The ThrottleStop Guide

Ok, got it. Man, this sucker can get HOT now. 95-96C with full Kombustor + Prime95.

edit: holy cow, at least I can manually adjust multiplier now. If only I could undervolt.

 

Unfortunately Intel removed easy under volting from the Core i design. Good to hear that the adjustable multi for Ivy Bridge is working again starting with ThrottleStop 5.00. Your temps will probably be OK when you are gaming instead of loading 'er down with Kombustor and Prime 95.

 

Hey unclewebb,
I would like to know what needs to be done for my laptop to be able to use dual-IDA.
Specs : Vostro 1510,BIOS A15
Core 2 Duo T5670(supports IDA),Throttlestop 4.10
When EIST is enabled in BIOS,it can boost to 2 ghz by itself.But can unselect 'Disable Turbo',which has some effect in boosting it(to like 1.86ghz),can't disable EIST from TS.
When EIST is disabled in BIOS,it cannot boost(obviously),can select EIST,but disable turbo cannot be unselected.So can't choose 2 ghz.
I would ask for a modded BIOS,but it looks like all recent DELLs(like mine)don't need one to activate Dual-IDA.So what exactly is the problem with my laptop?

 

I have no idea why Dual IDA does not work on your laptop. Without having your laptop sitting in front of me and some documentation from Intel, there is no way I can figure this out. Sorry.

 

Hi UncleWebb,

Thanks a lot for making ThrottleStop, it's really a wonder. Lately I've been having this problem where all my games would run smooth for the first few minutes but then drop in fps by a lot. I tried logging it and noticed that after 6 minutes the ChipM would go to 50% and stay there till I finished playing. Do you think this could be the problem? Do you know how I could fix it?

Thanks!

Here a part of the log: Log

 

@kfruit :
I think your laptop is running too hot,as in your log there is an instance of the temperature reaching 91c on the cpu,and 81c on the gpu(before the slowdown).It's possible that something like the northbridge or the memory reached critical temps and the system automatically slowed the clock speed of the chipset down.

 

ChipM stands for Chipset Clock Modulation. The chipset is telling the CPU that something is running too hot or consuming too much power so it is telling the CPU to slow down internally to approximately half of its normal speed. That instantly kills the FPS and games will become a stuttering slide show. It might be the GPU temperature that is triggering this. If the GPU has a chance to cool down, it will probably go back to 100.0% where it should be.

To try and bypass this you could set Chipset Clock Mod to 100.0% in ThrottleStop and put a check mark beside that box to try and force your CPU to remain at 100% but as tranquilbarley pointed out, this throttling is being triggered because your laptop is too hot. If you have never taken your laptop apart and cleaned the heatsink and fan; now would be a good time to do that.

You didn't mention what laptop model you have. Some laptops have inherent cooling issues, even when they were brand new from the factory. The Acer 3830TG comes to mind. The only solution for some laptops like this is to use ThrottleStop and set it to a reduced multiplier so your CPU runs slower. This helps to avoid the laptop getting too hot and triggering clock modulation throttling so the overall gaming experience is much better.

 

Hmmm, okay.

What's BD PROCHOT? Can I stop throttle by disabling it?

 

Thanks for the replies tranquilbarley and unclewebb, I was afraid it would be running too hot. I have an M11x-r2 and I have opened it more than once to clean it. I've also redone the paste, but neither really did much.

I really don't feel like opening it up again as the hinge is already getting weak again and the screws are worn out, also I almost broke something last time I did it. I also use a cooling pad already, and I'm always in a air conditioned room.

My whole laptop gets insanely hot I can't even touch the touchpad or anywhere near it. Not sure what to do, but thanks, I'll try the setting Chipset Clock Mod to 100.0% and see it it helps!

 

Most M11x-R2 laptops do not get that hot. Are you 100% sure you installed the heatsink correctly and that you didn't strip one of the screws? If it is installed correctly then perhaps the heatsink is failing. Something is not right with your R2.

Mobius 1: BD PROCHOT translates to bi-directional processor hot. Usually the CPU tells itself when it is too hot and tells itself to throttle and slow down so it can cool down. When BD PROCHOT is checked, this allows other components on the motherboard to tell the CPU that it is hot which causes the CPU to throttle and slow down. Many users have turned this off without cooking their laptops. Without knowing exactly why a manufacturer is throttling your laptop, it is impossible to know what might happen if you decide to turn BD PROCHOT off. Disabling BD PROCHOT is at your own risk.

 

I will try to run with furmark after i disable, thanks


EDIT: Thank you Unclewebb, with BD PROCHOT off. I'm able to raise GPU Clocks to 810MHz and the CPU DOES NOT THROTTLE

You're the best, thank you for this!

 

@unclewebb

I am pretty sure I installed it correctly, before I cleaned and repasted it was getting this hot, after I repasted it went down a bit but that didn't last very long. How exactly does the heatsink fail? Isn't it just a big piece of metal?

I tried forcing the Chipset Clock Mod and played a game of DOTA 2, it completely solved the lag issue but unfortunately when I was done My CPU maxed at 104c and my GPU at 92c which can't be good for either.

I guess I'l try to find one of those compressed air cans and see if it helps, can't think of anything else.

 

You might try using ICD for the paste.

Check this below

 

@kfruit : kind of unlikely,but just check whether you are unknowingly increasing the voltage of the CPU using throttle stop.......ie check the vid bar in it.

 

What thermal paste did you use? I have different notebook but this is exactly what happen to me before. After repaste, temp only reduced for a while before it increased again after a couple of weeks. I got this fixed by using different thermal paste. These brands should perform good in your notebook: ICD7, Shin-Etsu. I can only name two since I'm only familiar with them.

 

Hi guys, thanks for the replies, I use Thermaltake TG-2, I could try another I guess but it's a real pain opening with these bad screws and dying hinge.

On another note, I just cleaned out the vents by shooting at them with an empty old pump airgun (don't worry I tested it beforehand, it wasn't too much pressure ) and I played DOTA 2 and the temps didn't go beyond 75. I am amazed because I barely saw any dust come out. I guess I' just repeat the step anytime the temps raise again! Hopefully not to soon!

Not sure about the VID, never tampered with it. Anyways, thanks for all the help!

 

The VID for Core i processors is not adjustable using ThrottleStop or any other software that I know about.

Mobius 1: Go easy on the Furmark testing with BD PROCHOT unchecked. Furmark is a big load for any laptop.
There is a reason why Furmark 1.8.0 was called the "Hot Like Hell Edition".

kfruit: Good to hear that you got your problem solved. Happy gaming.

 

Hey Uncle, THX A TON for implementing IVY support!

Since the old TS somehow alows the IB to run at a multi of 8, do you think it may be possible to have that option in the new version, too?

 

I know, it reached 90/87 for cpu/gpu (keyboard lifted)

But it stays well within safe temps on skyrim and vantage


Thanks again unclewebb, you're the best!

 

hey unclewebb
Is it ok to run my t9900 at 85C? I undervolted to 1.0750 and put on icd7 but still cant get the temps to drop. My ambient is also quite high at 27C. just wondering of 85C/85C is accepatable

 

That's actually very good temps, try using a laptop cooler if you think it's too hot

 

Another thing is that my thinkpad uses 1 hsf with the 1 fan to cool the cpu, gpu and chipset.

 

unclewebb can you add a feature where you can set multipliers for profiles too. you can set TDC/TDP for profiles but you can't set individual settings for multipliers

 

Laptop makers aren't allowed to release laptop that doesn't have a sufficient cooling system. They have to keep it below TJmax in order to get a license from Intel.

Except ACER, I don't know how they bypass Intel's standard. It's a horrible excuse for a laptop

 

@Mobius1 : Completely agree with you about Acer.Had this TravelMate C120 with a core duo(1.6ghz),and would overheat and turn off at the desktop in windows xp in like 2-3 mins.Even for something simple like text editing,it needed to be underclocked to like 800mhz with a cooler underneath.Sent it in to acer around 3-4 times to no effect,and last time they said it was a design fault and nothing they could do about it.

 

unclewebb--sorry if this has been asked before, I'm having trouble using the forum's search function. Wondering if throttlestop can be used on my m11x r3 i5 to force the turbo to 2.3ghz, rather than the stock 2.0ghz, when gaming?

 

rrskda: You can not force a non-Extreme CPU to do something that Intel did not design it to do. The TRL button should show you what turbo multipliers your CPU supports depending on how many cores are active. Most laptop manufacturers are also locking the Turbo Power Limit register so that won't be adjustable unless you are using a modified bios.

Mobius 1: I agree that Acer is at the top of the list for selling laptops that have completely inadequate cooling solutions. Consumers do not hold manufacturers accountable so they get away with selling products that can not run both the CPU and GPU at their rated speed at the same time. The typical buyer checks out Facebook and sends and receives a few emails so even a crappy laptop is good enough for that.

Quanger: 85C is well within the Intel design spec for a Core 2 T9900. No worries.

Prema: Did the 8 multi really exist or was it just a bug because ThrottleStop 4.10 did not correctly support Ivy Bridge? Did CPU-Z ever show this 8 multi? When ThrottleStop 4.10 was writing the wrong values to the wrong Ivy registers, it might have confused some monitoring programs. I don't think it is possible. What is the multiplier range now when using ThrottleStop 5.00. The lowest is probably 12. I will send you a one off version of ThrottleStop for testing purposes with a wider range of multipliers if you can show me a CPU-Z screen shot that confirms the 8 multi really does exist.

You should be able to set different multipliers for different ThrottleStop profiles. If this is not working for you then make sure that you enabled EIST in the bios and in ThrottleStop. To have multipliers you can step through you definitely need to have EIST - SpeedStep enabled. Put a load on your CPU and show me a couple of screen shots if this is not working for you.

 

No way, can you see if the vid is lower and if changing between multiplier 8 and 12 changes the idle power consumption.
i know the multiplier 8 exists on the ulv ivi's and they probably locked all others processors to 12 to force people buying those ulvs for battery life..
This could be awesome.

 

uncle web..nm i think it is becuase i have 3.0. I tried installign 4.0 before but it never worked for me. I'll try 5.0

 

I think the newer TS versions force you to manually turn things on and check things off. Too many complaints before about CPU settings being changed automatically by just starting ThrottleStop in monitoring mode. I was trying to help new ThrottleStop users get their CPUs running as Intel designed them to run. The newer versions definitely work so post some screen shots if you have any questions.

TS 5.00 beta 2 is out for some testing of the 8 multiplier for Ivy Bridge CPUs. If this works, I hope one of my testers will post a screen shot or two.

 

Hi all. First sorry for my english. I have a stange problem. After i run throttlstop, hwmonitor and hwinfo64 doesn't run. I have the problem after deleting throttlestop. Laptop is Lenovo thinkpad edge 15 with intel core i3 370m.

 

Spoiler

The VID jumps a bit but goes down to a min. of 0.831v.
All multis work well under load. THX!
Without load a 8 multi jumps between 8-12 a 12 multi between 12-14 etc...but I think that`s expected.

 

Thats amazing, I think you just discover a way to win a few more hours of battery life from a Ivy Bridge
hope it's not just your chip..

 

Thanks Prema for posting your results. Looks like the TS 4.10 Ivy Bridge bug has been transformed into a new feature for TS 5.00 beta 2.

The VID voltage hardly varies so I don't think there will be any difference in battery life but that's an interesting new feature all the same.

Some of the lower C States like C3 or C6 will cause the idle multi to jump around in ThrottleStop. You might be able to disable C6 in the bios for testing purposes. It might make the multi steadier but doing this will usually use a little more power at idle. If you disable C3 and C6, that usually kills the Turbo Boost function on the non-Extreme CPUs.

If anyone has a desktop Ivy Bridge CPU, send me a PM if you would like to do some testing for me. It will be interesting to see if the desktop Ivy Bridge CPUs can also access these low multis.

 

btw webb i got 5.00 to work...weird how awhile ago 4.0 didn't work lol. Thanks!

 

Any tips on setting up ThrottleStop for i5-480M (Im using Acer Aspire 5742g)? I would like to use 2 profiles, one for gaming and second one for idle/cool down CPU.

 

Thanks unclewebb. Where to get beta 2?

 

Az3lito: I am not familiar with the Acer Aspire 5742G. I know the Acer 3830TG has some throttling issues and some users are using multiple ThrottleStop profiles to control that. Your question might be better answered over there.

Post some screen shots and some log file data so I can better understand what problem you are having and what you would like to be able to do to handle the problem.

 

As requested:

Used settings (+ CoolerMaster NotePal U3 / idle):



Logs:

Idle - Zippyshare.com - idle.txt

BF3 30 min session - Zippyshare.com - bf3.txt

Performance is fairly steady but I think there is still some room for a lot of improvements.

 

Why do you have Disable Turbo checked? A Core i5-480M has a default multiplier of 20 and can use the 22 multiplier when Turbo Boost is enabled. Most of these CPUs also let you adjust the Turbo Power Limits (TPL) so you can make sure that you get full Turbo Boost even when fully loaded. If you turned Turbo Boost off because you don't want your CPU temperature from getting too crazy, I can understand that.

In the ThrottleStop Options window, can you turn on GPU monitoring? It would be interesting to see how hot your GPU gets while gaming.

What you could to is create one profile as a full speed profile. Based on CPU temperature, you could switch to a second profile when things got too hot which had Disable Turbo selected. If you could find a way to improve CPU cooling, you probably wouldn't need to do this and would be able to run full Turbo Boost all the time while gaming.

At idle you don't have a lot of useless junk running which is allowing your CPU to spend lots of time in the power saving C6 sleep state. That's a good thing for battery life.

 

Here are my TPL settings (default):



I have no idea which values are optimal for my CPU ;/

Profile 1:



Profile 2:


Multiplier 18 - just for testing.

Options



Game temps:

 

do you have any info on what TDP and TDC on what levels are good? I just run 85/85 for my 920xm

 

Az3lito: It looks like you are starting to get a good understanding of ThrottleStop and your Alarm profile change looks OK. It's one of those tools you can play with and then just watch the numbers in the log to guide you. Your screen shot shows the full 22 Turbo multiplier. If you were not getting full Turbo Boost when your CPU is fully loaded, you could adjust the TDP - TDC values higher but you probably don't need to do that. You could set them sky high to something like 100 - 100 and it won't hurt anything. Your CPU can never draw that much power anyhow. By setting them that high, you will be guaranteed to get full Turbo Boost when needed without these values ever limiting you.

HopelesslyFaithful: With an Extreme CPU, run the TDP - TDC values as high as you like or as high as you are comfortable with. As these values go up, so does heat. At some point you will reach a wall where you will need to stop. Az3lito has hit that wall with his CPU hitting a maximum of 96C on both cores.

 

I would like to ask some help getting ThrottleStop to work with my W520. The problem is that no matter what I do, it seems nothing is happening.

I've tried: high performance profile, max-min 100%. Both 4.10 and 5.00b.

What I tried: start TS, set multiplier, turn on. If multiplier was 32x before, it says there. If it was 24, it stays there.

Update: something actually is happening:

TS 4.10, my usual power saver profile, battery mode:
1. I can set multipliers, by setting the value, saving, exiting, and re-starting TS. The multiplier gets updated upon starting TS. Turn ON or OFF has no effect. I mean TS makes the change even though I haven't clicked Turn ON.

2. Setting "disable Turbo" works on the fly. No need to save, no need to turn on-off.

Is this normal? Now I can control a lot of things on my laptop, just by starting and exiting from this program. Is this a normal behaviour? No need to turn on, no need to run in the background?

 

hi
It works on my laptop but can only reduce the time of Throttle does not stop it completely.
please help me
hp probook 4530s ci3

 

zsero - Do you have EIST - SpeedStep enabled in the bios and enabled in ThrottleStop? When ThrottleStop is not working consistently, that's usually the reason why. With a load on the CPU, you should have no problem stepping up and down through the multipliers using ThrottleStop. That's what SpeedStep is all about.

vahid javani: Is your laptop getting too hot? If it is then you need to fix that problem. You need to clean it out and you might have to remove the CPU/GPU heatsink and apply new thermal paste. ThrottleStop was not a solution for some HP laptops. If you can not fix the over heating problem then try running your CPU at a slower speed to avoid the throttling.

 

I have an i5-2410m

this are my settings for gaming(screen taken while running ts bench)


battery saving


tpl settings changed the first value from 35 and the second from 43. I tried changing it to 40 and 45 respectively but the ts bench result was slower so I assumed that it did badly. Note tho, I don't understand fully what I'm doing.


my options


I have little idea of what i'm doing but I wanna increase gaming performance whilst not frying my cpu. I think 90 degrees is an okay zone. so I'm trying to keep it below that. Did I do this right or not?

 

Thanks, EIST did the trick! Turning off or exiting TS still has no effect, but it's OK like this. I can set the multiplier and exit the program (however strange it is).

My main quest why I arrived at TS is to help with the CPU whine. My computer has a strong CPU whine while on battery. Do you know any possible solution for this? It's a Sandy Bridge 4 core. It seems the whine totally stops if I load all 4 cores, but is very strong if I load only 1 core.

 

The Do Not Reset FID / VID on Exit option controls what ThrottleStop does after you exit. If that box is not checked, it tries to set the CPU to the maximum multiplier and then hands over control of your CPU back to Windows. Some ThrottleStop adjustments may or may not still be active after you exit ThrottleStop.

Most CPU whine problems are related to the low power C States that are being used. If you click on the C1/C3/C6 button, you might be able to adjust this in the C State window that opens up. Unfortunately, many new laptops have locked the ability to adjust these settings in the bios. You can also try disabling C1E.

bogartzin: ThrottleStop is a useful app to stop throttling problems or to overclock some of the Extreme mobile processors. If your CPU does not have a throttling problem then you might not need to run ThrottleStop 24/7. You can use it to create a log file of your CPU's performance if you are not sure but it can not be used to boost your performance beyond the Intel specifications.

The TS Bench should not be used when adjusting TDP/TDC. The default TDP/TDC settings might be adequate for you. The wPrime benchmark is better for adjusting Turbo Boost. I think 60 watts is the Turbo TDP limit for this CPU. ThrottleStop will let you go higher but your CPU will ignore any setting greater than ~60. I will have a look at the docs to confirm this number when I am back at my main computer.