castrated garbage, including LGA.

 

I should have kept my p771dmg what was I thinking, this upgrade could have worked on it

 

2-4C between hot vs. the coldest cores is good enough

After some time, I'm sure the new Alienwares will run idle 48C

45x@1512cb


Still under 50C. 46x@1545cb

 

On the edge at stock, but expect minimal OC headroom (and no power limit raising on the gpus)

The msi 1070 sli / p370em in my sig has never overloaded a single 330W powerbrick at stock 115W per gpu with CPU OC to 4.2 (~75W max)

 

Ok so it is still possible which is nice to know, I think the 4940mx uses slightly more power than the 3940xm maybe around 20w more maybe?
Hopefully that doesn't push the limits.

 

47x - Cinebench R15 - 1579cb (Cpu temp maxed out 51C).


48x - Cinebench R15 - 1603cb (temp maxed out 56C degrees).


49x - Cinebench R15 - 1618cb (Cpu temp maxed out 59C degrees).

http://hwbot.org/submission/3862256_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i7_8700k_1619_cb?recalculate=true

 

hahaha that throttlestop avatar icon
you finally purchased the 6c lappy?

@Mr. Fox
https://hardforum.com/threads/intel...-1151-6c-12t.1930226/page-112#post-1043645901

8 core coming real soon.. hope its plug n play, this should hopefully be a lot easier to do from z170/270 to 370 than 370 to 390

 

Nope thats his P870DM-G

 

Next ThrottleStop avatar will probably be the one I use here in NBR. You like it? Both is nice

 

hey man, once ure done testing and undervolting i would LOVE to see a frequency vs. voltage table (+offset from stock voltage) on your binned 8700K

also....i wonder if it wouldnt make sense to just wait for the 8 core cpu and see if @Prema could make that work as well on Z170 as for insufficient cooling for crazy overclocks, one could just OC 2-4 cores as far as they can go for gaming / high frequency applications and leave the rest of the threads at the thermal limit

 

Why not 6 cores then switch over to 8 cores?

TS has 4 Power profiles, bruh. Within a half second you can put exactly what you prefer

Yees, @Prema and @unclewebb rocks

And 43-46C ain’t bad for the old lady in Cinebench R15 vs. today’s new modern red/blue/Orange or black-anodized (painted) aluminum body Jokes gaming-books with Intel’s brand new $700 usd’s unlocked i9 Mobile BGA Scam. I can still not see one of those run +1457cb with stock clocks Not even with Azor’s Alienware’s very special 5.0GHz Oc profiles. Or may I’m blind or haven’t seen all reviews yet?

 

yah for sure @throttlestop profiles

and of course, if it were JUST up to me id go for 6 core and then 8 core in my machine just that i might not be able to cough up the money before the 8 core comes out

ive heard about those "super special" 5 ghz profiles on the new alienwares. what kinda CB15 scores are we talking here on those? also, nuclear meltdown? or rather throttling after a second of load?

 

Both

 

Are those temps after LM or simply bone stock?
I'd love to see my BGA mode CB score at 3092.78MHz.

 

Probably a reason Dell’s highest oc profiles for their gaming-books never being tested in reviews.

Stock clocks...
https://i.imgur.com/ZlsNn56.png


From Dell’s adverticing... Alienware 17 R5 boost performance with 8th Gen unlocked Intel® Core™ CPUs
Alienware 17 gaming-books offer new 8th Gen Intel® Core™ i5, i7, and i9 processors with up to 6-cores... ”Enabling overclocking up to 5.0GHZ for the first time ever on Alienware’s most powerful family of laptops.”

https://www.techradar.com/reviews/alienware-17-r5/2
Cinebench R15 - 987cb (i9-8950hk)

Same old lady. I haven’t bougt new machine. And I never run it bone stock.
Cinebench with stock clocks can be found in my previous posts (both stock voltage and with undervolt).

 

Maybe phoenix will steal your old Clevo lady when you are asleep!

 

nah, keyboard is too crappy for his taste

 

Still, +$3200 for a keyboard is damn expencive Steelseries @Phoenix Made of Gold?

 

@Papusan can u do a bench at say 4.7ghz CB and show both TS and hwinfo screenshot?

need to check voltage just before and just after so dont refresh both program if you can.

@Mr. Fox @Johnksss
now i recall john mentioned with 870TM the true voltage value is actually restricted to even lower than DM/KM version, that means if you guys able to get 8700k working you'll be able to clock higher, assuming you already have a solution to temperature, ie AC etc.

 

He still uses external keyboard and mouse combo from Cherry MX aka Mechanical thingies. Dunno which exact model. Then again, he just uses the PC for web browsing and light video editing.

 

http://hwbot.org/submission/3862728_papusan_cpu_frequency_core_i7_8700k_5103.72_mhz?recalculate=true


@ole!!! I will do. Later.

 

Nice score @Papusan ,I can barely get that clock out of my 8700k in my Desktop!

 

Just wanted to ask can sli connectors be soldered onto the pinout areas on msi gtx 1070's. Or even msi gtx 1080 mxm (without extra power port)?

If so will it work? Some guy upgraded his p870dm on this fourm with two msi gtx 1070 mxms and he had an sli cable, I'm assuming he had to solder them on?

@Papusan those are some insane scores almost comparable to my ryzen 1700 and that's in a desktop!

 

Yeah, nice with upgradable laptops. Jookebooks sucks. Seen this awful mess from Alienware? 3.5GHz instead of the adverticed 5.0GHz. Yeah, a Joke. And all reviews I have seen of it is equal bad.

https://valid.x86.fr/qqfi5c


http://hwbot.org/submission/3862879_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i7_8700k_1646_cb?recalculate=true

 

Ask @Khenglish

 

May be @tanzmeister

 

Updated opening post...

 

cmon @Papusan, ure holding back. 5.0 ghz at 68C max... not happy yet ^^

whats your ambient temp again? 23C idle is just insane *lol*

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The "snowman" nickname given to him by @Falkentyne is fitting. Not sure how he can keep the temps so low, but his outstanding Norwegian silicon lottery CPU certainly helps with its freakishly low voltage requirements. That CPU is certainly worthy of most 8700K owners' jealousy, LOL.

 

@Mr. Fox my ryzen idles at 20c and only reaches 35c max at 4ghz. Completely silent but my custom waterloop has 2 240mm radiators. I used to run a 3930k which had a 400w tdp on LOAD! So the ryzen is nothing in comparison.

How @Papusan achieved that max temp I have no idea lol. That's amazing for a laptop.

 

His ambients temps is 4C. He is Iceman.

 

Those are short run temps. They will be much higher once the load is running for about 10-15 mins.

 

naturally. even so, "regular" temps would be higher than that even on idle or short runs of CB15