The Mighty Clevo P870DM-G "Phoenix" Gets an 8700K and GTX 1080 Upgrade

Haha... I think OEMs didn't expect Skylake boards to take CPU from Skylake,KBL and CFL CPU running at 4.8GHz+ for 24/7.
Congrats.

 

Stock should work ok.

Tested with 5.0Ghz. Could be better from the old lady but still ok.
https://hwbot.org/benchmark/cineben...d=processor_5773&cores=8#start=50#interval=50


https://hwbot.org/submission/4252653_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i9_9900k_2237_cb?recalculate=true

https://hwbot.org/submission/4252655_papusan_cinebench___r11.5_core_i9_9900k_24.19_points


Edit. Maybe you could post a few scores as well in the thread. This is the Mighty Clevo P870 thread (supposedly for 8700K) but "The Dark Knight" is highly welcome. More attention around the thread, the better

 

ha i wish! barely have any time to spend on my machine currently, real life is keeping me super busy, unfortunately *sigh* besides, no point in really benching the 9900k on my system, since the cpu VRMs just cant handle the power draw above 4.6 ghz

Sent from my Xiaomi Mi Max 2 (Oxygen) using Tapatalk

 

Finally got some time to benchmark this hp omen 2019 laptop (I know @Papusan its a bga turdbook ), I got to say it gets decent scores for how slim it is lol. Surprised it STILL doesn't throttle after countless hours of lapping and a good liquid metal paste. This has to be the thinnest full fledged rtx 2080 device out there atm...



Max temp on the RTX 2080 is 76c TDP: 160W, take that alienware and it WON'T blow up

CPU temps are a disappointment though straight in the high 80s

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GE75-8SG-Raider-i7-8750H-RTX-2080-Laptop-Review.415034.0.html
GE75 stock with a 6C scores 9K

 

Hmm intresting, the CPU might be power limit throttling, needs an undervolt, here is a cinebench r15 benchmark in the meantime undervolt applied -0.125v

 

@kingofswag187 the audio codec was using 20% of the cpu utilization, I terminated that instantly, HP needs to fix this DTS audio bug...

Here is a 'revised' timespy benchmark:

 

Now you understand @Papusan not all BGA notebooks are binned badly, especially mine I got that 90th percentile luck on my side ALWAYS

 

maybe I should give up this project.but ı bought a gtx 1080 card.I will solve 3.3 v power pin 44 and 237-239.i just want one last help
6700k cpu and stock bios. Is this method sufficient?? or custom bios and vbios is necessary
@Mr. Fox @tanzmeister @Prema @Khenglish

 

Have you asked @Khenglish ?

 

I know Mr. Fox had a modified BIOS but I think that was just a subsystem ID mod so that driver .inf modding was not necessary. No bios/vbios mods should be necessary.

What is the status of your mod? The hardest wire to solder is the 1.8V enable line as it goes to just 1 single pin on the MXM slot. I wasn't sure if this wire was necessary at first because I initially did not test without it on my system and Mr. Fox's system, but later I tried mine without it and the card did not power up at all, so you need to make sure you add it. The 3.3V is much easier since it goes to 3 pins. Let me know if you want advice on how to do the soldering.

 

Thank you very much. you encouraged me again.What are your suggestions to me when soldering?
I'm going to start soldering, but the connection in the picture below is correct?
And what exactly is on the red mark? Is there any integrated or chip. Just does solder ball

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4274344_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i9_9900k_2241_cb

 

Hello @Khenglish!

May god you're still here!

Sorry for the offtopic:
Can you please confirm that there is no way to upgrade a gecube gtx1060 with a N17E-G3-A1 GPU, even if swapping vRAMs to those micron GDDR5, right?
The only way to upgrade is the N17E-G2-A1 with adding the 2 missing vRAMs and vBIOS flashing, and I think there are no other things to do with config resistors.

 

Yeah turning the card into a 1070 is the best you can do. I killed 2 1070 boards trying out 1080 cores on them.

It's so much work to change the core, add the VRAM and associated caps and resistors, and hope there's nothing else that needs changing that I'd just buy a 1070.

 

Yeah, true. The internal structure of the 1080 is different than the 1060/1070 ones from what I discovered, thanks for confirmation.

I guess it's required to be only a N17e-G2-A1 chip and not the desktop one GP104-200-A1 because of the device ID from within the chip at least..?
I was thinking a desktop card would serve for parts maybe GP104-300-A1 one, but i doubt even the 1070 will work at all, the tricks with maxwell will not work with pascal.

 

Has anyone tried anything similar with the RTX Series MXM Cards?

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4298606_papusan_cpu_frequency_core_i9_9900k_5205.1_mhz?recalculate=true


https://hwbot.org/submission/4298344_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i9_9900k_2242_cb?recalculate=true


Highest stock score... 2114cb

 

Record for Stock clocks
https://hwbot.org/submission/4302982_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i9_9900k_2116_cb/


Same for Oc'd
https://hwbot.org/submission/4325031_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i9_9900k_2243_cb

 

I've decided not to watch this BGA Destroyer thread anymore since my AW BGA looks outdated when same Skylake based Clevo kicked the crap out of AW. I'm heartbroken!

 

Even the new modern AW flagship from last year struggle keep the pace against 5 years old Clevo's. Only 50 points lacks and I could match the 5.0GHz CBR-15 score with stock clocks. This is just sad.

CBR15 score from [email protected] in the Area-51m is all too low.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-owners-lounge.826831/page-1788#post-10982945

 

I'm saving up some cash for desktop rig that can outpace your score. Depending on Tax and other things, it might be Threadripper 3 or 3950x with Gigabyte Aorus Master or TR3 equivalent with AX200/201 Killer Wifi, 64/128GB RAM.

 

Hi,
I have P870DM-G from Sager. I thought I could easily install Prema mod, but I'm waiting for four years...
When I'm buying it, I didn't know you supply the bios to HID evolution and Eurocom only. How can I get the Prema mod?
I want to upgrade my pc with 8700k and Quadro P5200 if possible. 8700k upgrade is not a must but P5200 is crucial for me as a cad designer. Would you please help me?

Regards,

 

Due to abuse of his code he doesnt share that information anymore.

You can install the 8700k with the dsanke BIOS, not sure about the p5200 though.

 

Get a TB3 eGPU with one

 

Wondering if anyone can share the specs of the additional capacitors used to beef up the cpu power delivery circuit?

I have dead Clevo motherboards I could pull smd components from.

P870dm is on the way, along with a spare motherboard (in case mods go wrong) and a Clevo 1070.

Im hoping to run an ES 8700T QN8H (to stay within a reasonable budget)
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/33058091329.html?spm=a2g0n.shopcart-amp.item.33058091329&

Edit: might actually aim for the i5 9600kf due to the unlocked multiplier :
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32818...detail&spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.194c3c00rJGDgQ&mp=1

 

Hi. I believe @Khenglish posted the information. However, you probably will not need to bother with that. @Papusan is running an overclocked 9900K in his with no problems.

Edit: @moral hazard - have fun with your project. Sorry I forgot to say that, bro.

 

Appreciate the kind words (and all the R&D people like yourself have put into these machines)!

I think it's an ideal thing to get stuck into over winter (here in Australia).

The heatsink mod will be the most challenging part.

Also the more I read the more in unsure if the 9600kf is worth the extra money over the ES 8700T (to gain overclocking but lose HT), leaning towards the 9600kf.

Wondering what the max daily clock would be achievable on the 9600kf, I'd imagine it's not 5ghz.

 

I just got my (new to me) P870 dm2. I must say its a beast. I'm also trying to mod my heatsink to achieve better temps.

 

My pleasure. It's the sharing of experience that is the most fun with this stuff.

@Papusan can tell you what he is doing as a daily driver overclock with his P870DM-G's 9900K.

 

Congrats on the new system, what sort of temps are you seeing if I may ask?

This would be interesting to see.

I've read about people getting vapor chamber heatsinks or even watercooling for clevo systems from places like Taobao. That would be something I'd like to have, however it's likely that it wouldn't suit the clevo 1070 (I'd really like to be proven wrong).

This sort of thing:
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z0d.6639537.1997196601.159.4f637484KmCm7d&id=561089705878
&
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/p870dm-watercooling-mod.822390/

 

The most challenging aspect of the P870DM-G is the MXM slot placement that massively complicates GPU upgrades because nothing fits. If not for that, it would still be truly spectacular in every respect.

My project was fun, but it was way too much work and I'd probably not do it again because of that one issue in particular.

 

On idle it sits around 30s for CPU and 40s for GPU. When I game on it, temps are around 60s for both.
The machine still has stock heatsinks (not vapour chamber) and stock fans (quite loud).

I plan to put a vapour chamber for single 1070, so temps can be better.

 

The P870DM2 is a much better option than P870DM-G. Primarily so because you don't have nearly as much complication with the MXM slot placement being wrong for everything that came after the P870DM-G.

 

To me, it is nearly a perfect machine if they don't change the MXM form.

 

Indeed. Best laptop I ever owned and I think the best one ever made. I think it is utterly retarded that it was discontinued. I wish I still had my DM3 with 1080 SLI. I sold it to fund going back to desktops. I don't regret that part, but I wish I could have afforded both.

 

That vapor chamber has 400W capacity, so even if you OC and power mod, it'll still run cool.

 

Does the vapour chamber fit RTX cards? I will not upgrade now as the GTX 1070 still hold up pretty good. Just a note for future upgrade.

 

It needs to be modified with a dremel tool, because of component layout on RTX20x0 pcb.

It made no sense to EOL the P870 line, instead they should have beefed up the cooling and adapted chassis for single card.

 

Yup... one hundred percent.

 

It seems to me b/c of lack of sale thanks to "Slim and Light" trend of the market. And the model itself competes with other models like the P775 and P750.

I'm not sure about US, but here in Australia, it's quite rare to see a used P870 compare to other models from Dell and Asus.

 

That's true, quite good to have the option of buying from the market place here. Sadly the Aussie $ is looking weak lately.

Where did you find your dm2?

 

I got it used from my friend in Sydney.

There are 2 p870TM in marketplace currently:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2704964976282156
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/syd...ime-x-p870tm-sli-2080-upgradeable-/1234699900

Prices are still high though.

 

The used Clevo market here in Au is small and even smaller for these high end units. Sellers have few sales in places like ebay to base their asking prices on, so they are usually unreasonably high for these high end units, reflective of the purchase price and not competitive with the international market or the expected depreciation of laptops.

Bargains do occasionally pop up from people who are genuinely intent on selling but I get the sense most sellers know what they have is special and are reluctant to let it go.

The same old chestnut we see with car sales ordered by the SO...
"Yeah honey, sorry I reeeeeally tried hard to sell it but nobody wants to buy it, guess I'll just have to keep it..."

 

I haven't even seen a P870 in Denmark, best we had was the P775 with an "unlocked" bios. And now the two companies who sold them, do not even offer them.

 

Just reading back through the many pages of this thread, hoping someone can clarify if it's possible to shave down the threaded stands offs too far?
Do you take some material off and test fit several times or just aim for a rough estimate?

 

I just removed enough to be certain that they were too short to ever make contact with the heat sink. You could make them flush with the PCB if you wanted to.

 

Someone please make a kickstarter for this or something. Always wanted a notebook that you could slide a desktop GPU into!

 

Reminds me of this

 

That build quality actually looks improved over certain offerings I see in the market