The ThrottleStop Guide

I'd like to configure my Haswell 4710MQ for as little power usage as possible all the time when unplugged, and unfettered power availability (but again, low power usage on idle) when plugged in. Is there such a thing?

 

First, create or open a High performance power plan. Go in modify, advanced, and setup the battery options to Maximum Battery Life and the plugged options to Maximum Performance

These* names might not be exactly the folowings:
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Processor power management -> Cooling strategy -> Passive (for power saving)
In Processor power management, set Max and Min CPU usage to 100% for both Battery and AC.

(Optionnal) If your OS has it, set the Battery Saver feature to activate at 100% battery (so as soon as you unplug it).

Now go in ThrottleStop. I'm not sure which options are unlocked for your 4th gen CPU so tell me if something is unavaillable.

Go in option and set it like this:

You can change the Low Battery % and Low Battery Profile to your liking (when battery gets to the % level, it will switch to the specified profile)

I don't think you have access to FIVR Controls in the FIVR section. Tell me if you have this full window in FIVR:

In any case, set Non Turbo Ratio to 0.

In the main window, switch to the battery profile using the little radar/dot thingy. Check Disable Turbo. Now, what follows will require to experiment a bit. Make sure your computer is as idle as possible, with no other programs open, and as little background process as possible. Also, unplug your laptop to be on battery power.





Take note of C0% (CPU usage), Package Power, and the lowest Core C State Percent (which might not be C7) tendencies, where it sits on average, as well as the frequency (MHz).

Now check Set Multiplier and set it to different numbers, around 10-17, and check Power Saver. Every time you change the number, take note of the obtained C0%, Package Power, and lowest Core C State Percent (in C7s). You want the lowest C state to be as high % as possible, with the Package Power as low as possible. (Note: your lowest Core C State might differ from C7, might be C6).

If your FIVR window is fully unlocked, you can look into undervolting your CPU.

 

Here is a little-used feature that can be fun to play with.

 

Hey, so I'm using ThrottleStop and my temps haven't changed at all.

I have undervolted by -159mv on core and cache and no diffference in temps (tested with it running and then not running)

Does any one have any ideas or tips? My temps reach up to 93c on two cores no matter what I do.

https://imgur.com/a/8PohA

 

Have you confirmed that the ThrottleStop settings are actually taking effect?

 

Edit: wtf did I even read your post xD

Did you undervolt both the CPU core AND CPU cache? It won't work other wise.

Edit2: check voltage ID and take note of the values it has over, lets say, 10 seconds. Now, set the offsets for cache and core to 0, hit apply and check voltage ID again. If it's different after removing the offset (it should be higher in this case), the undervolting
Is working and the problem is somewhere else. If there's no voltage difference when going from normal to undervolted, then there's a problem there.

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In ThrottleStop itself I can see the Offsets being applied. How else could I confirm? Also would there be a fix?

 

Check my edited post


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Hi, I would like to know what MSR registers should I read to copy my undervolting for a Kaby Lake 7700HQ from Windows to Linux? I've found information on multipliers and BD PROCHOT but I was unable to figure out what are the registers that change when changing the FIVR offset voltage (using adaptive mode for CPU Core and CPU Cache)

 

Nothing seems to be changing, I've also tried Intel XTU which exhibits the same behaviour, any ideas?

 

@unclewebb Hi! I installed the latest version of TS, the one with the black GUI, I turned it on, de activated BDPROCHOT and activated speedshift, used different values... but nothing seems to affect my CPU speed in any way whatsoever.

I have a Dell laptop with the i5-6300HQ, it's base speed is 2.3 GHz but in turbo it should be able to go up to 3.2 GHz. I am running a very demanding 3D emulator, and I'd like to be able to run it at at least 3 GHz but my CPU never goes above 2.8 GHz for it... I was hoping to use Throttle Stop for this but it just isn't affecting it?

 

@neo187 - CPU World shows that a 6300HQ will run at 2.8 GHz when 3 or 4 cores are active.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i5/Intel-Core i5-6300HQ Mobile processor.html

If you are running a demanding app then it sounds like your CPU is running exactly as Intel intended it to run. 3.2 GHz is only available when a single core is active. Run a single thread of the built in TS Bench test and if you do not have a lot of background activity going on, you should see the MHz get pretty close to that number. Windows always has hundreds of background threads running which continuously wake up additional cores so you are not likely to ever see the full 3.2 GHz. If you need to run a demanding app at 3.0 GHz then you will need to buy a different laptop.

@mattmanatee - Sometimes when undervolting, you will not notice any significant difference in your peak core temperature. On a limited CPU, reducing the voltage might let it run faster. The end result is that power consumption remains pretty much the same so the core temperatures also remain pretty much the same.

@kahuna0k - Information about the FIVR register is only available by signing a NDA agreement with Intel. Anyone that shares this sort of information in a public forum would have to be an idiot. Not worth the risk of being sued by Intel.

 

I can see that you're undervolted (being at about 0.9v), but if your CPU hits 93c no matter what, then all that means is that your laptop's cooling system is currently awful, and all your undervolt is likely doing is just letting it run a little faster.

 

Whether he is undervolted or not, he doesn't see any difference in voltage ID either, which makes me wonder if the undervolt affects his CPU at all.

@mattmanatee

I see you have multiple offsets , try testing with only CPU core and cache and everything else untouched. Also, start with something smaller like -60mV. If none of that work, then I'll have to let someone more knowledgable take the case.

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Stock 7700HQs run at 0.9v normally? I assumed this was the undervolt working.

 

Well he specifically stated that he didn't see a difference when going from undervolt to normal after I asked him to test it, so idk.

Edit: also, if it can be used at reference at all, my 6700HQ goes around 0.9600V on battery, 0.8300V with a -150mV undervolt.

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Many thanks @unclewebb for the explanation! it all makes sense now. So there is no way to enforce the maximum frequency on my processor? I wonder why these processor are advertised with "Turbo speed of up to 3.2 GHz" when, like you said, this is never practically possible when multiple cores are active... such mis information!

 

Because it's "up to". See my mobile CPU guide.

That's extremely low, even for Skylake. You're lucky.

 

Phila,

XTU is a bit quirky. But I find it can be useful for Short and Long Package Power Limit (only) on my 6300HQ as it seems to access a set of registers that ThrottleStop does not. May or may not be applicable to your situation.

0. Do not run XTU and ThrottleStop at the same time.

00. Delete the ini file for ThrottleStop.

1. Set Short and Long Package Power Limits & time in XTU. Then close out XTU forever.

2. Open ThrottleStop, TPL window and set the EXACT SAME Short and Long Package Power Limits & time.

3. Set other settings in ThrottleStop and use daily as you always do.

4. You might want to shut down and open XTU every week or so just to check the Short and Long Package Power Limits & time setting stick. With a crash etc. they sometimes reset on their own

Keep a close eye on your thermals for a while if you are bumping up power limits. Also, the computer has several gates that will ignore (very) high figures you might input.

This package power limit tweak made a huge difference in the thermal throttling on my Dell XPS. YMMV

 

Anybody experiences some noise coming from the CPU area?
(Coil noise: www.tomshardware.com/forum/292915-30-high-pitched-noise-coming-area)

Like a silent buzz, plus an other sound I couldn't describe . The buzz is more prominent and continuous when moving the mouse, and when using a monitoring tool like win's performance monitor or throttlestop it ticks every second.

The second one sounds like the sound from an older computer (that's the best way I could describe it) although a lot more silent.

I'm not sure if it was always there, or if it became just loud enough for me to hear it. It's there whether plugged or not, with ThrottleStop running or not.

Asus rog gl552vw laptop with a 6700HQ. I've confirmed that the sound comes from the CPU area. It might just be normal, but I guess it's still annoying to have noticed it.


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This is the noise from the coils of the switching power supply units mainly for Processor Unit(i.e. CPU+GPU+Chipset) due to fast changing current.

 

Maybe it was always there and I just recently got conscious of it then.


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Windows 10 Creators Update Bloatware Free Edition

First thing I noticed is you have Cortana on your taskbar. Digital virus!

Secondly, go to PC Settings > Privacy > Background apps, and turn all the junk off

 

be smart! be like the intruder!

 

Hey! Thank you very much!

I meanwhile found an other way.

I wrote two scripts, that will "disable XTU/enable TS" on the fly (and vice versa) in this way I am sure I have the appropriate settings on the hand without beeing borthered by the other progamm.

All the best to you!

phila

 

Wondering if the system tray icon not showing on the latest win10 is a known issue and if there is a way to fix it?

 

You cleared icon cache?


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Just tried, didn't change anything. I'm talking about the little ice that used to show me what profile number TS was running.

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I'm not to familiar with the terminology so I'll just assume "little ice" is the information given when hovering over the tray icon. I'll have to try tomorrow, but I recon it did not update for real time information, not sure about the profile number.


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I just mean the tray icon, sorry for the typo ️



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Oh I see, but clearing the icon cache is usually the way to go. Clear the cache like described on the forum or the URL included in the ThrottleStop folder, go in your processes and end task for ThrottleStop, then restart ThrottleStop.

Was it setup to go in the tray in the first place? If not, uncheck "Task Bar" in the main window and in Option check "start minimized" + "Minimize on Close", make sure "No Notification Area Icon" is unchecked.


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That worked. I followed some other guide for clearing cache, but you steps fixed me up! Thanks a ton!

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Just curious, is there any way to adjust IccMax using TS?

 

Unfortunately no. Maybe someday when I find the appropriate documentation somewhere on the web. Intel doesn't like to share the good stuff with individual developers.

 

Hmmm then if were to install intel XTU and adjust IccMax then uninstall it, the settings wont think past reboot right?

 

XTU looks great but is a bit wonky.

If I adjust settings in XTU then exit, some settings stay for weeks. But after certian events (maybe a crash, Windows update or sleep?) some XTU settings "randomly" change to strange values on my Dell XPS 9550. So I need to check XTU settings every week or so for bad behaviour. ThrottleStop does not have this problem.

Also, your system may be set to ignore certain changes or extreme settings.

Don't run XTU at the same time as ThrottleStop.

 

they will if the XTU Interface option is enabled in the BIOS. Not all BIOSes have that. The Prema BIOS does and so does the SVET BIOS for the MSI

Once the XTU Interface is enabled, it provides a link so when you change some setting in XTU, it changes it in the BIOS as well so it sticks even if you uninstall XTU

 

Sucks being me I guess, I think I'll have to look at modding a BIOS for my Gigabyte...do you know anyone that might be able to help? I had a thread here but no one replied...

 

No clue bro, I've never even seen a Gigabyte laptop in my life

 

You just need to try XTU for a few days and see how it works on your laptop... You never know with tweaking

 

Can this be useful in a Dell t7810 workstation? Does not seem to do anything as far as I can tell. There is dell software though for different profiles installed though. (uninstall that?)
Dual E5-2683 V3 CPUs. Where do I find out how to use this for this type of setup? Went through page one but baffled by too many option that don't seem to change anything.
Hwinfo64 is also installed.
Thanks.

 

I do not own an E5-2683 v3 let alone 2 of them. Some ThrottleStop features might work OK while other features might not work at all. Using ThrottleStop on unsupported hardware is not recommended.

If you decide to give ThrottleStop a try, post some pics so I can have a look. It might only be able to access the first CPU.

 

Regarding the "winring0" error, I got this error due to RealTemp execution at the same instance.
I use RealTemp to give me the package temperature visible in the tray area.
I avoided this situation by starting RealTemp with a delay of 1 minute after logging in, while ThrottleStop is starting "immediately".

I am running Throttle stop in Windows 10 x64 on an Asus GL502VMK, with an Intel Core i7-7700HQ, where undervolting solved my Power Throttling issues, where my 3,4 - 3,8GHz clock speed dropped to ~800MHz, which was unacceptable in both gaming (GTA V mostly) and working (discrete simulation).

Thank you for this amazing tool!

 

You are welcome. For your info, ThrottleStop and RealTemp are the same tool, written by the same guy, so no need to run both of them. Half of the ThrottleStop code was originally copy and pasted from RealTemp. Go into the ThrottleStop Options window and check the CPU Temp box if you want to see your CPU temperature in the system tray / notification area.

 

Thank you!
It solves both of my needs.

But I am having some issues with minimizing to tray - and not staying in the Task Bar.
It is strange as it worked before and now, without me changing any setting, it stopped working.

Is this a know bug, or is there something I should look for?

 

From a previous comment:

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Oh I see, but clearing the icon cache is usually the way to go. Clear the cache like described on the forum or the URL included in the ThrottleStop folder, go in your processes and end task for ThrottleStop, then restart ThrottleStop.

Was it setup to go in the tray in the first place? If not, uncheck "Task Bar" in the main window and in Option check "start minimized" + "Minimize on Close", make sure "No Notification Area Icon" is unchecked.

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If you are ever having problems with ThrottleStop's icons, head to this website and follow this procedure to clean the Windows icon cache.

How to clean the notification area icon cache in Windows.
http://www.digitalcitizen.life/how-clean-notification-area-icon-cache

If you ever move ThrottleStop.exe to a different location on your hard drive, you will probably have to do this procedure again. I just created a folder called C:\Program Files (x86)\ThrottleStop and I always run ThrottleStop.exe from inside that folder. I do not have any problems.

You can create a link to ThrottleStop.exe on your desktop or you can use the Task Scheduler to auto start ThrottleStop.exe when Windows boots up. Here's a guide.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-514

 

Any new version expected soon so I can submit it to MajorGeeks?

 

Pretty soon. I found and fixed a few obvious bugs but no one has reported them yet so I figure there is no hurry to release a new version. I need to hear some complaints to get motivated.

 

Ok complaint done!
Please release a new version because we love new and shiny things! Pretty please?
pppppppreeeeeettttttyyyyyy please Unclewebb?