The ThrottleStop Guide

oh gosh so many work to do...and 'i'm so rookie for the tutorials
I think can restore the system will update automatic again
so there no way I can go...I't be fixed if I do everything you said

 

Hi! i'm using this tutorial How to Roll Back or Uninstall a Problematic Windows Update.
but don't appear uninstall button if a forced by Iobit uninstall appear a message error
this file is importante for the system you can't uninstalling

 

@Areitz - Listen to @Papusan
Make sure the BD PROCHOT box is not checked. Click on the Turn On button. Make sure the top bar does not say Monitoring. Post another picture of ThrottleStop after doing that. No need to install your operating system.

@Che0063 - I updated to 16299.64 but I couldn't think of the number off hand. Thanks. 16299.15 and beyond have been OK for me and ThrottleStop. This is also known as Redstone 3.

 

Do you think the cause issues is because ThrottleStop is
deconfigured?

appear monitoring when I start
but afte press "turn on" don't show...

 

@Areitz - You do not need to check Clock Modulation or Chipset Clock Modulation. Clearing the BD PROCHOT box fixed your problem. Your CPU is not stuck at 798 MHz. It is running fast now.

 

Hi, if i check the AC Profile at #3 how come i cannot switch to #1 or #2....I wish to start at #3 and be able to increase it, BUT it seems you can only decrease?
Where would it start if I left the box unchecked?

 

Make sure the profiles are not checked as battery or AC profiles, whatever you are not connected to.

 

Yup, updating windows has fixed the problem. Thanks for the help guys. I wouldn't have thought that Microsoft's own updater would neglect a feature update like that.

Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk

 

Just for the record, I am on v1703 build 15063.726 running Windows Defender on a Dell XPS 9550 6300HQ.

ThrottleStop 8.50 (still) runs great.

 

Suddenly i got "CPU not supported". What is the reason? I am in i7 4700

 

What's your TS version? The same thing happened to me when I was running an old version.

 

Version 848 is only what i can get since the application does not open.

 

8.50 is the latest version - download link in Uncle Webb's signature

 

Any reason why it stopped working?

 

Probably because it expired.

 

Is there any way to undervolt Ivy Bridge CPUs, like the 3940XM? Thanks in advance.
Edit: It seems that requires a modified BIOS.

 

I never encountered a CPU on my life were undervolting require an unlocked BIOS but.. theoretically it is possible but I believe that you are using a wrong version of TS

 

I am using the latest version( 8.50 )and all I can do on it is to overvolt the CPU, not the opposite.

 

Maybe @Mr. Fox can help you.

 

You cannot use ThrottleStop to under volt a 2nd or 3rd Gen processor.

I would avoid using Clock Modulation throttling. Leave that at 100.0%.

Instead of using the Power Saver option, make sure your individual cores are spending 99% of their idle time in C7. That is the best way to save power and reduce heat.

Perhaps you could use a profile with Disable Turbo checked when running on battery power. On AC, full speed ahead is best.

 

As far as I know, nothing can be used to undervolt Gen 2 or 3 Core i7 mobile. Desktop may be the same, but I never had Gen 2/3 Core i7 desktop processors. Even the Extreme CPUs had no BIOS option (with unlocked BIOS) to undervolt. Stock voltage was exactly what it needed to be for proper function (unlike Haswell forward) and there was no legitimate reason to undervolt. All you could do was run it stock or overclock/overvolt, and it always worked pretty darned excellent.

 

Wait a minute?!! Is there an expiry date on this software?

Also, when Throttlestop starts, does it detect the lowest useable settings from hardware? Or just guessing?

 

Every single current MSI laptop requires an unlocked Bios to undervolt (You can use Throttlestop or Intel XTU to undervolt without it). The "-" negative offset is hidden in the locked Bios.

 

Just Type the Secret Word and Unlock the Minus Sign for Undervolting in the BIOS..

Anyone wanna share the Secret Word?

 

If you mean the keystroke combo, uh....
I'm not feeling in the mood to be charitable right now.

Besides, where is that "Mythical" "Battery Power 0-100" setting and "Hybrid Power Enable/DIsable" setting that Sherary claimed existed via some extremely arcane keystroke in the GT73VR, which he said he somehow activated while trying to use the unlock Bios key combo, yet I spent an ENTIRE WEEK OF MY LIFE, over 20 hours, trying to find it and could NOT?
And bios options do NOT SUDDENLY APPEAR if they are not in the APTIO capsule. And these two options are NOT IN THE APTIO CAPSULE.
Even obsolete options like "AC Brick 75W, 65W, 90W" and "VDD voltage" which can be unlocked (by manually editing and reflashing the APTIO capsule directly) are there, but like @Prema himself said, just having an unlock doesn't mean they will work. And VDD is still greyed out with the key combo, and AC Brick, which is probably some absurd obsolete setting, as I found this in old MSI and Alienware bioses (APTIO capsule only), does not appear at all

But..."Battery Voltage 0-100" and "Hybrid Power enable/disable?" BS.

I'm not stupid. But I guess I'm a fool, huh?

people--I do not like being lied to and i do not like people wasting my goddamn time.

 

Is there a reason to expire? i mean it is necessary?
And what is the typical time a version lasts?

 

What bums me out the most is that this was supposed to be top quality silicon, and in reality it requires more voltage to achive a given multiplier.
For instance on the old 3720QM I required 1.20V for 40x, whereas this one requires 1.25V.
I still consider the upgrade worth it because of the improved single threaded performance at the higher (43-44x) multipliers.
I've read that one way to fool Ivy Bridge is by using lower multis but using BCLK overclock,which people have achieved with Dell Latitudes (E6530) but I don't know what it would take to port that mode to the Precision M4700/6700.

 

It is necessary because he is the author and owner of the software and deems it appropriate to set a time limit on each version of ThrottleStop.

Did you check @unclewebb signature for the new version that is not expired?

ThrottleStop 8.50: https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/

 

That is why I said [theoretically it is possible] I never expected that MSI would do that ... maybe because I never buyed one of there laptop my entire life was HP,Lenovo,ASUS

 

How do I get the 64 bit version to run? In task manager, it's saying I'm only running the 32 bit version?

 

There's only x86 version and no x64 executable.

 

To be honest, no. I am just a sick person. I get a kick out of watching people freak out when a version ends and there is nothing available to replace it. Then the worms come out of the wood work and crack it. This allows me to judge how the anti-crackiing code is doing. The last outage snared a few users. Not sure why anyone would risk using cracked software that has full control of their CPU voltage.

Of course not but I never get any feedback unless I throw users a curve ball once in a while.

No worries though. The version in my signature is good until 2019 and now that I have been able to fix some long time bugs, all future versions released after ThrottleStop 8.50 will not have any expiry date.

That does not mean ThrottleStop will last forever though. It will only last as long as Microsoft lets it last. Microsoft could release a Windows 10 update tomorrow that will prevent ThrottleStop from running. This has already happened on some versions of Windows 10. Enjoy ThrottleStop for as long as it lasts.

 

@unclewebb
Please don't hurt the people who really care about you and your work, for the ones who don't. You know how the human race is. People will be people, no matter who and where they come from. It takes 100 screws and bolts to build a house but only one nut to have it all come crashing down. Yes, a little negativity hurts far more than 10x the amount of positivity.

 

Thanks for the info, i installed W7 2-3 months ago and it was an irritation have to install throttlestop twice in a short span of time . And thanks for making ThrottleStop but i use it only for undervolting.

Edited.

 

First of all: Thank you very much for your work! TS is the perfect companion for my gaming notebook!

As you are takling about lasting. I tried to use TS with my Surface Book 2 13.5" but the undervolting does not seem to work.

Could there be a propable reason? It is said to work on the Surface Book 2 15"...

Best regards

phila

 

Is it possible to overclock the i5 4210u by setting turbo boost at 2.5 GHz for both cores from default 2.4 GHz? Or is it too much to ask?

 

What CPU do you have, the Core i7-8650U? In theory under volting should work. Did you undervolt both the CPU Core and CPU Cache? I do not own and have not done any hands on testing of an 8th Gen U CPU so some screenshots would be helpful.

On the Core i5-4210U, when 2 cores are active, the maximum is 2400 MHz. Intel did not create the U series for overclockers.

@Falkentyne - My sometimes dark sense of humor does not translate well on the internet. I just wanted to scare a few pirates. As always, development continues. The new small footprint TS version with the more demanding TS Bench will be released sometime this week.

 

Whenever I have a crash cause I just got a new surface book 2 testing the undervolt. Keep getting a Could not open WinRing0.dll. I have to system restore and it usually fixes it. Any other fixes?

on 1709 Windows 10 latest version

 

That is some sort of Windows safety feature. I think it has an internal black list that it throws drivers it does not like on. Are you using Windows Defender? The only other thing that might work is use Autoruns and delete the WinRing0 driver from that list, reboot and see if this message goes away. The WinRing0 driver has been out of development for almost a decade so there is nothing that I can do to fix any WinRing0 related issues.

 

Ok cool I actually disabled windows defender through services.

Hmm no luck I've tried system restoring this time and even that doesn't work anymore. I wonder what is happening. Intel XTU causes the surface book 2 to have sleep of death issues even with a -1mv undervolt. If it goes to sleep it will just cause it to restart. Not sure why but its been this way since the surface pro 3 so I rely on throttlestop for my undervolt. I will try a system wipe.

It just did it again when I unplugged the computer it showed throttlestop has stopped responding. Then after that the error started happening again.

 

Are you using the Task Scheduler? There is an option in there that needs to be disabled. Even though this option is grayed out, if you do not disable it, Windows will crash ThrottleStop when you switch to battery power and it will leave a ghost ThrottleStop system tray icon behind that will disappear when you move the mouse over it. Check out the Task Scheduler guide on page 514, Item 10) if you think this might be the problem.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-514

Do you have any antivirus program? Some if these can delay the start up of ThrottleStop so that might be the reason for the WinRing0 error.

 

Hi there! Thx for the response. Yes it is a i7-8650U and I tried undervolting CPU and CPU Cache. Yet I did not focus on cache. A friend here in the forums with the same CPU (Surface Book 2 15") has the same issue. Undervolting with XTU works but not with Throttlestop. I could post screens. But if you`d like we coule establish a Teamviewer session on the weekend, so you could kind directly lay your hands on... only if you like of course. Thing is. I can "undervolt" the CPU via TS up to 1000mV -> to no effect.

Best regards

phila

 

But can you under volt both the CPU Core and CPU Cache by this amount at the same time? On the U CPUs, you have to adjust both of these equally. If you only adjust the CPU Core, this setting will be ignored by the CPU.

When under volting, make sure the monitoring table in the top right corner of the FIVR screen shows that both of these voltages have been adjusted.

 

This seems to do the trick!

Perfect! Thank you very much!

Best regards

phila

 

No error but the UV does apply from when I could get it open before. The program itself doesn't open even if I do it at logon instead of at startup. I guess that works for me!
Also the UV does stick with the i7-8650U in the Surface Book 2 when doing the same CPU core and cache UV confirmed on XTU.

 

When making a new Task Scheduler for TS, it's asking me to enter user account information, User name and Password, which I have never come across before. Does anyone know why?

Edit: I found out it only asks for this info when I tick "Run whether this user is logged on or not". I think this has only started happening since a recent Windows Update that installed...

 

@unclewebb

I have this weird situation:


Locked multiplier sliders and Turbo Voltage not getting applied.
I have already checked MSR 0xCE and bit 28 is indeed set to 1.
Does Ivy Bridge get locked by bit 20 on MSR 0x194? Thanks.

 

You have an Extreme processor so ThrottleStop correctly reports that Turbo Overclocking is Unlimited. Unfortunately, it also reports that this feature has been locked, usually by the bios. I think it is bit[16] that controls this. Bit[16] needs to be set for the FLEX ratio to work. If that bit is 0, you cannot overclock and this bit will be read only until the next reboot.

 

When using MSR Tool I get this:

Then if I click on "Copy To Write" and write 0x001F000, and write MSR, then it becomes this:

And successive clicks on Read MSR make it stay like that, unless I click on Write MSR with empty fields. It will revert to 0x001E0000.
Rebooting and under Ubuntu, rdmsr yields the following

0x001F000 stays between reboots and that bit is writable by software, but bit 20 isn't.
Edit:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-174#post-9400339
Apparently it is bit 20.

Edit 2:

Delving into UBU Tool, I found a module that does perform wrmsr to 0x194. Its name is "PowerManagement".
It's the only module that does that. Perhaps this is locking turbo bins and turbo voltage?

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Hi, when I put throttlestop as task, why can I not see the temperatures? it works when I start it normally