The Mighty Clevo P870DM-G "Phoenix" Gets an 8700K and GTX 1080 Upgrade

But the cost of that chip is too high and HK chip sounds fair. Mr. Fox needs a CPU without any SW locks or artificial throttling. He runs any component at its max spec or even out of spec values.
Then again buying a 20000$ laptop with BGA is stupidity when you can build a Threadripper or any HEDT platform for half that amount and keep upgrading until the mobo is dead.

 

Just in case anyone was wondering:

 

I can't see the picture.

 

Remember my criteria though? This laptop is slim and portable it can handle rendering workloads that I put on it and because it doesn't throttle this is used for my advantage. The uni course I do requires a powerful laptop and this is just that.

 

https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/HrFUmEHV.webp

 

Its simply a benchmark but IRL the difference will be massive. For your needs, the difference will be 0.1%.

 

The Alienware 18 will not power limit or current limit throttle the CPU unless (a) you are using the wrong settings, or (b) your total system power draw (GPUs under heavy load with CPU overclocked) is approaching the Mickey Mouse 330W system power limit the engineering goons at Dellienware castrated it with.

Holding stock turbo clocks is not an indicator of a nicely binned CPU. Overclocking to a frequency higher than average max overclock and using less voltage while overclocking is how we measure bin quality.

CPUs that are not fully unlocked with unlimited TDP are not enthusiast products. They are performance-limited processors for consumers that use computers for basic computing tasks.

All BGA CPUs are inferior products. Even the so-called unlocked BGA crap CPUs are inferior.

 

this is the common misconception people have about BGA/LGA. the CPU you compared are of the same generation, at same frequency they'll perform similarly when no throttle occurs. what we needed to check isnt how it perform, is how high it can go and how hot it'll run. not to further mention the fact that intel charges them a premium over desktop counter part, theres no reason for it.

what the heck are we going backwards? when is 4ghz an acceptable high end overclock? if you have been hearing from people around you that 4ghz is extreme, that further proves what mr.fox was trying to say. the standards have been lowered so much its becoming of the point most people aren't aware what good OC is.

back with m18xr1/r2 which was 5-6 years ago, we were already able to do 4.4+ ghz overclock, stable, no throttle.. considering the CPUs of newer gen 6/7/8 has better overclocking than older CPUs, we should be able to go past that mark no problem. currently got a mild OC at 4.7ghz in my clevo, a socket CPU is capable of that.

 

I know 4ghz isn't the best OC but it is the MAX a 6920hq can do since it is LOCKED by the manufacturer. I never said that 4ghz was 'extreme' in fact my 3570k used to go to 5.2ghz overclocked stable on a crappy ASUS p8z77-v pro motherboard. You may call that extreme since only a FEW people could reach that frequency and keep the processor cool, I made a custom water cooler with two 240mm radiators for it and it literally blew the 3770k away in games and rendering.
I consider at least 1.5ghz over the stock an extreme oc because AS YOU KNOW some processors made by let's say AMD (ryzen cpus) have low clock speeds compared to Intel's high clocked cpus (kaby lake and coffee lake). Anyway the point is a higher overclocked frequency doesn't mean the processor is better either unless they have the same architecture and are part of the same generation...

 

from the way you post about 6920hq, sounded to me that you have accepted it, which imho thats how i understood it when i read it. compromises will yield lower standards overtime, eventually mediocre will become the new norm of higher standard than previous gen. intel/oem/odm been doing this for awhile now with only sheeps to follow, since majority either dont care or dont know about it, they can continue this as long as theres more profit.

 

Never knew 3rd gen could clock at 4GHz and above.
So on paper newer gen should do 5GHz-6GHz easily. I bet Mr. Fox's kids run their PCs at 4GHz now. Anything below is trash to them except phones(which are of course SOC BGA).

 

I used to bench the 3920XM in the M18xR2 at 4.8GHz all the time. Same for the 4930MX and 4790K. The 2920XM that I had in the M18xR1 had no problem handling 4.6GHz. And, the 4960X that was in the P570WM was benched at 4.7GHz all the time. It's sad that only the rarest and best samples of today's BGA turd CPUs max out at clock speeds that Gen 2, 3 and 4 Core i7 (mobile Extreme and desktop) CPUs handled with ease. Things are definitely headed in the wrong direction with today's pathetic BGA trashbooks.

Three of my five kids (the youngest of which is 24) are console gamers. When daddy stopped giving them his hand-me-down desktops and laptops, three of them decided spending $500 of their own money was a better fit for their wallet. My 25 year old son and his wife are still into PC gaming and just built themselves new desktops. (My daughter isn't into gaming or computers.) My youngest boy is still content with his black M17xR2. When they were growing up each had their own desktop and we spent many weekends together fragging one another in Quake II, Unreal Tournament and FarCry over LAN. My daughter had her own desktop as well, but she was never really into it like we were.

Two of my boys got corrupted by their spouses and replaced their Android phones with iPhones. They're too old to spank or take away their car keys, but they know I do not approve of their bad choices.

 

@Mr. Fox @Papusan you guys getting that 9900k 8 cores coming soon? im hoping to see some changes in clevo in a new heatsink so i can just buy that + the 8 core. too bad this time around intel wants extra profit and call it i9, still better than BGA stuck at paying premium for only 6 core.

 

There is an limit how much more Intel can charge you for an 8 cores vs. Ryzen X. And yeah We won’t see i9 BGA prices Intel is and will be pushed hard on prices due AMD.

 

if this upgrade goes through (which 8c should be compatible with z370) this shows even more example not to go for BGA filth. they want 8c laptop? buy a new laptop, a new GPU, a new mobo =)

 

I hope your younger kid doesn't choose new AW 17 r5.
As for iphone users, grab a free copy of 3u tools and cleanup Apple analytics and see how much Apple data mines their usage patterns.
Sadly wondershare safe eraser isn't working fine on ios 11.4 so I kicked it out.
You can easily view Apple analytics and read it very easily and issue can be tracked down to your phone using device ID unique to each device.
I hope they don't go over to dark side (Apple iMacs).

 

This warnings should apply to much more than for this particular BGA model. And you know what I mean.

 

There are few BGA that has good thermals out of the box like MSI and GB Aero. So people naturally inclined to get them. These days people prefer thin and light PCs under 1Kgs since 2Kgs is too heavy for them. Earlier the same people used to lug around 3-4Kgs saying it was lighter and now they can't even lift it. I guess too much phone usage gave their stomach an amnesia to not eat food and remain healthy.
As for phones,ipads, workstation laptops and 2 in 1's they'll be BGA and introduce next level of throttling for example, opening CB r15 will give a warning "T hese are malwares that can straight away figure out heatsink/cooling system issues on PCs, we recommend to stay away and use our (OEM Apps) utilities that can stress test and even if the temps are rising above 100C rest assure that the PC will be safe since we *know* what we're doing!"

 

My M4600 is at least 5kg now with everything I have on it lol.

 

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Did you use these tapes?

https://gd2.alicdn.com/imgextra/i2/72842546/TB2F4B6hXOWBuNjy0FiXXXFxVXa_!!72842546.jpg

 

I've not seen any mod that needs to isolate that many pins. I've only seen the pin mod where its bridge two pins in one spot and isolate two pins in another.

If you have a steady hand, a razor blade or scalpel, and kapton tape, you can cut what you need yourself

 

We cut our own Kaptop tape. You also have to bridge 2 pins with foil tape, which is not shown in that image.

 

Thanks,Mr. Fox.
I appreciate your explaination , I have the same experience while someone selling my bios mod.
Is the thermal configration modification already done?

 

Expect +150w Cpu package power with 6 cores i7-8700K 5.2/5.3GHz benchmarks.

 

What about CPU power limit when GPU is under heavy load?

 

Master @Prema normally fixing that.

 

Hi all i m from Autria.

i have a P870GM-G with MXM Mod for the GTX1080 but i have no Picture ? it is requirement a bios MOD or certain bios version ?
The GTX 1080 is from a P870DM3. bios 86.04.2A.00.2D
and P870 DM-G bios is 1.05

i have made pin 44 to pin 278\280 and to pin 237\239 is that correct ?

Sorry for my English :-(

Thank you
Rainer

 

hi. the picture from mxm is this p44 or 43 from 2 ...40

start with pin 2 to count 2,3,4 or pin 2 1,2,3,4. ?

 

if I start pin 2 2,3,4,5 it's pin 43! ????

 

Yes, I modded the CPU heat sink. It did not help much, even though it looks impressive. I just run it stock and the temps are great. I don't bench it much anymore now that I have a desktop.

 

Holy, +150 watts. Are you seeing any battery drain when using a single 330 watt brick?

 

Clevo laptops DO NOT use MSI Battery Boost (NOS!).
That is MSI metasized cancer that even Alienware and some Asus decide to use now.

 

See below. And I use 2x330w bricks. Clevo LGA books with @Prema firmware ain’t same as Alienware’s BGA tragedy. Or MSI for that matter +++ rests of the OEM BGA filth!! And not forget Azor’s crippled last gen Alienware 18. This even WITH sick-ed socket hardware

 

Not only have MSI this type metasized cancer. Look at my older post regarding MSI bloatware. I puke in same way for last trash from Redmond HQ. If people don’t know what Redmond HQ standing for... See latest Win 10 Cancer!!

 

That battery boost fiasco where I couldn't get MSI engineers to admit the issue is what cost MSI all of my business, along with countless friends/relatives and customers asking for purchase advice. I was actually looking at MSI again a few months ago but the lack of socketed CPU and the risk of stupid "features" that I didn't want pushed me back to clevo again.

 

why is the battery thing bad? say we use too much power and it drains battery. battery need some usage from time to time or cell dies so isnt that a good thing from that perspective. unless its like draw 200w and it pulls from battery then thats a joke.

 

Sure, but when your artificially limited to that level of power draw its a limitation put in place, not a limitation of hardware. You shouldnt be pulling from the battery when you replace the AC adapter with that of a higher capacity AC adapter.

 

THIS EXACTLY *IS* a joke.
Exactly as you said.

MSI GT73VR/GT75VR Titan (i do not know about the GT75 6 core laptops, I don't have one, I have no access to one, I have no way to test anything unless someone loans me one to debug):

GTX 1070: Begins drawing from the battery at 160W of total system power, up to about 10%/hour at close to 230W.. Does not matter if 230W or 330W PSU is used. EC will forcibly override and throttle the CPU TDP to 45W, 25W or 800 mhz /25W if 230W system power draw is exceeded.

GTX 1080: begins lightly drawing from the battery at 180W of total system power (very low, often not enough to cause real drain, just battery voltage drops then recharges if total draw is this low), and only starts truly draining the battery at around 230W, going up to about 10%/hour'ish at about 330W. It is unknown whether the EC will throttle the CPU if 330W of total system power is exceeded.

GTX 1070 system power cap can be bypassed to 330W by hacking the EC RAM.

If the battery is disconnected, the EC will forcibly throttle the CPU at 160W or 180W, depending on video card installed. This barrier can be disabled (allowing up to 330W) by hacking the Embedded Contoroller RAM Registers.

@Porter

 

that sh!t is total cancer. i was thinking along the lines of, once you pull over 330w over the PSU limit or something but looks like thats not the case at all.

i guess msi want u to pay BIG BUCKS for GT83VR with 2x GPU if you want real performance. since the machine comes with 2x PSU and converter, it'll make no sense for them to throttle at 180w.

 

The reason it throttles at 160W or 180W is because of NOS.
That is the "NOS" cutoff point, where the system begins hitting the battery (GTX 1070 or GTX 1080).
Unplugging the battery, *OR* having the battery level below 30% disables NOS (This flag is at EC RAM register C6; values of 40/41 mean NOS is disabled, values of C0/C1 mean NOS is enabled (0 or 1 seems to mean idle status or load status). If NOS is disabled, the EC will throttle the CPU at the "point" where NOS would normally start borrowing power from the battery (160W or 180W).

 

You got a link to that foil tape?

 

Like said above, it will drain even when you're well below the max the power adapter can supply.

Say you want to "disable" it to save your battery form being discharged multiple times a night of playing games then you are stuck at performance of a machine much smaller and lighter.

Say your battery fails after a year or two of this use, or that it just doesn't last as long anymore, well again you are stuck at that lower performance.

It sucks, and literally nothing good comes from it. No "bonus" power above what your adapter can supply, just temporary near full performance, then every other possible combination means less performance.

 

The EC Can be hacked in windows to trick it into thinking the battery is still connected. This works even on the old MSI GT60. It's easy and anyone can do it because MSI recycles old code.
When battery is unplugged:

Set EC RAM Register 31 to 09--this will turn on the battery charge circuit/status circuit (it's 00 if its unplugged).
Set EC RAM register 42 to 64 (64=100 in hexadecimal. this sets the battery charge level to 100%).
Set EC RAM register E3 to the desired power ID for the AC draw limit you want (For GTX 1080, =330W, that's a value of 91 on both GT73VR and GT75VR).

I don't know about E3 changing on the old MSI GT60 or GT70, but the first 2 register changes still work (both must be done together).

 

Won’t help. MSI had to put in second strongest BGA due limitations and Who will throttle equal. Maybe even harder. NOS!! Google it or search on posts from @Papusan
MSI learned Azor and Alienware how to use battery boost. Or they cooperate on this. I don’t know.

 

we'll need gt80s and 83vr owners to talk about this. with SLI 1080s, makes little sense they'd cap it at 180w. especially MSI purposely offers 2x PSU for their laptop to go with 83vr. i do think they have those limitation remove for the most part. but that goes back to what i said, MSI make you pay for the most expensive laptop if you want no limitation, but still gets a BGA CPU.

 

BGA hardware doesn’t make a normal notebook setup. It’s crippled.

 

I just bought a eurocom tornado f5 laptop for £300 fully working expect for SD card. Is there anyway I could get a 8700k working in it. If I isolate the pins to the side and short the two pins at the top will it start? Or does it need a firmware modification. I'm asking because the 7700k and the 8700k are literally the same price!

 

Give or take a few pounds. I would personally go for the 6700k, much cheaper a most can hit atleast 4.5GHZ, I wouldn't recommend an 7700k unless you have a 1080, and probably not even then. Congrats on getting it so cheap. EDIT: I wouldn't go for an 8700k either, not native in that machine, runs a tad hot for my liking. I don't even know if it has Kaby Lake support, one would think being Z170.

 

Needs firmware (microcode at least) too

Just saw this googling just now, 4 core 4 thread i3 on that model
https://valid.x86.fr/nzlb0p
But who knows if it was stable or bug free I can't find any other deets anywhere other than the Cpuz ss

6 core + HT seems more troublesome, all the 4 cores and 6 core 6 thread seem to work in pretty much all Clevo 1151 LGAs from a (non Prema) hacked/ported BIOS

 

I remember hearing this, as well as the 8400 was confirmed working, but honestly a 6/7700k would just be less hassle free IMO