The ThrottleStop Guide

I wonder if @Prema would have any idea?

I know if we can do that TDP trick that works on 4th gen CPUs, it might fix the issue.

Honestly running an XM CPU alone in the 14 chassis is awesome. I can hit 4.1Ghz on single core no issue. It's definitely a TDP lock issue somewhere. Had I researched this thoroughly I may have gotten a 3820QM instead but I did get this 2920XM for cheaper than any 38XX or 28XX CPU I could find lol

 

ThrottleStop only allows you to access the FIVR - Disable and Lock Turbo Power Limits feature on the 4th Gen and newer CPUs. There is a way that you can try this trick on a 2nd or 3rd Gen CPU. You will need to edit the ThrottleStop.INI config file, add this line manually and then start or restart ThrottleStop. It might not help your problem but it is worth a try.

Going into and resuming from sleep mode is another trick that sometimes works.

LockPowerLimits=1

 

Good to see development has resumed. All the best, @unclewebb!

 

The coronavirus might be good for ThrottleStop development. No sports on TV, nowhere to go. When boredom sets in, I might do some programming.

 

do you know how to get decent performance with i5 8250u but ultimate power savings, Ive got it maxing out at 2500mhz when plugged in to prevent heating and on battery its locked at 900 mhz but to slow

 

Once you get the CPU running correctly, focus on eliminating Windows 10 garbage. That will go a long way toward getting better performance. Even if the CPU runs properly, Windows 10 will suck the life from your computer because it is overburdened by worthless trash to the extent that it is very noticeable. If you have less than 16GB of RAM the improvement may be even more noticeable. You can make a huge difference with one mouse click (example below).

 

is there a list of services i should stop

i tried disabling all the red ones you posted. thanks for that but a list would be helpful for me and many others.

so when I first got my laptop and benchmarked it I was getting 10400 in cloud gate and could play crysis 1 on high settings 1080p and now im getting 9500-9700 and have to lowerr the resolution to 1600x900 which is really not cool.

I have no idea why im getting less performance I unlocked limits and undervolted by 110mv cpu is locked at 2800mhz now and temps go to 80c which is pretty good for an ultrabook.

increasing power from 33 to 40 does nothing as does increasing clock speeds to 3.4ghz. I figured with lower temps from undervolting the score would jump to 11000 but it did the opposite it dropped to 9500. man o man do I hate windows 10 heres hoping windows 11 is more like windows 7 and doesn't have so much useless crap installed as a service no one in a resonable time frame would ever freekin use.

any advice?

 

It depends on what functionality you need and care about. For example, if you are using M$ Office you may need the Click-to-run service. But, it does not need to be running when you are not using a product in the Office Suite. So, for gaming and benching you can disable that and turn it back on manually when you need to use Office. I have exported my Services.msc to Excel for you to look at. I have 75 services running out of 278 services. I don't need things that some people would never dream of disabling (like Windows Update and Defender). Neither of those two services consumes many resources if you're scared to disable them. Some third-party services are even more damaging than Micro$lop services. Creative Soundblaster crap is just one example. Their Windows app runs all of the time, forced to start by the Creative services, and it wastes lots of CPU clock cycles for no legitimate reason. You can run it manually only if and when you need to change something rather than letting it run all of the time.

Also note that you do not need to disable every service while testing. You can manually stop a service for testing, and then change it to Manual or Disabled if you're happy with how things are working with it not running in the background. Some services can only be changed using NSudo to launch Services.msc as "Trusted Installer" with all privileges enabled. Doing that is not dangerous, it merely gives you "permission" to disable services that the Redmond Retards want to stay running in the background to help them control you and your computer, and collect the data they think they are entitled to collect.

Use ESO ( Easy Services Optimizer) and you can manually disable things on one of the profiles and leave the default profile stock. You can disable the most on the Extreme profile and progressively less disabled on Safe and Tweaked profiles. Then you don't have to worry about making a mistake. It also makes it easy to disable filth on the fly.

 

sorry, i wasn't ignoring you just beat assault level in crysis and it averages 24fps at 1080p now....crysis is one of those rare games that only needs 24fps to feel smooth...thank you so very much for the list and help.....very kind indeed.

 

You may be able to undervolt for a while (until Intel kills that function).

The SpeedShift function helps a lot with power consumption. In ThrottleStop you can set SST to 0 for max performance, 255 for max battery life, about 80 for very good performance. I can use 200+ for browsing.

 

how do i use speedshift i dont see an option to change it to 200 only 1-34

 

Intel has released lots of updates that can reduce CPU performance. It is possible that your BIOS was updated or via a Windows Update, the CPU microcode has been changed on your laptop without your knowledge. You might want to try using the InSpectre tool to disable the Spectre and Meltdown updates. This might restore some of your lost performance.

https://www.grc.com/inspectre.htm

The biggest problem is people install too much crap on their computers without keeping a close eye on things. You should constantly watch the C0% data being reported by ThrottleStop after installing anything. Watch this data from day to day and from week to week. If it suddenly changes, find out what is running in the background on your computer, sucking up CPU cycles without your knowledge or permission.

I used the free O&O Shutup10 Tool to disable Windows 10 telemetry.
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

Beyond that, I did not have the need to turn off much of anything else. My 4th Gen laptop only needs to spend 0.2% of the time in the C0 state when idle to process all of the Windows background tasks and that includes running ThrottleStop.



This is just the generic Windows 10 ISO downloaded from Microsoft. The other 99.8% of the CPU cycles can be used to process whatever needs to be processed. Windows 10 and ThrottleStop are pretty lean as long as you keep an eye on things.

The Speed Shift EPP value on the main screen of ThrottleStop can be edited.

 

thanks alot.

I changed speedshift to 180 and disabled some services my cloudgate score went from 9500 to 9700 im getting there.

my c is hovering around 10-16 but almost everything is disabled is there another program out there that allow the disabling of crap that uses cpu cycles.

also I'm wondering why before I had 50 percent brightness and speakers at 50 perrcent I could stream netflix for 18 hours and had consumption of about 4200mw on average now its jumped to 6600-12000mw and says my battery will only last for 5 hours...like how the heck did you guys learn what you did by tinkering and why are the results so random>?

 

Hello @unclewebb,
I really like you software and was playing with all locks at TS sections (at the bios level), and took care about most important TRL window, so now I can enjoy that lock missing - but core ratio are still greyed.
Of course I missed what Intel datasheet is writing about Platform info, so it is not such surprising.
Please do you have any idea, if some expert like Dufus for example could help with?
Also I was able check Package C state limit to C7, but Core C state are still in C6
Sorry for my bad english and if I added image incorrectly.
Good luck sir.
https://imgur.com/a/nqdnAla

 

Looks like 8.74 is now downloadable from TechPowerUp. Any bugs to be wary of? Should I update to it from 8.70.6?

 

If you are interested in maximum performance, do not use a Speed Shift EPP setting greater than 80. Setting EPP to 180 will kill performance. No wonder your benchmark scores are down.

If the C0% when idle with only ThrottleStop open on the desktop is more than 0.5%, you have too much crap running in the background. Open up the Task Manager, click on the Details tab and then click on the CPU heading to organize the running tasks by CPU usage. There has to be one or more things in that list, running on your computer, chewing up CPU cycles. If you want better gaming performance, have your CPU spending its time working on your game. Slowing your CPU down so it runs inefficiently is not doing your computer any favors.

The bios has set the lock bit. This prevents overclocking. Your CPU multiplier can be overclocked by +4 bins.
Instead of
39, 38, 36, 35

If your CPU was not locked by the BIOS, you could adjust your turbo ratio limits to
43, 42, 40, 39

In MSR 0xCE, bit[28] is the lock bit. It has to be set to 1 for overclocking. When this bit is set to 0, the turbo multipliers are locked and you cannot adjust them higher.

Dufus has retired from Notebook Review. There are no more experts like Dufus. I miss him too!

Your ThrottleStop C State screenshot shows that your CPU cores are in the C6 state but none of the package C states are being used. It shows 0.0 for all of the package C states. Check your BIOS to see if the package C states have been disabled.

I hope not. Mostly the same old stuff. The tiny changes since the last version have been microscopic. No need to update. I think TechPowerUp just wanted to increase traffic flow to keep their advertisers happy so they asked for a link to my latest beta. I complied.

I think TS did over 3,000 downloads in the last 24 hours. That is pretty good. It would be even better if the download counter could be translated directly into dollars. $3000 a day would help keep me at home, working on ThrottleStop, indefinitely.

 

Hey guys,

got got a question regarding the option to reset voltages to default in Throttlestop before the machine goes to standby/sleep. Does anyone know for sure if this covers hibernation as well? Or is it just regular standby?

Take care,

boba

 

@boba23 - The Sleep Defaults - Voltage option should cover both regular standby and hibernation as far as I know. I will double check later today.



Are you having any specific issue? Make sure your undervolt is stable enough to pass a 1 Thread and a full load TS Bench test.

 

hey man,

thanks for the quick reply. Well during testing I noticed, that my undervolt seemed stable, but ran into the issue, that I couldn't resume from standy or hibernation sometimes, which was due to throttlestop undervolting. Within windows everything looks stable so far for me (i7-1065G7, -70mv on core and cache).
I just wanted to make sure, that the sleep defaults setting applies to both standby and hibernation when I have it enabled. My crashes while sleeping or hibernating where with that option disabled. Just found out about it in the forum yesterday, so I am just starting to test it right now.

thanks,

boba

 

@boba23 - To test this feature, I turn on the Log File option and set it to more data so I have lots of numbers to look at.

Code:

   DATE       TIME    MULTI   C0%   CKMOD  CHIPM   BAT_mW  TEMP  GPU     VID   POWER
2020-03-16  11:53:03  35.61    2.0  100.0  100.0        0   40     0   1.0458    5.7
2020-03-16  11:53:03  35.89    0.8  100.0  100.0        0   40     0   1.0457    3.8
2020-03-16  11:53:03  35.95    0.6  100.0  100.0        0   40     0   1.0457    3.5
2020-03-16  11:53:03  35.61    2.0  100.0  100.0        0   40     0   1.0457    5.0
2020-03-16  11:53:03  35.44    1.7  100.0  100.0        0   40     0   1.0457    4.7
2020-03-16  11:53:03  35.58    1.4  100.0  100.0        0   41     0   1.0463    4.3
2020-03-16  11:53:03  35.79    0.8  100.0  100.0        0   39     0   1.0463    3.4
2020-03-16  11:53:03  35.95    0.7  100.0  100.0        0   40     0   1.0463    3.3
2020-03-16  11:53:04  35.96    0.7  100.0  100.0        0   40     0   1.0457    3.3
2020-03-16  11:53:04  35.49    1.0  100.0  100.0        0   39     0   1.0457    4.0
2020-03-16  11:53:04  34.36    7.5  100.0  100.0        0   41     0   1.0463    9.9
2020-03-16  11:53:04  35.98    6.2  100.0  100.0        0   40     0   1.0463    7.7
2020-03-16  11:53:04  34.76   12.7  100.0  100.0        0   45     0   1.0457    9.9
2020-03-16  11:53:04  34.09   40.7  100.0  100.0        0   52     0   1.0845   33.3 - start of sleep
2020-03-16  11:53:04  34.00   41.5  100.0  100.0        0   50     0   1.0841   35.9
2020-03-16  11:53:04  33.93    5.3  100.0  100.0        0   42     0   1.0889   12.3
2020-03-16  11:53:05  34.00    1.0  100.0  100.0        0   42     0   1.0889    2.9
2020-03-16  11:53:05  34.00   10.5  100.0  100.0        0   47     0   1.0845   11.8
2020-03-16  11:53:05  33.97   16.6  100.0  100.0        0   46     0   1.0841   19.9
2020-03-16  11:53:05  34.00   19.2  100.0  100.0        0   48     0   1.0845   18.6
2020-03-16  11:53:05  34.00    6.4  100.0  100.0        0   43     0   1.0841   11.1
2020-03-16  11:53:05  34.00    6.9  100.0  100.0        0   43     0   1.0841    8.8
2020-03-16  11:53:21   1.00  100.0  100.0  100.0        0   49     0   1.0463    8.8
2020-03-16  11:53:21  32.20    5.5  100.0  100.0        0   43     0   1.0457    7.9
2020-03-16  11:53:21  24.17   33.7  100.0  100.0        0   46     0   0.8821    9.9
2020-03-16  11:53:22  33.73   67.1  100.0  100.0        0   59     0   1.0410   38.8
2020-03-16  11:53:22  34.00   73.4  100.0  100.0        0   56     0   1.0408   36.0
2020-03-16  11:53:22  34.00    9.9  100.0  100.0        0   48    33   1.0463   16.1
2020-03-16  11:53:22  35.09    2.3  100.0  100.0        0   43    33   1.0457    4.6

At the start of the log, my VID voltage is at approx 1.0450 and the multipliers are in the 35 to 36 range. When I tell Windows to sleep, my undervolt is gone and the maximum multiplier has decreased to 34.00. VID is at 1.0850 so it must be working.

At 11:53:21, you can see the gap in time so now I am resuming from sleep. A multiplier of 1.00 is impossible so this is another sign that I have just resumed. The VID voltage is back to where it should be when undervolted, 1.0450 and a second later, the multiplier is back in the 35 to 36 range so the overclock is working too after resuming.

So this feature definitely works when using sleep mode. I will go try another test to see how it works when using hibernate mode.

 

Alright, great. Let me know how your tests go. I am running at -70mv undervolt with several sleep and also hibernate cycles without any issues so far. So I suspect the option does work ....

Take care,

boba

 

@boba23 - Just to confirm, this feature works when entering and resuming from hibernate mode as well as sleep mode. Easy to see that VID voltage goes up when entering hibernate mode and the max multi goes down. Opposite happens when it resumes. A wonderful feature for many laptops living on the edge of voltage stability.

Code:

   DATE       TIME    MULTI   C0%   CKMOD  CHIPM   BAT_mW  TEMP  GPU     VID   POWER
2020-03-16  17:20:39  35.58    1.9  100.0  100.0        0   40     0   1.0457    5.2
2020-03-16  17:20:39  35.83    1.2  100.0  100.0        0   40     0   1.0457    3.7
2020-03-16  17:20:39  35.88    0.8  100.0  100.0        0   40     0   1.0463    3.3
2020-03-16  17:20:39  35.46    1.9  100.0  100.0        0   41     0   1.0458    4.9
2020-03-16  17:20:39  35.35    1.8  100.0  100.0        0   39     0   1.0457    4.8
2020-03-16  17:20:39  35.29    6.8  100.0  100.0        0   42     0   1.0463    9.3
2020-03-16  17:20:39  35.92    5.7  100.0  100.0        0   42     0   1.0457    8.6
2020-03-16  17:20:40  34.00   42.2  100.0  100.0        0   51     0   1.0841   31.7 - start of hibernate
2020-03-16  17:20:40  34.00   17.7  100.0  100.0        0   52     0   1.0853   20.6
2020-03-16  17:20:40  33.98    7.0  100.0  100.0        0   43     0   1.0853   11.6
2020-03-16  17:20:40  34.00    0.8  100.0  100.0        0   41     0   1.0889    2.2
2020-03-16  17:20:40  34.00    3.1  100.0  100.0        0   42     0   1.0841    5.0
2020-03-16  17:20:40  34.00   15.3  100.0  100.0        0   48     0   1.0841   16.1
2020-03-16  17:20:40  33.97   10.5  100.0  100.0        0   43     0   1.0845   17.1
2020-03-16  17:20:40  33.99    3.0  100.0  100.0        0   43     0   1.0889   12.9
2020-03-16  17:20:41  33.98    9.9  100.0  100.0        0   48     0   1.0853   12.6
2020-03-16  17:20:41  33.95   11.1  100.0  100.0        0   42     0   1.0841   13.4
2020-03-16  17:20:41  34.00    8.3  100.0  100.0        0   45     0   1.0841    9.1
2020-03-16  17:21:24   1.00  100.0  100.0  100.0        0   46     0   0.8821    9.1 - resume
2020-03-16  17:21:25  33.21   72.5  100.0  100.0        0   59     0   1.0408   39.0
2020-03-16  17:21:25  34.00   62.5  100.0  100.0        0   57     0   1.0408   32.4
2020-03-16  17:21:25  34.63   24.5  100.0  100.0        0   52     0   1.0463   22.4
2020-03-16  17:21:25  35.34    5.5  100.0  100.0        0   45     0   1.0463    8.5
2020-03-16  17:21:25  35.25    7.1  100.0  100.0        0   47    34   1.0458    7.5
2020-03-16  17:21:25  35.94    0.8  100.0  100.0        0   44    34   1.0463    3.1
2020-03-16  17:21:25  35.23    3.5  100.0  100.0        0   44    34   1.0458    5.7
2020-03-16  17:21:25  34.51   21.3  100.0  100.0        0   46    34   1.0458   19.5

 

That's great news. Really loving the features and functionality that Throttlestop offers

Thanks for your help man.

 

Here is a new record for me. All of Windows 10 + ThrottleStop with full monitoring enabled sucking up only 0.1% of my 4th Gen laptop CPU. How is that for efficiency? If you want your laptop to perform better, get rid of the crud that is slowing it down.

 

Update: I posted earlier that a couple of users on another forum were able to get undervolting back after losing it to a BIOS update. They had Dell G7 laptops. I've since heard back from a Dell G3 user that the same process has worked for them.

The process seems to be:
1) Downgrade to a previous BIOS where undervolting worked;
2) Reset BIOS to factory defaults.

After both these steps were done they were able to resume use of ThrottleStop with full control.
I'm thinking, that once flipped to disabled, the special bit does not get enabled with the BIOS downgrade alone. It needs the BIOS default reset (on an undervolting enabled BIOS) to flip it back to enabled. This might be why just the downgrade doesn't work.
The above machines are similar but have different BIOS files so I hope this works for other brands of laptops that have lost ThrottleStop functionality.
Please share if you have success regaining undervolt this way as many have given up thinking the loss was permanent after upgrading the BIOS.

 

does anyone know why my c0% is hovering around 14 when idle? i have disabled almost everything and updated ssd drivers audio drivers ect....any help would be appreciated

ok a little update i was not using shutapp correctly so i enabled recommended settings and walla im down to a c0% of 1.1- 2 while idle so now what im wondering is how did you manage to get down to 0.1 uncle webb ?

 

There is still bloat running in the background. Autoruns.exe is a nice tool to disable unwanted tasks/services. Maybe try it out. But remember backup your system before you go totally bananas and disable all sorts of tasks

 

with all your guys help I got my battery life to go from 5hours to 15hours back to where it should be or even better than it ever was by quite the margin and thats 15 hours of streaming youtube at half brightness and half volume.... tysvm

I know it could be even better but im not sure how to disable services as I have no clue as to what all of them are for or do!

 

Black Viper's Windows Services Guide is outdated but will give you some clue what each services do and what can be disabled etc. Many tasks is still the same for todays OS version. ESO ( Easy Services Optimizer) is build from Black Viper's Guide.

Black Viper's Windows 10 Service Configurations...

 

ok so after doing that. im getting idle surfing power usage down to 2300mw which is so good its not even funny its averaging 4000 now vs the old 7500mw You guys rock.

Notebookcheck claims my laptop has an idle low of 3100mw at the absolute lowest end and thats with screen brightness at its lowest, im using 50 percent with chrome open getting 2300mw, now im wondering how thats even possible its a 70000mwh battery so that means i could see 30.43 hours with brightness at 50 reading books and light usage.

I wonder if its possible to get 50 hours, like this is ridiculus iv'e never heard let alone owned a laptop that lasts this long

 

There can be a big difference between theory and real world scenario Only testing will bring you the answers you ask for. Good luck.

 

yeah I tested grid autosport in battery saver mode and its draining pretty average but says ill get 8 hours and from what it drained in the 10 min i played i calculated a 100 percent drain while gaming will be 7.84 hours which is just about 3 hours better than my 7th gen m3 ultrabook its one of those super weak m3 processors. like I just checked my usage as im typing this and drain is 3300mw which is over 20 hours of actual forum use.. im still testing it though so far 17 percent drain in 1 hour 50 mins far cry from the 20 hour estimates battery bar shows but thats with gaming and playing music im happy with 10 hours as i would charge my laptop at night anyways no point in trying to squeeze 2 days out of it at un enjoyable settings.

thanks alot

It also improved gaming performance now im at a 940m level of powa. not bad can game at 720p

 

I run Windows 10 Pro 1909 build 18363.720, updated recently, was on 1809 before, but result is the same on both versions. I just deleted ThrottleStop and the planned task, and reinstalled everything, switching to TS 8.74, keeping the same .ini, and re-downloaded RwDrv.sys but I still get the same message.

Like Mr Fox I dont even have the "Memory integrity" option as my computer does not fill the "standard security requirement".

 

I just updated my desktop to the exact same version.



I was running Avast but I deleted it and I switched to Windows Defender. The ThrottleStop Disable and Lock feature continues to work for me without any errors.

If this was a common error among many different users, you would see a lot more people coming to this forum thread to complain about it. I assume you are running ThrottleStop in an account with Admin privileges and you followed the Task Scheduler Guide in the second post of this thread.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/#post-6865107

I have ThrottleStop.exe and the RwDrv.sys file in this folder:

C:\Program Files (x86)\ThrottleStop

You could try running the Autoruns program.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/autoruns

In Autoruns, click on the Drivers tab and see if you can find RwDrv.sys in that list. Think real hard about any other CPU or GPU control software that might be running on your computer that could possibly be using this driver. If you find this, try deleting it, reboot and try ThrottleStop again.

Beyond that, I have no idea what is different on your computer compared to my computer. The possibilities are endless. If you continue to have this error message then you will not be able to use that feature. Some setting somewhere is blocking this driver and this feature from working correctly.

 

I want to add one point. If users are complaining about Rw everything driver going haywire after update they need to turn off tamper protection in WD. Not everyone is affected but there are some.

 

Thanks for replay @unclewebb,
I have successfully removed all locks associated with the four sections of TS, but cant able figure out that bit[28] in 0xCE.
It looks like the register was set by OEM somewhere at chipset instead of Bios self. For example searching in occurences 0xCE at bios file simply not finding any operands for setting bits like Bts or Btr.
Yes, this is because of R/O nature probably...
Also is very sad that my knowledge of programing is very poor, so my only chance is try to swap operand Bts to Btr or Jump and flashing back to Bios, so Dufus would be very welcome here
I know you like mysteries - finding some Bios module called PlatformInfo, which simply could be 0xCE itself. Scrambled text seems setting only one bit, and this is bit [31 reserved] which could very well be a locking bit for entire 0xCE
https://imgur.com/a/8ZVSDEw
I would greatly appreciate if any good person here gave me advice at least in what direction to look regarding bit[28], otherwise I know no other way than access SMM which could be very hard...
In connection with Package C state percent are zeroes as you noticed, I don't really have clue what is it. I have set Bios to default and TS still will show me zeroes. I will try boot with the other microcode,
maybe it gets better.
Good luck sir I appreciate your work!

 

your icestorm unlimited and icestorm are giving an error page just a heads up.....980m is one sick gpu


that was for you vasudev

 

Thanks for the suggestion. I have Tamper Protection turned on in Windows Defender. This setting is not causing me any problems with the RwDrv driver.

 

Hey there. I need some help with my throttlestop settings.
Heres a screen pic.
I cant figure out why my laptop is on such high numbers under the c0%.
At the moment of "throttlestop screen pic.jpg", the fan on the laptop is full blast, but almost no programs are running except for whatsaap and internet.

After about a few minutes, the fan relaxed, and the c0 numbers went down to: 3 - 7 % average. and occasionaly jumps up to the 20%.

How do i go about cleaning my computer from extra things running? i cant find much going on in task manager. and are my thorttlestop settings correct?

Thanks.

 

simcha if you go back a few posts/pages mr fox shows me how to do it......its as simple as installing shutup10 and applying recommended settings.

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

https://www.sordum.org/8637/easy-service-optimizer-v1-2/


with a i5 8250u I got my power consumption down to 2800mw but i am unable to re-create that result. and thats with wifi on and streaming a youtube video I should have turned off backlit on keyboard and turned off wifi to see what idle power draw was and then another check to see what streaming a offline netflix video would consume....probably around 1200-1600 so over 43.5 hours to 58.33 hours of offline streaming which I believe makes the yoga 920 the longest lasting laptop in the world....correct me if im wrong.


Justa little edit, I have no idea what I did but I can't get my consumption down to 2800mw even with lesser settings than before I have no idea why, I uninstalled throttestop to gain control from power saver settings and turned off more features in windows and im using spotify v streaming video on you tube and im seeing usage around 8000mw I even have most cores parked this is bizzare, if anyone can help that would be amazing I just want to be able to plug in laptop for max performance and unplug for max battery life but windows is not so kind to me....im def not a power user so please speak in laymans terms

 

That is not too surprising. ThrottleStop shows that your CPU is fully loaded. Open up the Task Manger, click on the Details tab, and then click on the CPU heading to organize your running tasks by CPU usage. My computer shows System Idle Process - 99%. There must be something running on your computer. Only you can find out what is running on your computer and only you can put an end to it.

Just curious. What software are you using to report power consumption while running on battery power? I like using Battery Bar to show the Charge or Discharge Rate. There is is a Pro version which costs $8 bucks and there is also a free basic version available too.

https://batterybarpro.com/

 

Yeah I'm using basic battery bar pretty accurate. Consumption is down a bit but nothing like it was

 

Managed to get -110mV on core and -100mV on cache on an i5-6300U. Googling doesn't seem to reveal much about the average undervolt values for this chip. What do you guys think?

 

-110 is more than enough even if you say found the averages to be -200 you would not be able to reach it because your max would still be -110 so im not sure why your seeking averages>? comparison wise -110 is pretty darn good for a 6th gen cpu.

 

I get a little OCD when it comes to efficiency. I finally saw ThrottleStop reporting C0% at 0.1%.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-1113#post-10997097

Impressive but I wondered, is there room for improvement? Yes there is! I turned off ThrottleStop's CPU temperature icon in the system tray and I enabled the ThrottleStop Stop Data feature. This feature does not truly disable data monitoring but it does change the monitoring refresh rate from once every second to once every 60 seconds. The internal high performance monitoring timers in the CPU keep counting away regardless of ThrottleStop so how often you sample these timers is not important. The data is still legit.

I have reached the holy grail. Is there room for improvement? Not much. Did I kill every Windows 10 process that I did not like the looks of? Nope. No need to. My Windows 10 install is pretty efficient.



I might have to add another digit after the decimal place to the C0% data. I am estimating that you can run Windows 10 while only needing to spend 0.04% in the C0 state. Just a little OCD? Definitely yes.

 

As I sit here with my 100% finally setup new laptop with all my software, it idles around 10 C0% and around 25% usage in task manager. I think it is mainly due to being a U low power CPU, as normally my higher powered CPU systems idle much lower after I have them all setup.

My problem is, whenever I try to tweak my config, I either break something, or give up some functionality that I want. I ran one of those service tweaking programs a few pages back on this thread, and it cost me an hour when I trying to figure out why I couldn't play Forza Horizon 4. Turns out it shut down some xbox services which are needed for that game to work. And that was on the "safe" setting (lowest one).

I see things like discord, and Steam helper, or Python services eating up a few % each, also a ton more under 1% each but they add up. My PC works for me, not the other way around. If I tweak it so it's more efficient, then I become less efficient needing to start this app and this game client. I want it all running and waiting for me to click a single button to start.

If I want to benchmark then yeah I will shutdown all that stuff, but in a normal day's work or when play games I let it all run.

 

I disagree.



This 8th Gen U series CPU can process all of the background tasks while averaging 0.3% of the time in the C0 state. If one took the time to do a fresh install of Windows, it might clean up some bloatware and the C0% number could go a little lower yet.

The pic above came from a test I did which compared a fast CPU to a slow CPU when idle. If you look at power consumption and most importantly, CPU core temperature, there is virtually no difference. The big difference is the slow CPU has to spend way more time in the C0 state processing the Windows background tasks. The fast CPU takes care of tasks quickly. This allows it to spend more time in one of the low power C states like C7. A fast CPU is an efficient CPU. It also provides a better user experience.

It only takes one poorly written app to screw up an efficient computer. After a clean install of Windows 10, if you turn off telemetry, you can get the idle C0% very low. Every time you install a new program after that, keep an eye on the idle C0% number. At least one program on your computer is not very efficient. Spending 10% of the time in the C0 state will kill battery run time and will usually ramp up the fans too. Some rookie software developers forget about stuff like that.

 

Thanks @unclewebb I simply meant with a more powerful CPU I never have this issue, only on these lower power ones. Realize I have dozens of things running by default in the background each boot. That's exactly how it has to be, it does me no good to have to manually start and stop game clients and other things all the time. I can see some of them are using more CPU than I'd like, but if I want to use the program then I have to put up with it.

I used to do things like disable telemetry, disable services etc but like I said it always breaks stuff I'm actually using. I've spent dozens of hours trying to fix things when all of a sudden I couldn't update any longer or a program quits working.

 

most of the settings it disables are useless and don't affect anything except cortana but it lets you pick and choose....I have everything running with telemetry off and everything works smoothly with c0% around 0.6-1. its even idled around 0.4

 

What EPP value is recommended when plugged in?